Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby shiv » 31 Jan 2012 15:33



There is a new disease that is now increasingly being recognised. It is rampant in the UK and US and like multiple drug resistant bacteria it can spread into India. It's called "Pakagnosia". Pakagnosia is the inability to recognise Pakiness and Pakistaniyat even when it turns its ass up and farts directly into your nose.

Those British immigration and other officials in that news item have Pakagnosia.

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Postby RajeshA » 31 Jan 2012 15:57

shiv wrote:There is a new disease that is now increasingly being recognised. It is rampant in the UK and US and like multiple drug resistant bacteria it can spread into India. It's called "Pakagnosia". Pakagnosia is the inability to recognise Pakiness and Pakistaniyat even when it turns its ass up and farts directly into your nose.

shiv saar,

Along with Pakagnosia, there is also another severe disease afflicting India's WKK brigade and many many Americans. It is called Pakgullibilitis! Whereas Pakagnosia usually occurs to people who are otherwise healthy but have little resistance to Pak perfidy, Pakgullibilitis often is seen with people who have a certain addiction to Paki chiprihchuprhiness.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby rajanb » 31 Jan 2012 15:58

why don't they deport them since some have recieved suspended sentences?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Virendra » 31 Jan 2012 16:33

RamaY wrote:Sri Lalit Man Singh is the one who is naive here. What is he expecting to do with Pakistan?
- Kill all Pakistanis, 187+ million of them? India's secularism doesn't permit that!!!
- Destroy Paki Army? Doesn't it hurt Pakistani sentiments; a non-muslim India killing Muslim jihadi army?
- Occupy Pakistan? Didn't we learn anything from America's unsuccessful wars on Iraq and Afghanistan?

That leaves only one option - Peace with Pakistan

Keeping Pakistan busy with itself (like today) is also an option.
We cannot credit ourselves for the current Pakistani situation as distracted as it is, but should try to at least maintain status quo if not something better.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby hulaku » 31 Jan 2012 17:19

Seven soldiers, 25 militants killed in Kurram clashes
PESHAWAR: Dozens of heavily armed Taliban militants attacked a Pakistani military post on Tuesday, sparking clashes that killed seven soldiers and wounded another 10, the military said.
http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/31/seven-soldiers-25-militants-killed-in-kurram-clash.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby gakakkad » 31 Jan 2012 18:31

shiv wrote: There is a new disease that is now increasingly being recognised. It is rampant in the UK and US and like multiple drug resistant bacteria it can spread into India. It's called "Pakagnosia". Pakagnosia is the inability to recognise Pakiness and Pakistaniyat even when it turns its ass up and farts directly into your nose.

Those British immigration and other officials in that news item have Pakagnosia.



:rotfl: :rotfl:

You have exceeded your self sire .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Dilbu » 31 Jan 2012 19:27

There should be one 'pakpasandomania' for the likes of MSA.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 31 Jan 2012 20:02

Fighting over Pakistani mountaintop kills over 60
PARACHINAR, Pakistan—Fighting between soldiers and Taliban militants over a strategic mountaintop in northwestern Pakistan has killed more than 60 people, a government official said Tuesday

The militants retaliated Tuesday by attacking the soldiers who were trying to hold the location, touching off another round of fighting that killed 10 troops and more than 30 insurgents, said Khan. The area is home to militants loyal to Pakistani Taliban commander Hakimullah Mehsud

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby RamaY » 31 Jan 2012 20:29

shiv wrote:


There is a new disease that is now increasingly being recognised. It is rampant in the UK and US and like multiple drug resistant bacteria it can spread into India. It's called "Pakagnosia". Pakagnosia is the inability to recognise Pakiness and Pakistaniyat even when it turns its ass up and farts directly into your nose.

Those British immigration and other officials in that news item have Pakagnosia.


Let us go slow on these Pakis.

These siblings are trying to circumvent inhumane British immigration laws, which grant permanent resident cards to spouses but not siblings. There is no evidence that these siblings consummated that marriage in-spite of their legal and public image, so let us give them some credit. Our just demand should be to loosen these laws to grant permanent residency to any and every Paki.

This reminds me of the brouhaha we have seen (including on this forum) on the couple who got expelled/killed (dont remember) in India as they married against the social norm of marriage against people of same-gotra.

In our hyper-excitement to piskoligize everything-paki, let us not lose our intellect.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby archan » 31 Jan 2012 20:40


If you read the comments, and if you have seen the pakis behave on the internet for a few years, you will find a strange enthusiasm to condemn this among some commenters who make sure that they use Muslim sounding names and display their location as UK or Pakistan. I smell a PR agency trying to save some paki H&D and portray that pakis are the most modern, law-abiding bunch. I suspect this trend will continue in related news wherever pakis are found to be guilty.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby abhijitm » 31 Jan 2012 20:54

Why drone strikes are so rare now days? Unfortunately it looks like hakimullah mehsud is still alive. Taliban, whichever it is, should not be allowed to consolidate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby RamaY » 31 Jan 2012 21:02

^ Actually it should be encouraged to consolidate and rule an area, preferably the region between Sindh and Persia. There is too much accumulated karma that needs to be fulfilled. That will also ensure that
- The rest of the sub-continent understands the problem for what it truly is, and
- Makes a deliberate attempt to remove it from its midst.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Feb 2012 04:57

Pakistan is helping Afghan Taliban, says Nato report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16821218

Ya arrah, La-whore-via-kuwait, what's the world coming upto where the purelanders of proxytute (TM Hakim saab) are being blamed left-right-center by the evil Yahoodi-Isai media.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Feb 2012 06:31

Pliss to watch "30th Jan episode part 2 of Aapas ki Baat" where Maulaner Fazlu-Rahe-na-Iman is trying to pull the sun roof lever for himself by talking against establishment and also asking the awam to reduce difai (defence) budget - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijuy1FdgK98&feature=player_embedded#!

All parts available here - http://www.zemtv.com/2012/01/30/aapas-ki-baat-30th-january-2012/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Feb 2012 06:39

Pakistan’s rush for more bombs — why?
By Pervez Hoodbhoy 29th Jan ' 2012

http://tribune.com.pk/story/328922/pakistans-rush-for-more-bombs--why/

Na tu zameen ke liye hai na aasman ke liye.... tera wajood hai ab sirf daastan ke liye.....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby SSridhar » 01 Feb 2012 07:37

Shaashtanga wrote:Pakistan is helping Afghan Taliban, says Nato report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16821218


What's new ? Their troops in Afghanistan say this, field commanders say this, ISAF chief says this, CENTCOM chief says this, NATO says this, US Joint Chief says this, the CIA analysts say this, CIA Chief says this, think-tanks have said this, books have been written, Congressional Research Reports say this, Congressmen/Senators say this, Defence Secretary says this, Secretary of State says this, even the PotUS has said this. But, Pakistan is not punished to the extent such acts of duplicity would normally demand.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Nandu » 01 Feb 2012 07:52

X-Post from Indo-US thread. Obama's interview yesterday had two questions that touched on Pakistan

"Why give money to Pakistan" at 21:10.
Question on drones (where Obama admits to drone attacks in Pakistan) at 26:20.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Feb 2012 08:19

^^ good find Nanduji.
I saw a few mins of the start then fast forwarded to 22:10, i was amazed by the number of -aa-'s in Obamer's response about proxytute, on maybe answering most other questions Obamer was fluent but when it came to proxytute he went into a tailspin, i have done a voice to text of what he spoke and the number of -aa's- is simply amazing. Can the learned maulaners please do some pisko-analysis that why does the el-presidente of the worlds richest / righteous / most powerfull & awesome nation in the world go into a tailspin like this? hain.....

I -aa- do -aa- agree that -aa- a country like -aa- pakistan -aa- is one where our relations have gotten more strained -aa- because -aa- there are -aa- a lot of -aa- extremists inside that country and either for lack of capacity or political will they haven't taken them all on and in some cases they have been very co-operative with us and in other cases not as much as we want -aa- so we are always trying to find the right balance -aa- of making sure -aa- that if we are providing them with aid they are also proving us in terms of making -aa- our people safer -aa- and there are times when they disappoint -aa- us in terms of their performance but -aa- we are gonna keep on trying to engage as many countries as possible mainly as its good for our national security.

-aaaaahhhhhhhh-

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Raja Bose » 01 Feb 2012 08:20

^^^Around 26:00, he explicitly admits that they pay bribes and hafta to terrorist nations to ensure US doesn't get attacked.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Feb 2012 08:29

SSridhar wrote:
Shaashtanga wrote:Pakistan is helping Afghan Taliban, says Nato report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16821218


What's new ? Their troops in Afghanistan say this, field commanders say this, ISAF chief says this, CENTCOM chief says this, NATO says this, US Joint Chief says this, the CIA analysts say this, CIA Chief says this, think-tanks have said this, books have been written, Congressional Research Reports say this, Congressmen/Senators say this, Defence Secretary says this, Secretary of State says this, even the PotUS has said this. But, Pakistan is not punished to the extent such acts of duplicity would normally demand.


Sridhar garu, i am simply amazed by even trying to imagine what could the proxytute be doing for the great khan (in terms of cexual pleazure) to have been showered with so many gifts, even though the proxytute continuosly threatens to pull a Bobbit on Khan or is it that Khan is into extreme BDSM & SM whereby the Khan showers more and more gifts and forgives all perdify against him by the leather clad proxytute the more pain she gives to him.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Prem » 01 Feb 2012 10:08

http://www.nationaljournal.com/national ... l-20120131
We May Get to See Some of Bin Laden's Death Photos After All
The American public may finally bear witness to some, but probably not all, of the postmortem images of Osama bin Laden taken on the night he was killed in Pakistan. That's the conclusion of Dan Metcalfe, the former director of the Justice Department's Office of Information and Privacy, after reading the government's response in a lawsuit from activist group Judicial Watch seeking "all photographs and/or video recordings" taken during the raid in Pakistan.“If you look closely at one small segment of the government's brief, it in effect concedes that there are reasonably segregable, nonexempt portions of the records that are legally required to be disclosed," Metcalfe told The Atlantic Wire.Initially, the Justice Department had argued that all 52 records of bin Laden were exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. However, in its response brief filed on Wednesday, Metcalfe says DOJ raised the possibility that portions of images or video of the Qaida leader could be disclosed without "core" harm to national security. The passage in question (p. 10) raises the possibility that "sensitive information about specific intelligence methods or specific military operations could be redacted from the records."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anujan » 01 Feb 2012 10:19

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/31/administration_briefs_senate_leaders_on_taliban_transfer

Top Obama administration officials briefed eight senior Senate leaders Tuesday on a pending deal to transfer as many as five Taliban prisoners from the U.S. detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, to Qatar.....Levin told reporters Tuesday that the briefing was "about the ongoing Taliban reconciliation efforts." Levin is open to the idea of transferring Taliban members to Qatar, but said the devil was in the details....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Prem » 01 Feb 2012 10:32

The art of Begging

Govt and military united on policy towards US: Sherry
WASHINGTON: Pakistan has one united policy towards the United States, which has the support of all government institutions, says Ambassador Sherry Rehman, she has also emphasised the need to dispel the impression that Pakistani institutions are divided over the country’s relationship with Washington.
“Pakistan speaks today as one united government, and we will have one united policy towards the United States,” she told a group of Pakistani journalists.“The elected government will stand firm in its resolve to protect our military when our soldiers are martyred in the line of duty, as they were on border post of Salala, and the military stands committed to defend our borders from any incursion to the last man.”She noted that the Pakistani military was also strongly committed to defending the current democratic set-up in the country and there’s no threat to the government from any quarters.Ambassador Rehman also emphasised the need to work with the Pakistani-American community for promoting Pakistan’s interests in the United States.“This embassy is not going to work alone in Washington. It is going to work with the community to attempt to change the way this important bilateral relationship works,” she said.“The task here is onerous. No one person or even group of committed officials can achieve what we can together as a force multiplier for common goals.”The ambassador acknowledged that these were not “normal times” for Pakistan-US relations as in the last few months, both sides had witnessed repeated episodes where a lack of mutual trust and mutual respect had undermined the bilateral relationship.
She noted that for the first time in the history of Pakistan, a comprehensive parliamentary review was under way to establish new principles on which to base Pakistan’s ties with the United States.The review is likely to be completed in the next few weeks and will represent a multi-partisan parliamentary consensus, which will have the support of the Pakistani public, and the imprimatur of democracy.“A strong Pakistan-US relationship is both still viable and productive, and is vital to protecting peace, promoting security and preserving democracy and freedoms in our part of the world,” she said.
The ambassador noted that as great political and economic shifts took place in the world, critics of a strong US-Pakistan relationship were questioning its viability in both nations, “yet I feel we can use this opportunity to re-set our relationship on a clearer, more stable footing based on public consent and strong mutually articulated goals that are achievable”.“The message that I carry from Islamabad is loud and clear. We want to remain friends with the United States, but as equal sovereigns, based on mutual respect and shared values,” she added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anujan » 01 Feb 2012 10:40

http://tribune.com.pk/story/330149/us-wants-positive-ties-with-pakistan-in-continuing-fight-against-al-qaeda/

In a hearing of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, members of the US intelligence committee said it was important to have positive relations with Pakistan....Clapper, in response to a question on US-Pakistan relations, said that they agreed that relations with Pakistan should remain positive, however he added that their interests sometimes differed, and Pakistan considered India as an existential threat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Prem » 01 Feb 2012 10:52

Pakistan struggles to attract tourists amid violence :eek:
Qudrat ki Bhool ,Poaqfaithfool

TAKHT-I-BAHI, Pakistan — Now better known for its regular suicide bombings and as a haven for the world’s most-wanted terrorists, Pakistan hardly qualifies as a favorite tourist destination. But that doesn’t mean Pakistani authorities have given up on luring foreign visitors.Pakistan possesses plenty of potential tourist draws, from prime examples of Mughal and Buddhist architecture to some of the world’s highest mountains. But in recent years convincing foreigners to come visit Pakistan’s wonders has been an uphill battle.Tourism is next to nil,” Mehr Tarar, a columnist for Pakistan’s Daily Times, wrote last week. “To tempt people from any country to visit Pakistan would be more difficult today than to outline a workable peace plan between Palestine and Israel.” :lol: Pakistan’s government declared 2007 the “Visit Pakistan Year,” but that year also happened to be the birth year of the Pakistani Taliban, a group that has claimed responsibility for nearly every bombing that has taken place in the country since then.Local tourism promoters bemoan the country’s bad rap and point out that most foreign tourists go back home unharmed, but Pakistan’s reputation for violence and instability still looms large in the minds of outsiders. The fate of two Swiss tourists abducted in July remains unknown.
At Takht-i-Bahi, a sprawling Bhuddist complex in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and a World Heritage site, longtime guide Iftikhar Ali said the number of foreigners who visited the site last year reached a grand total of 13. As recently as 2004, foreigners were a daily sight at Takht-i-Bahi. Now the site’s curators have closed underground chambers for fear that they be used by the Taliban to hide bombs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anujan » 01 Feb 2012 11:03

http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/01/relatives-allowed-to-see-missing-brothers.html

Five family members of two missing men, Abdul Basit and Syed Abdul Majid, were allowed to visit the plastic and reconstructive surgery unit of the Lady Reading Hospital and meet them for a few minutes on Tuesday...."They are in a bad shape and I failed to recognise one of my brothers, Syed Abdul Basit. Both of them have been reduced to skeletons, apparently kept starved by their captors,"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby pankajs » 01 Feb 2012 11:17

Officials: Pakistani jets kill 31 militants
(AP) -- Government officials say Pakistani fighter jets bombed militant positions in two different areas along the Afghan border, killing 31 suspected insurgents.

Political administrators Wajid Khan and Ameer Gul say the strikes occurred Wednesday morning in the Orakzai and Kurram tribal areas.

Pakistani Soldiers, Taliban Battle, Leaving 60 Dead
PARACHINAR, Pakistan— Fighting between Pakistani soldiers and Taliban militants over a strategic mountaintop in northwestern Pakistan has killed more than 60 people, a government official said on Tuesday.

The battle first started a week ago when government troops seized the top of Jogi mountain in the Kurram tribal area from militants, sparking clashes that killed six soldiers and 20 insurgents, said Wajid Khan, a local government administrator.

The militants retaliated on Tuesday by attacking the soldiers who were trying to hold the location, touching off another round of fighting that killed 10 troops and more than 30 insurgents, said Mr. Khan. The area is home to militants loyal to Pakistani Taliban commander Hakimullah Mehsud.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby SSridhar » 01 Feb 2012 11:35

Massive hike in petroleum products prices
Now, another ammunition for Imran Khan though he would have also done the same thing had he been in power. Anyway, he has claimed that Pakistan is resource rich and does not need to go with a begging bowl to anybody else. Let's see what he does, come June or September.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby shiv » 01 Feb 2012 15:37

Just putting down a few thoughts that have been going through my mind for some weeks. I have mentioned them in passing on other threads.

If India has any sympathy for the Baluch people and wants to have better relations with them, we need to do that via land or sea. The sea route has serious disadvantages. Ideally the land route to Baluchistan would be usable.

If India wants to develop and renew its relations with the Pashtun people of former Northwest India and Afghanistan, we have no sea route. Only a land route exists, but unusable by India.

If India wants to have healthy trade relations with Afghanistan and renew its connection with the Afghan people our only choice is a land route.

If India wants to have relations with more distant lands like Iran and the central Asian states, a land route would only add to the value of the regional economy

In every case the single common barrier to achieving perfectly peaceful and honorable goals is the Pakistani province of Punjab, a.k.a "Pakjab".

Now a few notes about Pakjab
  • Pakjab (Pakistani Punjab) has the largest population in Pakistan
  • Pakjab is the wealthiest province of "Pakistan"
  • Hatred of India is highest in Pakjab (and among mohajirs)
  • The people of Pakjab are dominant in the Pakistani army
  • The Punjabi dominated Pakistani army dominates Pakistan's domestic politics and foreign relations
  • Due to the dominance of Pakjabis in the army officer cadre, relations with the US are best among this class
  • The Pakjabi dominated army has been responsible for the murder of Shias in Gilgit, East Pakistanis, Baluchis and Pashtuns
  • Pakjab has benefited most from US aid.

The Paki army and Pakjabis know very well that they sit between India and Afghanistan, India and Iran, India and Baluchistan and between the US and Afghanistan. This is exactly what they intend to leverage. They also openly threaten to turn a war nuclear if Pakjab is attacked. This may be a bluff, but few people (India or USA) will want to call that bluff unless push comes to shove.
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Pakjab has one weakness - it is one of the most highly radicalized with Wahhabandi radicals. Also, loss of US aid will specifically hurt Pakjabi officer cadre the most

Ideally, I would like to see Pakjab specifically isolated. I repeat once again that getting the US to stop aiding the Paki army will go a long way towards staring the salwars shivering in Pakjab. But in the long term, Pakjabis must be made to find it advantageous to deal with India and allow India access to Baluchistan, Afghanistan and Iran. Kashmir and terror in India are too high a price to pay - easier to punish Pakjab that is just next door to us within Smerch/Prahaar range. But if they kowtow to Indian demands we will have to look at what we can allow them in exchange fro free access to Baluchistan. Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asia. Prosperity of Pakjabis may be a "given" in thsi scenario, but that price may have to paid in exchange for no terror, no Kashmir and free access to all the outlying provinces. The punishment should be that Pakjab loses out all chance of prosperity if Indian overland links with Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Iran and central Asia are severed. They get paid only for protecting the route.

If Pakjab fails to join such a scheme and decides to continue terrorism, then the province must be made to feel pain. Will look at this in more detail in a future post.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby pankajs » 01 Feb 2012 17:04

11 soldiers killed in Balochistan: Officials
QUETTA: Baloch rebels attacked security forces overnight, killing at least 11 soldiers and wounding another 12 in clashes that raged for five hours, officials said Wednesday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby jrjrao » 01 Feb 2012 19:59

Breaking news.

(Who appear to be) Pakis plead guilty in London of plotting to launch "mumbai-style" attacks during Christmas 2010. Don't let the name Gurikanth Desai fool you. He has previously been reported to have been duly and properly converted/reverted.

Islamists who targeted US Embassy admit London bomb plot
Mohammed Chowdhury, 21, Shah Rahman, 28, Gurukanth Desai, 30, and Abdul Miah, 25, all admitted preparing for acts of terrorism by planning to plant an improvised explosive device in the toilets of the London Stock Exchange.

The other five defendants admitted attending planning meetings, fundraising for terrorism or possessing copies of the al-Qaida magazine, Inspire.
They will be sentenced next week.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Rangudu » 01 Feb 2012 20:00

The best quote from the leaked NATO report:

"The Taliban are not Islam,” the detainee reportedly continued. “The Taliban are Islamabad."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby SSridhar » 01 Feb 2012 20:01

Shiv, that is an excellent post. Let me add something here. It may not exactly overlap with what all you have said.

It is true that it is largely the Pakjabi who stands between Pakistan being a normal nation-state with normal neighbourly relationship with us even if it continues to have a territorial dispute. However, the irredentism of the dispute has been cleverly (or uncleverly by other estimates) transformed into a religious war. From invoking religion to support irredentism up to the 1970s, it has today become a jihad against us. I do not believe that Kashmir is the centrality of the issue anymore for Pakistan's hostility with us, though it may invoke that for the sake of giving a reason and hoodwinking the international community. The taunting, teasing and open affinity of the PA with the LeT shows that PA's motto 'jihad fi sabilillah' is taken literally by the PA today rather than merely as an Islamic symbolism to shepherd the flock. In c. 2002, the ISI Chief Mehmood Ahmed admitted to a RAND analyst that about 15% of the PA officers were extremists. Since we know that a Pakistani General would lie in the 'good cause of Islam', I would hazard a guess that it was likely to have been 25% (conservatively). After 10 years, it must have risen to 40 - 50% at the level of the officers. Many earth-shattering things have happened in Pakistan that should have driven a large proportion of the officer cadre to extremism in the last ten years. With that as an indicative figure, one can conclude that 70 - 80% of the soldiers/sepoys may be into extremism or display extremist leanings. All that they need is a spark to light the conflagration as it happened in c. 1857.

As you said, it is the Deobandi/Wahhabi alliance that is changing the equation. Austerity & literalist interpretation of the Koran are the hallmarks of the leaders of these sects. Punjabi elites and zamindars may love a good life, but under their very feet the carpet is being pulled by the wahhabandis. Thus, southern Punjab areas such as Bahawalpur,Multan & Rahim Yar Khan have been ceded to Maulana Masood Azhar, the central Punjab districts such as Jhang, Faisalabad have gone to SSP (Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan) or LeJ (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) for a long time now, the eastern districts like Lahore, Gujrat etc have been taken over by LeT while the northern areas of the Potohar Plateau such as Rawalpindi, Chakwal, Attock etc. have gone to various TTP groups. With the increasing friendship between the US and India, Pakistan's impotent anger against the US will be channelized against the convenient scapegoat, India. Whether it is the Raymond Davis case, or the Abbottabad event, or salalah firing or Memogate scandal, the TSPA is precipitating the issues against the US (as well as inconvenient domestic political parties).

There is a double whammy for us going on in the US attitude towards Pakistan. The US still wants to retain a leverage with Pakistan though its sphere of influence is shrinking and is increasingly frayed at the edges. Yet, the US feels that by giving arms to TSPA (that can be used only against India) or not harshly handling it at its various transgressions even against it or accommodating the Pakistani wishes in the Afghan issue, the US is subsidizing (as it has always done) and perpetuating PA's aggression and hostility against us. The point I am making is that even if those Pakjabis who love a good life and stand to lose most of it by antagonizing the US or denying land access to India for Afghanistan and CAR want to change, the wahhabandis who are taking over West Punjab will not allow them to do so as it would subvert their idea of global jihad.

As for the TSPA, loss of US Aid may hurt the officers the most as you said. But, are the wahhabandi officers, who hate the Americans, interested in going to Westpoint or the other Staff and War colleges in the US ? The paranoid PA which feels that the Yahud-Hanud-Nazara combination is out to denuke it, may itself not want too many of its officers to get too close to the US at these places. After all, the American IMET was designed to extend its influence into other armies and the Pakistanis have been attending these in droves since the 50s. Not any more. Nowadays, they are flocking to China. IMO, it would be in the quality of training or weapons or weaponry that the officers would suffer the most but those would be more than compensated by the strong fervour of jihad.

It is only a matter of time (less than 5 years if Imran Khan comes to power shortly) that West Punjab would be completely jihadized. Already, I would say that West Punjab is a goner. We may have to concentrate only on the Sind to liberate it along with Balochistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Dipanker » 01 Feb 2012 23:50

abhijitm wrote:Why drone strikes are so rare now days? Unfortunately it looks like hakimullah mehsud is still alive. Taliban, whichever it is, should not be allowed to consolidate.


13 killed in U.S. drone strike in NW Pakistan

SLAMABAD, Feb. 1 (Xinhua) -- At least 13 people were killed when a U.S. drone launched three missile strikes in Orakzai region of Pakistan's northwest tribal belt on Wednesday, local media reported.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anujan » 02 Feb 2012 00:02

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Pakistan/JuD-chief-Hafiz-Saeed-to-join-Pak-politics/Article1-805277.aspx
JuD chief Hafiz Saeed to join Pak politics?

There is speculation that Saeed plans to contest upcoming elections either to the Punjab Assembly or the National Assembly, the lower house of Parliament.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Anujan » 02 Feb 2012 00:05

Pakistan says package containing anthrax sent to prime minister’s office in October
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistani-jets-target-militant-commanders-killing-up-to-31-insurgents-officials-say/2012/02/01/gIQAZk3ygQ_story.html
A university professor allegedly sent a packet containing anthrax to the Pakistani prime minister’s office in October, his spokesman said Wednesday, raising new security concerns in a country battling Islamist extremists. No one was made ill by the deadly spores in the package, which was sent by a female professor who was not otherwise identified, said Akram Shaheedi, a spokesman for Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. He added that the motive was not clear.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby K Mehta » 02 Feb 2012 00:13

Interesting info about the bomb plotters of UQ london
Jo Lahore main ***** woh UQ main bhi.....
from Reuters
The defendants, all British nationals with Bangladeshi or Pakistani backgrounds, had been inspired by al Qaeda and the late radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, Edis said.
Brothers Gurukanth Desai, 30, and Abdul Miah, 25, both from Cardiff in Wales also pleaded guilty to the same charge.

from The Beeb
Brothers Gurukanth Desai, 30, of Albert Street, Cardiff, and Abdul Miah, 25, of Ninian Park Road, Cardiff, also admitted the same count, namely preparing for acts of terrorism by planning to plant an improvised explosive device in the toilets of the London Stock Exchange.

from Yahoo! UK
Brothers Gurukanth Desai, 30, and Abdul Miah, 25, both from the Welsh capital Cardiff, admitted the same count at a London court.

And from our very OWN Indian Express
Mohammed Chowdhury, Shah Rahman, Gurukanth Desai and Abdul Miah pleaded guilty to engaging in conduct in preparation for acts of terrorism. Desai is of Indian origin.
Note these guys live within walking distance of each other!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby krisna » 02 Feb 2012 00:26

Anujan wrote:Pakistan says package containing anthrax sent to prime minister’s office in October
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistani-jets-target-militant-commanders-killing-up-to-31-insurgents-officials-say/2012/02/01/gIQAZk3ygQ_story.html
A university professor allegedly sent a packet containing anthrax to the Pakistani prime minister’s office in October, his spokesman said Wednesday, raising new security concerns in a country battling Islamist extremists. No one was made ill by the deadly spores in the package, which was sent by a female professor who was not otherwise identified, said Akram Shaheedi, a spokesman for Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. He added that the motive was not clear.


Did Groper grope the lady. :?:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby brihaspati » 02 Feb 2012 01:57

No amount of prosperity given to Pakjabi elite or aam will reduce their islamism. Wherever one allows the mullahcracy to survive and talk within an already islamized population, no amount of prosperity prevents eventual resurgence of jihadism - no exceptions. If prosperity would have been the driver - Saudis and almost all of Gulf domains would be free of jihad and being sponsors and protectors of jihad all around.

The Pakjabi social structure has to be destroyed. Completely, without any trace. Mullahcracy eliminated, institutions destroyed.

Only bargain that we can offer the Pakjabis is whether we eliminate all traces of the word Pakjab, including everything that implies after any supposed nuke burst from their side, or we allow them to survive with some h&d intact if they give up and surrender.

Bargaining should come from the higher point - which is absolute and total elimination. We can scale down from there and compromise on partial elimination.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 15 Jan 201

Postby Shaashtanga » 02 Feb 2012 02:14

Taliban "poised to retake Afghanistan" after NATO pullout

KABUL (Reuters) - The U.S. military said in a secret report that the Taliban, backed by Pakistan, are set to retake control of Afghanistan after NATO-led forces withdraw, raising the prospect of a major failure of Western policy after a costly war.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/taliban-poised-retake-afghanistan-nato-pullout-063452031.html


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