Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby ramana » 23 Jun 2012 09:35

SSridhar wrote:
ramana wrote:Next he will try to find Muhammad's sword Zulifqar!

ZAB, the self-confirmed social secularist, chose talwar as his election symbol and associated his name 'Zulfiqar' cleverly with that. In the end, all that drama did not help him as a more pious 'monkey General' found him troublesome. BTW, Ramana, I thought Zulfiqar was the sword of Hazrat Ali.



You are right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfiqar

Two swords were captured from the temple of Manat in the Raid of Sa'd ibn Zaid al-Ashhali. Muhammad gave them to Ali, saying that one of them was Al-Dhulfiqar, which became the famous sword of Ali and a symbol of Shia Islam[1]

[1] 1. ^ Religious trends in pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, By Ghulam Mustafa (Hafiz.), Pg 11, Author writes:Similarly, swords were also placed on the Idols, as it is related that Harith b. Abi Shamir, the Ghassanid king, had presented his two swords, called Mikhdham and Rasub, to the image of the goddess, Manat....to note that the famous sword of 'Ali, the fourth caliph, called Dhu-al-Fiqar, was one of these two swords



Looks like a rakshasa sword in a Vitalacharya movie!

BTW if it was captured from a temple, most likely its a Ram dao type of sword.

The context was Prof Skyhawk claiming a broken sword belonging to a Hindu monarch like in Lord of the Rings!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Prem » 23 Jun 2012 10:23

US, Pakistan heading towards collision
http://dawn.com/2012/06/23/us-pakistan- ... collision/
WASHINGTON: The US-Pakistan relationship appeared to be heading towards a head-on collision as an American general blamed Friday’s deadly attack on a Kabul hotel on Fata-based militants and the White House vowed to take the steps needed to mitigate this threat.Earlier on Friday, the US media reported that Washington had considered launching retaliatory attacks at terrorist targets inside Fata but concerns about destabilising Pakistan prevented it from doing so.“We’ll take steps necessary to mitigate that threat,” said a White House official, while commenting on AP report.Asked if the White House could send US soldiers across the border to chase down those militants, White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest said: “I won’t preview the kinds of things that are being discussed, and frankly, whether or not they’re even being discussed by the administration.”But, he said, he could share with the reporters that “this threat is something that we have talked about quite extensively both publicly and privately.”Also on Friday, Defence Secretary Leon Panetta indicated that the US was not going to accept Pakistan’s demand for an apology over the Salala incident, which caused Islamabad to block Nato supply routes to Afghanistan.pakistan is unwilling to reopen the routes without an apology.Asked whether he would oppose any further apology, Mr Panetta told the Reuters news agency: “We’ve made clear what our position is, and I think it’s time to move on.”But the most detailed analysis of US-Pakistan relations came in a televised discussion between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and one of her predecessors, James A. Baker.Secretary Baker noted that the relationship was in a ‘terrible’ shape, adding that this was “really sad, because for the duration of the Cold War they were our ally, and India was the ally of the Soviet Union, and now all of that is changed”.Mr Baker disagreed with those who suggested severing ties to Pakistan.He suggested cutting off US aid to Pakistan to “get their attention” while maintaining a relationship with them.“First of all, I completely agree it is not in our interests to cut off our
relationship,” she said while explaining her approach. to .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Hari Seldon » 23 Jun 2012 10:33

US and Pak 'heading towards collision' mantra has been repeated >108 times already and still there's nothing to show for it.

Waiting for Pak to implode on its own has also yielded nothing specific so far except vague signs here and there with zero follow-up.

Getting unkil to actively stop preventing paki implosion would be nice and unkil seems to be nudging in that direction, all too slowly only. Am so inured now that I'm not even following this particular line of events.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Prem » 23 Jun 2012 10:57

ZAB, the self-confirmed social secularist, chose talwar as his election symbol and associated his name 'Zulfiqar' cleverly with that. In the end, all that drama did not help him as a more pious 'monkey General' found him troublesome. BTW, Ramana, I thought Zulfiqar was the sword of Hazrat Ali.


Persians made many copies of this Sword of Ali to be kept by the ruling families. One was presented to Guru Gobing Singh ji by the Mogul King and it is still there in Anadpur Sahab.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Roperia » 23 Jun 2012 11:23

Jhujar wrote:
US considers launching joint US-Afghan raids in Pakistan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... n-pakistan

US, Pakistan heading towards collision
http://dawn.com/2012/06/23/us-pakistan- ... collision/



Opinion piece on the same lines by Michael Kugelman The darkest days of the US-Pakistan relationship | Yawn

Can the Indian FM do a press conference touching upon these key points (obviously taken from State Department's 65 years of "lecturing India" book)

1. We are closely monitoring the situation and we urge both sides to use restraint.

2. We expect both US and Pakistan to behave as responsible nuclear powers, any escalation of tensions would destabilize the larger Af-Pak region (US South Asian experts will recognize this language).

3. We urge Pakistan to crackdown on safe heavens but we must also recognize that US has not done enough to allay Pakistan's concerns which fuel its support to such groups, about a stable, independent and peaceful Afghanistan - antithesis of a Jihadi, client state of Pakistan (again US cashmere analysts should recognize this language).

4. We hope that neither side would attempt something that would deteriorate the situation further and we urge the Government of the US to work with "independent" Judicial system of Pakistan to bring the perpetrators of these weekly deadly attacks on US soldiers to justice (Again US experts who commented on Mumbai should be comfortable with this language.).

---End of speech's draft---

By the way, the Pakis are killing US soldiers every week by conducting brazen Special Forces attacks in the heart of Kabul and the best US has been able to do are these leaks, EVEN in an election year. So much for being the sole-superpower-of-the-world! Makes me understand more why India hasn't invaded Jihadistan after all these years, especially after Mumbai.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Rajdeep » 23 Jun 2012 11:55

ramana wrote: .................................

The context was Prof Skyhawk claiming a broken sword belonging to a Hindu monarch like in Lord of the Rings!


Isnt this guy worshiping the sword like some sort of a divine object , wouldnt that make him waji bull cutlet ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Roperia » 23 Jun 2012 13:16

Manmohan congratulates new Pak PM

Please give Dr. MMS a peace prize before he gives something to earn it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Suppiah » 23 Jun 2012 13:19

Christine Fair raises some very pertinent questions and is scathing...so nice to read this. Words like 'perfidy' are strewn all over the article..showing clearly Pakbaric sewer sh.tistan's double game is now all but over.

One thing even us in BRF missed - TSP has not investigated or prosecuted any doctor that gave birth to OBL's ' :rotfl: numerous children through numerous wives' instead goes after Dr. Afridi.

There are lessons in it for India too. The Beijing puppet Stalinist rapist goon cabal that wears a liberal/WKK mask and goes about supporting Pakistani jehadi terror in India, in the name of 'secularism' to pursue their own anti-Hindu, anti-India pro-Beijing pogrom, should be asked to read this too. Not that they would stop lying..

Unkil and India should coordinate and execute a pre-emptive nuclear attack on TSp that completely vaporises Pakjab, liberates Baloch and Pashtun land, neturalises Pakbarianistan as a possible threat to humanity for next 5000 years.

The war on terror can be declared closed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Suppiah » 23 Jun 2012 13:27

From the Yawn report posted earlier...

http://dawn.com/2012/06/23/us-pakistan- ... collision/

“And at the very least, they ought to stop double-dealing us,” said Secretary Baker. “Yeah, at the very least,” Secretary Clinton agreed.

“And they should release Dr Afridi,” she added.


Double deal is effective IF AND ONLY IF it is not seen as such. Once seen so clearly and transparently you become a 'mridangam' - get banged on both sides. That is exactly what is happening to Pakbaric sewer sh.tistan and there is more on the way..best efforts by Beijing puppets in India to save their paymaster's proxytute notwithstanding..


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Multatuli » 23 Jun 2012 14:23

Roperia wrote:

Can the Indian FM do a press conference touching upon these key points (obviously taken from State Department's 65 years of "lecturing India" book)

1. We are closely monitoring the situation and we urge both sides to use restraint.

2. We expect both US and Pakistan to behave as responsible nuclear powers, any escalation of tensions would destabilize the larger Af-Pak region (US South Asian experts will recognize this language).

3. We urge Pakistan to crackdown on safe heavens but we must also recognize that US has not done enough to allay Pakistan's concerns which fuel its support to such groups, about a stable, independent and peaceful Afghanistan - antithesis of a Jihadi, client state of Pakistan (again US cashmere analysts should recognize this language).

4. We hope that neither side would attempt something that would deteriorate the situation further and we urge the Government of the US to work with "independent" Judicial system of Pakistan to bring the perpetrators of these weekly deadly attacks on US soldiers to justice (Again US experts who commented on Mumbai should be comfortable with this language.).

---End of speech's draft---


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Roperia ji, I don't think the GoI would ever dare issue such a statement (certainly not the present regime), but really, we should have independent think tanks in India for precisely this kind of psy-ops.

The surprising thing is that a country the size of India does not already have at least a dozen think tanks to regularly issue such policy recommendations for the US/Europe/China/Porkistan. And of course, the Indian media should give wide publicity to such recommendations/advice.

In India however, we see the exact opposite happening with "social activists"/"eminent intellectuals" of the fake liberal variety/media persons (also of the "secular" kind) conducting psy-ops against/putting pessure on India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Yogi_G » 23 Jun 2012 15:33

Zaid Baba never disappoints to amuse.

Pakistan will have to create its own political model

Pakistan need a massive surgery and overhaul of the political system. There are many models available in the world. Pakistan will have to create its own model according to our own problems, threats and challenges. Iran's model is an impressive adaptation to suit Iranian needs and prevent foreign involvement and corruption in government and politics.

Iran has full democracy, tailored to national needs, which is a unique, interesting and effective political model which greatly prevents corruption and foreign interference in Iranian politics.

Iran have democracy but NO political parties. Eureka Eureka! :rotfl:

Iranian President is directly elected by the nation from a selection of chosen top few patriots. Only the finest and the best come to power from the best of the best. :rotfl: The election commission selects the candidates from the entire nation. Anyone can become Ameer, President or Raees e Jamhoor as they call it.

Iran always have a technocratic government. Finest of the technocrats are selected by the President as his team to make the Cabinet and government. They are NOT elected by the people.

Clean, patriotic Politicians can come into the parliament through elections but NO politician can become Minister or hold Public office. Imagine, politicians do not have power and money in their hands!! They make laws in parliament and debate the policy but implementing the policy, power, positions belong to the team of the President who are highly professional technocrats.

The office of the Supreme Spiritual leader oversees the strategic direction of the state and gives general policy guidelines to Parliament and President. In Pakistan this can be done by National Security Council comprising of top political, government, judicial and military officials.

In case of dispute between parliament and President, Supreme Court or the office of Supreme leader can intervene.

Armed forces are under the control of the Supreme Leader and then the President. That is why, there can never be a military coup in Iran. Ju sir are now wajib-ul-cutlet No need as all organizations work under strict control and discipline, delivering justice and peace to the nation.

The media is strictly controlled by the state and no ideological, spiritual or national subversion can be done in the name of Azad media. Media is used to create a patriotic, responsible nation and to extend the national economic, military, foreign policy goals into the world. Iran's press is finest and most responsible in the Middle East to protect their national interests. Net is filtered to prevent filth and subversive sites. :(( does that include your site as well?

The Pakistani politics is sick, dirty and filthy because politicians come into parliament to become minister and hold powerful money making public offices and then rob, loot and plunder the public wealth ruthlessly. The politicians and ministers are mostly Jahils, uneducated idiots who knows a jack about governance and management, foreign policy and national security but insist on holding the critical jobs of ministers and control money. Iranian model has blocked this path of corruption and incompetence.

The existing system of dozens of political parties created on the basis of ethnic, linguistic, regional prejudices and power in the hands of corrupt, incompetent and treacherous political leadership has eaten the roots of this millat.

We need to create our own model. By giving example of Iran, we have shown that living nations solve their own problems and do not remain slave to the system of democracy or dictatorship. The media and the politicians corrupt the government and spread anarchy because both remain uncontrolled and unaccountable.

Take the power out of the hands of politicians, control the media and bring in patriotic passionate technocratic government led by a strong dignified President or Ameer, King or Sultan or Chief Executive or Khalifah -- name does not matter -- and we have a solid combination to build Pakistan. InshAllah Khair!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Suppiah » 23 Jun 2012 16:17

8 cleaned out and made pure at laundry shop by the purest..

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... oad-quetta

Police hopedfeared that the shooting incident could be outcome of personal enmity

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby chiragAS » 23 Jun 2012 16:31

I couldn't believe he used the exact phrase used in BR.


The way we give zillion hits to TSP sites, you will have all types of lurker coming in.
Whatever happened to giving haram links a caution note. :roll:

In between some folks atleast used to mess with URL spelling. but now open links..
its like a BR mine field :D by mistake also you click anywhere in this thread you land up straight to the land of pure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby RajeshA » 23 Jun 2012 17:03

chiragAS wrote:
I couldn't believe he used the exact phrase used in BR.


The way we give zillion hits to TSP sites, you will have all types of lurker coming in.
Whatever happened to giving haram links a caution note. :roll:

In between some folks atleast used to mess with URL spelling. but now open links..
its like a BR mine field :D by mistake also you click anywhere in this thread you land up straight to the land of pure.

chiragAS ji,

good of you to speak of this again.

I have suggested earlier and suggest again that one should simply write the link within "Code" tags. Thus it would not be clickable. No need to fudge on the link. Anybody who wishes to use the link, can copy it and paste it in the location bar of another browser window or tab, and follow it up. Google and other bots would not see it as a link.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby jrjrao » 23 Jun 2012 17:21

To go with the morning chai biskoot:
We take exception to Pakistan's placement on the Failed States Index published in Foreign Policy magazine.

Pakistan today is on the cusp of an epochal transition.

The true measure of a nation is not the number and magnitude of challenges it faces, but how it rises to meet them. Measured against that yardstick, Pakistan has hardly any equal.

Nadeem Hotiana is press attaché at the Embassy of Pakistan in Washington, D.C.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ates_index

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SSridhar » 23 Jun 2012 17:27

Meanwhile, US vows to take steps to mitigate threats of safe havens in Pakistan
"Our concern about militants using Pakistan as a safe haven from which to launch attacks against our forces is well known," White House deputy press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters travelling with President Barack Obama on Air Force One, to Tampa. "We'll take steps necessary to mitigate that threat," the spokesman said in hard comments after US commander of Nato troops in Afghanistan General John Allen accused the Haqqani network of orchestrating a 12-hour siege on a lakeside hotel in Kabul that killed 18 people yesterday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Suppiah » 23 Jun 2012 17:28

Us impure kufrs here at BR rarely post any bad nooz about TSP..most of it is positive nooj. So why worry if people clicky? Let them click until their mouse squeals...and learn all about Paki-satan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby anupmisra » 23 Jun 2012 17:43

Here's a gem of a positive news on pa'astan. Keeping the blonde-haired memsahibs and high heeled motormas oblivious and busy through these turbulent times.

Floral Art Society of Pakistan holds meeting

..monthly meeting under the title ‘Evolution in Floral Art’
change of terminology where ‘flower arrangement’ came to be known as ‘Floral Art’
this could be termed as the ‘Modern Style’ and is being accepted as the ‘Pakistani style’ of floral art
The audience was enthralled to see this display and appreciated the information shared


See how it works? Keep the paki glitterati busy in mundane stuff and they will find a reason to celebrate the simpler achievements in their lives, such as "floral arts"! So much so that they will create new terms for it to boost their deflated egos. "Flower arrangements" becoms "floral arts" (and therefore a worthwhile activity) is akin to "retreating from the front" becomes "advancing to the rear".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby anupmisra » 23 Jun 2012 17:50

And in these wildly oscillating turbulent times in the bastion of peace and the fortress of tolerance comes this proclamation: Forced conversion against the spirit of Islam

Harsh words, unnecessary debates, coercion, and undue stress on details are not allowed especially when the respondent is a non-Muslim
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spread Islam amicably
Author: All Pakistan Ulema Council Chairman Tahir Ashrafi expressed these views in his weekly programme Deen-o-Dunya on Business Plus

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SSridhar » 23 Jun 2012 17:53

anupmisra wrote:Keep the paki glitterati busy in mundane stuff . . .

Don't grudge them their brief window to simple pleasures of life. What else can they do ? There is no cinema hall, dance, music & drama events need permission which is never given etc. and the Talibanized version of Sharia is just around the corner. They can enjoy the 'floral art' only till November 2012.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby anupmisra » 23 Jun 2012 18:05

And the finger of accusation again falls on: Paki tellibunnies

NATO commander accuses Haqqani network of Kabul attack

The US commander of NATO troops in Afghanistan on Friday accused the Pakistan-based Haqqani network of orchestrating a 12-hour siege on a lakeside hotel in Kabul that killed 18 people
General John Allen blamed the al Qaeda-linked network in a statement just weeks after US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta said the United States was running out of patience with Pakistan over its refusal to eliminate terror havens.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SSridhar » 23 Jun 2012 18:21

Illustrious sons of Potohar
It must be embarrassing for MMS to be compared to Pakistani politicians. Let it be, but what caught my eye was this:
A recent report said people of Singh’s native Gah village in Chakwal district of Potohar suffer less from electricity blackouts than the rest of Pakistan – thanks to Manmohan Singh.

According to the report, his childhood friends in Gah sent him congratulatory messages when he assumed the office of Prime Minister of India in 2004. In response, Singh asked what he could do for his native place – and in following years Indian teams installed solar panels brightening up the village.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Rajdeep » 23 Jun 2012 19:19

Yogi_G wrote:Zaid Baba never disappoints to amuse.

[url=http://takbeeremusalsal.[b]blogspot.in[/b]/2012/06/pakistan-will-have-to-create-its-own.html]Pakistan will have to create its own political model[/url]

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby sunnyP » 23 Jun 2012 19:41

Another corrupt Paki cricketer exposed.

Danish Kaneria, the Pakistan legspinner, has been banned for life from any cricket under the jurisdiction of the ECB after being found guilty of corruption by a disciplinary panel in relation to the spot-fixing case involving Mervyn Westfield.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/con ... 69411.html

And his excuse:

I will definitely appeal because injustice was given to me because I am from Pakistan? The way they treated me was very unfair.


http://pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?p=4912180

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby g.sarkar » 23 Jun 2012 20:19

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... _armed_men
......
"As Pakistanis baked in the sweltering heat without electricity or running water, facing an increasingly jobless future and little hope for improved education or health care, most people ignored the missile tests. India had been carrying out similar rocket tests, but has not faced anything close to Pakistan's economic malaise......"
While indulging in the new habit of criticizing Pak, the old habit of doing ungli to India is impossible to resist. Adat se majbur hai.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Gus » 23 Jun 2012 21:07

wtf is a floral art? arranging flowers in a pattern?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby shyamd » 23 Jun 2012 21:54

You Might Have Missed: David Sanger’s Revelations

by Micah Zenko
June 22, 2012

This week, I’ve compiled highlights from David Sanger’s recently released book, Confront and Conceal: Obama’s Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power, that address national security concerns, from cyberwars to drone strikes and targeted killings.

So now, every three months or so, the Americans try to meet the Pakistani nuclear establishment, as discreetly as possible. The United States is represented by Thomas D’Agostino, head of the National Nuclear Security Administration, and Robert Einhorn at the State Department; the Pakistanis are represented by General Kidwai and his staff. Because of huge Pakistani sensitivities, the meetings are never announced, and to avoid discovery and the inevitable questions that would follow, they take place in cities where the participants can slip in and out unnoticed, from London to Abu Dhabi. One administration official said the process has impressed the White House with “how seriously the Pakistanis take nuclear security, perhaps more seriously than anyone else in the world.” Nevertheless, U.S. officials still fear things could rapidly spiral out of control if Pakistan ever imploded, an eventuality, he added, that “you can’t handle with better training and equipment.” (66-67)

(3PA: Sanger also points out, “Pakistan, as Obama told his staff in late 2011, could ‘disintegrate’ and set off a scramble for its weapons. It was his biggest single national security concern, he told them—and the scenario he had the least power to prevent.” [112])

They saw no other option: when they asked the CIA to bring them, one more time, the array of “kinetic options”—physical attacks on Iran’s facilities from the air or from the ground—none of them looked workable. “It was a very short conversation,” one participant in the review said later. (192-193)

And the core of the American argument [to Israel] was simple: attack Iran, and you set the program back a few years, but you solve nothing. “We wanted to make it abundantly clear that an attack would just drive the program more underground,” one of the key participants in the talks that day told me later. “The inspectors would be thrown out. The Iranians would rebuild, more determined than ever. And eventually, they would achieve their objective.” (229-230)

“But there are two big ways we can make mistakes,” he [senior intelligence official] added. “One is to forget that sometimes a light footprint can cost you more in the long run than going into a place with a much more decisive force—that was the lesson in Afghanistan. And the second is to fall in love with a whiz-bang technology, because it’s easy to justify relying on it more and more. And that’s when a tactical weapon can begin defining your strategy.” (244)

No one is more frustrated by this silence [over CIA drone strikes] than American diplomats in Islamabad. They argue—on background, of course, because they are taking on the White House—that Obama’s refusal to move at least some of the program out into the open is making it impossible to answer critics of the strikes who appear on Pakistani television several times a week, charging that a strike has killed children or other civilians. Oftentimes, the diplomats tell me, those charges are just wrong. “We are doing ourselves a disservice,” one senior American diplomat said to me. The secrecy prevents Americans from explaining who was hit, why they were on the list, and whether there was any collateral damage—and to admit to mistakes when they happen. The result is that the Taliban wins the propaganda war, fueling the argument inside Pakistan that culminated in the April 2012 vote in the Pakistani parliament to ban all drone strikes. (250-251)

It is a subject I have discussed at length with many different officials inside the government—from policymakers to intelligence officials to the lawyers who work on the elaborate legal rationales for what can be struck, and what cannot. And in the administration’s own deliberations on the policy, you can detect a distinct unease, because they know that while the weapon is far more accurate than it once was, they have become far more dependent on it—some say addicted to it—than ever before.

“Overdependent, in my mind,” one current official involved in the debate said to me late in 2011. “Let’s face it: These days, it’s our only way into Pakistan. We can’t put Special Forces on the ground—it was hard before the bin Laden raid, and it’s just about impossible now.” Impossible because the Pakistanis have thrown out most of the American trainers who helped Pakistani forces focus on insurgents, and Pakistan has denied visas for many CIA operatives. So, as the official said, “The only option, when you have actionable intelligence, is to send in a Predator and conduct the strike as accurately as you can. I think that’s a wise policy.” But he also acknowledged that “it’s hard to distinguish this, in a practical sense, from targeted assassination.” (254-255)

As the meeting of the NSC convened on the afternoon of March 15, Obama was presented with satellite photos and other intelligence that Qaddafi’s forces had already reached the town of Ajdabiya, the final stop on the way to Benghazi. It would be days, if not hours, before the Libyan military would launch an assault that could result in the massacre of thousands. But the only options presented to Obama involved doing nothing or enforcing a no-fly zone—which was close to doing nothing.

“What are we discussing at the UN? A no-fly zone?” Obama asked, turning to Admiral Mike Mullen, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “Mike, is a no fly zone going to stop anything we just heard about from happening?” Mullen shook his head. “No sir.”

“Well, then what we are even discussing here? Why are we even having this meeting? Obama snapped, according to participants in the session. “If you’re telling me that this guy is tearing through his country, about to overrun this city of seven hundred thousand people, and potentially kill thousands of people—why is the option I’m looking at one that will do nothing to stop that scenario?”

Nobody in the room knew what to say. (343)

(3PA: As I pointed out at the time, a no-fly zone (NFZ) would have a negligible impact on protecting civilians in Libya. Eventually, of course, a NFZ was implemented, albeit selectively enforced.)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Virupaksha » 24 Jun 2012 01:01

a 3-member bench did so summarily in a short order on 19th June on the basis of a highly dubious clause of the constitution which has never been used before according to which Mr Gilani has been deemed not to be a good Muslim or Amin!

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 622&page=1
Was Groper dismissed on the charges of not being a good muslim

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Paistan - Laughing stock of the world

Postby Vayutuvan » 24 Jun 2012 01:06

NightWatch For the Night of 22 June 2012
Pakistan: Pakistan People's Party (PPP) and its allied parties elected Raja Pervez Ashraf as Pakistani prime minister on 22 June. Ashraf received 211 votes whereas Pakistan Muslim League-N candidate Sardar Mehtab Abbasi received 89 votes.

Comment: Although the US congratulated Pakistan on settling its leadership controversy, Ashraf also is suspected of corruption for his management of power projects when he served as minister for water and power. His election does nothing to dismiss the image of a corrupt government.

The Chief Justice may be expected to insist, as a first order of business, that the new prime minister revive the corruption investigation against President Zardari or also face contempt of court finding.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Roperia » 24 Jun 2012 01:27

Gilani goes: Pak still in turmoil after SC verdict? | CNN-IBN's Worldview with Suhasini Haidar

Interesting perspective from Asma Jahangir.

Hamid Mir says abdul Paki is rather happy that rule of law has been established. That's the irony of the whole thing, abdul Paki was happy when Mush was ousted and distributed sweets when Nawaj was imprisoned by Mush. :rotfl:

Abdul Paki likes disruption, it doesn't believe in evolution.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jun 2012 04:56

Virupaksha wrote:
a 3-member bench did so summarily in a short order on 19th June on the basis of a highly dubious clause of the constitution which has never been used before according to which Mr Gilani has been deemed not to be a good Muslim or Amin!

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 622&page=1
Was Groper dismissed on the charges of not being a good muslim

In 1988 Mohammed Khan Junejo was dismissed by Gen. Zia citing his inability to carry forward Islamization by timely introduction of Shariat. However, thr real reason was different.

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There's been much discussion of Zardari's use of his relationship with the Americans to keep the PA in check. The article raises an interesting question about the extent to which he's been able to use the Chinese for the same purposes.

Does the PLA even care about whether Zardari survives in power? Seems unlikely. On the other hand its the civilian CPC ministers who make the decisions about financing the deals that provide the Pakistani military with affordable weapons and the transfer of design information. But what would the CPC Politburo Standing Committee get from Zardari that they couldnt get from the PA? A more serious, if weak ally in the struggle with Uighur militancy?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby shiv » 24 Jun 2012 07:35


Soory to go on an OT pisk drive, but when I saw the word "worried" I guessed, rightly as it turns out, that the link led to an Indian media portal. :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Virupaksha » 24 Jun 2012 07:58

SSridhar wrote:
Was Groper dismissed on the charges of not being a good muslim

In 1988 Mohammed Khan Junejo was dismissed by Gen. Zia citing his inability to carry forward Islamization by timely introduction of Shariat. However, thr real reason was different.

Oh! I know the real reason.

However the following question, since Groper was a muslim and has now been declared as not a good muslim..

Groper is wajib-ul-cutlet and its every Paki's duty to take care of this blashphemy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby Prem » 24 Jun 2012 08:39

Faisla Aap Ka, Hassan Nisar, June 20, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=narl-U82 ... ure=relmfu
There are more Syeds In South Asia than the whole population of Arabia. :rotfl:

Watch the inbred low IQ TFTA, True Arabian Breed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRTlrmFm ... re=related
They dont even spare Children anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1eE8MoD ... re=related

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SBajwa » 24 Jun 2012 09:00

According to the report, his childhood friends in Gah sent him congratulatory messages when he assumed the office of Prime Minister of India in 2004. In response, Singh asked what he could do for his native place – and in following years Indian teams installed solar panels brightening up the village.


If true!! then This is so stupid and idiotic that it hurts!!

Instead of asking the people of Gah about what happened to the property, house of his fore fathers he donates them with solar panels!!!

The day pakistan is over I will go back to my grand father's place and file a writ asking for the property to be restored to my descendants!!!!! and I hope that all Punjabis, Sindhis and Bengalis who have to leave their homes due to Djinnah should do the same!! keep records of the property of your ancestors in that land and the day we have nationalist government who thinks more than appeasing the terrorists we should get it back.

Hard work is not just in your own life but all the lives before you and that are following you!! You become wealthy only if you consolidate on the hard working of your ancestors otherwise all generations will keep on studying hard and working hard while politicians will donate and reward the terrorists!!

MMS needs to donate electric solar panels to the poor villagers all over India (North East and Naxal hit areas)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby archan » 24 Jun 2012 09:23

SBajwa wrote:MMS needs to donate electric solar panels to the poor villagers all over India (North East and Naxal hit areas)

donate? the question is whether he paid for it from his salary or was it Indian taxpayer's money?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jun 2012 09:40

No Pakistani, whether civilian or khakhi, can afford to be unfriendly to China and China knows that only too well, especially in these troubled times when its 3½ seems to have dwindled to just a shaky 1. China will be least worried therefore by a change of guard. Anyway, Rental Raja has indeed made the usual reference to China in his maiden speech after assuming power. Zardari will soon undertake another one of his uninvited visits followed by that of Kayani's and everything will be all right.


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