NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

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NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Philip » 19 Dec 2011 18:20

An historic crossroads has been reached in the Korean Peninsula that has global ramifications.With the demise of Dear leader Kim,whi had been ailing in recent times,but departed without warning,the mantle of leadership has fallen onto one of his young sons who has very little political experience,Kim Jong Un.

A nuclear NoKo,which has in the past been very liberal in selling its nuclear and missile tech,in particularly to Pak,our mortal enemy,appeared to have also had the blessings of its Chinese "Uncle" in its maverick style of WMD proliferation.The unfinished business -the hangover of the Korean War,which has seen the peninsula becoming one of the wold's most heavily armed places on earth per sq mile,also saw in recent times increased tension with the sinking of a SoKo ASW corvette,suspected of being sunk by a NoKo mini-sub.Dear Leader Kim was a master in the art of the unexpoected,whether it was nuclear testing or alternating between peace and tension,that completely befuddled the US and West in their understanding of the "Hermit regime" and dealing with NoKo diplomatically as normal nations with each other do.

His death will also be very keenly watched in Pak,recipient of his WMD largesse and elsewhere around the world,where a nuclear armed paranoic state like NoKo wil be battening down against the world from intruding in its internal affairs,while it seeks to sustain as smooth as possible the succession of Jong Un.The young one,who may probably be now named as "Young Leader" will need all the wisdom of the elders in the power hierarchy to consolidate his position before making any changes in steering his leaky boat out of its economic depression and regional tension with his fellow SoKos.

As is often the case in totalitarian states with no meaningful contact with the outside world, we can expect the authorities in Pyongyang to be gripped bv intense paranoia as they attempt a seamless transition of power. Any false move by one of North Korea's many perceived enemies could have the regime reaching for the panic button, which is never a reassuring thought when you are dealing with an inherently unstable country that also happens to be armed with nuclear weapons.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby shiv » 19 Dec 2011 18:26

The bugger went and died? Just like that? Too soon. That's no good. Nowhere near the gleat leadel daddy Kim Il Sung.

What happens next? Which cabbage will rule?

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby shiv » 19 Dec 2011 18:46

Looks like Kim Young one - or is it Yong un will take over.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Philip » 19 Dec 2011 18:51

Shame on you Shiv,don't we know..... "The (Phantom) Kim is dead,ling love the Kim! "Young Un" Kim has kept to the Kim tradition and let loose a "fart" in SoKo's direction to warn potential troublemakers!

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Yogi_G » 19 Dec 2011 20:03

2000-2010 has been a bad decade for dictators. Saddam, Gaddafi, Kim

who's next?

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Dec 2011 20:10

mugabe

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby bahdada » 19 Dec 2011 20:37

Yogi_G wrote:2000-2010 has been a bad decade for dictators. Saddam, Gaddafi, Kim

who's next?


You forgot Steve Jobs. :wink:

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2011 21:16

Dear Leader we will miss you a lot , RIP !

Welcome Kim Jong Un hope you can do more good for your people.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby rajsunder » 19 Dec 2011 21:27

Austin wrote:Dear Leader we will miss you a lot , RIP !

Welcome Kim Jong Un hope you can do more good for your people.

RIP are you kidding, he would be roasted like a pig in hell, if ever there is one, for providing missile designs to porkies. :x

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Nandu » 19 Dec 2011 22:23

This is the only dude who *lost* 72 virgins by dying.
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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby ramana » 19 Dec 2011 23:07

We can expect Korean reunification in a few years. There is no rationale for NoKo to exist except to save PRC.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby partha » 19 Dec 2011 23:18

ramana wrote:We can expect Korean reunification in a few years. There is no rationale for NoKo to exist except to save PRC.


Reunification will mean US troops at Chinese border. I think PRC will resist reunification attempts at all cost.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Manny » 19 Dec 2011 23:55

Folks here are making fun of North Korea and their "Dear leader"

But how are we Indians any different with our "Dear Leader" and the young un "dear leader" to be? This one family has been in power 90% of the time India came to be... Gandhi gave the keys to "Dear leader" and his family is yet to return the keys... instead keeping it as a heirloom for their "Young uns" and the citizens cheerlead with the same adulation and intensity of the North Korean minions of their "young un dear leader"


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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Prem » 20 Dec 2011 00:11

NOKO goes from Demoncratic Dear leader to Deer Leader and then onward to Democratic Dear Leaders within the political set up of Unified Korea ( Asian UK). The Hermit Kingdom will rise again and take its rightful place in Asia rivaling Japan.Korean Nationalism is very much in the interest of India.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby AnimeshP » 20 Dec 2011 00:15

Yogi_G wrote:2000-2010 has been a bad decade for dictators. Saddam, Gaddafi, Kim

who's next?


Sorry to be nitpicking but 2 of 3 mentioned in your post died in 2011

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Nandu » 20 Dec 2011 00:30

Manny, political differences are no reason to score self goals.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby RajeshA » 20 Dec 2011 01:29

Imagine North Korea transforming and then they coming out with all the ways in which China proliferated nuclear technology to Pakistan, partly through NoKo.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby RajeshA » 20 Dec 2011 02:17

Published on Dec 20, 2011
By Elizabeth Roche
India to examine potential fallout: Livemint
Though India is one of the countries with a diplomatic presence in North Korea, it has very little leverage with Pyongyang, whose nuclear and missile programme and export of missile technology to Pakistan have been a cause of concern for the government.

In March this year, India was quick to respond to a food shortage in North Korea by providing $1 million through the World Food Programme. Pyongyang had appreciated India’s timely assistance, said a second person close to the development.

For the first time in years, the North Korean foreign minister visited the Indian embassy at the Republic Day function in Pyongyang on 26 January. A few days later, the North Korean vice foreign minister invited the Indian ambassador for dinner.

In May, a team from North Korea visited India to explore the Indian experience in setting up special economic zones and in August, India and North Korea held foreign office consultations and decided to strengthen bilateral ties.

“Any instability in the Korean peninsula will affect entire East Asia and parts of South-East Asia,” said Rajaram Panda, a senior fellow with the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses. “Much depends on how well King Jong-Un manages to take and hold power, the equations between him and the military and between him and his family members who also wield power. If there is a military revolt, usurping of power by some group or the other, it can have major repercussions.” In case of domestic instability in North Korea, there could be an influx of refugees into China, causing the country to intervene, Panda said. A power struggle between Kim Jong-Un and the military or his family could compound Japan’s worries vis-a-vis North Korea’s nuclear programme, he said. All this will upset the security calculus in the region, he added.

“The best case scenario for India is that there is an Arab Spring like movement towards democracy. But that is very far fetched,” according to the second person cited above. “But then China could intervene to stabilize the situation as well as ensure it has the same leverage as before.”

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2011 04:17

New Olympic event - Synchronized Crying

But I am liking comlade Kim Ok Song (at 2:47) phrom Electric Wire Factory #326 (she ij the inspector stamping "OK" on your Macbook's MagSafe power cord).


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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby shiv » 20 Dec 2011 06:08

Raja Bose wrote:New Olympic event - Synchronized Crying

But I am liking comlade Kim Ok Song (at 2:47) phrom Electric Wire Factory #326 (she ij the inspector stamping "OK" on your Macbook's MagSafe power cord).



Amazing am-aaaaaaaaaayzing stuff! There is piskology here but for the life of me I am unable to figure it out. I want to laugh but my mind tells me that laughing will extinguish the pisko spark in my mind..

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Klaus » 20 Dec 2011 06:34

The crying is the same as "oppaari" during funeral rites in southern states, i.e women paid to come and mourn the dead individual.

Also, some of them are in uniform. All of them are also well-off judging by their decent winter clothing. Certainly not the reaction of the mango person.


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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby BajKhedawal » 20 Dec 2011 08:44

Raja Bose wrote:New Olympic event - Synchronized Crying


It's NoKo version of Paki Matam showbaazi - akin to sadomasochistic self flagellation, Romans did it, Jews did it, Christians did it, Muslims still do it.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby shiv » 20 Dec 2011 09:19

BajKhedawal wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:New Olympic event - Synchronized Crying


It's NoKo version of Paki Matam showbaazi - akin to sadomasochistic self flagellation, Romans did it, Jews did it, Christians did it, Muslims still do it.



Mass synchronised demonstrative crying seems to serve at least two purposes. One is to show in public that everyone is grieving for the departed person. The second is to show unity. The former is personal. The latter is political.

The public crying and self flagellation of Muharram is political. NoKos synchronised howling is definitely political. It brings new meaning to the question "Where were you when JFK Dear Leader died?"

"I was in a public square, standing in neat rows of lines of people bawling my lungs out"

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2011 10:13

Yeah yeah all that pisko-giri on NoKo crying is fine but does someone have comlade Song's phone number/teetar id?? I need to setup Purush-uddin with her (for life).

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby BajKhedawal » 20 Dec 2011 10:19

Interesting how video systematically covers all age group, and ends with late twenties PYT statement.

OT: "I was in a Canadian call center when twins came down:"

Surrounded by ugly pakjabi's slyly smiling with a twinkle in their racoony eyes bearing smug expression while watching people jump to death live on overhead TV's. The same sycophantic mofo's would easily drop on their knees literally with pleading puppy eyes to beg gora supervisor for shift adjustment for eid. Ack-thoo.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby vina » 20 Dec 2011 10:38

The crying is the same as "oppaari" during funeral rites in southern states, i.e women paid to come and mourn the dead individual.


Yes, there was one done for Mrs IG in the deep south in TN when we were living there .

I believe the much acclaimed movie "Rudali" of Dimple Kapadia too is based on the professional mourner, ie Rudali, whose job is to cry at funerals. So, I guess, N. India (atleast Rajasthan) too has these traditions.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby vina » 20 Dec 2011 10:40

Raja Bose wrote:Yeah yeah all that pisko-giri on NoKo crying is fine but does someone have comlade Song's phone number/teetar id?? I need to setup Purush-uddin with her (for life).


Comlade Kim Ok Song is hot. You might consider a pass at her yourself.

Must have been one of the hand picked beauties to be placed in front of the TV and pledge fealty and loyalty to "Lespected Comlade Kim-Jong-Un .. the pudgy faced mini me.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2011 12:22

Departed Comlade Kim's bai #3 was named Kim Ok.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby vina » 20 Dec 2011 12:32

Departed Comlade Kim's bai #3 was named Kim Ok.


Wow! Then she definitely is the one for you. If you get hitched to her, you could be in line to the No Ko throne after Dear Leader's Pudgy Faced Pillsbury Dough boy.

You wont need to do R&D to your Pitashree then! :rotfl:

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2011 14:03

^^Unfortunately that still wont make me a chair-marshall of IAF. :(( Who wants to play with Paki-manufactured tin can Bandaars of NoKo AF instead of MKIs? :evil: :evil:

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Philip » 20 Dec 2011 14:26

The Dear Leader was much misunderstood and ignorantly made fun of.He had a wide breadth of knowledge,was forever penned down in his hermit nation by a million+ SoKo and US troops all-a-waiting to invade and send the gallant workers of the NoKo proletariat into concentration camps.Which country on our planet has held out for so long against the evil empire of the US and its cronies?
Though he had his share of eccentric behaviour,a fear of flying,or sailing the high seas,he loved trains and always travelled in them,until and fittingly ,hedied aboard a train.Yet he was not scared of the danger just across his borders and when needed,sent barrages of shells into SoKo territory and even allegedly sunk a SoKo ASW frigate with one of his modest mini-subs.Iranians take good notice!

One must always according to remember he was an avid golfer too and holds many world records in golf (unsubstantiated !) according to NoKo sources.It was why the US was so livid with him for upstaging Tiger Woods.

Now that he has departed to that great golf club up in the sky,may Dear Leader make his first drive a "hole in one"!
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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

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‘’In March this year, India was quick to respond to a food shortage in North Korea by providing $1 million through the World Food Programme. Pyongyang had appreciated India’s timely assistance, said a second person close to the development.’’

I did not know this and I am really disappointed with our foreign policy. 46% of children in India suffer from malnutrition and ‘our dear government’ has to provide $1 million to North Korea! NoKo has supplied nuclear technology/missiles to Pakistan, our arch enemy. Do we really think that by giving $1 million to NoKo it will stop supplying nuclear technology/missiles to Pakistan? We are just kidding ourselves!

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby RajeshA » 20 Dec 2011 15:27

North Korea's Foreign Relations with India: Wikipedia

India was appointed as Chairman of the 9-member UN Commission to hold elections in Korea in 1947; After the Korean war of 1950-53, India played an important role as the Chairman of the NNRC (Neutral Nations Repatriation Commission); Consular relations with DPRK were set up on March 1, 1962; and diplomatic relations between the two countries were established on December 10, 1973 Relations between India and DPRK have been generally characterised by friendship, cooperation and understanding. As members of the Non-Aligned Movement, there is a commonality of views between the two on many international issues, e.g. Disarmament, South-South Cooperation, etc. Both sides continue to work closely at international fora and support each other on various issues of bilateral and international interests. India had welcomed the SouthNorth Joint Declaration of June 15, 2000 and favours reduction of tension in the Korean peninsula and reunification of the two Koreas through peaceful means and through direct dialogue between them. India and DPRK have been cooperating in the UN and other international organizations. Regular and meaningful exchange of views on bilateral issues of mutual interest and concern, were conducted through mechanism of FOC. In March 2011, India provided North Korea with assistance in food by providing supplies worth almost $ 1 million through the World Food Program, which was much appreciated by the Government of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Many North Korean nationals receive training in India including in the fields of IT and science and technology. India has a bilateral trade of around half a billion dollars with North Korea. Also, India is increasingly being asked by the USA to mediate in the Korean peninsula due to its strengthening relations with both North Korea and South Korea.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Ram » 20 Dec 2011 15:38

X-Posting from Geo political thread


Kim Jong Il's death is a significant event. It could have ramifications that can pose some fundamental changes to the power equations in North and East Asia. The incumbent Kim Jong Un is not experienced. When the founder president Kim Il Sung died, it was preceded by years of positioning and developing a leadership around Kim Jong Il. This has not been the case this time around.

Also, the era of Kim Jong Il, has been one of a change of guard. The earlier leadership had comrades of Kim Il Sung who had been part of the struggle against Japanese and then the Korean Wars. They did have a level of support from the population on which the cult of the Great Leader was built. The Dear Leader had no such basis and also presided over some of the worst times of North Korea. The Chinese support is now not assured as it was in the times of Mao. The Chinese view of North Korea has been that of a useful vassal state. As a convenient instrument of clandestine proliferation, as a tool for pressure and negotiations using nuclear blackmail against the US and and Japan etc. The economic underwriting of the bankrupt economy of North Korea is something that is done most grudgingly by the Chinese.

This change therefore presents an opportunity for the US to break the stanglehold of the communists in North Korea and push for a unification with the prosperous South. They west will definitely try this. As this will give them a great platform to contain China. Chinese will therefore react to secure the North Korean leadership that comes in. But they will first adopt a wait and watch to see if the new young Kim can get power and hold on to it.

There will be a two different factions in the ruling Workers Party. One of the old guard that will try to reassert and push the young Kim out and keep the China relationship. The other made up of likely younger cadre that will seek to secure a more prosperous future by following a detente with the South and making up with the western powers. Kim the grandson, has to make some tough choices here. He cannot afford to sit on the fence. He has to take some sides. And no matter what side he takes, it is not likely that he is going to have a stable and strong grip on power.

One thing is for sure, the west will not let this opportunity to go by without trying to change the status quo. From an Indian perspective, the North Korean break out from the Chinese camp is going to be beneficial. It will mean that the Chinese support by proliferation to Pakistan will no longer have a deniable cover for starters.

These are interesting times for Korea and China. May they live in even more interesting times.

Just a rambler's note. Take it for what it is worth.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby RajeshA » 20 Dec 2011 15:56

The Death of Kim Jong-Il represents a golden opportunity for India to make her move!

  1. Our ultimate aim should be the "smooth Unification of Korean Peninsula".

    A United Korea would mean the question of Goguryeo would again pop up. China is in fact occupying historical Korean land with many ethnic Koreans living in PRC. These Koreans have decided to integrate into China more or less, but if a United Korea comes about, these Koreans may feel differently about it, and it could become an open wound. The Chinese tend to make preposterous claims of Goguryeo being a Chinese kingdom which is bound to inflame Korean passions even more.

    India should play an active role in the Unification of Korea.
  2. Also we should NOT plead for the Disarmament of the DPRK. If the Koreas can unite, and in a negotiated pact between DPRK military and RoK military, military is allowed to keep the nukes, it would mean Korea becomes a nuclear state, in a somewhat similar position as India regarding NPT. United Korea may have to be brought into the Nuclear framework through a similar pact.

    That would push Japan to reconsider its nuclear status too.

    The nuclearization of Eastern Asia: Japan, Korea, Vietnam and Taiwan would act as a deterrent to Chinese power in the Pacific. China would not be able to browbeat the other countries with its aggressive postures.

So what can we do?

North Korea is a member of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM)! We should set-up a NAM DPRK Support Group (NDSG) consisting of some Asian countries.

As a leading country of the NAM movement, India should take the lead. Another country we should rope in is Indonesia, to give NAM contact group more gravitas. For otherwise it would look like either an Indian agenda affair or some US sponsored group. Also we should rope in Myanmar, because their junta and North Korea have had many dealings, even in the nuclear field. Singapore should be a part of the group, because of its Chinese background. Also Singapore is one country with which North Korea has good relations. Mongolia may be another country of relevance here. Mongolia too has made the transition from communist regime to a democratic political system. All are NAM members. If possible we should use an Foreign Office chap from India's Northeast!

We should try to soften the transition of North Korea as a highly isolated country to a place integrated with the rest of the world, and ultimately to help North Korea in its negotiations for unification with South Korea. Furthermore we can help in mediation between North Korea and Japan on various issues of conflict. We can also act as the point man for organizing aid to North Korea in the mean time.

In the longer run, we will also be able to get at the secrets of North Korea - Pakistan nuclear dealings.

We have to break away China's closest friends, North Korea and Myanmar, away from it, and if possible turn them into spears facing China.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Raja Ram » 20 Dec 2011 16:05

Rajesh A,

You have ambitions my friend!, but for such things to happen, the leadership of the GOI should be awake at the wheel!!...they are all too busy right now!

But for some of the things you have talked about to happen, it will have to mean a level of connects for India across the Korean DMZ, that is not there. Also, this is a geopolitical game that has been playing out since the 50's and the final arbiters will be the US, China and Japan. That is why I feel it will be the west that will try and sieze this opportunity and it is China that will have to do all the work in making sure that NK stabilizes. From an Indian perspective, if the NK regime goes down, it will throw up some interesting facts in the role of China in proliferating and maintaining the terror entity called Pakistan. NK's fall will mean China will have to do a lot of covering up.

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Lalmohan » 20 Dec 2011 16:33

the "mass hysteria" is as a result of the party's indoctrination of young minds of the "cult of leadership" - intrinsic to most dictatorships. the leader is the nation, the nation (and you) survive because the leader makes it happen, perhaps even by divine right - l'etat c'est moi (le roi) - as a french king once said before his line was guillotined by ungrateful non cake eating peasant masses. no leader, no nation - no you. that is the piskology. you just have to see the pop fan style adulation of young german women towards der fuhrer... to see the pattern

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby RajeshA » 20 Dec 2011 16:59

Raja Ram wrote:But for some of the things you have talked about to happen, it will have to mean a level of connects for India across the Korean DMZ, that is not there.

Raja Ram saar,

we have a lower level of contacts. I posted earlier about what is available in the Wiki.

I however see that as positive.

Raja Ram wrote:Also, this is a geopolitical game that has been playing out since the 50's and the final arbiters will be the US, China and Japan. That is why I feel it will be the west that will try and sieze this opportunity and it is China that will have to do all the work in making sure that NK stabilizes.

North Korea and Japan have relations with a stable dynamic. Japans sends aid. North Korea doesn't even say "Thank you"! Japan wants to talk about the issue of their missing citizens. North Korea just lets those talks drive into the quicksand and sink. There is no movement at all between North Korea and Japan.

With South Korea, North Korea uses a Season Switch - at one time it is summer and sunshine, and next moment it can become very chilly. North Korea has been using this switch for a very long time, and it has become a pattern.

USA sends it emissaries to North Korea. All they come back home is with a new file on the Secretary of State, Carter or some Christian Father's impressions of the top leadership, who were in the room, what they ate, and some superficial psychological profile of the hermit leadership. They agree to do something about proliferation and then after a couple of years it falls through and they have to start anew. USA is dependent on China's good offices for the talks - hardly a wise policy. Just makes China prolong this dependence.

China has of course its old role as the patron.

The West can use this opportunity but only if they play the game in a different way. USA has been trying to get India involved in East Asia. That is a different way!

The Group of Six have been having their negotiations for a long time, without much to show for it. That is because these negotiations were disarmament-centric.

The NAM-DPRK Support Group should have a completely different agenda and emphasis. We should forget the Disarmament debate with DPRK. Let that be the worry for others. We should concentrate our efforts at integrating North Korea with the international community, and bringing them out of the isolation, where DPRK is at the moment solely dependent on China. Our effort should be open up the closed system. And the way we do it, is by saying, "We are here to mobilize whatever support you need from the world (as long as you don't do arms and drugs smuggling)"! We should try to take away the fear of the world from the DPRK leadership.


Raja Ram wrote:From an Indian perspective, if the NK regime goes down, it will throw up some interesting facts in the role of China in proliferating and maintaining the terror entity called Pakistan. NK's fall will mean China will have to do a lot of covering up.

We do need to turn North Korea around, so that they do not proliferate any further to Pakistan. But whatever is done is done. All we can hope to find is some clinching evidence about how that proliferation happened.

But I think, strategically put, that is a very small reward for India. It doesn't change the dynamic at all. Even if we have clinching evidence that Pakistan is the Devil itself, it doesn't really bring us much in actual strategic benefits.

We should go here for a bigger play and bigger rewards!

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby Philip » 20 Dec 2011 17:04

Rarja you are right on the opportunity that the West will definitely try and exploit.
Inexperiencd leader of a nuclear-weapons state,ripe for revolution Orange Rvolution/Arab Spring style.SoKo agents in the north will now be on max alert to look for any traces of disension,etc., and exploit any rifts.There was one report on the BBC,from Pyongyang, about some "shooting heard" in a VIP district.It could be a false report to confuse locals.

At this moment the establishment in NoKo will be paranoid about possible destablisation by the US/SoKo and any thought of a forced unification will be dealt with in the harshest manner.The two cultures as so differemt after decades of hostility,that for the moment,things will remain as they are.

PS:Dear Leder was also a connoisseur of wine! Eead about how he was saved by a French doctor after suffering his stroke 3 years ago..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ng-il.html

....And then, three years ago, North Korea contacted Dr Roux again after Kim suffered the stroke - never formally acknowledged by authorities. This time officials arranged for the doctor to come to Pyongyang with a few other French doctors.

"When they came to get me in 2008, I didn't know who I was leaving to go see over there," said Roux. "They don't say - they're very secret."

Dr Roux said he was brought immediately to a hospital, handed medical files of anonymous patients, and asked to give a diagnosis and treatment recommendation for each. Most were not in serious trouble, but one file worried him. He insisted on seeing the patient in person.

After a few hours of consultation, the local medical team consented. The patient, Dr Roux said, was Kim Jong-il.

"When I arrived, he was in intensive care, in a coma, in a bad way," Dr Roux said.

"My job was to try and save him from this critical state by talking with the other doctors, by giving medical advice, etc. He was in a life-threatening situation," Dr Roux said.

Citing doctor-patient privilege and state secrecy, Dr Roux declined to say how he had examined Kim, or indicate what treatment he had recommended.

He said that by the time he returned to France about 10 days later, Kim was conscious and speaking. Dr Roux said he saw Kim again in September and October for follow-up visits organised at the behest of North Korean authorities.

Dr Roux said that as Kim began to gain awareness of his condition, he became very concerned "as any of us would have been after a serious stroke." Kim wanted to know if he would live normally again, "if he would walk normally again, work normally. He was asking very logical questions."

He said Kim had lost a little weight, but suffered few lasting effects. However, the chance of future strokes increased over time.

Dr Roux said the North Korean authorities appeared to have sought a foreign doctor because they needed someone who was "not emotionally involved."

"My Korean colleagues were ... disturbed to be making decisions for their leader," he said, adding that while local doctors took part in Kim's care, final treatment decisions were left to him.

He described speaking a mix of French and English with the other doctors, and said that Kim appeared to be "profoundly Francophile."

"He wanted to establish political ties with France. He was not hiding that," said Dr Roux. "He also knew French cinema very well. I was pretty surprised. He knew French wines pretty well. We were talking about the differences between Bourgogne and Bordeaux, etc."

Dr Roux said only close family knew Kim was sick, but the message "didn't get passed to the public." The late leader's 20-something son Kim Jong-un was a regular visitor to his father's bedside, he said, but the heir apparent never spoke to him.


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