Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

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In Pakistan, almost one-third of both girls and boys suffer some sort of sexual abuse. Often it comes at the hands of their own family members -- and they seem to have nowhere to turn for help. So they suffer in silence, in the shadows, often for years.
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Kiyani seeking demilitarization of Siachen is a first step in defacto defeat of the kabila guards. What will be his locus standi in the TSP army with its jihadi fistula motto? Did he get a dream and woke up to make this statement?


I am getting round to the idea that some misadventure/tactial brilliance went wrong with the avalanche. The ammo depot wipeout with the soldiers too must have stymied there plans. The odd thing is the SPG troops being called for the rescue and reports of toxic gases hampering relief efforts.

Looks TSP has been foisted with its own petard like the non-uniformed jihadis who blow up before they arrive at target.
Now he is seeking higher ground by beseeching peace.
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How about this. Pakistani cricket team can play their home games in India, and Paki RAPE FDI will be welcomed in India. However, all payments/dividends will be receivable in ISI-printed FICN onlee :mrgreen:
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ramana wrote:Kiyani seeking demilitarization of Siachen is a first step in defacto defeat of the kabila guards. What will be his locus standi in the TSP army with its jihadi fistula motto? Did he get a dream and woke up to make this statement?


I am getting round to the idea that some misadventure/tactial brilliance went wrong with the avalanche. The ammo depot wipeout with the soldiers too must have stymied there plans. The odd thing is the SPG troops being called for the rescue and reports of toxic gases hampering relief efforts.

Looks TSP has been foisted with its own petard like the non-uniformed jihadis who blow up before they arrive at target.
Now he is seeking higher ground by beseeching peace.
Ramana garu, it may have something to do with the avalanche but to my mind, the avalanche was just an opportunity for Kiyani and his proxies to put forth another absurd equal-equal argument: "MY uniformed jihadis got squashed like insects by the hand of Allah, therefore let us BOTH withdraw from Siachen."

Looking at the wider picture: two incidents last year, Abbotabad and the November hammering of the border post at Maya, had essentially the same cumulative effect on the domestic political profile of TSPA, that (in an earlier era) recent defeat in a war with India used to have.
Terrible battering of the invincible Kabila image, which is the entire justification for TSPA's political power.

Post 1971, with the Bhutto-Zia Islamization project, the amount of stock that was placed in this Kabila image became so great that the TSPA never risked outright defeat at India's hands by attacking conventionally. All their claims to mighty Kabila status, from then on, came from ISI sponsorship of jihadi proxies ("defeating the USSR" etc.) Even Kargil was undertaken with Jihadi irregulars leading the way, to give the impression that it wasn't a conventional attack; and the aftermath of Kargil, with the TSPA denying casualties in the thousands, is further proof of this. TSPA's political power rests on the invincible Kabila image, and that image was wrecked by NATO/US in two separate incidents last year. Jihadi fistula had to stand there and take the thappads, and they could do nothing but cry tears of impotent rage.

The way to look at this is to assume that TSPA is now in the same frame of mind as they were, immediately post-Tashkent and immediately post-Simla. The bad news is that GOI has historically gone into its most affectionate and generous big-brother mode when TSPA is in this frame of mind. Everything won in '65 was returned, much of what was won in '71 was returned with no Paki commitment to resolving J&K. The results were uniformly detrimental to Indian interests. We simply cannot afford to look at the current GOI policy towards Pakistan in any other light but this.
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Haal Kaisa hai janab kaa, Dimag Kharab hai aapka, Duniya kehti Ho Ho, Paki cry Moi Moi Moi

Logic of the Two-Nation Theory :lol:
The Quaid’s prescience and foresight, therefore, proved his worst fears to be correct. The plight of the Muslims in India today is worse than even the low caste Dalits and other minorities; a fact verified by the 2005 Justice Sachar Committee’s report to ascertain the latest social, economic and educational condition of the Muslim community of India. In fact, the venomous pronouncement of extremist Hindu Mahasabha, President Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, and Dr Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, the founder of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) that “.......the Muslims are not Indians, but foreigners or temporary guests - without any loyalty to the country or its cultural heritage - and should be driven out of the country or convert to Hinduism.......", is still being propagated today and leads to the genocide of the Indian Muslims in Kashmir, Maharashtra and elsewhere.
Unfortunately, Pakistan’s detractors found solace in the dismemberment of Pakistan and Indira Gandhi went on to claim that the Quaid’s Two-Nation Theory had been “sunk in the Bay of Bengal.” But Pakistan survived and thrived, while Bangladesh has also taken up its rightful place in the comity of nations. Today, Pakistan has once again become the target of Indian machinations and is being subjected to propaganda and intrigues, as New Delhi is exploiting the current political instability, economic meltdown and ethnic/social division among different segments of the Pakistani society. Thus, it is polluting the minds of Pakistani youth by claiming that their country’s salvation lies in reuniting with India and that the Two-Nation Theory became defunct after 1947. Pseudo attempts. like Aman ki Asha. are a case in point for discrediting it, which must be counteracted with logic
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ramana wrote: ... The bad news is that GOI has historically gone into its most affectionate and generous big-brother mode when TSPA is in this frame of mind. Everything won in '65 was returned, much of what was won in '71 was returned with no Paki commitment to resolving J&K. The results were uniformly detrimental to Indian interests. We simply cannot afford to look at the current GOI policy towards Pakistan in any other light but this.
The difference this time around is that India is not directly responsible for the Paki frame of mind as we were in 65' and 71'. So this time our response might be different ....I hope

-M
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Are we soon gonna see history in making . Poaqworms are out in full battle jackets.
The dargahi diplomacy prologue
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... y-prologue
The President’s so-called “surprise visit” was prearranged and made at the urging of the US. It was a part of the complex US game plan that started with the bombing of the Salala checkpost, Nato supply routes closing and mid-May reopening, the charade of parliamentary debates in-between and the ultimate US objective to subject Pakistan to India’s overall regional influence. All of this, of course, with implicit involvement and secret behind-the-doors cooperation of the Zardari-Gilani regime. It is my political judgment that a similar private visit of the Pakistani President to the US will be forthcoming soon. That will be to mop-up and give the final touches to the American discreet intervention in the next general elections in Pakistan. My guess is that the American political establishment will assure the Pakistani President of continued US support for Zardari’s role in Pakistan’s future political landscape. i Zardari’s India visit was meant for political observers; in fact, it was a discreet public statement by the President that he was paving way for dynastic rule in Pakistan’s politics - and that he is fully intent on manipulating the incumbent political process in the country to safeguard his personal political role for at least the next five years - come what may.
( But Doctor L. Meh-di, Pakistan is dirt poor ,bhookha, nanga mulak, Money is in India)
But, not a chance, Mr President. You are mistaken. You don’t understanding the nation over which you happen to accidentally preside. Your fingers are not on the pulse of the nation. Tavleen Singh, in the article, Time for dynastic democracy to die, wrote: “When a parliamentary constituency becomes an inheritance, it becomes a private estate whose purpose is to benefit the family who owns it. And, the reason why most of our political parties have been turned into private property is because politics is the easiest way to make money in India [and of course, Pakistan].”Politics and money are in a convenient marriage in Zardari-Gilani’s Pakistan
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Rinkle,Asha,Lata to live with husbands
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-45012 ... -husbands-#
ISLAMABAD: The three Hindu women who converted to Islam have decided to live with their husbands.
Earlier the Supreme Court had allowed Faryal (Rinkle Kumari), Haleema (Asha Kumari) and Hafsa (Dr Lata) to decide their own fate and let the court know where they wanted to live. A three member bench comprising Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Justice Khilji Arif Hussain and Justice Tariq Pervez was hearing an application moved by Pakistan Hindu Council. During proceedings, the bench also directed the police to provide adequate security to these females.
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Guys, not so fast. My take on Kiyani speak is basically to impress his pay masters in DC. He seems to be telling them, see I am being conciliatory, now talk to the Indians to deliver. And he also knows western constituencies very well. Especially the condescending liberal twits for whom environment is center stage especially when it comes to India. The give away to me was this:

He said the decades of enmity between India and Pakistan should be resolved through negotiation and stressed the urgency of halting the damage to the environment caused by troop deployment on the Siachen Glacier.
Pakis give a rat's arse for the environment? Give me a break. Now expect all the liberal racists in the west to come out and say, Kiyani is so enlightened onlee, but the Hindu nationalists in India won't reciprocate. Recall, post 9/11 when Mush rat started making noises about "extremism", TSP batters like Uneven were on record saying what an irony, TSP is turning "moderate", but India is governed by Hindu nationalists and extremists. I mean, nobody knows the minds of the western racists than does TSP general because they have been in cahoots with them in thwarting India's tryst with destiny. So, no, this is no olive branch from the terrorist, its a maneuver.
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shiv wrote: I just took that to the limit and thought of what a man with two Rupees might put into an LeT box and wondered if he was really doing that with great enthusiasm. Most of the time the information that I get exposed to tells me that a man who has only 2 Rupees - or for that matter a man who has only 20 Rupees is normally looking for more for himself because that money will last less than a day. Giving away even part of that that money "willingly" and "voluntarily" to "charity" is counter intuitive. And the fact that coercion occurs is documented.
The problem with this analysis is that it considers a snapshot and extrapolates the instantaneous image in that snapshot, backwards and forwards in time (when there's no basis for doing so.)

Consider the Paki abdul with only 2 Rupees to his name. I don't think he will balk at giving 1 Rupee to the LeT... in fact he might happily give both rupees to the LeT. Why? Because his economic condition is such that, a fortnight later when he has 0 Rupees... it is to JuD kitchens that he will take his family for free naan-kheema. What is he going to do with PKR 2.00 otherwise? Buy one glass of tea? What other investment is worth making, for him? Paki govt never cared about people like him and will never care. JuD provides schooling for his son, even if it as a Madrassa school... meals when his family is hungry... the protection of a "like-minded group" that provides a sense of security for the economically disempowered classes of any society. All he has to do in exchange is commit himself to the idea of Jihad against India. So why wouldn't he do it gladly?

But is it only poor Abduls who can thus be convinced to happily part with their money for jihad to kill Hindus? Not at all. We talk about the "growing middle class" of Pakistan... who are they, and how did they get there? Were they provided economic opportunity by the state policies of Pakistan? Of course not. Many of them, however, got their first loans to start a paan-beedi shop or buy a donkey from schemes run by JuD type groups. Why would they begrudge JuD/LeT a fair share of their earnings now? They have always received much better returns from these donations than they ever got from paying taxes to the Paki govt. Adopting the JuD's worldview and hatred of the Kafir is hardly a big deal to ask of them.

The point is, LeT/JuD sets a socio-economic agenda domestically within Pakistan, and provides the impetus at many levels of society to follow that agenda. The agenda is to provide funds and recruits for jihad so that green flag can fly over red fort. That can be achieved in many ways.

A certain percentage of Pakis, maybe small but growing with each successive generation of Madrassa graduates, happily follows the agenda and even proselytizes the agenda to others. They buy the hatred of Hindus and India hook line & sinker, and commit themselves physically and mentally to the cause.

A much larger percentage of Pakis goes along, maybe partially because of a vague notion that Hindus and India are bad, but mainly because JuD is fulfilling programs of social and economic upliftment which benefit them... a responsibility from which the Paki govt, RAPE and upper-middle classes have consciously abdicated themselves.

Between the first two categories you have an overwhelming majority of Pakis who fund the LeT without any coercion whatsoever. Coercion is only needed for the miniscule number of "principled" types who have (a) somehow stayed immune to 50 years of propaganda demonizing India and Hindus, (b) actually believe that terrorism in the cause of Jihad is worse than the "atrocities" it claims to address, and (c) are so committed to ideas a and b that they would happily forgo the social and economic benefits of the Tanzeem Welfare State.

How many Pakis are in that third category? Of these, how many will further be swayed by only the most passive forms of "coercion"... social ostracism and marginalization, etc. as opposed to a knife at the throat?

Seriously... you cannot "coerce" a large segment of the population, for a long period of time, to give away their money for jihad against India if this is against their will or sensibilities. That sentiment is part of a larger package offered by the JuD/LeT in the unchallenged agenda they set across a huge section of Pakistani society. The vast majority of poor and middle-class Pakis very happily participates in that agenda for one reason or the other, with no need for coercion.

And no amount of concessions like "FDI" or "electricity" to the RAPE... no amount of compromises on "Siachen, J&K and Sir Creek" to the TSPA, is going to make one bit of difference to this.
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Mihaylo wrote:
ramana wrote: ... The bad news is that GOI has historically gone into its most affectionate and generous big-brother mode when TSPA is in this frame of mind. Everything won in '65 was returned, much of what was won in '71 was returned with no Paki commitment to resolving J&K. The results were uniformly detrimental to Indian interests. We simply cannot afford to look at the current GOI policy towards Pakistan in any other light but this.
The difference this time around is that India is not directly responsible for the Paki frame of mind as we were in 65' and 71'. So this time our response might be different ....I hope

-M
But it isn't different. FDI, energy supply, talks on border issues and more have been put on the table by the MMS government. It's exactly the same thing though perhaps even more potentially damaging to India.

From the most charitable POV, this GOI stance is based on the Gandhi-giri notion that a Paki in need can be made into a friend for life by gentle and generous treatment at the "right" time.
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Just in case any jingos mistakes the Kiyani letdown!

Pak will never unilaterally withdraw from Siachen; Rehman Malik

The braggart talks tougher than Do Nothing Army chief!!!
Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Wednesday criticised PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif for suggesting that Pakistan should take the initiative to resolve the Siachen issue with India, saying Islamabad would never unilaterally withdraw its troops from the Himalayan region.

"Every inch of the country is sacred and Pakistan will never withdraw its army from Siachen unilaterally," Malik told reporters in Islamabad
. :mrgreen:

Pakistan will not initiate the withdrawal process though it is in favour of resolving the Siachen issue through negotiations, he said.

Following a visit to the region in Siachen sector where 138 people were buried by an avalanche that hit an army camp, Sharif called on the Pakistan government to take the initiative to end the military standoff with India so that troops of both countries could be withdrawn from the Himalayan glacier.

"The (Pakistan) government should give it (the Siachen issue) top priority. The Pakistan government should take the initiative. It should not wait for an initiative from India. This is not a problem of ego," Sharif said.

Indian and Pakistani troops have been engaged in a standoff on the Siachen glacier since 1984.

The guns have largely been silent since late 2003, when the two countries put in place a ceasefire along the frontiers in Jammu and Kashmir, and more troops have died due to the adverse weather than combat.
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Actually it would be really bad if the Pakis DID withdraw unilaterally from Siachen. DDM and WKKs would go into ecstatic orgasms of Aman ki Asha. The MMS/ Money Stinker Ire lobby would gain a huge tranche of political capital to say: "look how brave and sincere they are, they withdrew unilaterally from Siachen... let us now have joint administration and open borders in J&K" etc.
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RashI d RawMan must know this.
Per ex ISI chief, HamId Ghull in talk with S. Swami last week, Ghulam Kashmir is not Paki territory.
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Jhujar wrote:JJ Singh has also made conciliatry remark regarding China, so whats going on? Are they trying take Unxle out of Asia? Without Indian card , Poaqs cant be on leash and JJ Might be following PVNR's asessment. Kayani and his troop Jaananis have lost morale becuase China has said No and drawn the line in snow for Poaqs.
Negotiations by JS with Talbott was the deciding factor where Uncle agreed to hand over AF-Pak to India.
The process of execution is going on.
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ramana wrote:Just in case any jingos mistakes the Kiyani letdown!

Pak will never unilaterally withdraw from Siachen; Rehman Malik

The braggart talks tougher than Do Nothing Army chief!!!
I think it is internal politics at play here. Rehman Malik is just using the opportunity presented by his political opponent.
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Rudradev wrote:
Between the first two categories you have an overwhelming majority of Pakis who fund the LeT without any coercion whatsoever.
This is "traditional wisdom" on BRF. The reason I am trying to shake these "accepted base-lines" at their foundation is in the light of new reading. The new reading is not actually telling me anything earth-shaking, but is giving me a glimpse into the diverstity of social structure within Pakistan - a fact that does not get attention given the fact that we have spent years bringing people up to date with what pakistan actually represents. The "traditional wisdom" of BRF has been the sole factor that has finally knocked down all the myths that were floating around about Pakistan and deserves special mention for that.

But I think there is something more that can be looked at, for what it is worth.
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ramana wrote: Pak will never unilaterally withdraw from Siachen; Rehman Malik


"Every inch of the country is sacred and Pakistan will never withdraw its army from Siachen unilaterally," Malik told reporters in Islamabad[/b].
Bloody idolator! How can land be sacred? Is this imposter a hidden Hindoo? RAA agint? Wajib ul cuttle!
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Govt eases citizenship rules for Pak refugees

And the Indian Express gives first-page positive coverage to Kayani's remarks. After that coup report, this love is hardly surprising.
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shiv wrote:
ramana wrote: Pak will never unilaterally withdraw from Siachen; Rehman Malik

"Every inch of the country is sacred and Pakistan will never withdraw its army from Siachen unilaterally," Malik told reporters in Islamabad[/b].
Bloody idolator! How can land be sacred? Is this imposter a hidden Hindoo? RAA agint? Wajib ul cuttle!
In a way Rahman Malik is making a 'true' statement. You have to be on Siachen to withdraw.
Will never unilaterlly withdraw, b'cause not on it :mrgreen:
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Shiv, Try to get hold of a dated book"Breaking the Curfew" Emma Duncan. She takes vertical and horizontal slices of TSP society and deconstructs them.


Its written in late 80s and is thus dated. The society is even more slumized.
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As I stated earlier, I am now trying to look at "internal details" of Pakistan in areas where we have thus far had useful generalizations.

I am trying to collect information on the details of poverty in Pakistan. My quest is prodded by reports that Pakistan's newly affluent middle class are the prime movers in contributing funds to jihad. My questions are: What percentage of jihad funds come from the poor?. How willingly and ably can the poor of Pakistan actually fund jihad? If the Pakistan economy is stangant and the middle class is expanding, the number of poor also must be expanding. Are the funds of the LeT expanding too? If so how?

For the few in Pakistan who pay state taxes as well as LeT "taxes" - they are paying double tax. Voluntary or involuntary is not the point. As the ability to pay tax goes down, the idea of paying any tax, voluntary or not actually pinches. What percentage of the population is the LeT taxing? What percentage is the LeT "helping"? If middle class is increasing and LeT is getting more money, the poor are also increasing, making outflow higher. So what do the LeTs "accounts" look like?

Clearly the LeT is not restricted to contributions. Extortion and drugs are part of the game, but I wil look only at "contribution", voluntary of not. What information is there apart from LeT propaganda?

One of the angles I want to explore is the percentage of the Paki population whose ability to pay anything is restricted. This target population is useful because it tends to get "studied" in the media and in sociological reports. To that extent it serves as a source of data points n Pakistan.

I will post some links and info as I found them - not pointing to anything in particular, lest someone accuses me of solving the Pakistan problem, but as data points to fill holes in my mind

http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/web/g ... s/pakistan
Current estimates suggest that Pakistan’s poverty rate has not changed since 2005. However, it is likely that recent earthquakes, record flooding, rising international food prices and global economic instability have had a negative, if unmeasured, impact. For example, it is estimated that in the last few years roughly 17 million people have joined the ranks of the 60 million living in food insecurity – with many more at risk.

Pakistan ranks 145th out of 187 countries on the United Nations Development Programme’s 2011 Human Development Index – a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide.

Agriculture is at the heart of the rural economy and accounts for roughly 22 per cent of Pakistan’s total economy. Most of the land in Pakistan is arid, semi-arid or rugged and not easily cultivated. Water resources are scarce throughout most of the country, and finding water for irrigation is a critical challenge for the agriculture sector – particularly in remote areas.

Currently, about 50 per cent of farmers are owner-operators and 26 per cent are tenants. It is common for tenant farmers to be in debt to landowners. The exact number of landless wage-labourers, the most vulnerable segment of the population, is not known. Altogether, there are over 4 million family farms, with an average farm size of 4.7 hectares. Although most rural people rely on agriculture for their livelihoods, many of the poorest also depend on non-farm activities for income.
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Gul was regularly beaten, dragged by her brown hair, and strangled at night by her husband and his brothers. At twenty, Gul from Peshawar has been married for two years to Dad Mohammad, a fifty-year old suffering from severe mental illness. Gul was sold when she was eight years old because her father was unable to repay a 20,000 rupee loan.
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http://www.lawsofpakistan.com/cost-of-f ... inflation/
Food prices in Pakistan are very high and total food expenses are also high. Cost of food in Pakistan is increasing with rapid pace. It is startling that 46 percent of total income of a Pakistani is spent on food items that is highest in the world while India spent 35 percent with U.S.A. 7 percent, U.K. 9 percent and Australia 11 percent. It is thus apparent that comparatively lesser amount is left for Pakistani citizens for health, education, clothing, housing and utility bills of water, gas and electricity due to a heavy amount spent on food items.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7481882.stm
From 2008
At Sabri restaurant you can feed an impoverished Karachi resident for 20 Pakistani rupees (33 US cents; 16 pence).

But just a year ago the same charitable act would have cost you 15 cents - less than half what it costs today.

The jump in the price of food in Pakistan has forced many into destitution.

Ayesha Begum is among the hungry who are queuing for food in Karachi.

Most weeks she visits this restaurant three or four times. Sometimes, when times are really bad, she comes twice a day.

"What can I do?" she asks as she awaits her turn to get a dish of beef and chicken gravy. "I have no option.

"My husband works in a factory, and I have seven children. (Allah's gift to Puckistan) His salary hasn't been increased in two years.

"The meagre earnings he makes used to be just about enough to feed us all, but now the price of food is so high we can't afford anything."


Prices in Karachi's markets have jumped to their highest level in 30 years.

In Empress Market, one of the city's largest vegetable markets, Pervez Begum, 59, has come in the hope that she can fill her bags with food for that evening's dinner.

But after having gone from stall to stall, from cart to cart, bargaining with the vegetable sellers in the markets over the price of their goods, she returns home empty handed.

"I am a single woman, a widow, and I have no children to look after me," she says.

"The only money I make comes from selling coins to commuters who need small change for their public transport.

"That doesn't make me very much. I thought today I could come and buy some wheat for my dinner, but I can't afford it."

This is becoming a critical problem for Pakistan's people.

The price of wheat, something that most Pakistanis eat in their daily diet, rose 26% in just one month.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg7_16
ISLAMABAD: The average Pakistani family had to spend Rs 8,583 on the purchase of daily-use items in the month of April 2010, according to the first Household Expenditure Pattern Study published by the Free and Fair Election Network (FAFEN). The highest cost of living was recorded in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where the average household expenditure was Rs 9,515, nearly Rs 1,000 more than the national average.

The FAFEN’s study documents the impact of price variations of 70 consumer commodities – including food, monthly house rent, medicines, POL (fuel) products, and toiletries – on average household budgets around the country. This monthly study is based on data gathered from 150 locations in four provinces, including FATA.
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Not much can be derived as source of terror finance from within Pak - its simply not productive enough to maintain both the army and also feed the terrorist enterprise. There are a few industrial blockbusters - but controlled probably roughly by 14-15 main clans, who are also the principal landowners. There is no Paki middle class really - what goes for middle class, is an adjunct class to the feudals, and many of whom are entirely dependent on expat remittances from ME.

The main flow for terror finance comes from the black-economy all through the subcontinent, and Pakistan simply providing a wild-wild-west country of no-mans land that provides safe routes for smuggling and trafficking through to ME and African hinterland.

The few Paki industrialists/feudals engaged in generating some profitability are one source. The second source is foreign donations and funds from Paki expats, sympathizers, and Saudis and assorted NGOs in other related peaceful and India friendly gulf kingdoms.

The recent downturn and overthrow in the north African markets, and ME instability has decreased absorption from the "west" of Pakistan for black market [primarily drugs and women and children] and since Pak itself does not produce much in this regard [it would be difficult for me to discuss the details of market value of pakistani women in ME here] it simply relies on the cut-money for passage through. So even if supply from east is alright, demand and market clearance from the west has gone down drastically. The Sudanese and Somalian markets are under pressure too - where the sea-based branch of the black-economy of pakistan partly made profits as ensurers of passage. Hence the crunch on terror finance and Paki jarnail singing lately.

Paki terror finance is externally generated primarily - and a lot of that also comes from the covert leakages in the growing Indian economy too coming from the protected criminal network ties across borders.
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Heard Kiyanahi wants to demilitarize Siachen. Looks like unable to catch up with India's military capability he is now seeking regional balance by demilitarization. hain ji?
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The chorus asking India to vacate Siachin is increasing across Pakistani media and sadly being carried by some Indian media (print as well as TV).
It would be a huge blunder on India's part to oblige the pakis not just because Pakis are untrustworthy bas-tards but also because of the Chinese angle.

It appears to me something big is afoot behind the scenes to help Mullah Mohan Seikh establish his legacy of "peace with pakistan". Perhaps all this is to win the nobel prize.

Whatever the reason may be, India must not vacate Siachin and give away the strategic advantage under any circumstances.
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shiv wrote:"The only money I make comes from selling coins to commuters who need small change for their public transport.
Very unislamic (RIBA) and baniya-like action. What is the world coming to in the pureland?
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Kiyani on siachen

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Khan would want Kiyani to strategically vacate Siachen as a CBM for Sir Creek ? Siachen is for Big Boys and Khan acknowledges India can checkmate China from there.
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Bangladesh will not tour Pakistan: PCB :rotfl:
LaWhore: Bangladesh cricket team’s tour of Pakistan has been cancelled. According to the Pakistan Cricket Boards (PCB) chief operating officer, Bangladesh and informed the PCB of its decision to not tour Pakistan.

PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf also expressed his disappointment over the stay order issued by the Dhaka High Court.
“The boards of both countries should have resolved the matter on their own,” Ashraf said.

The Dhaka High Court on Thursday had ordered the national team's upcoming tour of Pakistan to be postponed for at least four weeks due to security fears.

Bangladesh were set to play a 50-over game and a Twenty20 international on April 29 and 30 in Lahore, the first international cricket matches in the country following the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team’s bus.
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^^ bangladesh is raping paki H&D front and back :rotfl:
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SureshP wrote:Kiyani on siachen
Doing the press conference in English is definitely playing to an audience outside of Pakistan.

Would/did he say the same things in Urdu?
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diyar maulaners,

I broboje that all thij avalanche and rona dhona ij a big conjpiracy, :idea:

Either the tarrel than mountainj baki army badly needed to pull out of shia-chin as they are nat in bosition to support troopj there Or they are making a trap for us kafirs(I feel the later).

So they hab created the controlled avalanche.
They hab vacated Gayari bost before the avalanche so there are no bodies even after 10 dayj.

Thij way they are creating atmojphere for withdrawl.
Once the bositions are vacated they will grab the glacier quickly like they did in kargil. :eek:

we must nat fall in the trap by withdrawing....
bliss spread the word of caution. :!:
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Why do you need to talk in BENIS speak? Read the Siachen thread in other forum and see the importance of Ghyari to TSP mil ops in that area.
Lalmohan wrote:there is something fishy about this incident and sudden clamouring to resolve the issue
perhaps they are just exploiting their dead... (as usual)

LM, Wonder if massa triggered the avalanche as pre-emptive move with a high flying drone? TSP being guilty wouldn't dare accuse them lest they are found to bbe violating even more treaties. The avalanche is a surprise for them.


Looks like the place was a stockpile depot. Another odd thing is SPD was rushed from TSP to recover stuff. Could be some low yield Hatf/Watf payloads. Then there are reports of toxic gas hazards hampering rescue efforts. Now TSP has singed the CWC as a non chemical weapon state and was certified by OICW as not having chemcial weapons. So was this another violation by perfidious TSP?

All this tells me lentils are black.
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^^
Clearly Ola Guerin (and Mishal Hussain? Why two correspondents?) of the BBC was seen in one snippet I saw on TV. Microphones from other regulars from Paki side were seen too (I am clear about ARY and Geo being present). A mixed event for all correspondents.
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Kayaniii clearly sounds like he has a dunda up his musharuff! However or whoever has played this through is pure genius!
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http://dawn.com/2012/04/19/pakistan-wor ... gn-office/
Pakistan, India finalising details on Siachen talks: F Off
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan said Thursday it was finalising details for the next round of talks with India over the disputed Siachen Glacier, a day after the army chief called for the area to be demilitarised.There have been several rounds of negotiations between Delhi and Islamabad on Siachen in recent years and Pakistan’s foreign ministry spokesman Moazzam Ahmad Khan said Thursday that the plans for the next talks were in hand.“It is being discussed at defence secretary level. The next meeting will be held in Pakistan and they are finalising the dates,” he told reporters.“We have made several proposals under the Siachen dialogue process, including the redeployment of forces.”However, the Foreign Office spokesman stressed that Pakistan had not changed it’s position on Siachen, and that there was no policy change on the issue.It is in our mutual interest that we address all the issues in a meaningful and result-oriented manner,” he said.The two countries would have to find some way to move forward, he added.

( Danda Barra balwan rei, Karre Poaqers ko Pareshan yeh, Kisne ne diya hai, koi janne naa , janne na rei)
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http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_5
Renewing the India-Pakistan peace process —Radha Kumar WKK
Can we then expect that a sustained and results-oriented peace process will ensue? Indian analysts are divided on this issue, because the signs from Pakistan appear mixed. On the one hand, the large and semi-official delegation that accompanied President Zardari, his prior meetings with General Kayani, and PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif’s welcome of the meeting indicate broad support for the mission. On the other hand, the opposition of parties such as the Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, the Difa-e-Pakistan Council, Hafiz Saeed and his militant followers presents formidable obstacles. It appears that battle lines are being drawn between supporters and opponents of an India-Pakistan peace process.

This is a dangerous situation. As long as Hafiz Saeed is free to rally his forces, the potential for another terrorist attack on India remains high, and Indian public opinion will be cool towards progress on other tracks of the peace process. Moreover, with Syed Salahuddin (actual name Yusuf Shah), the head of the United Jihad Council, joining the chorus against opening up trade, the threat of militancy beginning again in Jammu and Kashmir, or more specifically the Kashmir Valley (it has already resurfaced in Gilgit-Baltistan), is once again rising.A terrorist attack will once again derail the progress that has been made in the past weeks. It is incumbent on all concerned to work towards ensuring that no such attack takes place. While most Indian analysts understand how complex and difficult the task is, it is difficult for us to believe that the Pakistani authorities are doing all they can to tackle the problem. The cases against Lakhvi et al are held up because we are told voice samples are un-Islamic and inadmissible in Pakistani law (can this really be true?). The Judicial Commission that came to India recently to follow up the cases rubbished their trip because they could not cross-examine the sole terrorist arrested, Ajmal Kasab. But they knew even before they came that meeting Kasab was ruled out because his appeals were being heard, and the only way access to him could be given would be if the prosecutions in India and Pakistan are clubbed.
For Imran Khan, the head of the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf, to talk of the law taking its course against Hafiz Saeed is disingenuous. The law has signally failed to take its course, because those who should collect the evidence against Saeed fear to do so or are unwilling. Admittedly, the civilian political parties, whether in government or opposition, cannot do much without the support of the army and intelligence agencie
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Not allies: 8 dead as TTP, Haqqani Network clash in North Waziristan
PESHAWAR: Intense clashes between the Haqqani Network and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan left at least eight people dead in North Waziristan Agency, local sources said on Thursday.
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