Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54682
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 08 Jan 2012 22:12

Agree with Ashok. The Pakjab martial race is a figment of imagination. The Pakjabi knows how to submit to superior force. Pakjabi strategy is like the Telugu saying:
"Kallu kesthe, meda kesthe!"

"Either fall at feet or strangle your throat!"

I will leave it to harbans, parsuram, and surinder et al to explain.

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 08 Jan 2012 22:14

Ashok Gottipati wrote:But India got the proub of Punjabi Martiality the Sikhs.Sardars are anything but thinking from the loins type they are a very pragmatiic bunch.May be the pakjabis want to emulate the Sikhs in martiality but it became a case of a fox trying to emulate a Tiger


Sikhs did not develop a blindly martial character as a core religious tenet. It is a religion that enshrined dharma. But the militarism came as a response to Islamic attacks on the last Sikh Guru. After that Sikhs have kept things marvellously in order in that department :D Sikhs certainly make better businessmen.

Pakjabis are different ball game. They were egged on into believing they were martial races by the Brits who laughed all the way to the victory podium.

member_22286
BRFite
Posts: 812
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_22286 » 08 Jan 2012 22:15

Andukunte juttu lekha pothe kallu another thing about Pakjabis and Sikhs "Pulini chusi nakka vatalu pettukundi"

svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby svinayak » 08 Jan 2012 22:51

Rangudu wrote:Has anyone posted this article on Pakjabi caste make up and how that links to the "thinking from the loin" attitudes?

My hypothesis is that the division of the Punjabi nation in 1947 produced a Pakistani Punjab that was heavily weighted in favour of the martial castes. The trading castes, which tend to be more pragmatic and balance society’s extremism mostly left to come to India. This has produced the imbalance which explains Pakistan’s fondness for a state dominated by soldiers

The author is talking about sociology of the sub continent which had social order based on certain dharma and code of behavior. This was the balance in the entire region. The Islamic rule for many regions in the north broke down this stability in the society and military was used to bring order to the civil society.

In Pakistan this social order and stability which was present in 1947 has eroded progressiviely over the last 50 years and has reached a dangerous unstability where the social order can only be enforced by a military deployment. The NWFP has seen complete breakdown of the order.


The sense of community and order has been replaced by terror and fear. Hence visitors to Pakistan talk about calm outside in the streets of the cities and not much social acitivities which are confined to the four walls.


The trading castes, which tend to be more pragmatic and balance society’s extremism mostly left to come to India.
The author has lost the sense of the society and the social order of the sub continent. Pak society has become distorted and they are losing the centuries old social norms and stability.

Gen Pervez Kayani runs the state’s foreign policy, security policy and most of its economic policy because the majority of Punjabis are comfortable with the idea of a warrior being in charge.
They are terrified and dont have any sense of security with civilian leaders. Civilian leaders are seen as weak in front of fauji. Fauji gives them a sense of stability but show distortion in the country. This is not exactly like the sultan of the middle east tribal society where there is tribal loyalty.
Last edited by svinayak on 08 Jan 2012 23:04, edited 2 times in total.

anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8286
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anupmisra » 08 Jan 2012 22:57

ashish raval wrote:^^ guess time to take lie detector test. Lol


Pakis are past masters at passing the lie detector tests. Generations of experience has mutated that gene pool. Throw in religion and you now have an elite Taqqiya master class of paki "western-educated english-speaking liberals" who can fool the best.

anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8286
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anupmisra » 08 Jan 2012 23:03

SSridhar wrote:Gen. Kayani excused himself from the event. He decided to send a replacement who also could not attend for some other reason. These are not to be taken lightly because Dai is an important cog in the defence relationship between the two nations, he is young and rising in the CPC and will serve in more important positions in the future.


That's why I think that this five day visit to Peking Headquarters is more of a summons than anything else.

anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8286
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anupmisra » 08 Jan 2012 23:22

pankajs wrote:Let me take this scenario further. If PA believes that India is poised to attack, what prevents them from launching a peremptive strike. They will have the advantage of surprise.


But not the advantage of numbers. (I am assuming you mean Pakjab as the theater of war). This will leave their flanks (Kashmir and Sindh) wide open and the rear (NWFP/balochistan) completely exposed to a leap frog counter attack. Besides, they tried this pre-emptive thingy before (1948, 1965, 1971, Kargil) with disastrous results. No, the pakis are clever about this sort of thing. My guess is that they will make the right noises for public consumption, and try and bait India into making the first move.

jamwal
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5146
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 21:28
Location: Somewhere Else
Contact:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jamwal » 08 Jan 2012 23:29

Well, don't shoot me for asking but what was the last news regarding identity of "militants" who burnt Paki "onions" ? It's been a real long time

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2585
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby g.sarkar » 08 Jan 2012 23:46

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 3085.story
"Militants execute 15 Pakistani troops
The deaths of the men, who were abducted in December, deals a blow to the prospect of peace talks between Islamabad and insurgents.
By Alex Rodriguez and Zulfiqar Ali, Los Angeles Times
January 6, 2012
Reporting from Islamabad and Peshawar, Pakistan—
Islamist militants on Thursday claimed responsibility for killing 15 Pakistani paramilitary troops this week, dealing a serious setback to the prospect of peace talks between Islamabad and the country's homegrown insurgency.
The bodies of the men, abducted in December from a fort near the Afghan border, were found in the village of Shewa in North Waziristan, a tribal region that serves as a stronghold for several Pakistani and Afghan insurgent groups, local officials said. The victims were members of the Frontier Constabulary, which patrols the volatile tribal districts along the border.
Twenty-two paramilitary members were seized by gunmen Dec. 22; one other was killed at the time, and seven later escaped.
The Pakistani Taliban said the executions this week were in retaliation for a military operation in the Khyber tribal region Jan. 1 in which 12 Taliban militants died. Among them was Qari Kamran, a commander who headed the insurgent group's operations in the northwestern city of Nowshera.
The Taliban said Pakistani soldiers also detained women and children, members of militants' families, in Khyber. "Both sharia [Islamic law] and local traditions do not permit the killing of mujahedin fighters and the arrests of women and children," the Taliban said in a statement released in North Waziristan......."
Gautam

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2585
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby g.sarkar » 08 Jan 2012 23:57

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/world ... wanted=all
Lull in Strikes by U.S. Drones Aids Militants in Pakistan
By ERIC SCHMITT
Published: January 7, 2012
"WASHINGTON — A nearly two-month lull in American drone strikes in Pakistan has helped embolden Al Qaeda and several Pakistani militant factions to regroup, increase attacks against Pakistani security forces and threaten intensified strikes against allied forces in Afghanistan, American and Pakistani officials say.
The insurgents are increasingly taking advantage of tensions raised by an American airstrike in November that killed two dozen Pakistani soldiers in two border outposts, plunging relations between the countries to new depths. The Central Intelligence Agency, hoping to avoid making matters worse while Pakistan completes a wide-ranging review of its security relationship with the United States, has not conducted a drone strike since mid-November.
Diplomats and intelligence analysts say the pause in C.I.A. missile strikes — the longest in Pakistan in more than three years — is offering for now greater freedom of movement to an insurgency that had been splintered by in-fighting and battered by American drone attacks in recent months. Several feuding factions said last week that they were patching up their differences, at least temporarily, to improve their image after a series of kidnappings and, by some accounts, to focus on fighting Americans in Afghanistan.
Other militant groups continue attacking Pakistani forces. Just last week, Taliban insurgents killed 15 security soldiers who had been kidnapped in retaliation for the death of a militant commander.
The spike in violence in the tribal areas — up nearly 10 percent in 2011 from the previous year, according to a new independent report — comes amid reports of negotiations between Pakistan’s government and some local Taliban factions, although the military denies that such talks are taking place.
A logistics operative with the Haqqani terrorist group, which uses sanctuaries in Pakistan to carry out attacks on allied troops in Afghanistan, said militants could still hear drones flying surveillance missions, day and night. “There are still drones, but there is no fear anymore,” he said in a telephone interview. The logistics operative said fighters now felt safer to roam more freely.
Over all, drone strikes in Pakistan dropped to 64 last year, compared with 117 strikes in 2010, according to The Long War Journal, a Web site that monitors the attacks. Analysts attribute the decrease to a dwindling number of senior Qaeda leaders and a pause in strikes last year after the arrest in January of Raymond Davis, a C.I.A. security contractor who killed two Pakistanis; the Navy Seal raid in May that killed Osama bin Laden; and the American airstrike on Nov. 26......."
Gautam

Brad Goodman
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2382
Joined: 01 Apr 2010 17:00

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Brad Goodman » 09 Jan 2012 01:05

how neo liberals want us to beleive pakis are striving for moderation

Pakistan wants halt to Arab 'religious colonialism'

CHANDIGARH: A section of Pakistanis have raised their voice against Arab colonialism (imposing Wahhabi Islam over Sufi Islam) amidst attacks on Sufi shrines in Pakistan.

"Saudi Arabia which is undemocratic, is exporting Wahhabi Islam to Pakistan where Sufis have been traditionally popular," Sayeeda Diep from the Lahore-based Institute for Peace and Secular studies, told The Times of India.

"An undemocratic Saudi Arabia is funding Wahhabis to crush democratic aspirations in entire world including in Pakistan apparently to let rulers continue their dynastic rule in Saudi Arabia," she said during her visit to India. Petro dollars are being pumped world over to promote this school of Islam projecting it closer to the original form.

"The people of Pakistan need to fight both American as well Arab colonialism," she said.

Both India and Pakistan have seen Sufism grow over a millennium and recent attacks have only been on such shrines in Pakistan. The Taliban and extreme forces in Pakistan are getting support and funds from Wahhabis. Wahhabis do not approve of shrines and saints which are sources of inspiration for Sufis who are known for mysticism. Wahhabi movement emerged in the 18th century.

So popular is Sufism in Pakistan that even Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is a descendent of a Sufi from Multan. Ajmer Sharief, Nizamuddin Aulia and scores of saints, pirs have been worshipped in India.

Such intolerant are Wahhabis in Pakistan that two theologians Javed Ahmed Shamdi and Maulana Tahir-Ul-Quadri had to look for a secure place after they criticized extremists. The latter, in fact, fled to Canada after issuing a fatwa against the killings of innocents.

"There is no space for theological debate like the one that has already started in India," she said.

Diep had to be hospitalized after the killing of Punjab governor Salman Tasir who was fighting against blasphemy law. Her tears just did not stop for three days and she went into depression feeling there is no hope in Pakistan for secular beliefs. Diep was jailed four times for fighting the government on regressive steps. One of her campaigns was asking for registration of cases against the Mullah who issued an edict against those who attended funeral of Salman Tasir shot by his security guard. When she started, only four persons attended her candle light protest against Mullahs. Now, the number has gone up to 70 persons.


Kiddin me. 70 people attended this retarded mohatarma's protest out of a population of 180 million and TOI thinks its a movement. I mean I can assemble more abduls if I just put a TV on street streaming a cricket match. Allah help me if I switch to FTv or other paki interests and we are being asked to beleive this is start of moderation. :mrgreen:

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2585
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby g.sarkar » 09 Jan 2012 01:55

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 03998.html
In Pakistan, a news media minefield
In the most dangerous place on Earth to be a journalist, the media's problems are reflections of the state's incapacity.
"In 2011, Pakistan was, for the second year running, the most dangerous place in the world to be a journalist. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), seven journalists were killed in the country as a direct result of their profession - most of those were killed in targeted attacks (rather than indiscriminate bomb blasts) for having reported on particular topics.
A further four were also killed, though the US-based media rights watchdog was not able to establish a confirmed link between the victim’s reporting and their deaths, bringing the total death toll up to 11 (a number similar to that cited by the media rights group Reporters Without Borders).
To put those numbers in perspective, consider this: in each of Iraq and Libya (both active war zones during the past year), five journalists were killed in 2011, while in Afghanistan (another active war zone) and largely lawless Somalia, the death toll was two in each.
The deaths of Pakistani journalists, however, are a marker of a complex news media landscape, where reporters say that while the media is technically free, they constantly operate in grey areas, self-censoring themselves in many cases. Further, an analysis of the intricate, nuanced reality of news reporting in Pakistan reveals a landscape shaped by the strong strands of nationalism and conservatism that run through the country, as well as the economics of what has become, with the liberalisation of media ownership laws, a multi-billion dollar industry in the past ten years.
In terms of lethal dangers, too, the question of what constitutes a "risky" topic is complex. According to journalists, editors and media watchdog organisations that Al Jazeera has spoken to, the answer to the question of where dangers emanate from is quite simply: everywhere.
"There was a time when the red line used to be anything to do with the army," says Mohammad Malick, the Islamabad editor for The News, one of the country’s largest English daily newspapers. "Even if you [talked] about national security, it was taken to be akin to questioning the army's patriotism. [But] I think now instead of removing the red lines, everybody has added their own. If you write about the MQM's [a Sindh-based political party] alleged criminal activities, you're accused of being ethnically motivated. If you write about any other [similar] topic, again you are either accused of being parochial, you're accused of fanning provincialism. So everybody is hiding behind some ethnic blanket, some cultural barrier."
Bob Dietz, the CPJ’s Asia Programme Co-ordinator, agrees with that assessment.
"[The media in Pakistan is] free and vibrant, but let me qualify that with saying that they are under tremendous amounts of pressure from all sides," he told Al Jazeera. "There's been a lot of emphasis on intelligence services attacking journalists, but the fact, if you look at the journalists slain in the last few years, is that the ISI is only one of the actors that is putting pressure on journalists, threatening them and responsible for their deaths as well."
Dietz says journalists in Pakistan are under threat from everyone from political parties, religious groups, gun runners, drug dealers and secessionist movements (particularly in the restive province of Balochistan).
"Over here, because of the rampant corruption and absolute lawlessness, when you write a story against somebody, it is not a story against minister so-and-so. He takes it as a personal thing, that you have attacked his personal fortunes, you have attacked his way of life ... everything becomes personal here," says Malick.
Just last week, Najam Sethi, a senior journalist and news talk show host, revealed that he and his family had received several threats "from state and non-state actors". Hamid Mir, possibly the country’s most well-known news talk show host, made similar revelations a few days earlier.
But it is not just high-profile journalists who are in the line of fire: last month, the producers of a television news segment on how young boys were being held captive in a Karachi madrassah appealed to the authorities for protection after revealing that they had been receiving serious and credible death threats after their story went on the air......"
Gautam

Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2012 05:36

Musharraf to reach Karachi between Jan 27 to 30
Khamba Pukare, Aa Re Aa Re Aa Re
All Bakistan Muslim League (ABML) President and former president General (Retard) Pervez Musharraf Sunday announced that he would contest election from Chhitral. Addressing a public gathering near Mazar-e-Quaid via telephone from Dubai, Musharraf said he will reach Karachi between January 27th and 30th. Former president said he had support from all ethnic groups of Pakistan and he was in favour of a separate Hazara province. Musharraf further said in his innings he had scored a century adding that he should not be compared to those who scored a duck or those who were yet to play an innings. “I ran Pakistan successfully for ten years, and took the country out of the story steering it towards prosperity.”

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54682
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 09 Jan 2012 06:50

So its after Indian Republic Day and before Gandhi Jayanti?

Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2012 07:21

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\09\story_9-1-2012_pg3_6
Half Muslim, half...? —Yasser Latif Hamdani
This has been coupled with a steady decline in almost every profession and walk of life and in particular the Pakistani armed forces. You are unlikely to find a soldier of Nur Khan’s calibre in the military today because we have ceased to produce gentlemen officers and are now producing angry young men, who have a worldview defined by the same self-deceiving logic that now threatens Pakistan with isolation. I have seen the manufacturing of this mindset from close quarters as a student, briefly, at the much celebrated PAF College Sargodha. Our Islamiyat teacher was more interested in bashing those damned Christians, Jews and ‘Qadianis’ [Ahmedis] than teaching us anything about Islam per se or at least that is what I got out of his lectures. Our Pakistan Studies teacher had two favourite targets, i.e. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and the Ahmedis. The irony that the Ahmedis were declared non-Muslim by Bhutto was entirely lost on him. Seventeen years later when I meet some of my former classmates, I am astounded by their fanaticism, ignorance and lack of exposure. Almost all of them are serving officers of the Pakistan Air Force. A pity! For PAF College Sargodha, founded as RPAF Public School in the 1950s, once was the foremost academy to groom young men into officers and gentlemen, patriots and scholars. Post-colonialism has not been kind to our armed forces. In our zeal to replace the pakka sahib army-wallahs with the homespun generals and warriors, we have created a semi-literate and semi-professional force. Where they lead us now is something only time will tell.

( if true, war is half won one already. They are not professional soldiers but fanatics like Qasab and Qadri. Soon they will start internal cleaning process to eliminate the Munafkin/half muslim )

SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 24100
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2012 07:44


This is a big mistake by the US. Whether it was Pakistan which persuaded the US to stop drone strikes after the Salala incident or the US felt that it must stop attacks while having talks with the Taliban in Qatar, the US would come to regret this mistake. For its part, Pakistan has used this opportunity to increase its access with the 'good Taliban' under the guise of 'peace talks' with them. The Pakistani operatives were finding it difficult to communicate with the 'good Taliban' earlier because of the drones. That was another unintended effect of the drones which now stands nullified. Our Afghan mission also needs to be careful now. Rather than targeting US interests, Taliban may choose to attack Indian interests now that Pakistan is once again establishing close contacts openly with them.

Satya_anveshi
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3532
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 02:37

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Satya_anveshi » 09 Jan 2012 08:56

Taliban negotiations in Qatar news is also of interest because the more countries play these type of roles, the more they jump in recognizing the legitimacy of Taliban govt (even in exile) and more overtly when they consolidate and claim power.

This puts Indian and Afghan govts under extreme pressure. Totally convenient for Pukis.

Last time around only KSA,UAE, and Pukistan recognized Taliban govt with Turkmenistan willing to go further. US too found it appropriate to organize Taliban leaders business tours propogating their views in the US.

This time, US may be trying to bring in more players and if so, Karzai will go Nazibulla way very soon and we will be back to the 90s.

There has been no response to the Rabbani murder and the Kabul bombing that claimed over 80+ lives.

The silence is pukistan is deafening and this must stop. :twisted:

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20882
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Philip » 09 Jan 2012 08:59

Jhujar,I made an observation a couple of years ago on the number of "beardies" that one now sees in the Paki armed forces,making them look like Talibanists in uniform! Fanaticism of the most extreme extent cannot replace hard professional training and it is well and good that the Paki forces have deteriorated ,if the author of that report says so.
Here is a report on the Agosta sub scandal,murder of French technicians by the Pakis and the continuing reverberations in France.The author,a Kashmiri zealot,goes on to condemn India in the rest of the report.I've posted the bit pertaining to Pak.

http://kashmirwatch.com/opinions.php/20 ... ption.html

French Scandal Exposes Global Corruption
Date: 8 Jan 2012

French Scandal Exposes Global Corruption
By Zaheerul Hassan

According to a 2004 study by the World Bank Institute, $1 trillion is paid every year in bribes worldwide. Though, many countries evolved various rules to carry out the accountability of politicians, bureaucrats and military officials for blocking of bribe, but unfortunately the upward trend of getting illegal benefits have been noticed by the International Transparency Organization. In this regard former French President Sarkozy case of “$900 million deal of Agosta Submarines with Pakistan in 1994” almost emerged as hallmark of global corruption. The French Investigating Authorities probed the said deal and proved that Sarkozy when he was a budget minister has signed the Agosta deal in 1994. Alleges stated that under the terms of the said deal, Pakistani officials would receive 338 million francs as a commission, while another 216 million would be added to the price of the contract and returned to Balladur’s campaign account as kickbacks.

Even Former President Nicolas Sarkozy has been implicated in an investigation into the circumstances behind a 2002 bomb attack in Karachi that killed 11 French people. Families of the victims have said Sarkozy should be summoned for questioning in the probe, which aims to clarify whether the attack was a reprisal against France for a decision to stop paying commissions on Agosta submarine sales to Pakistan or otherwise.

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6997
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2012 09:50

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/09/mehran-base-left-unprotected-despite-forewarning.html
A naval officer, who was court martialled, has been sentenced to 15-year imprisonment for planning a series of attacks on important naval installations and the National Defence University (NDU) and taking hostages.

member_22286
BRFite
Posts: 812
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_22286 » 09 Jan 2012 10:02

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/09/mehran-base-left-unprotected-despite-forewarning.html
A naval officer, who was court martialled, has been sentenced to 15-year imprisonment for planning a series of attacks on important naval installations and the National Defence University (NDU) and taking hostages.


So ghazis have infiltrated into the Officer ranks.Any idea of this guys rank

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 11:10

CIA likely to resume drone strikes
ISLAMABAD: America’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is likely to resume the drone campaign that it had apparently called off following a deadly Nato airstrike on Pakistani border posts in the Mohmand tribal region on November 26, 2011. However, this time around, the frequency and intensity of attacks by pilot-less aircraft would not be as high as it was in the past.

Sources told The Express Tribune on Sunday that both sides have almost agreed on ‘fresh terms of engagements’ to resume drone attacks against suspected al Qaeda members and their local facilitators hiding in the tribal areas, including North and South Waziristan.

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6997
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2012 11:11

Some monday morning Paki-style comedy:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/318741/the-name-jew-lands-christian-in-trouble/

A man wrote that his name was ‘Jew Jurian’ on his national identity card form. The data entry clerk then assumed he was a Jew. he was accused of being a Jew – and subsequently, through the twisted logic of twisted souls, of blasphemy
.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 11:14

‘Brotherly’ countries turn down Bakistan’s request
ISLAMABAD:

All rhetoric of brotherhood notwithstanding, two ‘friendly’ Arab countries have refused to supply oil to Pakistan on long-term credit.

Plagued by circular debt, and faced with high international oil prices, Pakistan had requested Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to extend their credit term for oil payments.
Saudi authorities also said that oil export is a commercial business for them and they would offer Pakistan the same terms that are offered to other countries, sources added.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 11:37

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/09/haqqani-to-escape-punishment-even-if-link-with-memo-proved.html
ISLAMABAD: Zahid Hussain Bukhari, the counsel for Husain Haqqani, has said that even if any link between his client and the controversial memo is established the former ambassador to the US will not be punished.

In an interview with DawnNews, Mr Bukhari however denied any link between Mr Haqqani and the memo, adding that the controversy had been created by Mansoor Ijaz, described as the main character in the episode.

“But I say even if the link is proved — there is still no crime in it,” Mr Bukhari said. “We will then have to ask Mr Shahbaz Sharif and Mr Nawaz Sharif as to what did they say when Gen Musharraf was toppling the PML-N government.”

Talking to Matiullah Jan of DawnNews TV, Mr Bukhari remarked: “We will ask whom did he ask for help at that time and it has to be noted who has not asked for help from the US in our history.”

Sources said that Nawaz Sharif was expected to appear on Monday before the judicial commission investigating the case.

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6997
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2012 11:39

The bench passed an order to give Masoor Ijaz a visa immediately. An ahmedi is now going to travel to Pakistan. This should be interesting.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 11:44

Anujan wrote:The bench passed an order to give Masoor Ijaz a visa immediately. An ahmedi is now going to travel to Pakistan. This should be interesting.

A kaffirs word against a pious. Is that permissible?

SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 24100
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2012 12:14

Ashok Gottipati wrote:So ghazis have infiltrated into the Officer ranks.

Ashok, from the level of the DG, ISI and Corps Commanders down to the level (at least) of Major, several PA officers have been jihadi Isamists. Some were 'bad jihadi Islamists' because they attacked their very institution (like the 'bad Taliban'), Others have been 'good' because they collaborated with the PA-approved jihadi groups to attack India, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Iran. The PAF has similar infiltration (many PAF officers have been caught since 2002 for similar offences, especially in the assassination attempts on Musharraf). Nothing surprising at all here.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4216
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Jan 2012 12:17

@shiv why not assume that I am being uber-confident (the way you say Tharoor is) and not "demeaning myself?"

You are unwarrantedly presuming that I have some desire to see Tharoor or GoI bark at pakis. I don't. I also have no desire for a quarrel with you. If it pleases you to think I don't get innuendo be my guest. I think it is foolish and vain for the Tharoors to engage pakis to show off their own cleverness. I think it is stupid to spin an ordinarily foolish and in part idiotic and downright false bunch of utterances by Tharoor as some orgasmogenic spasm of cleverness betokening an engorged Indian echandee. You are cheering wildly for a sixer by an Indian batsman in an India-pak Test while I amsimply disgusted that the match is even taking place and wondering at the delirious India-flag waving spectators.
Last edited by KLNMurthy on 09 Jan 2012 13:05, edited 3 times in total.

SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 24100
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2012 12:19

pankajs wrote:
Anujan wrote:The bench passed an order to give Masoor Ijaz a visa immediately. An ahmedi is now going to travel to Pakistan. This should be interesting.

A kaffirs word against a pious. Is that permissible?

Everything, including lying, is permissible in a 'good Muslim cause'. The question is who is a Muslim and what is the 'good cause', questions for which Pakistan is still struggling to find an answer since 1956. Wahhabi/Deobandi/Salafi/Takfiris are strenuously trying to bring some clarity lately.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 12:33

SSridhar wrote:Wahhabi/Deobandi/Salafi/Takfiris are strenuously trying to bring some clarity lately.

:rotfl: Pakistan is lucky that so many 'right' thinking folks are working so hard.

I wish further that they take this clear thinking and this energy into China, specifically Xinjiang. Won't it delight the Chinese!
Last edited by pankajs on 09 Jan 2012 12:40, edited 1 time in total.

member_21708
BRFite
Posts: 284
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_21708 » 09 Jan 2012 12:40

How Punjab governor's killer became a hero
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16443556

SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 24100
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2012 12:40

Pak student deported from Australia on security grounds
Melbourne-based Pakistani student was on Monday deported on security grounds after being questioned by Australian security intelligence officials over his suspect phone calls to Pakistan.

Twenty-three-year-old Salman Ghumman has been deported and is now on his way back to Pakistan, The Australian newspaper quoted the Immigration Department as saying.

Ghumman was detained last month by immigration officials after several months of questioning by Australia in Security Intelligence Organisation officials over suspect phone calls made to Pakistan and why he was in Australia, the paper said.

His father Manzoor Hussain Ghumman, a retired Pakistani air force officer, was quoted by the paper as saying that the family was concerned about his son's fate if he be picked up and questioned by Pakistani security services.{Why should he be picked up Pakistani intel as after all, he is only a JuD/LeT sympathizer ? Another thing to notice is how sons of senior retired military personnel have been involved in terrorism. Just too many of them to be incidental. Mind-boggling failed nuclear state, this Pakistan}

Ghumman said he feared his son had been unfairly targeted because the family had donated money to Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a banned outfit believed to be the charity arm of terror group Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Ghumman, who arrived in Australia in July 2010 to study accounting at the Melbourne Institute of Technology, said he was mortified at his situation and was determined to clear his name and return to Australia to complete an accounting degree at La Trobe University.

"They said I could appeal the decision from here but it could take more than a year and I can't stay in this detention centre. I don't want to go crazy in here," he said, adding he had spent hours trying to determine what might have triggered Australian Security Intelligence Organisation suspicions.

Department of Immigration spokesman Sandi Logan confirmed that the student had left and had boarded his flight "voluntarily" following the cancellation of his visa after questioning by ASIO.

Anujan
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6997
Joined: 27 May 2007 03:55

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2012 12:44

Interesting tid-bit. Samar Mubarak Mand, the guy involved with the Paki bum has been allotted one block of the Thar coal fields. He is apparently researching how to set up a underground coal gassification plant and has spent 3 years (and unaccounted money) on this.

I always wondered how Paki nuclear scientists become jack of all trades. KRL for example is the one who "produced" the Ghauri missile.

SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 24100
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2012 12:48

Anujan ji, I recall a few months back Mr. Mund claiming that he has perfected the process and was only waiting for some foreign investment to take it to the next level. No, I am not joking. I am serious I read something like that.

Military officers get fertile land as their 'entitlement' while nuclear scientists get coal-blocks as their type of 'entitlement'. Funny country.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 12:59

The question is when massa/kassa stop the money flow and the land left to distribute is all desert or mountain what will happen to the 'entitlement' program.

I guess the country will implode much before we reach that stage.

Raja Bose
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19478
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 01:38

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Raja Bose » 09 Jan 2012 13:22

Anujan wrote:I always wondered how Paki nuclear scientists become jack of all trades.


Thats how things run in Pakiland. Army runs soap factories and nuclear scientists excavate coal.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14473
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 09 Jan 2012 13:36

Changing paradigms in Pakistan’s evolution — I —Sonali Ranade
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\09\story_9-1-2012_pg3_4

The idea of Pakistan was truly born when the Muslim aristocracy of Punjab and Sindh realised the inevitability of the British leaving India. It was obvious that the existing feudal order, and the vast rich land holdings that sustained the aristocracy, would be impossible to preserve in a democratic India. The idea of Pakistan arose in defence of the Punjabi aristocracy’s power and pelf.
The elements of the first paradigm that fashioned Pakistan and guided its development until the 1970s are interesting. Firstly, the paradigm established the validity of identity-based politics in Pakistan itself. This is now one big problem. Secondly, the paradigm held that given the numerous differing identities in India, and the absence of an overall unitary religious basis for Hindus, India would break apart sooner or later and Pakistan must be in readiness to grab its due shares of spoils to fully establish a home for all Muslims. This began with the seizure of Kashmir cutting off India from the Central Asian land mass. The ultimate aim was to seize control of the rivers that fed water to the Punjab plains. Being in readiness meant establishing a well-oiled military machine and Pakistan went about putting such a machine in place by offering itself as an expeditionary force to the US. This element of the Pakistani paradigm held absolute sway till it was tested in 1965.
The central purpose of the Zia paradigm was to preserve the power of the military and the Punjabi aristocracy as before. The two groups had effectively merged after the middle and upper middle classes began to send their best into the army

RajeshA
BRF Oldie
Posts: 15995
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 19:30

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RajeshA » 09 Jan 2012 14:26

KLNMurthy wrote:You are cheering wildly for a sixer by an Indian batsman in an India-pak Test while I amsimply disgusted that the match is even taking place and wondering at the delirious India-flag waving spectators.

Just two runs onlee!

kish
BRFite
Posts: 960
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 23:53

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kish » 09 Jan 2012 14:42

pankajs wrote:‘Brotherly’ countries turn down Bakistan’s request
ISLAMABAD:

All rhetoric of brotherhood notwithstanding, two ‘friendly’ Arab countries have refused to supply oil to Pakistan on long-term credit.

Plagued by circular debt, and faced with high international oil prices, Pakistan had requested Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to extend their credit term for oil payments.
Saudi authorities also said that oil export is a commercial business for them and they would offer Pakistan the same terms that are offered to other countries, sources added.


"Terrorist ATM" (pukistan) is allowing the islamists all over the world to withdraw jihadis from their country for "just causes", may be this is a retaliation for the slaves to mend their ways.

Jeddah—Saudi judicial authorities have unearthed a new 16-member terror cell accused of killing a policeman using poison and plotting to kill top government officials and bomb weapons storages belonging to the Navy and special forces. The cell comprised 14 Saudis, a Pakistani and an Afghan., Arab News reported Sunday.


Terror cell unearthed in Saudi Arabia

kish
BRFite
Posts: 960
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 23:53

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kish » 09 Jan 2012 15:06

Afghan endgame: US ready for Haqqani talks

Shivji, has been saying this for the past few months, let me reiterate it. The lone Super power is shit scared of pukistan.

The thoughts of talking to LeT or including LeT in peace talks with pukistan, was never contemplated by even Anti-National elements in India. The American administration is already willing to talk to butchers of Americans (the haqqani network).


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ambar and 41 guests