Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby g.sarkar » 12 Jan 2012 00:09

Return of the 400%!
http://www.samachar.com/Pak-Armys-game- ... ehfdi.html
Pak Army's game plan for return of Musharraf
Bharat Verma | 2012-01-11 21:50:48
There is a clear link between Musharraf's announcements to fight elections in 2012 and lead his party, propping up of Imran Khan, and Pakistan Army and the ISI. In a pre-planned move Musharraf has been garnering international support to return as President of Pakistan.
He intends to win the Pakistani elections with the support of Pak Army.
The crowds at Imran Khan rallies are organized by ISI and Pakistan Army.
Imran Khan is possibly made to win next elections with the support of Pakistan Army and the ISI and become the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
This strategy now unfolding in Pakistan shows that Musharraf, Kayani, Imran Khan and the Pakistan Army along with the jihadi factory forces are on the same page......."

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/democ ... 120111.htm
Democracy is Pakistan's destiny; it is safe: Gilani
January 11, 2012 23:00 IST
"Hours after he fired the Defence Secretary over an affidavit row with the Army, Pakistan's beleaguered Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani [ Images ] has said that the top defence official had violated rules of business and had to go.
Earlier in the day, Gilani dismissed Defence Secretary Lt Gen (retd) Khalid Naeem Lodhi, a move that came minutes after the military issued a terse statement responding to Gilani's comments that the Army and ISI chief had acted in an "unconstitutional" manner in filing affidavits on the memo issue without obtaining the Government's prior permission......"
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby hnair » 12 Jan 2012 00:13

pgbhat wrote:
ramana wrote:And TSPA is responding with gradual escalation to show they had no other alternative.

may be this is why unkil is restarting the drone attacks. :-?


bingo! Not just the National Tweety. Other mean Puddy-tats are unleashed too, judging by the sudden spike in boom-e-mubarak.

One really, really wish Khan wont be stupid this time and chicken out. All the previous times, they have screw everyone else (including themselves) in the world except Kiyani and co.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SBajwa » 12 Jan 2012 00:36

Shashi Tharoor is too suave and gentleman to be able to tell his hosts that he is as disgusted to be hosted by pigs as india is disgusted to have such porkies in neighborhood . We need some Haryanvi Jat to put this into their skull.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Sanku » 12 Jan 2012 00:43

SBajwa wrote:Shashi Tharoor is too suave and gentleman


And too busy looking at which side of their bread is buttered and how to get more butter on their breads, however it comes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 12 Jan 2012 01:12

Not sure if this was posted earlier:

The American-Pakistani Cold War?
Christine Fair, January 10, 2012
On September 10, 2001, Pakistan was, for all intents and purposes, a rogue state...

The gruesome crimes of 9/11 changed Pakistan’s fortunes and those of its military dictator, Musharraf...

Those heady days are gone. Pakistan has not been celebrated as a light of moderation or even a reliable partner in the war on terrorism for several years. Now, American analysts and policy makers realize the United States and Pakistan have strategic interests that diverge starkly even while there are some important—albeit retrenching—issues upon which they agree. After ten years of precarious military, intelligence and other security cooperation between Pakistan and the United States, the two countries could not loathe each other more. Worse, as much as they despise each other, they each know that their security depends in varying degrees upon the other.

It has been difficult for the United States to grasp the limits of its national power and accept that it cannot transform Pakistan. For nearly a decade, Washington has used financial allurements and strategic weapons systems to persuade Islamabad to renounce Islamist militancy as a tool of foreign policy. However, none of these inducements has yielded significant dividends. At long last, Washington has concluded that it cannot metamorphose Pakistan or the generals that have variously run and ruined the country. Nor can Washington meaningfully transform Pakistan’s civilian leadership, which has shown consistent preference towards avarice over governance.

First, while the two countries may share some common interests in counternarcotics, maritime security, energy security, global warming, water scarcity, peacekeeping missions and the like, they also clash over Pakistan’s reliance upon Islamist terrorism under its ever-expanding nuclear umbrella. Second, the United States may increasingly target Pakistan’s intelligence operatives and terrorist assets in and beyond the South Asian theater...

Most importantly, by remembering that when the Soviet Union collapsed, the global order did not come under threat due to its nuclear arsenal, the United States and its partners can undercut Pakistan’s most potent strategy for wresting political and financial rents from the international community: nuclear blackmail.

Pakistan continually menaces the international community by appearing to be an out-of-control state chock full of tactical nuclear weapons and ever-expanding fissile material production—and ready to use them as soon as the first Indian sepoy tiptoes across the international border armed with a slingshot.


While one cannot underestimate the possibility of further destabilization in Pakistan, the international community may in fact help incentivize Pakistan to fix its numerous governance problems by embracing the possibility that Pakistan can fail. Then perhaps Pakistan would begin taking the necessary steps to become the sovereign state that Pakistanis and the rest of the world alike want Pakistan to become.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 12 Jan 2012 01:16

Matt Gurney: Pakistan, bin Laden’s willfully blind host, doubts Canada’s honesty
At least ten cargo containers of military equipment being shipped back from the Canadian Forces combat mission in Kandahar has been stolen, CBC News is reporting. When the containers arrived back in Canada, they were found not to contain military equipment, but sand and rocks. Someone broke into the containers, removed the Canadian military hardware inside, and replaced it with dead weight so that no one would get suspicious.

Well, that’s Canada’s version of events, anyway. Pakistan thinks we just made it up.

The cargo containers did not contain munitions or other sensitive gear, according to the military. That was flown directly back to Canada, or has already arrived by sea. But our battle group in Kandahar required an enormous amount of gear just to sustain the daily life of more than 3,000 men and women who made their home in Afghanistan’s dusty fields. While the military has not revealed precisely what equipment was stolen, a Forces spokesman said the containers would have contained such military minutiae “such as tires, tools and tents.” The estimated value of the missing gear has been pegged at $4.3-million.

But what’s really interesting here is Canada’s decision to ship all the important stuff back via airlift. NATO’s overland supply routes into Afghanistan go through Pakistan, which seems to be having a hard time deciding which side of the war on terror its on, so it decides to be on all sides at once. NATO convoys through Pakistan’s northern areas are routinely attacked, and Pakistan’s military, despite heavy losses in the north, has been unwilling or unable to stamp out a stubborn Taliban insurgency. Clearly, the Canadian Forces didn’t believe it was to ship sensitive gear through Pakistan, and rightfully so.

This isn’t something that should surprise anyone, including the Pakistanis. Pakistan never hesitates to tell the world that it isn’t fully in control of the northern regions. That doesn’t mean it welcomes unsought interference (like a few missile-firing drones or a unit of U.S. special forces). It just means it suits the Pakistani government to have some measure of deniability when things go wrong for the West in its northern tribal areas. “Hey, don’t blame us,” they can say. “We can’t control those guys.”

Which is why it’s a bit strange that Pakistan responded so defensively to the news that shipments passing through Pakistani territory have been looted. Pakistan’s High Commission in Ottawa, when questioned by the CBC about the missing gear, responded that the Canadian military’s reports of the missing equipment “sounded like a fabricated story.”

A bit rich coming from the country that bin Laden retired to for the last seven years or so of his life, if not longer, while Pakistan insisted all the while that he certainly wasn’t there, and sure as heck wasn’t living a stone’s throw from an elite Pakistani military academy in a lovely urban area. Except, well, you know. He was.

But it’s also bizarre for another reason. Why not say, “We’re sure Canada’s military will get to the bottom of it.” Or, “It’s possible that someone in our northern territory looted the shipments, but you can’t blame us for that.” Or even, “Can it even be proved that this happened before the shipment left Afghanistan?” Based on the early information so far, no, it can’t. Nothing to implicate Pakistan, yet.

So why not just tell that to the CBC, instead of suggesting that Canada is making it up? Is a battle of honesty really something the Pakistanis think they can win? If anything, their overreaction makes them look guilty. I can’t imagine a country with nuclear weapons and F-16s really needs to pilfer Canadian camping gear and socket wrenches. But they seem to be protesting a bit too much.

Sounds like Canada too is getting the special treatment usually reserved for India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby harbans » 12 Jan 2012 01:28

^ wrt this and other Western reports on Bin Ladens hideout, i wonder why they mention 'just a block away from an elite Military Academy'..yes that is true, but Osama was living in Abottabad Cantonment. It's a military area. Everyone passing through has to show an ID. Much like many cantonment areas in India. They underestimate Paki perfidy in hiding Osama by saying that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KLNMurthy » 12 Jan 2012 01:39

SBajwa wrote:Shashi Tharoor is too suave and gentleman to be able to tell his hosts that he is as disgusted to be hosted by pigs as india is disgusted to have such porkies in neighborhood . We need some Haryanvi Jat to put this into their skull.

Habhajan Singh or Srishant as hi-coms to TSP? :-)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2012 02:09

Hindu assures its readers all is well in TSP

Rumors of coup exaggerated

Hope they (Hindu) are wrong!

To me this is as severe a H&D slap as the Abortabad or the Mehran raid. Its onething for US and hardline fundoos to administer that slap. Can be rationalized as out of doctrine of helplessness against superior and more fundoos. Its another thing for a ten percenti and groper to dismiss the TSPA rep in the cabinet! Has to lead to some showdown.OTH doing nothing right after Beijing visit indicates "na ghar ka na ghatka!" In the piranha world of TSP land it could lead to serious blowback. I mean the loss of face.

Would like more info on the new brigadier posted in isloo. Would have been a Captain/Major in Kargil?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2012 02:24

vikramd wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:The law of unintended but inevitable consequences, anyone? LOL...

From Twitter:
@bibekdebroy: ‘Pakistan involved in printing fake U.S. currency' tinyurl.com/7dho4ap


http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 791252.ece

‘Pakistan involved in printing fake U.S. currency'

For the first time last year, the Mumbai police seized counterfeit American currency, with a face value of to $5 lakh.

“We have been seizing counterfeit Indian currency for years, but for the first time we have come across counterfeit U.S. dollars.

This ties up with the Central agencies' inputs that Pakistan is also involved in printing fake U.S. currency,” Himanshu Roy, Mumbai Joint Commissioner of Police, said in the annual press conference here on Tuesday.



US Secret Service will get involved as its their task to combat counterfeiting.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby VikramS » 12 Jan 2012 02:31

SS, Rman:

What do you make of Unfair's Hot and Cold cycles?

Is she the unofficial State Dept media-piece? Or is it something specific to the individual?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2012 02:47

Anybody watching twitter or FB for any khabar?

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Postby Lalmohan » 12 Jan 2012 02:49

^^^christine is awful quiet...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Agnimitra » 12 Jan 2012 02:55

jrjrao wrote:The American-Pakistani Cold War?
Christine Fair, January 10, 2012
While one cannot underestimate the possibility of further destabilization in Pakistan, the international community may in fact help incentivize Pakistan to fix its numerous governance problems by embracing the possibility that Pakistan can fail. Then perhaps Pakistan would begin taking the necessary steps to become the sovereign state that Pakistanis and the rest of the world alike want Pakistan to become.

What's that supposed to mean, in concrete terms?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby svinayak » 12 Jan 2012 03:13

The American-Pakistani Cold War?
Christine Fair, January 10, 2012

This is a hogwash article to create a false alarm. All the previous partners of Pakistan understand perfectly that they have helped Pakistan and there will be problem no matter what. International community is mentioned to get support for the US when it cannot continue the charade of support(military?) to a dysfunctional state.

Without any war they need many nations to help this troubled state which is continuously in a paranoid alert.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Rudradev » 12 Jan 2012 03:45

VikramS wrote:SS, Rman:

What do you make of Unfair's Hot and Cold cycles?

Is she the unofficial State Dept media-piece? Or is it something specific to the individual?


Not addressed to me but I will try to answer.

C. Fair is NOT a SD spokesperson by any means... except when she is indirectly maneuvered into echoing the SD's intended message on occasion.

A senior SD official has told me that in Foggy Bottom, C. Fair is considered a "Kook" (i.e. a propagator of highly unconventional, and by implication unsound ideas; a person who is so in love with her own controversial opinions that she is incapable of applying rigorous analysis to those opinions.)

Hot and Cold is how it looks to us. To her it's all a crucial part of making her career as an academic. There are three things every academic in this field wants:

1) To draw constant media attention so as to derive publishing success. This is best gained by saying one thing, then saying another... for example, look how we always pay attention to see what C Fair will come up with next! This is how Stephen Cohen used to play the game as well. If C Fair was constantly pushing only one line, she would become a lot less interesting to the public.

2) To appear "impartial"/"objective" in any conflict between two other nations i.e. always appear to put American interests first. This helps her, because if she is seen to be too much/too often on one side, the other side will give up on her eventually. By trashing Pakistan in panel discussions after the Nov 24 airstrike, she appears to be ruthlessly pro-American; this adds to her credibility, hence her market value, when Pakistani lobbyists ask her to write an article saying "we must continue to engage Pakistan" later on.

3) To appear "independent" i.e. not affiliated with any sort of institutional groupthink, whether it is State Dept, Pentagon, Bush-Neocon or Clintonista. This also adds to her market value as it conveys the impression of greater intellectual depth in whatever she says (whether it is actually the product of sound analysis or not.) C Fair carefully cultivates this "maverick" image which helps her draw even more media attention because of her outrageous behaviour, unparliamentary language, scandalous statements and exaggerated rhetoric.

All PR onlee. 20-30 years from now when she is old and withered, we will see her as basically an unscrupulous snake (as we see Stephen Cohen today.)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby brihaspati » 12 Jan 2012 03:54

There is a certain air of uncertainty in US ruling circles now. They seem to be gearing up more for their domestic battles. The attempt at foisting a new "western" candidate, Imran, meant ISI had to move or could see a chance in reasserting in a year the Americans might not decisively move. Its a possible chance taken by ISI handlers on the island.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby brihaspati » 12 Jan 2012 03:57

There is also a very sharp rise in Paki talk on web about 2012/ghazwa. Not talking from impressions, but mining of chatter. The ISI+handlers might actually toy with the idea of testing out something that raises H&D.

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Postby Dipanker » 12 Jan 2012 05:09

This time the Balooch freedom fighters doing their thing:

Attack on FC vehicles kills 14 officials in Turbat

KARACHI: A bomb attack on Frontier Corps (FC) vehicles late on Wednesday killed 14 frontier officials in Turbat, DawnNews reported.

The attack in Balida arear of Turbat killed 14 and several officials got injured. Injured were taken to a nearby hospital immediately after the incident.

Two FC vehicles were completely destroyed in the attack.

Security officials and attackers shot fire at each other after the blast.

Baloch Liberation Front (BLF) has accepeted the responsibility of the attack.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby svinayak » 12 Jan 2012 05:36

brihaspati wrote:There is also a very sharp rise in Paki talk on web about 2012/ghazwa. Not talking from impressions, but mining of chatter. The ISI+handlers might actually toy with the idea of testing out something that raises H&D.

There is period of calamities from March to May. They can take advantage of this period

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kanishka » 12 Jan 2012 05:36

The use of the courts to remove ZH and visit to China by Kia Nahi, the possible immediate return of Musharraf points to desperation in the Paki army. The question is why?
Is it just a H&D issue or is the PA just plain dumb or is there a more sinister motive behind and what will the implications be for India?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 12 Jan 2012 06:16

SBajwa wrote:Shashi Tharoor is too suave and gentleman to be able to tell his hosts that he is as disgusted to be hosted by pigs as india is disgusted to have such porkies in neighborhood . We need some Haryanvi Jat to put this into their skull.



Bajwaji - the exact opposite is also a valid argument. Pakis normally behave like that Haryanvi jat might be expected to speak. I believe some of us are looking for a "mooh tod" verbal jawab in the absence of physical punishment of Pakistan. Every time India has openly accused Pakistan of something, they have done an equal equal back. Like Hindu terrorism. So far there has not been a chirp in response to Tharoor - probably because most Pakis did not understand him. But Tharoor has said things (including a subtle dig at how his views differed from MMS's views) in such a way that it is very difficult to argue and say that he was being insincere or unfairly aggressive. He was saying things while sounding like he wasn't saying them. I found that really funny. It makes a change from the usual rounds where we accuse them and they accuse us back. Or we don't even accuse them subtly like Tharoor and they still accuse us.

I bet Paki responses will come to Tharoor's words in days or weeks when they figure out what he has said and cognitive dissonance sets in. By then they would have lost the chance.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby V_Raman » 12 Jan 2012 06:20

i think there is simply no hostility left to justify any kind of escalation against india. we have totally removed it. it is desperation. china is also saying that india-china are managing the relations well.

up to me, this is unchartered territory...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kenop » 12 Jan 2012 06:20

The question that I ask myself is: If I were to do some mischief, would I prefer to do it undetected?
I tend to answer that with a "yes".
The itch to do some mischief (for whatever public or not-so-public reasons) is deeply ingrained in PA (the only part of Papistan of any consequence). All earlier big events (coups etc and Kargil) had remained undetected till they became public really. Maybe, the PA has run out of options and need to do something in this manner and that is: Put their own people in charge (Imran, Mushy). Coo is poo at the moment. Can't handle it. Khan may not be too keen to bless such a move and need to pay attention to other important stuff like potential Iran operations and withdrawl from Afg (oh btw Nov will be upon them pretty soon).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KLNMurthy » 12 Jan 2012 06:26

brihaspati wrote:There is also a very sharp rise in Paki talk on web about 2012/ghazwa. Not talking from impressions, but mining of chatter. The ISI+handlers might actually toy with the idea of testing out something that raises H&D.

When the Americans leave

Paki writer arguing plausibly that TSPA is setting the stage for acting against India post-US exit from Afghanistan by neutralizing civilian authorities. In the '80s BB supposedly acted against the khalistan ghazwa, so they don't want soft-on-india civilians to interfere this time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SBajwa » 12 Jan 2012 06:50

Dr. Shiv Sir!!

Shashi Tharoor is off course funny for us with his witty and clever answers! In my opinion naPakis have not reacted due to bigger drama going on in their country (Gila-nahi vs Kiya-nahi vs Judges vs Lahori Khan).

Why do I call imran khan a lahori khan is because he is a Lahori (just like rest of Pakjabis) and so was his mother and is as much KHAN from his father side as the other defeated khan Niazi (Imran Khan's tribe is niazi) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._K._Niazi amir abdullah khan niazi who surrendered to Gen. Arora is probably his uncle or something.

Knowing the Pakjabis tribe the correct approach should be to humiliate them at every opportunity!! do not give them a chance!! Tell them on the face that "menage-a-trois with USA and China will only make you more Baigharat!!"

The fight is only between Pakjabis and rest!!! Pashtuns/Sindhis/Balochis/rest vs Pakjabis in napakistan.

BTW.. I recently found out that low pakjabis in Pakistan call beef a "Badda Ghost" i.e. "big meat" what we call in our Punjab (many years ago I recall my grandmother asking me every time I had visited india whether I had eaten "Vadda meat" or not probably wanted to segregate my food from rest of the folks). The interesting thing is that some low pakjabis (who can afford cheapest meat there which is beef) do not eat this on Mondays or Wednesdays. I am guessing this is again leftover from the dharmic days.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 12 Jan 2012 06:57

Regarding the imminent danger of a Pakistani terrorist or other attack on Indian soil theer are two separate things tat can be said

1. An attack is possible at any time. There is no question of anyone in India imagining that Pakistanis are getting friendly or that they are in turmoil. The need to maintain vigil is not only continuous, it has been continuous for the past two decades. We never ever get to hear of what attacks have been prevented but we discuss the attacks that took place as failures. Fact is that if you find a cockroach in your house it doe not mean that you have dropped your vigil and allow cockroaches. it means that cockroaches have got in despite your vigil. Attacks can happen. The fact that attacks on India can and will happen is inevitable and has little connection with what is likely to happen or not happen.

2. So what is likely?

The Pakistan army has used the LeT for attacks on India. Even if you look back at BRF archives if available from say 2002 to 2004 period the US has been wishy washy about declaring the LeT as a terorist group. The US farts a lot of hot air declaring some states as terrorist sponsors, but it has treated Pakistan with kid gloves because the US invested too much in Pakistan and the Pakis were too useful to the US as mercenaries. Some terrorism against India was not going to make them drop their ally. Having said that, the one big change now is that the LeT has been reluctantly acknowledged by a Victoria's secret panty-shivering USA as a terrorist group. So if Kiyani conducts any attack against India and the LeT gets implicated, the US will also have to decide whether they were bullshitting while referring to LeT as Paki army allies and terrorists. The Paki army realises this, and as B Raman has noted, they have kept the LeT out of making trouble for India - probably temporarily., worrying that the US will be more upset and delay payments by days rather than milliseconds.

That is why it has been more convenient for the Paki army to try and make trouble for India using "Indian Mujahiddeen" using recruits from Dubai and Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh as conduit.

If I was Kiyani, I would try and attack India using Indian Mujahideen via Bangladesh and as soon as the attack occurs I would follow up on my statement that "Pakistan will ready its forces for war against india if a terrorist attack occurs on India because both India and the US have told us that India will have the right to attack Pakistan in retaliation"

So a massive terrorist attack on India which the Paki army and LeT can deny could help the Pakis army take power in Pakistan and move forces out of FATA/Waziristan to the Indian border. It could be win win for the Paki army at least in a temporary tactical sense.

What can India do?

a. Maintain vigil. Follow up all intel leads. Keep listening. Warn the US of these concerns and ask for any intel they get.
b. India can appear very friendly and open to Pakistan suggesting that we have started trusting Pakistan as a brother. This would play to the "Aman ki Asha' community in Pakistan who are looking for peace and trade. Now if a terror attack occurs on India and the army takes over, the internal rift in Pakistan is widened as the army will be seen as blaming an India that is oh so friendly. This wil not have any immediate impact - but in the long term the internal rift will be useful to exploit as we are doing now.
c. India will have to hope that the USA has a thimble-full of grey matter to recognise the Paki army's game plan and stop funding and giving cover to the Paki army as they have traditionally done. But the US has always been too weak to oppose Pakistan and may in fact be weaker now. But a weak USA in the long term will definitely make Pakistan weaker - so maybe that is a good thing. But India wil have to suffer more before that happens.

Just my anal-ysis

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 12 Jan 2012 07:11

Sanku wrote:
Acharya wrote:They may show dumbness but do not underestimate their larger goals.

Truly wise words.


In last few years they have been trying to prove that Pakistan was not made in the name of Islam. Kookar Djinna traced the the foundations of Pakistan back to the genetic infussion by MB Qasim. Like Qurbani ke Bakre, they are aware of impending doom but hope to avoid the same for Pakistaniat Islamiat.
Poaqslam se baaghe phirte ho,Jannat tum phir kaise jao gey
Jahannum see life iss duniya mei,Waanha bhi jahhanum Pao gey .
Tum Munnah yaha kehlato ho,
Ashna wanha bunn jao Gey.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby arun » 12 Jan 2012 07:59

Citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammed Fahim jailed in Bradford for molesting little boys:

Barkerend man jailed for touching three boys on Thorpe Edge site

6:00am Wednesday 11th January 2012 in Bradford

A teacher who sexually molested three young boys playing in dens on a Bradford estate has been jailed for 16 months and will be removed out of the country.

Pakistani Mohammed Fahim, tried to tempt the boys, aged eight, nine and ten, with bananas and bank notes before kissing them and squeezing their bottoms, Bradford Crown Court heard yesterday.

Fahim, 33, of Maudsley Street, Barkerend, Bradford, who was head of department at a school in his homeland, was in the UK to further his education and career.

He was working as a security guard on a building site in the city’s Thorpe Edge area before starting a course at Manchester University.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 12 Jan 2012 08:15

Dilbu wrote:PTI will not support any unconstitutional step by army: Imran Khan
PTI would never accept any undemocratic and unconstitutional step by the army to remove the government.

The Pakistanis are a confused lot. They never got out of the great confusion created in the first place by the 'Two Nation' theory and then all the fabricated history and culture to sustain the false theory and the hatred for the cunning Hindus.

On the one hand, the Pakistanis speak of their longing for democracy. But, their patience in trying out democracy is so ephemeral that very quickly they plead with their Army to take over. All the politicians have done the same thing too whenever they were in the opposition, running to the Army to depose the then ruling dispensation. Nobody is an exception to this, not even Benazir Bhutto. But, they also speak of their great love for democracy at the same time. The Army, for its part, either directly assumes power or picks up a party from the set of opposition parties and ensures its installation in power.

The whole nation exhibits this 'tactical stupidity' and even greater 'strategic stupidity' too.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 12 Jan 2012 08:17

arun wrote:Citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammed Fahim jailed in Bradford for molesting little boys:

Barkerend man jailed for touching three boys on Thorpe Edge site

6:00am Wednesday 11th January 2012 in Bradford

A teacher who sexually molested three young boys playing in dens on a Bradford estate has been jailed for 16 months and will be removed out of the country.

Pakistani Mohammed Fahim, tried to tempt the boys, aged eight, nine and ten, with bananas and bank notes before kissing them and squeezing their bottoms, Bradford Crown Court heard yesterday.
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Pakistani? Not Asian? Not South Asian?

What is the world coming to?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Rangudu » 12 Jan 2012 08:33

SBajwa wrote:Why do I call imran khan a lahori khan is because he is a Lahori (just like rest of Pakjabis) and so was his mother and is as much KHAN from his father side as the other defeated khan Niazi (Imran Khan's tribe is niazi) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._K._Niazi amir abdullah khan niazi who surrendered to Gen. Arora is probably his uncle or something.


I thought Imran Khan is a Jalandhari Pathan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 12 Jan 2012 08:40

Dilbu wrote:PTI will not support any unconstitutional step by army: Imran Khan
LAHORE: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan said that even though his party and the people of Pakistan want to get rid of the present government, PTI would never accept any undemocratic and unconstitutional step by the army to remove the government.
Talking to the media at his residence, Khan said that the present confrontation between the institutions was unfortunate but the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) pushed itself into it, so that they can get sympathy votes in the upcoming elections.


He wants to wait for some more time. PTI is gaining momentum and will be stronger in a year. If snap polls are held now, he wont gain much and all the turncoats will leave him, not wanting to wait for many years for the polls.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby VikramS » 12 Jan 2012 08:47

RD:
Thx. I remember the Kook explanation. It is just that her message seems to be very much in synch in what the SD would like to say in order to squeeze some TSPA b*lls, or pat them on the back.

brihaspatiji:
Could you elaborate about the chatter?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 12 Jan 2012 08:56

From what I gather, take it with a bucket of salt.

Army probably will not motor into the President's house. They dont want to run a f'ed up economy. More importantly, they dont have the support of the people (remember that people danced on the streets when Mushy did his coup). Army wants a regime change, preferably before Kayani retires. They dont want a senate election under this dispensation, PPP will win a majority. So they will use the Judiciary to weaken the government. They will also try and split the PPP (which didnt happen because the wily Zardari kicked out SMQ as soon as he wised up what SMQ was upto).

Mansoor Ijaz is coming to testify. Court is going to rule on the NRO. If the executive does not comply, the court can order an interim government made of opposition parties to organize an election. So, the main action is going to be through the Judiciary. That is if Gilani/Zardari do not move first and sack Kayani/Pasha. In which case, things might turn out to be different.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SBajwa » 12 Jan 2012 08:57

Yusufzai, afridi, niazi,etc are the same old idiotic pathans who can only bark but cannot bite due to pyrohia. All we need is to know that pathans are 'cowards' who get orgasms when somebody tells them that they are brave but opposite is true. Majority of pathans are cowards who have done zero to protect basic humanity and have been responsible for majority of ills in indian sub continent they are responsible for majority of innocent deaths in last 40 years in Indian subcontinent.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 12 Jan 2012 09:04

http://tribune.com.pk/story/320235/bahrain-puts-pakistani-policemen-on-trial-for-using-excessive-force
Bahrain puts Pakistani policemen on trial for using 'excessive force'

A Bahraini court on Wednesday began the trial of five Pakistani policemen accused of torturing to death, and concealing information about it two Shia men who had been detained in wake of the mid-March crackdown on pro-democracy protests, a lawyer said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 12 Jan 2012 09:07

Dekho Mere Oothe Haath
No assurance sought or given on coup, says Pentagon
WASHINGTON: The Pentagon said on Wednesday the US military chief Gen Martin Dempsey had telephoned Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani but the United States neither sought nor received any assurance from the Pakistani military that it would not stage a coup.At a Pentagon briefing, US defence officials also said a conflict between civilian and military establishments would not necessarily affect Pakistan`s ties with the United States.`Have you sought or received any assurances from the Pakistani military or Pakistani military leaders that they are not interested in staging a coup?` asked a journalist during a regular briefing at the Pentagon.`Fm not aware that we`ve sought any assurances, and I don`t think we`re aware that we`ve been given any,` said Navy Captain John Kirby, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for media operations.`This is a matter for Pakistani officials and government leaders there, military and civilian, to work out,` he added.When another journalist sought comments on Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani`s decision to sack the defence secretary, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said: `I wouldn`t comment on what`s happening inside the Pakistani political system with respect to jobs that are being left or taken.Have there been any calls related to the latest developments there in Pakistan? And how concerned are you about the stability of the military structure there?` asked another journalist.`My understanding is that Gen Dempsey has been in contact with Gen Kayani. It was a productive and professional conversation. I`m not going to get into the details.But that call has taken place … a call that happened recently,` Mr Little said. `The important thing with Pakistan is for us to continue that dialogue at all levels, he added

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Altair » 12 Jan 2012 09:08

A Kashmiri Muslim works in my office. Very smart guy in technical matters but a n00b in managing people or social skills. He used to have a smirk on his face when Pakistan team won any matches against any team. He used to follow Pakistan politics and cricket religiously. This was in 2005.
Now, having worked in Hyderabad for past 6 years he has changed into total anti-Pak. He curses them with all motherly and sisterly adjectives for ruining his childhood and responsible for many deaths. He loves Team Anna and is very serious about the cause. I had nothing to do with his transformation
The point I am trying to make is people are not blind and deaf in a democratic society. Even people who loved and ready to die for Pakistan have showed the "finger" to Pakistan and its Army. Pakistani Army probably knows this and hence takes power every now and then to prevent "Abdul Paki" in realizing the TRUTH.
Coup is inevitable and if Paki Army does not take power now, PA as the dominant force in Pakistan will cease.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2012 09:09

They are all Ghilzai Pathans. Unlike the Persian pasand Durranis.

Wonder is ZeeGee (New acronym for Duspercenti and Groper decided to launch the Pakistani spring and dismissed the Def Secy guy!

That US statement will be mispercevied as a go ahead by the khakis.


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