Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 17 Jan 2012 23:08

USA - naPak relations are going down the hill meanwhile Ayman Al Zawahiri is somewhere sitting at corpse commander's house plotting to take a revenge for Osama's execution.

I haven't heard any news from this no.2 of Al Qaeda in a long long time.

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 17 Jan 2012 23:11

Gunmen Kill VOA Reporter in Pakistan

Gunmen in northwest Pakistan have shot and killed a reporter working for the Voice of America.

Mukarram Khan Aatif, who filed reports for VOA's Deewa Radio, was attacked Tuesday at a mosque near his home in Shabqadar. The town is located roughly 35 kilometers from Peshawar, the capital of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province.

Local police say two assailants on motorcycles arrived at the mosque during evening prayers. One of the men entered the mosque and shot Aatif in the head before fleeing.

Aatif was hospitalized in critical condition, before succumbing to his injuries.

Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told reporters the militant group was responsible for the killing.

Friends of Aatif, who was in his 40's, tell VOA that the journalist had received threats from militants in the past. He and his family had been forced to move to Shabqadar from their home in Mohmand agency due to the threats.

Aatif also worked for the private Pakistani Dunya TV.

Media right activists in Pakistan are condemning Aatif's killing and criticizing the government for not doing enough to protect journalists.

Reporters Without Borders named Pakistan as the deadliest country for journalists for two years in a row, with 10 killed in the country in 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asi ... 85033.html

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2012 23:14

Talking to the Taliban

Even though the Taliban claim that its new Qatar office is being established for precisely this purpose, its violent conduct prior to the Qatar announcement suggests it has no intention of ending the conflict.

The other key factor that stands in the way of an effective peace dialogue is the role of Pakistan in Afghanistan's turbulent political landscape. Although the official position of Pakistan's government is that it supports the U.S.-led Nato effort to defeat the Taliban and restore political stability to Afghanistan, many senior Pakistani security officials continue to support radical elements of the Taliban, many of whom have a long-standing relationship with Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency.

One reason that both the Taliban and Pakistan are so unwilling to invest much political capital in peace talks is that, so far as they are concerned, Mr Obama has already run up the white flag in Afghanistan by ordering the withdrawal of American forces to begin this summer – in good time for November's presidential election contest. By setting a deadline of 2014 for the complete withdrawal of U.S. combat forces Mr Obama has completely undermined the effectiveness of the strategy he set out in his West Point speech. Instead of intensifying the military pressure on the Taliban, at a stroke Mr Obama has signalled that he is more interested in bringing home U.S. troops than making sure they achieve their mission objectives in Afghanistan.

Consequently Taliban leaders know that, rather than being forced to the negotiating table, all they have to do is wait for the Americans to leave before they make their next move.

If that remains the case, and the decision to open the Qatar office is nothing more than a stalling tactic on the part of the Taliban, then Mr Obama will have no one but himself to blame for failing to achieve a peace settlement in Afghanistan. For if he were really serious about winning the war in Afghanistan, he would keep the troops deployed until their mission had been achieved, rather than ordering their premature withdrawal.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2012 23:19

What is Deewa Radio?
Looks like a rip off of Dawa Radio.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 17 Jan 2012 23:26

Bad neuj for all you jingoes. Normal programming has been stopped.

Even though we haven't achieved the target of "72 meet their 72" on a weekly basis.

May IED mubarak start again soon.

Regretfully yours,

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Jan 2012 00:27

China banking on Pakistan for India intel?

Is there a tie-up between Chinese and Pakistani agencies to share intelligence on India?

There is mounting evidence within the Indian intelligence agencies that suggests that China's ministry of state security (MSS) has outsourced collection of vital intelligence including aspects of Tibetan activity in India from Pakistan's ISI as the latter had better penetration in the sub-continent.

Beijing's key interest is in the Dalai Lama set-up and is closely watching the Indian involvement in the Tibetan government-in-exile in Dharamsala. With Bangladesh not allowing NE insurgent groups to target India from its territory and Myanmar making similar noises, insurgents are getting monetary and logistics support from Yunan province in south China.

However, it is the flip-side of this tie-up that is worrying India. A section of the Indian intelligence community feels that ISI could exacerbate tensions with China by exaggerating New Delhi's role in the Tibetan movement. Even though India has little to do with the Tibetan set-up, the perception is that it is the ISI, which has made the MSS suspicious of India's involvement.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jan 2012 04:12

Nepal is the hub for information collection and distribution

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 18 Jan 2012 04:45

Received over email. What does one make of these strands, ignore the Pakistani biases for the Moghuls in the post.

Subject: A moving account by a Muslim from Pakistan

Happy 542nd Birthday

Please read this account by a Muslim from Pakistan

This week millions of Sikhs and their friends around the world are celebrating Gurpurab, but few outside India know the significance of this day or its history.

It’s the 542nd birth anniversary of Guru Nanak, the founder of the Sikh faith and one of the greatest symbols of pluralism and tolerance in the world.

Mahatma Gandhi may epitomize India in the West, but he is just one of the many towering figures of history that have shaped the land, its culture and its religions. Poets such as Tagore and Iqbal immortalized India in verse while emperors like Asoka and Akbar ruled over dazzling domains that stunned the visitor.

Among the great philosophers and thinkers that India gifted to the world are two men who tower above the rest- Buddha and Guru Nanak, the founders of Buddhism and Sikhism. While Buddha is well known in the West as a result of his creed and followers, Guru Nanak, whose birthday we celebrate today is yet to be discovered.

Let this Muslim introduce you to the man who founded the world’s youngest religion, Sikhism and who had a profound role in shaping my Punjabi heritage, alas, one that was torn to shreds by the bloody partition of India in August 1947.

Today, the place where Guru Nanak was born in 1469 is a city that was ethnically cleansed of its entire Sikh population during the bloodbath of 1947.

Nankana Sahib, a place where the Guru spent his childhood with Muslim and Hindu friends are a Bethlehem without Christians; a Medina without Muslims.

For a few days the town will bustle with Sikh pilgrims from all over the world, but soon they will depart and nary a turban will be seen until the Sikhs return next year.

The city of Nankana Sahib lies near Lahore, my maternal ancestral home, where my mother and father were born. My mother told me how she as a Muslim girl grew up with Sikh neighbors and how she was part of the Sikh family’s celebrations at the time of Gurpurab and how she would travel with her friend to Nankana Sahib. Decades later she would still recall her lost friend who left Pakistan to seek refuge across the border. Today Nankana Sahib celebrates, but there are no Muslim girls accompanying their Sikh friends.

None.

It is sad.

Sad, because Sikhism and Guru Nanak were intertwined with Islam and Muslims. The Guru’s closest companion was a Muslim by the name of Bhai Mardana. It is said when Mardana was dying, the Guru asked him, how would you like to die? As a Muslim? To which the ailing companion replied, “As a human being.”

Five hundred years later, a border divides Muslim and Sikh Punjabis. A border where two nuclear armies and a million men face each other. As a Muslim Punjabi I feel the British in dividing Punjab separated my soul from my body and left the two to survive on their own. Muslim Punjabis lost their neighbours and family friends of generations. Most of all they lost their language that today languishes as a second-class tongue in its own home. We kept Nankana Sahib, but lost the Guru.

However, the tragedy that befell the Sikhs was far more ominous and deserves special mention. For Sikhs, the Punjabi cities of Lahore and Gujranwala, Nankana Sahib and Rawalpindi were their hometowns and had shared a history with their Gurus. With the 1947 Partition, not only was Punjab divided, but the Sikhs were ethnically cleansed from Pakistan’s Punjab.

As a result of the creation of the Islamic State of Pakistan, the Sikhs lost absolute access to the following holy sites: Gurdwara Janam Asthan, the birthplace of Guru Nanak, in Nankana Sahib; Gurdwara Punja Sahib in Hasan Abdal; Gurdwara Dera Sahib in Lahore, where the Fifth Guru, Arjan, was martyred; Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib in Kartarpur, where Guru Nanak died; and, of course, the Memorial to Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Emperor of Punjab, in Lahore.

When the killings and cleansing of 1947 ended, not a single Sikh was visible in Lahore. Of course, Muslims too were chased out of the eastern parts of Punjab, but they were not losing their holy places of Mecca or Medina.

Even though we Muslims despair the occupation of Jerusalem, we still have the comfort of knowing that Muslims still live in and around the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

But what about the Sikhs?

To feel their pain, Muslims need to imagine how outraged we would feel if, God forbid, Mecca and Medina were cleansed of all Muslims and fell under the occupation of, say, Ethiopia. How can we Muslims ask for the liberation of Muslim lands while we institutionalize the exclusion and ethnic cleansing of all Sikhs from their holy sites inside an Islamic state? Muslims who cannot empathize with the loss of the Sikhs need to ask themselves why they don’t.

Before 1947, Punjabi Muslims did not consider Sikhism as an adversarial faith. After all, from the Muslim perspective, Sikhism was the combination of the teachings of Sufism, which was rooted in Islamic thought and the Bhakti movement, an organic link to Hindu philosophy. It is true that Moghul emperors had been particularly vicious and cruel to the leaders of the Sikh faith, but these Moghuls were not acting as representatives of Islam. Not only that, the Moghuls inflicted even harsher punishments on their fellow Muslims. With the creation of Pakistan, the Sikhs lost something even more precious than their holy places: diverse sub cultural streams. One such stream flourishing in Thal region (Sind Sagar Doab) in what is now Pakistan, near Punjab’s border with Sind and Baluchistan, was known as the “Sewa Panthis.”

The Sewa Panthi tradition flourished in southwest Punjab for nearly 12 generations until 1947. This sect (variously known as Sewa Panthis, Sewa Dassiey, and Addan Shahis), is best symbolized by Bhai Ghanniyya who, though himself a Sikh, aided wounded Sikh and Muslim soldiers alike during the Tenth Sikh Guru’s wars with the Moghuls. Sewa Panthis wore distinctive white robes.

They introduced a new dimension to the sub continental religious philosophies. They believed that sewa (helping the needy) was the highest form of spiritual meditation - higher than singing hymns or reciting holy books. The creation of Pakistan dealt a devastating blow to the Sewa Panthis and they never got truly transplanted in the new “East” Punjab.

The organic relationship between philosophies and land, indeed, requires native soil for ideas to bloom. Other such sects and deras (groups) that made up the composite Sikh faith of the 19th and early 20th centuries included Namdharis, Nirankaris, Radha Soamis, Nirmaley, and Sidhs - all were pushed to the margins, or even out of Sikhism, after the partition.

The tragedy of the division of Punjab is best captured in a moving poem by the first prominent woman Sikh/Punjabi poet, novelist, and essayist Amrita Pritam, “Ujj akhaan Waris Shah noo” (An Ode to Waris Shah), which she is said to have written while escaping in a train with her family from Pakistan to India.

Pritam wrote:

ujj aakhaN Waris Shah nuuN,
kithoN kabraaN vichchoN bol,
tay ujj kitab-e ishq daa koii aglaa varkaa phol
ik roii sii dhii punjaab dii, tuuN likh likh maare vaen,
ujj lakhaaN dhiiaaN rondiaN,
tainuN Waris Shah nuN kahen
uTh dardmandaaN diaa dardiaa,
uth takk apnaa Punjab
aaj bele lashaaN bichhiaaN te lahu dii bharii Chenab

(Today, I beckon you Waris Shah,
Speak from inside your grave.
And to your book of love, add the next page.
Once when a single daughter of Punjab wept, you wrote a wailing saga.
Today, a million daughters cry to you, Waris Shah.
Rise, O friend of the grieving; rise and see your own Punjab,
Today, fields lined with corpses, and the Chenab flowing with blood.)

As I celebrate the birth anniversary of Guru Nanak I read some profound words of wisdom he left for his Muslim friends.

He wrote:

Make mercy your Mosque,
Faith your Prayer Mat,
what is just and lawful your Qu’ran,
Modesty your Circumcision,
and civility your fast.
So shall you be a Muslim.
Make right conduct your Ka’aba,
Truth your Pir, and
good deeds your Kalma and prayers.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 18 Jan 2012 04:50

is the towels dhaaga still around. an apt one for it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jan 2012 05:24

Anujan wrote:The trial of Mumbai attackers has been adjourned till Jan 28, because Lakhvi's lawyer died and he wants time to appoint a new lawyer.

SSridhar-ji, do you want to add this to the Mumbai trial perfidy post?

Anujan, please x-post there. We have to chronicle all that.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 18 Jan 2012 05:29

Jingos have to watch this piece by Gingrich on TSP/OBL.
Newt Gingrich on America's enemies

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 18 Jan 2012 05:35

Muslims do not care about Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji and Amrita Pritam was an idiot (just like Nayyar, Thapar, Gujral, etc) to write this poem

ujj aakhaN Waris Shah nuuN,
kithoN kabraaN vichchoN bol,
tay ujj kitab-e ishq daa koii aglaa varkaa phol
ik roii sii dhii punjaab dii, tuuN likh likh maare vaen,
ujj lakhaaN dhiiaaN rondiaN,
tainuN Waris Shah nuN kahen
uTh dardmandaaN diaa dardiaa,
uth takk apnaa Punjab
aaj bele lashaaN bichhiaaN te lahu dii bharii Chenab

(Today, I beckon you Waris Shah,
Speak from inside your grave.
And to your book of love, add the next page.
Once when a single daughter of Punjab wept, you wrote a wailing saga.
Today, a million daughters cry to you, Waris Shah.
Rise, O friend of the grieving; rise and see your own Punjab,
Today, fields lined with corpses, and the Chenab flowing with blood.)

---

Bottomline is written on the wall by Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa and that is to KICK naPAKI ASS every 2-3 years to make them realize their AUKAT of born out of rape and rapine by their Arabian/Turkish/etc fathers!!

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 18 Jan 2012 06:50

Pukes always

about yahoodi/mossad kanspiracies, and looks like they were on to something:

False Flag

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Jan 2012 07:18

What is it about the practise of Mohammaddenism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that makes it not uncommon for people following Mohammaddenism to be murdered in Mosques by their co-religionists?

Does being an.”Ideological Muslim State” or “Citadel of Islam” or “Sole Muslim Nuclear Power” or “safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent” grant some warped kind of acceptability for Muslims killing other Muslims praying in Mosques in Pakistan?:

Gunmen kill journalist in Pakistan mosque

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Jan 2012 07:21

Probably easy targets and as its hard to escape

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jan 2012 08:02

arun wrote:What is it about the practise of Mohammaddenism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that makes it not uncommon for people following Mohammaddenism to be murdered in Mosques by their co-religionists?

That's one way of saying "Heck we are unable to stop killing each other - so killing you guys is nothing. Stop complaining. You think you guys have a problem from Mohammedans, but look at us!"

Or alternatively and much more troubling:

"Stop complaining that I raped your daughter. I raped my own as well"

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Jan 2012 09:29

NSFW!! NSFW!! NSFW!!

Guess who makes a guest appearance at 2:46 of this NSFW video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0QvR1eP2yg

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 Jan 2012 09:36

^^^^

Great find Anujanulla!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Jan 2012 09:47

Anujan wrote:NSFW!!

Guess who makes a guest appearance at 2:46 of this NSFW video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0QvR1eP2yg

whoa!!

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 18 Jan 2012 10:17

who is that guy?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Jan 2012 10:19

devesh wrote:who is that guy?

Mansoor Ijaz.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 18 Jan 2012 10:19

devesh wrote:who is that guy?

Mansoor Ijaz?? wtf!!!!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Jan 2012 10:32

Anujanullah, that's a more successful coup than Mansoor Ijaz ever managed to pull off!

So the trusted face of Paki respectability in Washington, friend of Mike Mullen etc. can boast of an illustrious career as a two-bit extra in sleazy C-grade soft ***** movies. Too good.

atma · Post by **atma** » 18 Jan 2012 10:45

anishns wrote:
devesh wrote:who is that guy?
Mansoor Ijaz?? wtf!!!!

Video was uploaded in 2009, fellow looks a little younger...it is still possible

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jan 2012 10:45

Rudradev wrote:

Anujanullah, that's a more successful coup than Mansoor Ijaz ever managed to pull off!

So the trusted face of Paki respectability in Washington, friend of Mike Mullen etc. can boast of an illustrious career as a two-bit extra in sleazy C-grade soft ***** movies. Too good.

Hmmm .this may be usable..

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 18 Jan 2012 10:52

atma wrote:
Video was uploaded in 2009, fellow looks a little younger...it is still possible

So getting Ho's to fight for money is his old hobby

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 18 Jan 2012 11:01

Saw it on twitter earlier. I don't think it is him, but go ahead.

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 18 Jan 2012 11:12

MurthyB wrote:Pukes always about yahoodi/mossad kanspiracies, and looks like they were on to something:
False Flag

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah -- a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

They should have known, after-all Pakistan was providing sanctuary to Jundallah terrorists

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 18 Jan 2012 11:14

Here is Mansoor Ijaz from a few months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lxIj_rnFtI

The voice sounds similar.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Jan 2012 11:16

The right response
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_4

Pakistan also wasted its chance. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in the US had provided Pakistan with a golden opportunity to get rid of the Afghan and other militants and the 55-year-old religio-political mindset of its elite. Pakistan should have declared war against the terrorists before the US did. The Pakistani army should have entered Afghanistan before the US forces did. Or the least Pakistan could do for its eternal good was to become an active partner in the war: the Pakistani forces should have joined the NATO forces within Afghanistan.

Apparently it looks as if the presumption put forward was not workable. How could the Pakistan Army, which carried an extra load of Islamic dynamics, agree to wage a war against its own creation, the Taliban; particularly when it was certain that the war would not remain confined to Afghanistan, and it would also spread to Pakistan?

Pakistan did not respond rightly to the changed situation. Pakistan did not act first. Nor did it become an active partner. It became a facilitator, a perplexed ally, of the US. It agreed to intelligence sharing, and to provide routes for logistics and bases for bombardment.

Despite Pakistan remaining away from a proactive war in Afghanistan, the militants started a war within Pakistan. For the Pakistani army it meant facing with less strength, lesser outside support, the same terrible things as it would have faced being an initiator or partner in the war against extremists. Not putting the whole weight behind the allies did not help. Rather, it created an environment of suspicion.

What Pakistan did also meant that when the war would be won, it would be the choice of the allies what degree they would accommodate Pakistan in the Afghan affairs. This is what is happening since two years — since peace started appearing in Afghanistan. While every country that matters is one way or the other present in Afghanistan, Pakistan is almost out.

The time for action in Afghanistan has passed, but Pakistan can still act. Pakistan can still become the centre of the region. Blocking the NATO supply routes and not attending important congregations like the one held at Bonn will not help. All that Pakistan has to do is to declare, wholeheartedly, a war against extremist thoughts and activities in Pakistan, and also against those foreign militants who live in Pakistan and are most active in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border belt.

Our military and media keep on telling us that the war in Afghanistan will be won only through a dialogue with the Taliban. The ground realities tell a different story. NATO has almost won the war. There are not many Taliban sympathisers in today’s Afghanistan. Factually there were not many Taliban sympathisers in Afghanistan even when the Taliban were the rulers. The Taliban ruled Afghanistan with the support of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia — and in the beginning with the support of the US also. The talks being held presently between the Americans and the so-called Taliban leaders is not because of any necessity. It is one of the final propaganda touches being given to an endgame.

Similarly, the Pakhtun nationalism as propagated by our media and strategic experts too does not exist in Afghanistan. What exists over there is that the Pakhtun population is busy in the state affairs and round-the-clock economic activities. However, peace achieved in Afghanistan is still fragile for reasons related to the Pak-Afghan border. This is why the US before the withdrawal of a majority of its troops in 2014 would go to any length to ensure that the hard earned peace is not disturbed in Afghanistan. Any length does not mean waging a war. However, it definitely means using all kind of means and machines to make the Pak-Afghan border impregnable to a required length and breadth.

Hillary Clinton recently suggested turning the turmoil-ridden border into a regional trade hub. It is the only way out. Pakistan does not have much time to waste. Pakistan has to be part of this great transformation. The Pakistani security establishment must understand that strategic depth today does not mean an extension of boundaries. It means either strategic alliance or expansion of the economy. While no country is interested in making a strategic alliance with Pakistan, the whole world — including India — is ready to help Pakistan expand its economy, provided a democratic Pakistan becomes stable and safe/free of religious extremism.

True, a 64-year-old agenda cannot be replaced so quickly with a four-year-old agenda but let us struggle with clarity. Inside Pakistan it will take time to change the religio-political mindset. Inside the Pak-Afghan border belt, bringing about a change is a matter of months. Let us do it. Let us save ourselves from the tragedies that we will continuously face in case the Pak-Afghan border belt remains in turmoil.

member_21708 · Post by **member_21708** » 18 Jan 2012 11:22

arun wrote:What is it about the practise of Mohammaddenism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that makes it not uncommon for people following Mohammaddenism to be murdered in Mosques by their co-religionists?

Does being an.”Ideological Muslim State” or “Citadel of Islam” or “Sole Muslim Nuclear Power” or “safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent” grant some warped kind of acceptability for Muslims killing other Muslims praying in Mosques in Pakistan?:

Gunmen kill journalist in Pakistan mosque

you should have listened to the audio chat, between taliban commander and a pakistani army soldier, posted by gupta sometime back.

"those muslims who dont follow correct version of islam are kufr, mosques used by such kufr can be attacked and kufr inside them can be killed"- this according to opinion of the scholar

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Jan 2012 11:29

SECOND EDITORIAL: Policies doomed to fail
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_1

A three-member bench of the Supreme Court (SC) has rejected a report — aimed at improving the law and order situation in Balochistan — presented by the Advocate General (AG) of Balochistan Amanullah Kunrani on behalf of the chief secretary of Balochistan. Terming the situation in Balochistan a “total failure of law and order”, Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has directed the AG to submit all reports on the security situation of the province by the civilian intelligence agencies in the last three months. He added that if deemed appropriate, the SC would get reports from the ISI too. The chief justice must know that the ISI and the military are the ones from which reports must be sought in the first place as it is they who are accused of the kill and dump policy that has aggravated the law and order situation in the province.

Meanwhile, 10 insurgents belonging to Balochistan’s biggest and most powerful Marri tribe have been killed by the Frontier Corps (FC) in the Behlol area near the Chamalang coalfield. Unverified reports say that jets strafed and bombed the insurgents, hence the high casualties suffered by them. It was only a month ago that the insurgents killed 15 FC personnel in the same area. From an initially small number of casualties, the trajectory of loss of life has only intensified in the province. The Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) has often carried out attacks to disrupt the coalfield project and it is by providing heavy security to the Chamalang coalfield and ensuring the uninterrupted transport out of coal that the military hope to win the hearts and minds of the local tribals by giving them a share of the earnings from coal. The military needs to understand that these tactics aimed at defusing the anger of the people of Balochistan and winning them over will not work whilst they simultaneously continue their repression through their kill and dump policy. It is simply a case of slow genocide, whereby the army is attempting to decapitate the entire Baloch intelligentsia, only to inadvertently thereby become the best recruitment agency for the guerrillas. Each member of the intelligentsia killed by the military means a dozen more added to the insurgency. With this policy, the military is only stoking separatist sentiment in the province.*

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Jan 2012 11:37

An article written entirely for praising mushy. The writer is Chairman, Moderates - a Think Tank strengthening tolerance, inter-faith harmony and democracy.
The tide is turning…

There were those who may have accepted Musharraf’s economic achievements but could not swallow what they described as his ‘quasi-democracy.’ All they wanted the country to undergo was an election process, making way for what would be, in their opinion, a ‘true’ democracy. This is exactly what Syed Pervez Musharraf made possible in his capacity as President of Pakistan by conducting elections in February 2008 and making way for a PPP-led coalition to take the reins of government. But it was very soon after this setup came into power, that its ineptness began to unravel in all areas of governance and it became abundantly clear that the country had sacrificed an era of much-needed economic growth at the altar of a democratic polity. Perhaps it would have been much better to lay the foundations of a strong economy and create a well educated and politically empowered urban middle class while at the same time working on an electoral process that would break away from the patronage-based feudal ‘democracy ‘ under whose burden Pakistan continues to flounder.

So he wants to praise a dictator for his achievements where democracy has failed and at the same time he is standing for strengthening of democracy also. wah ji wah..

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Jan 2012 11:39

Pakistan says "not possible" for U.S. envoy to visit: official

(Reuters) - Pakistan has told U.S. special envoy Marc Grossman that it is "not possible at the moment" for him to visit the country, a senior government official told Reuters on Wednesday, a move that could heighten tensions between the uneasy allies.

He did not elaborate on the reasons.

Relations between Islamabad and Washington plunged to the lowest point in years when a NATO cross-border air attack killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on November 26.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 18 Jan 2012 13:29

Wests romancing of the Taliban

Excellent article by Praveen Swami in 'The Hindu'.Nothing BRFites do not know,but a hard hitting article in a mainstream paper.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Jan 2012 13:57

you should have listened to the audio chat, between taliban commander and a pakistani army soldier, posted by gupta sometime back.

"those muslims who dont follow correct version of islam are kufr, mosques used by such kufr can be attacked and kufr inside them can be killed"- this according to opinion of the scholar

Same logic was used by TTP in a public statement after they had hallaled tons of TSPA afsars and their families in a raid on a Rawalpindi cantonment mosque 2 years back..

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 18 Jan 2012 14:18

http://biggovernment.com/rohragohmert/2 ... e-taliban/

An article by two republican senators Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
who met NA leaders in Berlin recently.

The State Department even went to extraordinary links to attempt preventing the writers from meeting with the Northern Alliance leaders.

we have politically and militarily undermined the natural and historic barrier to the Taliban, which is the non-Pashtun peoples of the North, Central and Western parts of Afghanistan.

A Northern Alliance leader says that of the more than 800 Taliban detainees that have been released, he is now seeing many of them fighting, killing and terrorizing again. Yet, the Northern Alliance leaders are being effectively shut out of the plans for the way forward, while being demonized by the American government they helped.

Perhaps we should even consider support for a Balochistan carved out of Pakistan to diminish radical power there also. Surely, leaving Afghanistan to the same terrorist thugs who enabled the September 11th attacks is the very definition of insanity

Inspite of some obfuscation,light dawning in duplicitee.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jan 2012 14:31

And here we give quotas

Hindu doctors gunned down in Pakistan

member_20617 · Post by **member_20617** » 18 Jan 2012 14:46

vikramd wrote:
arun wrote:What is it about the practise of Mohammaddenism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that makes it not uncommon for people following Mohammaddenism to be murdered in Mosques by their co-religionists?

Does being an.”Ideological Muslim State” or “Citadel of Islam” or “Sole Muslim Nuclear Power” or “safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent” grant some warped kind of acceptability for Muslims killing other Muslims praying in Mosques in Pakistan?:

Gunmen kill journalist in Pakistan mosque
you should have listened to the audio chat, between taliban commander and a pakistani army soldier, posted by gupta sometime back.

"those muslims who dont follow correct version of islam are kufr, mosques used by such kufr can be attacked and kufr inside them can be killed"- this according to opinion of the scholar

So who decides what is the ‘correct’ version of Islam?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jan 2012 14:49

Shankaraa wrote:
So who decides what is the ‘correct’ version of Islam?

The man with the Kalashnikov. Jiski lathi uski bhains