Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Rajdeep » 20 May 2012 07:58

RCase wrote:Yes, the rest of the world was surprised that most of the payments made were worth less than toilet paper, when they found out it was paid using (counterfeit) currency manufactured in Pakistan. Xerox technology was put to good use by Pakistan. People are making a mockery because they know that basically you have a Chinese device and claiming it to be due to Pakistan's engineering and technological prowess, never mind that there is nothing of technological excellence emanating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Your own scientists have said that all that Pakistan exports are carpets, sheets and towels, apart from soccer balls.


You forgot the S&M gear from Lawhore :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby A_Gupta » 20 May 2012 08:58

http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2012/ ... olumn.html

Introspection is alien to Urdu columnists. Pakistan is never to be blamed for its ills, it is always some foreign powers who are trying to sabotage the fort of Islam and our Islamic bomb (the last I checked, inanimate objects were not practicing any faith but I digress). The foreign country bashing is not limited to but is generally aimed at United States of America and India – depending on what the topic of conversation is. The really good writers do not just go ahead and blame India for all slights and transgressions – imagined and real – they invent a fictional white Caucasian character they have met in trips abroad and make him say that India is a horrible place where everyone is evil and Pakistan is the ultimate Shangri-La. After all, the hidden racist within us would agree more with a learned white man than a Pakistani, even if that Pakistani happens to be an esteemed columnist traveling to the foreign lands inhabited by learned white people.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby arun » 20 May 2012 09:22

A_Gupta wrote:http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2012/05/amazing-art-of-writing-urdu-column.html

Introspection is alien to Urdu columnists. Pakistan is never to be blamed for its ills, it is always some foreign powers who are trying to sabotage the fort of Islam and our Islamic bomb (the last I checked, inanimate objects were not practicing any faith but I digress). The foreign country bashing is not limited to but is generally aimed at United States of America and India – depending on what the topic of conversation is. The really good writers do not just go ahead and blame India for all slights and transgressions – imagined and real – they invent a fictional white Caucasian character they have met in trips abroad and make him say that India is a horrible place where everyone is evil and Pakistan is the ultimate Shangri-La. After all, the hidden racist within us would agree more with a learned white man than a Pakistani, even if that Pakistani happens to be an esteemed columnist traveling to the foreign lands inhabited by learned white people.


That would explain how this gem of a letter to the editor, undoubtedly authored by a BRFite came to be selected for publication in the Pakistan Observer:

Pakistan under attack

Pakistan is besieged on all sides by those out to defame it.

The fact that the alleged perpetrators of the 7/7 bombings were British-born individuals is conveniently forgotten and only their Pakistani origin is highlighted. The Egyptians withdrew their false accusations of Pakistani complicity in the Egyptian bombing, but not before the damage was done and our name was further muddied. The foreign media are like vicious attack dogs that have smelled blood. Not a day goes by when a story is not carried by a major international newspaper belittling Pakistan.

My friend, Chris Schlong, a liberal thinker, said it best. According to him, as Western societies continue to lose their moral bearings, they feel inferior and vaguely threatened by the innate superiority of Islamic thought. They attack Pakistan because we represent the intellectual attainment of the West while still retaining the noblest of Islamic ideals. Chris, who is converting to Islam along with his entire family, is giving all profits from his highly successful garment company as zakat. TFTA Apparels :wink: , his company, is also planning on setting up two large garment manufacturing centers in Pakistan.

We should take heart from the actions of Mr. Schlong and other enlightened Westerners like him. If the West had more Schlongs, Pakistan would be a much happier place :lol: .

—Virginia, USA

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby shiv » 20 May 2012 09:27

Rajdeep wrote:You forgot the S&M gear from Lawhore :twisted:

Clearly the owner of the company was one Mr Chris Schlong before he converted

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby arun » 20 May 2012 09:37

Jhujar wrote:Khalli dabba Vs Khali Bottle

Nation being misguided on Thar coal: Dr Qadeer :rotfl:

KARACHI: ‘Father of Pakistan’s nuclear program’, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan has said that the nation is being misguided about power generation through Thar Coal as fake claims being made that 50,000 mage watts energy could be produced. He declared it intellectual dishonesty.Speaking as chief guest at a dinner on Friday evening on the auspices of Rahnuma-e-Pakistan Forum at a local hotel, Khan made it clear that projects like Thar Coal and Reko Diq require investment of millions of dollars and state of the art equipment and technology.He said that China has the technology and skill to extract coal from Thar reserves.

The nuclear scientist said that the country is passing through a very difficult period and country needs the sincere and honest leadership.Dr Qadeer said that the current state of the affairs is the consequence of incompetence and dishonesty of those sitting on the helms of the affairs.He said that all the ministries and government departments are being run by those who did not have any know how of their respective department, but busy in looting and plundering the country.han claimed that Pakistan has developed world’s most modern and cheapest nuclear technology as we spent only $250 million on achieving the goal that’s why the entire world is surprised over this marvelous achievement.He said that people were making mockery of us over my efforts to enrich uranium through a simple centrifuge machine but the world is now evident that we have achieved our task.He said that he did not get any type of assistance from any foreigner in this task.


Looks like the world’s most egregious nuclear weapon proliferator, Abdul Qadeer Khan, is getting back at Samar Mubarakmand who presided over the Chagai nuclear test for boosting the role of former PAEC Chairman Munir Ahmad Khan in the assembling of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Nuclear weapons while simultaneously belittling the role of A.Q. Khan. The now retired Samar Mubarakmand is the Chairman of the company developing the Thar coalfield.

Meanwhile Samar Mubarakmand hits back:

Nuclear scientists squabble over Thar project

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby chetak » 20 May 2012 09:41

arun wrote:{quote="A_Gupta"}http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2012/05/amazing-art-of-writing-urdu-column.html

Introspection is alien to Urdu columnists. Pakistan is never to be blamed for its ills, it is always some foreign powers who are trying to sabotage the fort of Islam and our Islamic bomb (the last I checked, inanimate objects were not practicing any faith but I digress). The foreign country bashing is not limited to but is generally aimed at United States of America and India – depending on what the topic of conversation is. The really good writers do not just go ahead and blame India for all slights and transgressions – imagined and real – they invent a fictional white Caucasian character they have met in trips abroad and make him say that India is a horrible place where everyone is evil and Pakistan is the ultimate Shangri-La. After all, the hidden racist within us would agree more with a learned white man than a Pakistani, even if that Pakistani happens to be an esteemed columnist traveling to the foreign lands inhabited by learned white people. {/quote}


That would explain how this gem of a letter to the editor, undoubtedly authored by a BRFite came to be selected for publication in the Pakistan Observer:

Pakistan under attack

Pakistan is besieged on all sides by those out to defame it.

The fact that the alleged perpetrators of the 7/7 bombings were British-born individuals is conveniently forgotten and only their Pakistani origin is highlighted. The Egyptians withdrew their false accusations of Pakistani complicity in the Egyptian bombing, but not before the damage was done and our name was further muddied. The foreign media are like vicious attack dogs that have smelled blood. Not a day goes by when a story is not carried by a major international newspaper belittling Pakistan.

My friend, Chris Schlong, a liberal thinker, said it best. According to him, as Western societies continue to lose their moral bearings, they feel inferior and vaguely threatened by the innate superiority of Islamic thought. They attack Pakistan because we represent the intellectual attainment of the West while still retaining the noblest of Islamic ideals. Chris, who is converting to Islam along with his entire family, is giving all profits from his highly successful garment company as zakat. TFTA Apparels :wink: , his company, is also planning on setting up two large garment manufacturing centers in Pakistan.

We should take heart from the actions of Mr. Schlong and other enlightened Westerners like him. If the West had more Schlongs, Pakistan would be a much happier place :lol: .

—Virginia, USA


Chris Schlong??

Schlong ( from urban dictionary )

A penis which is a fairly good length. As opposed to a schlort, or a schledium.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby arun » 20 May 2012 12:12

^^^ :wink: From a punning standpoint perhaps the name Richard Schlong, rather than Chris Schlong, would have been better given the established nickname for Richard is Dick, a term which carries a similar connotation as Schlong in slang.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby ArmenT » 20 May 2012 13:12

chetak wrote:Chris Schlong??

Schlong ( from urban dictionary )

A penis which is a fairly good length. As opposed to a schlort, or a schledium.

Why look at urban dictionary, when you have the BRF dictionary. Chris Schlong has had his own entry in the BRF dictionary for a few years now :).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby jrjrao » 20 May 2012 17:44

If the world's oldest democracy (the US) does not stand with the world's newest democracy (the PakiSatan), then the whole of South Asia will not be politically stable nor economically viable.

So says Sherry.

Pakistan and the U.S.: A new beginning?
our 60-year special relationship... frayed...the $78 billion that Pakistan has lost on account of the war against extremism...more than 37,000 civilians and nearly 6,300 security forces killed...Benazir Bhutto gave her life...a staggering 43,726 confirmed dead...last week an additional 34 Pakistani civilians and 18 security personnel were killed... :(( :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 20 May 2012 18:12

India violating Indus Water Treaty: Pakistan to face severe water shortage

Pakistan is heading towards severe water shortage as Indian government has decided to build seven dams on rivers running into Pakistan for held Kashmir.

Pakistan has absolute rights on these rivers, as their flow is towards Pakistan and under the Indus Water Treaty India is violating the accord, said a senior member of Sindh Agriculture Forum (SAF) on Saturday.



In recent past due to the poor handling of case with India as well as in COA, Pakistan could not gain points in favour of its case, only because of a team of jurists, not sincere from the start.



:((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 20 May 2012 18:15

Pakistan distressed by Indian threats

Pakistan feels concerned and distressed over the current race between the big Powers for being the first to give the latest military equipment to India, which is boosting India’s aggressive designs. “We cannot but feel distressed and concerned over this situation which is fast developing and which poses a serious threat to Pakistan’s security,” a Foreign Office spokesman said yesterday.
He was asked to comment on Indian Defence Minister Krishna Menon’s latest statement regarding Kashmir in the course of which he had said that “India had never abjured the use of force”. This and other similar threats earlier held out by Messrs Nehru and Sanjiva Reddy “are not idle threats”, the spokesman said.

The competition between the big Powers for having the distinction of being the first to give the latest equipment and aircraft to India “is bound to alter materially the military balance against Pakistan, to increase instability in the region, and will add to the nervousness of smaller neighbouring countries”.

It is presumed in knowledgeable quarters that Pakistan must have conveyed its views on this race to such of her allies as are in it. In this context it may be noted that India is already quietly developing nuclear capability.

It is apparent that behind the façade of an imminent showdown with China, India is securing arms and equipment and aircraft in pursuance of its aggressive designs against Pakistan.


:((

from 50 years ago

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby shravan » 20 May 2012 18:26

Twitter blocked across Pakistan over 'blasphemous drawings'
http://tribune.com.pk/story/381639/twit ... -drawings/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby saip » 20 May 2012 18:54

shravan wrote:Twitter blocked across Pakistan over 'blasphemous drawings'
http://tribune.com.pk/story/381639/twit ... -drawings/


They should completely ban the internet. It is full of blasphemous drawings of Prophet.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Anujan » 20 May 2012 19:48

http://dawn.com/2012/05/20/coalition-support-fund-is-pakistans-right-presidential-spokesman/
Coalition support fund is Pakistan’s right: Farhatullah Babar
:mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby SSridhar » 20 May 2012 20:07

Indo-Pak Relations: Peace Paroxysms Strike India - Sushant Sareen, IDSA Comment
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Not surprisingly, India routinely—after every couple of months and sometimes couple of years—suffers ‘peace’ paroxysms, which result in the same mistakes being repeated simply because the same (il)logic repeats itself over and over again. With the silly season of Indo-Pak peacemaking having descended once again, it is hard not to wonder whether Einstein had India’s approach towards Pakistan in mind when he defined insanity (or was it stupidity?) as ‘doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result every time’! :rotfl:
This means that while Pakistan is trying to project the opening of trade with India as a big concession from its side, it is more of a concession that Pakistan has given itself rather than to India because in relative terms Pakistan stands to gain a lot more than India from this move. And this is really the big disconnect that often gets ignored in the debate on opening of trade with Pakistan.
Despite the US being the largest donor of economic and military aid, one of the largest trading partners, and among the largest source of remittances, all these haven’t stopped Pakistan from taking relations with the US to breakpoint. And if this is how the Pakistanis treat the US, what chance does India have?
Actually, one of the factors that has prompted Pakistan to open trade with India is its deteriorating relations with the US and the West. At a strategic level, Pakistan cannot afford to allow the eastern front with India to heat up at a time when its western front is so unsettled. {Besides, I would think that Pakistan would hope that increased trade with India would prevent attacks against Pakistan by the Western powers in collusion with India, a possibility that is not insignificant. Pakistan wants to pre-empt that possibility by befriending India at a higher level while allowing terror against her at lower levels now that the process has been made uninterrupted and uninterruptible.} At the economic level, Pakistan is seeking to diversify its trading relations to reduce its dependence on the West so that if matters do reach the breakpoint, it will have alternatives available. In other words, it isn’t so much that the Pakistanis have suddenly had a change of heart towards India; it is more that compulsions have made the military establishment allow the opening of trade with India.
India has in the past always put a lot of store on individual rulers and invariably regretted having done so.
If one were to go by the information and intelligence gathered by Indian security agencies, then there has been absolutely no change either in the Pakistani mindset or in the Pakistani policy framework; a prime example of this is Pakistan’s approach to Afghanistan where it is supporting the Taliban as a counter against Indian influence. Now either the Indian security agencies are misleading the nation (in which case they must be taken to task) or else India is once again embracing Pakistan with its eyes wide open and its brains completely shut.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Rajdeep » 20 May 2012 22:42

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Hafta-discord-US-Pak-squabble-over-transit-fee/articleshow/13317879.cms

'Hafta' discord: US, Pak squabble over transit fee

Pakistan has upped the ante and the price of cooperation since then, enhancing its reputation as a rentier state that uses self-generated crises to extract money.

But the US has hardened its stance on the issue after much debate within the administration about an apology. According to one account, the Obama administration was on the verge of issuing an apology on several occasions but backed off each time in the face of Pakistani depredations, including one episode involving Secretary of State Hillary Clinton when it was aborted midflight. The prevailing sentiment in Washington is now veering around to: When will Pakistan apologize to the world for harboring terrorists who have attacked targets across the world?

The spat between the two sides is bound to get uglier. Last week, the US Congress approved an amendment to a bill under which Washington could block up to $650 million in proposed payments to Pakistan unless Islamabad lets coalition forces resume shipments. The vote was an overwhelming 412-1 in favor of the amendment, indicative of the mood in Congress. The US also has various other levers to bring Pakistan to heel, including squeezing bilateral and multilateral aid, which it has so far been reluctant to use.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby harbans » 21 May 2012 01:18

The prevailing sentiment in Washington is now veering around to: When will Pakistan apologize to the world for harboring terrorists who have attacked targets across the world?


Sometimes the simplest of truth takes decades and generations to hit home.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby RCase » 21 May 2012 01:21

shiv wrote:
Rajdeep wrote:You forgot the S&M gear from Lawhore :twisted:

Clearly the owner of the company was one Mr Chris Schlong before he converted


Well Mr. Chris Schlong is engaged in a shariah compliant business. After all, they are manufacturing:

1. Designer burqas and masks made from hides from halal slaughtered animals that conceal facial features - for both mens and wimmens! AoA!
2. Whips and chains - these are the en-mo version of the ones that the Taliban use.
3. They are doing god's work, just like the rest of us.
4. The Pakistani wimmens don't know the uses of these, because their mens folks are already knowledgeable in beating their wimmens per the book. They just come and do their work without complaining as any slaves wimmens are supposed to do.
5. As you can see, in the background they have suras from the holy book to ensure that it is a halal compliant workshop.
6. The menfolk are practicing the art of taqiya by lying to their employees and also demonstrating their piety by covering their eyes with blindfolds and lowering their gaze when they are in the presence of uncovered wimmens.

I don't know why the reporter is upset. Must be the fault of all those uncovered wimmens working in the factory near the madrassa that was leading the pious madrassa abduls astray.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Nikhil T » 21 May 2012 02:50

More Aman ki Ashes

Coming, a tourist visa to Pak, easier travel for businessmen, elderly, kids

Visa on arrival to anyone under 12 yrs of age or over 65? No Police reporting? Wow, what are we trying to accomplish here? There is surely no significant economic benefit from having Pakistani tourists visit here; And since trade is highly restricted by Pakistan , what the hell will businessmen do while in India? What next - a visa on arrival for Bangladeshis?

To hell with this Congress govt.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby harbans » 21 May 2012 03:00

With this VOA idiocy currently on display by UPA 2..i can certain say in the upcoming months many countries are going to take away VOA for Indian citizens. When the whole world including SE Asia is closing the door on the Paki, India on whom it has waged war and hurt the most is granting VOA to these scum? Are these duffers of leaders really representing our interests? Can assure you many Paki's will get fake passports here, misuse them in other countries as Indian citizens and then as consequence, first IMs will get barred/ humiliated and then when India protests the treatment, will bar other Indians too. Stupid is not the word for these leaders. Utter incompetent fools!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Roperia » 21 May 2012 05:19



NATO summit: Zardari meets Clinton, Karzai


As of now, no bilateral meeting between POTUS Obama and the Pakistani president.AAZ.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Roperia » 21 May 2012 05:30

Cross post from Pak-Af Watch. A very important article on how Obama administration shaped its Pak-Af policy.

Charting Obama’s Journey to a Shift on Afghanistan

It was just one brief exchange about Afghanistan with an aide late in 2009, but it suggests how President Obama’s thinking about what he once called “a war of necessity” began to radically change less than a year after he took up residency in the White House.

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All combat operations led by American forces will cease in summer 2013, when the United States and other NATO forces move to a “support role” whether the Afghan military can secure the country or not.

Mr. Obama concluded in his first year that the Bush-era dream of remaking Afghanistan was a fantasy, and that the far greater threat to the United States was an unstable, nuclear-armed Pakistan. So he narrowed the goals in Afghanistan, and narrowed them again, until he could make the case that America had achieved limited objectives in a war that was, in any traditional sense, unwinnable.

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The lessons Mr. Obama has learned in Afghanistan have been crucial to shaping his presidency. Fatigue and frustration with the war have defined the strategies his administration has adopted to guide how America intervenes in the world’s messiest conflicts. Out of the experience emerged Mr. Obama’s “light footprint” strategy, in which the United States strikes from a distance but does not engage in years-long, enervating occupations. That doctrine shaped the president’s thinking about how to deal with the challenges that followed — Libya, Syria and a nuclear Iran.

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Mr. Obama began to question why Americans were dying to prop up a leader, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, who was volatile, unreliable and willing to manipulate the ballot box. Faced with an economic crisis at home and a fiscal crisis that Mr. Obama knew would eventually require deep limits on Pentagon spending, he was also shocked, they said, by what the war’s cost would be if the generals’ counterinsurgency plan were left on autopilot — $1 trillion over 10 years. And the more he delved into what it would take to truly change Afghan society, the more he concluded that the task was so overwhelming that it would make little difference whether a large American and NATO force remained for 2 more years, 5 more years or 10 more years.

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The first slide that General Lute threw onto the screen caught the eye of Thomas E. Donilon, later President Obama’s national security adviser. “It said we do not have a strategy in Afghanistan that you can articulate or achieve,” Mr. Donilon recalled three years later. “We had been at war for eight years, and no one could explain the strategy.”

So in the first days of his presidency, Mr. Obama asked Bruce O. Riedel, a former C.I.A. officer with deep knowledge of the region, to lead a rapid review. At the time, the president was still speaking in campaign mode. He talked about remaking “an economy that isn’t dominated by illicit drugs” in Afghanistan and a “civilian surge” to match the military effort. But he said little about the Riedel team’s central insight: that Pakistan posed a far greater threat.

“If we were honest with ourselves, we would call this problem ‘Pak/Af,’ not ‘Af/Pak, :rotfl: ’ ” Mr. Riedel said shortly after turning in his report. But the White House would not dare admit that publicly — even that rhetorical reversal would further alienate the Pakistanis.
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Mr. Obama agreed with Mr. Riedel, but thought the review did not point clearly enough toward a new strategy. To get it right, the president ordered up a far more thorough process that would involve everyone — military commanders and experts on civilian reconstruction, diplomats who could explore a negotiation with the Taliban, and intelligence officials who could assess which side of the war the Pakistanis were fighting on.

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The tight group of presidential aides charged with answering questions like that — of redefining the mission — began meeting on weekends at the end of 2010. The group’s informal name said it all: “Afghan Good Enough.”

“We spent the time asking questions like: How much corruption can we live with?” one participant recalled. “Is there another way — a way the Pentagon might not be telling us about — to speed the withdrawal? What’s the least we can spend on training Afghan troops and still get a credible result?”

By early 2011, Mr. Obama had seen enough. He told his staff to arrange a speedy, orderly exit from Afghanistan. This time there would be no announced national security meetings, no debates with the generals. Even Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton were left out until the final six weeks.

The key decisions had essentially been made already when Gen. David H. Petraeus, in his last months as commander in Afghanistan, arrived in Washington with a set of options for the president that called for a slow withdrawal of surge troops. He wanted to keep as many troops as possible in Afghanistan through the next fighting season, with a steep drop to follow. Mr. Obama concluded that the Pentagon had not internalized that the goal was not to defeat the Taliban. He said he “believed that we had a more limited set of objectives that could be accomplished by bringing the military out at a faster clip,” an aide reported.

After a short internal debate, Mr. Gates and Mrs. Clinton came up with a different option: end the surge by September 2012 — after the summer fighting season, but before the election. Mr. Obama concurred. But he was placing an enormous bet: his goals now focus largely on finishing off Al Qaeda and keeping Pakistan’s nuclear weapons from going astray. Left unclear is how America will respond if a Taliban resurgence takes over wide swathes of the country America invaded in 2001 and plans to largely depart 13 years later.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Roperia » 21 May 2012 05:43

Supply Lines Cast Shadow at NATO Meeting on Afghan War

CHICAGO — President Obama was struggling to manage key shifts in the relationships with his two South Asia counterparts on Sunday, as a deal to reopen supply lines through Pakistan to Afghanistan appeared stalled just as Mr. Obama began talks on ending the NATO alliance’s combat role in the Afghan war.

Mr. Obama remained at loggerheads with President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, refusing to meet one-on-one with him even though Mr. Zardari flew to the NATO summit meeting in Chicago ostensibly to finalize the supply line agreement.

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The two men, fresh off Mr. Obama’s unannounced trip to Kabul this month to sign a strategic partnership agreement, have been presenting a more unified front than in times past, when Mr. Karzai has berated American troops, threatened to join the Taliban and chastised the American-led NATO mission that is set to end in 2014.
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On the Pakistani front, however, things were less relaxed.

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But a deal on the supply lines remained elusive, and Mr. Obama would not meet directly with Mr. Zardari without it, American officials said.

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Without the deal, “it’s going to be really uncomfortable” for Mr. Zardari at the summit, the official said, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about the talks.

American officials said the main sticking point was the amount NATO would pay for each truck carrying supplies from Karachi, on Pakistan’s Arabian Sea cost, to the Afghan border. Before the closure, the cost per truck was about $250. Pakistan is now asking for “upward of $5,000,” another American official said.

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“We’re not anticipating necessarily closing out those negotiations this weekend,” said Ben Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser, on Saturday evening during a briefing with reporters aboard en route to Chicago.

Mr. Rhodes said the White House believes a deal will eventually be reached, but declined to say when it could be expected.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby ramana » 21 May 2012 05:45

If they are really, really honest its Fak-Ap not Af-Pak or Pak-Af.

And it si so because they bought the British BS about importance of TSP for their silly wars.

Silly because India by staying together and not getting tempted by bogus shock and awe can do much more damage to their game which is to contain India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Prem » 21 May 2012 07:45

Pakistan's enemies will be considered as Enemy of Iran: Ahmadinejad
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... hmadinejad
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed complete solidarity with the Government and people of Pakistan and stated "Enemy of Pakistan will be considered as Enemy of Iran". "Iran share a long history of friendship with Pakistan and enjoy common history, Religious and cultural values Iranian people will stand to support Pakistan in all times to come," he said in meeting with Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan Federal Minster for Regulation & Services along with Religious Scholar Khanam Tayyaba Bokhari who called on him in Tehran. The President discussed wide range of issues with the Minister that included Economic, Social/cultural/Relegious and Reproductive Health. The Meeting lasted over an hour in which President directed the cultural Minister for Preparing an offical document for supporting Iqbal cultural centre Sailkot. The President directed Iranian Health Minister to foster further relation in the field of Pharmaceutical production and making use of each other technologies, and in the area of Reproductive health. The President emphasized that women play a significant role in societal/political and economic development he advised to enhance the women to women contact in order to strengthen ties between two countries. The President appreciated Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan Minister Regulation & Services and Khanam Tayyaba bokhari for playing their role in bringing in the Relationship of two countries closer at state and individual level. The President directed Iranian Red cresent to work closer with Pakistan Red Cresent on the issue of women emancipation and post flood rehab in part of Sind and Punjab. The MoU,s between the two countries of the above mentioned initiatives will be signed during the upcoming visit of Irainain President to Pakistan in August 2012. Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan is currently on an official visit to Iran, where she was invited as chief Guest to International women Health conference at Tehran.

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Postby Prem » 21 May 2012 07:56

Bheekh mangana bhi ek dhandha hai

Pakistan to seek $1bln at Chicago summit
ISLAMABAD: Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar said President Asif Ali Zardari would demand one billion dollars in Nato's Chicago Summit and the reimbursement via Coalition Support Fund is Pakistan's right.According to him, President Zardari would present Pakistan's view regarding war on terror and its dire consequences on national economy.'We are with international community in fight against this menace but it cannot be won by military means only. Poverty and unemployment are two big reasons of extremism.'

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Postby SSridhar » 21 May 2012 08:02

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan's enemies will be considered as Enemy of Iran: Ahmadinejad
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... hmadinejad

Didn't Cameron say the exact same thing last week ?

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Postby shiv » 21 May 2012 08:16

SSridhar wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Pakistan's enemies will be considered as Enemy of Iran: Ahmadinejad
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... hmadinejad

Didn't Cameron say the exact same thing last week ?



This is a finger up the US's backside and is bound to cause taqleef to the Shitistan army, the US's ally in the region.

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Postby anupmisra » 21 May 2012 08:42

Rajdeep wrote:'Hafta' discord: US, Pak squabble over transit fee


Hafta is the best way to describe what the pajistanis want. US rejects high Pakistan fees for supply routes

US-Pakistani talks on reopening vital supply routes for Nato forces in Afghanistan have faltered over Islamabad’s “unacceptable” demand to charge steep fees for trucks crossing the border, a senior US official told AFP Sunday.
Pakistan also has failed to present a coherent, consistent position in the negotiations
The official confirmed that Pakistan has proposed an exponential increase in fees, from the current rate of about $250 per truck to “thousands of dollars.” “That’s, in a word, unacceptable,” he said.


By the way, duspercenti received a grand welcome from the look on Hillary Clinton's face (watch the grin on Sherry's face):

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Postby Anindya » 21 May 2012 09:20

From Pundits debate role of India, the silent operator in Afghanistan

Participating in the panel discussion at the United States Institute of Peace (USIP), an independent, nonpartisan conflict management center created by Congress...

Sunil Dasgupta from the Brookings Institution referred to Afghanistan as a test ground to check how big a power India has become and suggested that an Indian withdrawal from Afghanistan is the best solution.


Best for whom, I wonder?

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 21 May 2012 10:14

read in full; closing in on Salman Taseer territory

Lal Masjid: rewarding an insurrection
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
Published: May 21, 2012

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Postby Prem » 21 May 2012 10:29

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-N ... ban-s-view
NATO summit: The Taliban's viewThe Taliban issued a statement ahead of today's NATO summit in Chicago, expressing frustration with the coalition's moves to 'prolong the occupation.

Hours before the start of a major NATO summit in Chicago, the Taliban's main spokesman released a lengthy statement signaling the insurgency was open to a political solution to the conflict but accused NATO of "wavering in their stance" on negotiations.The Islamic Emirate has left all military and political doors open," read the statement, written in English and attributed to spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid. "[H]owever the invaders are utilizing a one step forward, two steps backwards tactic. They are conjuring artificial excuses to prolong the occupation of Afghanistan, are wavering in their stance and do not seem to have a clear strategy for a political solution."Until NATO stops wavering, the statement continues, the Taliban considers the coalition's calls for talks to be "meaningless
Obama's two-pronged message of peace talks but prolonged troop presence unsettled what appeared to be a Taliban strategy of running out the clock on the US withdrawal target of 2014. The Taliban's statement today suggests the insurgency is irked by the move to "prolong the occupation."Whether Obama's gambit pushes the Taliban to publicly return to negotiations remains to be seen. While today's statement signaled openness again to negotiations, it also expressed doubts about NATO's sincerity in wanting to leave. "The foreigners should forgo prolonging and complicating the Afghan issue for their colonialist objectives," the statement reads.

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Postby Roperia » 21 May 2012 11:17

Anindya wrote:From Pundits debate role of India, the silent operator in Afghanistan


Sunil Dasgupta from the Brookings Institution referred to Afghanistan as a test ground to check how big a power India has become and suggested that an Indian withdrawal from Afghanistan is the best solution[/color].


Best for whom, I wonder?


When did we get into A'stan that we have to withdraw? Is he asking us to close our dozens and dozens of consulates near the Paki border? If it is that I've got news for the Prof, well they aren't there, its a figment of paki hallucination.

or is he telling us to stop investing in A'stan? Given the US and EU are drawing down, I wonder how that is going to work. Plus many surveys have pointed out that our work is really making a difference on the ground be it in health, roads, power etc.

Actually, I heard someone say in a panel discussion that in MEA all these people of Indian origin are most welcome to help Indian foreign policy objectives but its made clear that India's interests will be defined by bureaucrats in MEA.

Anyway, I should watch the podcast when it is available before making more off hand remarks.

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Postby pgbhat » 21 May 2012 14:29

Satya_anveshi wrote:read in full; closing in on Salman Taseer territory

Lal Masjid: rewarding an insurrection
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
Published: May 21, 2012

Nevertheless, our courts say that they cannot find any evidence of wrongdoing during the entire six-month long saga. They say there are no witnesses or acceptable evidence. Abdul Aziz and Umme Hassan (his wife, who heads Jamia Hafsa), therefore, stand exonerated. Also lacking, they say, is proof that the Lal Masjid accused possessed heavy weaponry.
But Islamabad’s residents know better. When the showdown came in July 2007, machine guns chattered away as mortars and rocket launchers exchanged their deadly fire. Copious TV coverage shows armed madrassa students putting on gas masks to avoid the dense smoke. The final push left 10 of Pakistan’s crack SSG commandos dead, together with scores of defenders. A tidal wave of suicide attacks — as promised by the clerics — promptly followed.
AoA!!! :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby K Mehta » 21 May 2012 14:39

IMHO
The opening of trade ties with India is only to bring the black market to white and make the baki civilian government earn from it by taxing it.
That is one of the ways to make the civilian govt earn without affecting the chowdhris of pakjab and other elites as well as businesses. The tab will be picked by Indian industries as the balance of trade is highly tilted towards India.

Also I think the HRC visit to Didi was not for teesta or any other thing, but to get approval for the lease of engines for the NLC to be used for the allies. Notice how the lease thing has moved after the visit!
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Postby Aditya_V » 21 May 2012 14:52

pgbhat wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:read in full; closing in on Salman Taseer territory

Lal Masjid: rewarding an insurrection
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
Published: May 21, 2012


AOA , may the Mullahs of Lal masjid take over Pindi and Isloo and inhabitants along with visting WKK ( all of them) be subject to thier pious rule.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby SSridhar » 21 May 2012 15:43

pgbhat wrote:
They say there are no witnesses or acceptable evidence.

I am not surprised. Firstly, there is a big conversion or migration to Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi/Ahl-e-Hadith theology among Pakistanis. This implies that finding people willing to testify against the barbarians is going to be (increasingly) that much tougher. Secondly, immediately after the SSG operation at Lal Masjid, there was a countrywide great outrage against Musharraf for that. That showed the depth of feeling Pakistanis have had for the barbarians. Thirdly, no judge is going to speak against the terrorist tanzeems or extremist thoughts and still hope to be alive the next day. We have seen this behaviour in the series of acquittals of high-profile terrorists, or against the 26/11 masterminds or in blasphemy cases etc.

That is why, GoI's policy of hoping to turn the relationship around through trade ties or cultural exchanges and the like is doomed and flawed and still-born.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby harbans » 21 May 2012 15:53

Scanning through the comments section of RCB molestation affair i found this comment:

malhotra (peshawar)
1 hr ago (01:35 PM)
HELP!! they are attacking our guru gorakhnath mandir in Peshawar!! all murties and everything has been burnt !! please someone help us...we don't know what is going to happen next! times of India please report this !!! please please !!


On Googling did find this happening:

PESHAWAR: In a brazen act of vandalism, unidentified men sneaked into a Hindu temple in the capital city of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa on Sunday, smashed a holy figurine and burnt down scriptures and images of deities.

“We opened the temple around 6pm and found all holy scriptures and images burnt down. A statuette of Lord Shiva was also smashed to pieces,” Ramesh Lal, a priest at Guru Gorakhnath temple, told The Express Tribune.

The temple is situated in the Gorgathri neighbourhood inside the walled city.

Peshawar, which is believed to be one of the oldest living cities of South Asia, houses dozens of monuments and structures from the Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh and British eras.

The priest said that the community had reported the incident to the local police who gave them the customary cold-shoulder.

“Vandals smashed a statuette of Lord Shiva to pieces and burnt down the holy Gita as well as several images of our deities,” Lal said. The temple, according to him, did not have armed guards because the government pays scant attention to the security needs of a Hindu place of worship.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/381884/reli ... -peshawar/

How much of a Hindu/ Sikh community would be left in places like Peshawar as of today? I doubt anything much can be done to protect temples and stupas there. But people certainly can be allowed inside into the country. Shrine after ancient shrine is burnt in the fire of hatred by the Islamists. The losses to humanity are just incalculable.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby uddu » 21 May 2012 16:22

I wish to see an India extending to the doors of the Europeans. One day we'll achieve that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

Postby Rajdeep » 21 May 2012 16:28

Obama refuses to meet Zardari in Chicago

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Obama-refuses-to-meet-Zardari-in-Chicago/articleshow/13353199.cms

In a rebuff to Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari, US president Barack Obama did not meet him on the margins of the NATO Summit in Chicago as the two countries failed to strike a deal on reopening the NATO supply lines to Afghanistan.


However, a deal to reopen the supply lines fell apart as Obama began talks on ending the NATO alliance's combat role in Afghanistan in 2013, The New York Times said. The failure to strike a deal ahead of the summit injects new tension into the relationship, it said.


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