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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

Postby Satya_anveshi » 15 Jan 2012 12:32

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The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:


Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://sdpi.org/sdpi-old/whats_new/repo ... tBooks.pdf

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)


MISCELLANEOUS

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup
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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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A Venn diagram, by Shiv, to illustrate the commonality and difference between "bad Taliban" and Jinnah's Pakistan.


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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.

Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.

Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby g.sarkar » 15 Jan 2012 12:58

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/world ... &ref=world
In Pakistan, Talks Aim to Ease Split
By DECLAN WALSH and SALMAN MASOOD
Published: January 14, 2012
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan’s civilian and military leaders met Saturday for the first time since the eruption of a bitter political and legal controversy that stoked rumors of a military coup and could still topple the precariously weak civilian government.
After days of combative statements from both sides, President Asif Ali Zardari and the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, sat face to face in the presidency building overlooking Islamabad.
It was their first public interaction in more than a month and an indication that relations have not completely broken down.
Only four days earlier, the military had warned of “potentially grievous consequences” if civilian criticism of General Kayani continued, while the government fired one of the military’s top civilian allies, a retired three-star general in the Defense Ministry.
That exchange triggered frenzied speculation that Pakistan’s fifth military coup was imminent, particularly after President Zardari left on a visit to Dubai 24 hours later. By Saturday, though, tempers had visibly cooled......."
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Postby member_21708 » 15 Jan 2012 13:13

Another Aman-ki-Tamasha social engineering move

Indian Muslim living in America plans to open university in Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 495171.cms

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Postby rajanb » 15 Jan 2012 14:04

vikramd wrote:Another Aman-ki-Tamasha social engineering move

Indian Muslim living in America plans to open university in Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 495171.cms


Well, if the history books are Indian then it will be good. They can learn how their TFTA Army raped East Pakistan and then surrendered without fighting!

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Postby Charlie » 15 Jan 2012 14:49

vikramd wrote:Another Aman-ki-Tamasha social engineering move

Indian Muslim living in America plans to open university in Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 495171.cms


This is extremely fishy by any standard. why would an IM care for Punjabi and shower so much love on Nan-Khana Saheb? I hope Pakis wear their "cut the nose to spite the face" hat and ban this project thinking its an international conspiracy to hurt Oordu, Persian, Arabic and above all Islam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby shyamd » 15 Jan 2012 15:32

I heard a back channel CBM building talks between IA and TSPA took place in Dubai in Nov 11. Retired officials, mil officers were also in attendance. Any confirmation?

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Postby abhijitm » 15 Jan 2012 15:34

Now what? someone has to swallow its ego, but who??
I am only answerable to Parliament: Gilani
Gilani said the President House had rejected the news item saying Chief of Army Staff Ashfaq Pervez Kayani had demanded the clarification or withdrawal of the statement by the prime minister.
but the army hasn't :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Narad » 15 Jan 2012 15:38

Pakistani kids play, "suicide bomber", each bidding their comrade goodbye with a hug. And the boy solemnly performing, "his mission" of Jihad as prescribed by the 'holy' book.


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Postby abhijitm » 15 Jan 2012 16:00

^^^ Its part of the evolution that offspring try to imitate their parent's main source of bread and butter. So next paki generations will be better suicide bombers.

But biradars, bhat is thij other IT bijness and $560 mil exbort figures came out of whose musharraf, aye poochh?
Pakistan’s IT industry flourishes in 2011 despite the rising tension with US
According to an estimate by the PSEB, the industries export in 2011 stand at about $560 million and analysts believe that this value can rise up to $860 millions, if the Industry continue to grow at this rate...

Imran further said that the industry is working at full capacity on the HR side at this point of time but that does not mean all IT professionals have jobs. All this is because many fresh graduates do not have the skills required by the companies.

there are rumors bakistan will reach $10b IT export by 2020 :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Dilbu » 15 Jan 2012 16:31

IED Mubarak
8 feared dead in attack on Shia procession in Pakistan
At least eight people were feared killed when a blast ripped through a Shia procession in Pakistan's Punjab province on Sunday, media reports said.

The explosion occurred in Khanpur town shortly after a 'Chehlum' procession left a Shia 'imambarah' or prayer hall this afternoon.

Witnesses and reporters at the site said they had seen at least eight bodies. About a dozen people were also injured in the incident, according to reports by TV news channels.

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Postby shravan » 15 Jan 2012 16:33

Video of Khanpur Explosion- 15 Jan 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Xzu2n32rJE
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Postby Dilbu » 15 Jan 2012 16:34

Brazen attack: Suicide bombers storm police building in DI Khan
PESHAWAR:
Four people were killed in an abortive hostage-taking attempt by Taliban suicide bombers at the office of a local police chief in a southern district of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) on Saturday.

The outlawed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility for the brazen attack on the office of District Police Officer (DPO) Sohail Khalid in Dera Ismail Khan city that also left four bombers dead.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Pattom » 15 Jan 2012 16:58

At least 13 killed in transformer blast during Chehlum procession

AOA! It was another short circuiting vacuum bulb onlee.

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Postby abhijitm » 15 Jan 2012 17:49

classic quote by the police :D
"A long flag in the procession struck the high transmission power wire and caused the explosion in the transformer,” he told reporters.

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Postby abhijitm » 15 Jan 2012 17:53

shravan wrote:Video of Khanpur Explosion- 15 Jan 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Xzu2n32rJE

How come those people keep chanting and ranting instead of helping the injured?? strange psychs...

added later:
and if you look carefully, there was second explosion. Listen and watch at the end of the video, at 0:42.

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Postby SureshP » 15 Jan 2012 18:00

Pakistan learnt no lesson from 1971
Imran relates govt's treatment of Pashtuns to Bangalees

Staff Correspondent

Pakistani politician and former cricketer Imran Khan said if the Pakistanis who committed crimes during the Liberation War of Bangladesh had been punished, the present scenario in Pakistan would have been different.

The Caravan, a Britain-based magazine, published an interview of Imran on its January issue. Imran told the magazine the events (Bangladesh's Liberation War) in 1971 provided a lesson about the rule of law.

"Had people been punished, we [Pakistan] would not be going through this again," said Imran.

The cricketer-turned politician told the magazine he had overhead instructions to kill Bengalis in 1971 when he was in Dhaka to play a cricket match.

He claimed he had been on the last flight out of Dhaka before the Pakistani army launched an assault on March 25, 1971.

"These ears heard people saying: 'Small and dark. Kill them. Teach them a lesson'," he said. "I heard it with my own ears."

Imran, who was on a cricket tour as an 18-year-old youngster, however did not identify who gave the instructions and to whom.

Now the leader of Pakistani political party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Imran said he now hears similar instructions within Pakistan.

"It's exactly the same language which I hear this time," he said in the interview, adding that today it is Pashtuns who are ill-treated.

"In Pindi, in Lahore, in Karachi, they've been picked up and thrown into jail because they are Pashtun. This is a sad legacy."


According to media reports, around 30 to 35 million Pashtuns living in Afghanistan and Pakistan are the direct victims of the "war on terror" since 2001, when Pakistan became the partner of the USA in the “war on terror”. The media termed it "Pashtun genocide". Pashtuns want neither Taliban nor the army on their land.

The former cricketer believes if the Pakistani offenders of 1971 had been punished, the Pashtun would not be harassed in Pakistan today.

The magazine says until his visit to Dhaka in 1971, Imran had believed in the Pakistani state propaganda of the time, which painted the rebellion as the work of a few Indian-backed militants.

"That was the first time I realised that there was a separatist movement going on," he said. "We knew nothing about what was going on in East Pakistan."


Around three million people were killed and more than a quarter million women violated during the nine-month bloody Liberation War that started on March 26, 1971.

The Pakistani occupation forces launched a massacre on unarmed civilians at the night of March 25, 1971. More than 10 million people were displaced from the country and became refugees in India.

Thirty-nine years after independence, an International Crimes Tribunal was set up in 2010 to try the Bangladeshi war criminals, who not only opposed the Liberation War to foil the birth of Bangladesh but also actively helped Pakistani army to commit mass killings, genocide and other war crimes.

Seven accused Bangladeshi war criminals have so far been facing charges for crimes committed during the War.

http://www.travelonebd.com/site/index.php?url=/index.php/component/weblinks/3-english-newspaper/60-the-daily-star

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Postby Narad » 15 Jan 2012 18:41

Let's not dilute the fun.



Officials had originally thought the explosion came from a malfunctioning electric cable, but later found that there had been a bomb, he said. :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Brad Goodman » 15 Jan 2012 18:54

Showdown

The trigger for the current crises is the accusation that the civilian politicians had tried to get U.S. backing for an attempt to purge the Pakistani officer corps of anti-democratic individuals, and reorganize the military so that it is firmly under civilian control. This would cause thousands of senior officers to lower power and money. Many more active and retired officers would lose economic benefits. The military pays lip service to civilian control of the armed forces, but threatens another coup anytime the government tries to interfere with military matters.


This war has been brewing for decades, as the military became more corrupt, greedy and unreliable. While the Pakistani military exists to protect the nation, it has never won a war and actually causes more tension with powerful neighbors, making Pakistan more, not less, at risk of war. For over three decades, the military has, pretty much on its own authority, waged war with India, using Islamic terrorists. The military has taken a growing portion of the national wealth and done nothing to aid economic growth, social welfare or national security. Now, the elected officials, who are also quite corrupt, are confronting the generals. This is risky, as if the military does not agree to submit to civilian control, there could be civil war, or another period of military dictatorship. The senior officers who benefit from this sorry situation find themselves with less support, even within the military, this time around. The lower ranking troops don't do so well economically, and are exposed to family and civilian friends who are increasingly unhappy with the cost (in cash and fear) of the Pakistani armed forces.


Looks like Khan's economic baksheesh is what keeps the military afloat.

India has all but declared victory over Pakistan in disputed Kashmir. Security officials there declared Kashmir safe enough for tourists. Indian tourists have been increasingly common over the past few years, but the "safe for tourists" comments was meant for foreign visitors, who spend a lot more money and used to make Kashmir a very prosperous place. But decades of Pakistani-supported Islamic terrorism in Kashmir destroyed the tourism industry, and much else besides. There is still terrorist violence in Kashmir. Last year, there were 183 terrorist related deaths there. But 63 percent of the dead were terrorists, and only 19 percent were civilians. The year before (2010), there were 375 deaths (72 percent terrorists, 10 percent civilians). But most of the deaths took place in remote parts of Kashmir, near the Pakistan border. Here, the Indian troops have been increasingly successful at stopping Islamic terrorists trying to sneak over from Pakistan. It may take another few years of peace before the foreign tourists flock back to Kashmir, but Indian commanders are confident they can keep their trend going.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby chaanakya » 15 Jan 2012 20:07

Its 18 who meet 72 now.

MULTAN: A homemade bomb exploded on Sunday near a Chehlum procession in the central Pakistani town of Khanpur, killing 18 people and wounding 30, police officials said.

Sunday’s explosion in Khanpur came as mourners were marking the 40th day of mourning the death of Imam Hussain.

The explosion went off as the mourners came out of a mosque, said District Police Chief Sohail Chatta. The bomb appeared to have been planted near an electric pole ahead of time in the path of the procession, he said.

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Postby anupmisra » 15 Jan 2012 20:14

shravan wrote:Video of Khanpur Explosion- 15 Jan 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Xzu2n32rJE


Unbelievable!! Within five seconds of that explosion, these people started to shout "murdabad!". Forget the injured and the dying, revenge is always the first thing on their minds.

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Postby anupmisra » 15 Jan 2012 20:16



Fun? That's an odd choice of words to describe the carnage these people inflict on each other.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Rajdeep » 15 Jan 2012 20:21

Baloch plight attracts US attention amid tense ties with Pak

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Baloch-plight-attracts-US-attention-amid-tense-ties-with-Pak/articleshow/11500201.cms

''The United States is deeply concerned about the ongoing violence in Baluchistan, especially targeted killings, disappearances and other human rights abuses,'' spokesperson Victoria Nuland continued, adding that Washington takes the allegations of human rights abuses ''very seriously'' and had discussed these issues with Pakistani officials.

The question from @cadet1081 was provocative, asking the State Department why the United States does not intervene in Baluchistan and help the Baloch achieve freedom. But Nuland was circumspect in her response, noting for now that ''This is a complex issue,'' and Washington strongly believes ''that the best way forward is for all the parties to resolve their differences through peaceful dialogue.'


Free Balochistan !!

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Postby anupmisra » 15 Jan 2012 20:24

SureshP wrote:[b]The cricketer-turned politician told the magazine he had overhead instructions to kill Bengalis in 1971 when he was in Dhaka to play a cricket match. "These ears heard people saying: 'Small and dark. Kill them. Teach them a lesson'," he said. "I heard it with my own ears."


Isn't that the same as the complicity of the average Germans who knew about the holocaust by the Nazis and the concentration camps but did not participate in the actual killings? There is an international law about this situation somewhere, I am sure. IK may have just about spoken out of turn here.

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Postby CRamS » 15 Jan 2012 20:48

anupmisra wrote:
[b]The cricketer-turned politician told the magazine he had overhead instructions to kill Bengalis in 1971 when he was in Dhaka to play a cricket match. "These ears heard people saying: 'Small and dark. Kill them. Teach them a lesson'," he said. "I heard it with my own ears."



Isn't that the same as the complicity of the average Germans who knew about the holocaust by the Nazis and the concentration camps but did not participate in the actual killings? There is an international law about this situation somewhere, I am sure. IK may have just about spoken out of turn here.


Boss, are you naive or what? What the f$%ck is "international law" BS? You think there is any such thing or some such thing exists or is invented only when US & western interests the question? Such BS will be used against Nazis, but when it comes to TSP Nazis like Imran Khan, far from "international law" applying to him, if he suits western interests as he might very well be as a "civilian" face of TSPA/ISI, he might even appear on the cover of cosmpolotin or Vogue or whatever tons of semi-porn magazines you see at a grocery store or newsstand, extolling his good looks and masculinity.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Altair » 15 Jan 2012 21:14

Check out India map in http://maps.google.co.in/
There is no LOC. Entire J&K state is shown as part of India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anurag » 15 Jan 2012 21:43

Someone posted this in the previous thread, just making sure it comes through.

For those who understand Hindu/Urdu, this is a MUST watch! This guy really speaks out and paints the TSPA the way it really is, finally for the first time someone has spoken openly.

Please watch this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7d ... _embedded#!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Dipanker » 15 Jan 2012 21:53

anupmisra wrote:
SureshP wrote:[b]The cricketer-turned politician told the magazine he had overhead instructions to kill Bengalis in 1971 when he was in Dhaka to play a cricket match. "These ears heard people saying: 'Small and dark. Kill them. Teach them a lesson'," he said. "I heard it with my own ears."


Isn't that the same as the complicity of the average Germans who knew about the holocaust by the Nazis and the concentration camps but did not participate in the actual killings? There is an international law about this situation somewhere, I am sure. IK may have just about spoken out of turn here.


Yes and he is not the only one, there are 100,000 of them Paki genociders who India first save from the Bangladeshis lusting for revenge and then let them go practically scot free.

India should have left these savage barbarians in the hand of Bangladeshis who would have butchered them all.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Ambar » 15 Jan 2012 22:06

Hakimullah Mehsud reportedly killed in drone strike!

ISLAMABAD: Intercepted militant radio communications indicate the leader of the Pakistani Taliban may have been killed in a recent US drone strike, Pakistani intelligence officials said Sunday. A Taliban official denied that.

The claim that the Pakistani Taliban chief was killed came from officials who said they intercepted a number of Taliban radio conversations.

In about a half a dozen intercepts, the militants discussed whether their chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, was killed on Jan. 12 in the North Waziristan tribal area. Some militants confirmed Mehsud was dead, and one criticized others for talking about the issue over the radio.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.

Pakistani Taliban spokesman Asimullah Mehsud denied the group’s leader was killed and said he was not in the area where the drone strike occurred.

In early 2010, both Pakistani and American officials said they believed a missile strike had killed Hakimullah Mehsud along the border of North and South Waziristan. They were proved wrong when videos appeared showing him still alive.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Brad Goodman » 15 Jan 2012 22:11

Anurag wrote:Someone posted this in the previous thread, just making sure it comes through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7d ... _embedded#!


One interesting comment he made was. Pakjabis hate Punjabi language and which translates into them hating every one who loves their mother tongue (Sindhi, Baloch & Pashtu). They have inferiority complex with Punjabi language. We should explore this point. Bajwa ji, Surinder ji you guys are much closer to Punjab & culture to dissect this than most of us can you please take a look

Another point was Zardari is a man of his word. He is ready to die rather than compromise. Now the point I remember is MMS once insulted 10% when he met him ( I guess it was SAARC meet) are we betting onn wrong horse.

Paki army surrenders when officers get killed they dont care about hawaldars

About Lawyers movement he says that lawyers are more talibanazied than bearded jihadis.

During the debate with Tharoor pakis had a big takleef abt cement exports Tarek Fateh tells us cement production is monopoly of TSPA same with textile exports to europe & massaland
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby abhijitm » 15 Jan 2012 22:21

Bad news...
Ambar wrote:Hakimullah Mehsud reportedly killed in drone strike!

He could well be assassinated by his rivals in TTP. Drone strike will make him 'martyr'. Anyway, since he was the arch enemy of TSPA, I am not happy to hear he is dead.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anurag » 15 Jan 2012 22:27

Brad Goodman wrote:
Anurag wrote:Someone posted this in the previous thread, just making sure it comes through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7d ... _embedded#!


One interesting comment he made was. Pakjabis hate Punjabi language and which translates into them hating every one who loves their mother tongue (Sindhi, Baloch & Pashtu). They have inferiority complex with Punjabi language. We should explore this point. Bajwa ji, Surinder ji you guys are much closer to Punjab & culture to dissect this than most of us can you please take a look



I can personally answer this being a Punjabi, the answer is NO. This phenomenon exists with the Pakjabis. Indian Punjabi's are no more of anglophiles than your average Indian.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Brad Goodman » 15 Jan 2012 22:32

Anurag ji thanks for reply and apologies if my question came across as asking about Indian Punjabis. I am never wanted to ask that. I wanted some Punjabi to answer why Pakjabis have developed hatered for Punjabi language where as in India its exact opposite we all want to follow Punjabi language & culture.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anurag » 15 Jan 2012 22:37

None taken :)

I'm your classic Indian however, half punjabi and one half bengali from Delhi!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby anupmisra » 15 Jan 2012 22:57

CRamS wrote:Boss, are you naive or what? What the f$%ck is "international law" BS?


CRamS, what's your problem?

Really! Can you not indulge in a decent discussion with others without shooting off your mouth first? Although your point was clearly spelled out in the second half of your response, and it almost matches mine, do you have to, at the first get-go, go out of your way in all your opening arguments to convince others that you are a jerk? Can you not accept others' points of view as theirs and state yours, and leave it at that? You seem to have made it your goal in life to get on the wrong side of almost everyone on this fora.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby anupmisra » 15 Jan 2012 23:01

Dipanker wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Isn't that the same as the complicity of the average Germans who knew about the holocaust by the Nazis and the concentration camps but did not participate in the actual killings? There is an international law about this situation somewhere, I am sure. IK may have just about spoken out of turn here.


Yes and he is not the only one, there are 100,000 of them Paki genociders who India first save from the Bangladeshis lusting for revenge and then let them go practically scot free. India should have left these savage barbarians in the hand of Bangladeshis who would have butchered them all.


IK is, to my knowledge, the first leading paki politician of that era who has acknowledged knowing about the impending genocide. That is a confession of sorts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby abhishek_sharma » 15 Jan 2012 23:01

>> to convince others that you are a jerk?

And what is your problem?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby CRamS » 15 Jan 2012 23:33

anupmisra wrote:
CRamS wrote:Boss, are you naive or what? What the f$%ck is "international law" BS?


CRamS, what's your problem?

Really! Can you not indulge in a decent discussion with others without shooting off your mouth first? Although your point was clearly spelled out in the second half of your response, and it almost matches mine, do you have to, at the first get-go, go out of your way in all your opening arguments to convince others that you are a jerk? Can you not accept others' points of view as theirs and state yours, and leave it at that? You seem to have made it your goal in life to get on the wrong side of almost everyone on this fora.


My goodness, a simple comment made in jest gets your goat. Jeez, get a sense of humor. As much as people like you call me a jerk for no reason, there several more on this fora who agree wholeheartedly with me. Thank you very much. International law, my bloody foot. Only abject novices like you will believe that there exists some such thing. A TFTA Nazi like Imran Khan whose hatred is directed against India but against the west will find more favor in US, who is the judge and jury when it comes to so called international law, than an SDRE like you. Get that into your thick skull and then come and argue with me on "international law".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby svenkat » 15 Jan 2012 23:50

For once,I agree with CRSji.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Narad » 16 Jan 2012 00:40

Altair wrote:Check out India map in http://maps.google.co.in/
There is no LOC. Entire J&K state is shown as part of India.


Saar, this is as per google India only. google.com still showing LOC.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby g.sarkar » 16 Jan 2012 01:05

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/world ... &ref=world
Bomb Targets Shiite Muslims at Service in Pakistan
By DECLAN WALSH
Published: January 15, 2012
"ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An explosion ripped through a crowd of Shiite Muslims in central Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 17 people in one of the largest such attacks of recent times in Pakistan’s most populous province.
Police said a bomb in Khanpur, a town in southern Punjab province, targeted Shiites as they streamed out of a mosque after a religious ceremony. The local police chief, Sohail Zaffar Chatta, said the device appeared to have been detonated by remote control.
By early evening 17 people had been confirmed killed and 25 injured, with the toll expected to rise. Television pictures from the scene showed black-clad women mourning over a corpse in the street while men angrily remonstrated before the cameras, beating their chests.
The victims had been marking the chelum — a ceremony commemorating the 40th day after the death anniversary of the Prophet Muhammad’s grandson Imam Hussain, a highly revered figure in Shiite Islam......."
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