Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Jul 2012 11:05

To go with the above cartoon, a couple of days old article by Colonel (Retired) Anil Athale which I do not recollect seeing posted on BRF:

The insanity of resuming cricket ties with Pakistan

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 22 Jul 2012 13:07

jamwal wrote:

That picture needs an addition. BCCI at the India border with hafta collection bag.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Jul 2012 15:10

X Posted from the the “Pakistan Arms Sales, Ops, Doctrine Etc.” thread.

Back in 2001 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via military dictator and chief of army staff General Pervez Musharraf was lecturing the world on the need to stop the bombing campaign in Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan as it would have “an adverse effect in Muslim countries” and "a negative fallout in the entire Muslim world." ( Musharraf: Ramadan bombing will have bad fallout).

So how does it now become halal for the uniformed Jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to bomb co-religionists during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan ?

Airstrikes kill 15 militants in Orakzai Agency: Officials

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 22 Jul 2012 15:17

SSridhar wrote:
Roperia wrote:‘Project Karachi’ still a threat to India | TOI
So long as 'Project Pakistan' exists, such dangerous sub-projects will continue to threaten India.

All this is fault of hardliners like you and others on BRF....all that we need to do is give away Siachen and add Sir Creek to it...this CBM will ensure that Pakistan does not have motivation for such projects...all your fault onleee...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jul 2012 15:35

rohitvats wrote:
SSridhar wrote:{quote="Roperia"}‘Project Karachi’ still a threat to India | TOI
So long as 'Project Pakistan' exists, such dangerous sub-projects will continue to threaten India.
All this is fault of hardliners like you and others on BRF....all that we need to do is give away Siachen and add Sir Creek to it...this CBM will ensure that Pakistan does not have motivation for such projects...all your fault onleee...

Don't forget the Indian team playing weekly cricket matches with the pakis and "donating" all proceeds to the paki "cricket board"

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Jul 2012 15:46

pradeepe wrote: That picture needs an addition. BCCI at the India border with hafta collection bag.

And Beijing puppet pro-jeahdi anti-hindu mass murderers, rapist goons and their fake-liberal yellow agents, with a few useful idiots thrown in, dancing as cheer girls in short skirts and tight tops..

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 22 Jul 2012 17:43

2 conditions sealed India, Pakistan series

NEW DELHI - Before India agreed to host Pakistan this December, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) gave two conditions to Pakistan Cricket Board — don’t expect any penny from the series as it will be treated as a home series and secondly, there won’t be any Indo-Pak matches in neutral venues as reciprocal series. Sources said that the Indian board gave these two conditions to PCB, which the latter agreed without any contention.

Sources close to the development told TOI that Pakistan were so desperate to resume stalled cricket ties with India that their cricket board agreed to BCCI’s conditions. It was also revealed after PCB decided to agree to BCCI’s condition, the matter was discussed in the working committee on July 16.

Later PCB assured India that if any reciprocal series happens in future, the first choice will Pakistan. “Both the board agreed on some conditions and the protocol will be followed as per the agreement,” a source told TOI. As of now, India won’t be touring Pakistan in current situation.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jul 2012 18:07

Brad Goodman wrote:2 conditions sealed India, Pakistan series

Sources said that the Indian board gave these two conditions to PCB, which the latter agreed without any contention.

Looks like BCCI left "money on the table" in this deal. Losers! Could have and should have asked for more.

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 Jul 2012 19:35

arun wrote:X Posted from the the “Pakistan Arms Sales, Ops, Doctrine Etc.” thread.

Back in 2001 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via military dictator and chief of army staff General Pervez Musharraf was lecturing the world on the need to stop the bombing campaign in Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan as it would have “an adverse effect in Muslim countries” and "a negative fallout in the entire Muslim world." ( Musharraf: Ramadan bombing will have bad fallout).

So how does it now become halal for the uniformed Jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to bomb co-religionists during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan ?

Airstrikes kill 15 militants in Orakzai Agency: Officials

Sharp memory!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jul 2012 19:46

Another coveted ranking achieved
Double click: The State of failure

A Washington based organisation called Fund For Peace, released the Failed State Index this month. Pakistan ‘earned’ the 13th place and was marked under the red flagged, ‘Warning’ category because of its “high inflation, unemployment and youth bulge,” which “threaten future economic growth,” in the country.

Pakistan has been called a failed state numerous times. Most recently by US congressman Dana Rohrabacher who bluntly said it to Yousuf Raza Gilani’s face on his last state visit

We are an economically declining, jihadi-run, factionalised country with a history of repeated coups and links to Taliban and Al-Qaeda as our defining features.

And just the fact that we are not amongst the ‘top ten’ of the failed states, is perhaps small consolation

Youth bulge? Must be because of the high rate of pakis googling their favorite subjects.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jul 2012 19:56

Travel Warning! (also, coffee spill warning!)
Pakis advised not to visit Syria!! LaWhore via Kuwait!

Foreign Office, on Saturday, imposed travel advisory on Pakistanis travelling to Syria. “In view of the deteriorating security situation in Syria, all Pakistani citizens particularly the zaireen (pilgrims) are strongly advised not to travel to Syria.”

In a tit for tat response, Syrian authorities advised their citizens to not speak to or consort with pakis traveling through Syria in the forlorn hope of illegally entering Greece for a better life (now, that's another story full of irony).

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Jul 2012 20:06

There's shame in giving and a bigger shame in receiving. Here's the ultimate shame in beggary. At what point do alms become an insult? Never, for a paki. UAE delivers 13.2 tonnes of dates for needy people

United Arab Emirates Consul General (CG) in Karachi, Suhail Bin Matar Al-Ketabi handed over 13.2 tonnes of dates to the Red Crescent Sindh chairperson Farzana Naik for distributing among needy people, here on Saturday.

Al-Ketabi (meaning, of The Book) said that the people and the government of UAE sent dates to their brothers annually in the holy month of Ramazan. So this is a yearly beggary!

In response the paki motormama said:

Naik thanked Al-Ketabi for their support to the underprivileged people of Sindh. Talking about the bilateral relations of both countries, she said that Pakistan and UAE had long lasting relations. “They were the first, who came forward to help their Pakistani brothers at the time of natural calamities. They helped us tremendously during our times of hardships,” she added.

Now, shouldn't that be their government's responsibility?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2012 20:11

Roperia wrote:Militants commence Ramazan campaign | Yawn
Militants welcomed Ramazan with a string of attacks on Saturday that claimed 21 lives and injured at least two dozen people
Mohammedans in Pakistan kill each other during Ramadan. This suggests that Pakistan is digressing from the path of Islam. . . .

Roperia, I take a different view. I would say that such a 'string of attacks' green-on-green indicates that the purest form of Islam is indeed spreading in the Land of the Pure. This goes back to Islamic history. The arbitration between Ali (prophet's cousin & son-in-law) & Muwaiya led to the birth of the Kharajis. Enmity developed between them and Ali and Ali was assassinated by one of the Kharajis eventually. In Islamic history, the Kharajis are notorious for terrorism.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2012 20:18

Brad Goodman wrote:2 conditions sealed India, Pakistan series
. . .Sources close to the development told TOI that Pakistan were so desperate to resume stalled cricket ties with India that their cricket board agreed to BCCI’s conditions.

Why is Pakistan so desperate when there is no money for it in the series and there is no possibility of a reciprocal series ? Is the ISI pressurizing the PCB (not that anybody or any organization in Pakistan needs much pressurization in helping the PA/ISI in a larger terror cause against India) to accept it for its own nefarious purposes ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2012 20:23

arun wrote:X Posted from the the “Pakistan Arms Sales, Ops, Doctrine Etc.” thread.

Back in 2001 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via military dictator and chief of army staff General Pervez Musharraf was lecturing the world on the need to stop the bombing campaign in Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan as it would have “an adverse effect in Muslim countries” and "a negative fallout in the entire Muslim world." ( Musharraf: Ramadan bombing will have bad fallout).

So how does it now become halal for the uniformed Jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to bomb co-religionists during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan ?

Airstrikes kill 15 militants in Orakzai Agency: Officials

Excellent, arun.

But, that was kafir against Believers. This is Believers-on-Believers. Naturally, in green-on-green encounters, the attackers become Better Believers and the attacked less so.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jul 2012 21:00

SSridhar wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:[url=http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... tan-series]2 conditions sealed India, Pakistan series[/url . . .Sources close to the development told TOI that Pakistan were so desperate to resume stalled cricket ties with India that their cricket board agreed to BCCI’s conditions.
Why is Pakistan so desperate when there is no money for it in the series and there is no possibility of a reciprocal series ? Is the ISI pressurizing the PCB (not that anybody or any organization in Pakistan needs much pressurization in helping the PA/ISI in a larger terror cause against India) to accept it for its own nefarious purposes ?

It's a much desired stepping stone to IPL and all that follows. The very public redressal and reversal of their rejection from the Indian cricket scene (and the Indian public space TV, DDM & what not) which had bitterly hurt their fragile islamic egos. This step has assuaged that long isolation and rejection.

Many ISI folks will of course slip through to disappear without a trace in the cricket visa melas. That is surely a better way to infiltrate than chancing a warm welcome by the IA at the border.

They have foolishly been given an in by the poodle underachiever. Watch them act up soon in show their true ayrabic colours.

Usually they do the rejecting, you see. Rejection of all things India has been their identity and forte for the past sixty odd years. They claim to have arabic forefathers while unfortunately looking like us Indians all the while. They (as are our muslims, unfortunately) are frequently and contemptuously dismissed as "hindi mulsims" in the gulf by the ayrabs.

Under it all they are desperate for Indian recognition as so that they can possibly reject us publicly again (and feel like the good pakis that they want to be). Silly nation with a complex split personality and all the attendant psychological ramifications. Their innermost fear is that they are Indian after all. Our WKK folks blithely speak of common shared heritage all the while and this must surely hurt them deeply where it hurts them on a "civilizational" level.

Has anyone in the world , WKK included, ever acknowledged their self claimed “ayrabic heritage”?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 22 Jul 2012 21:34

chetak wrote: Don't forget the Indian team playing weekly cricket matches with the pakis and "donating" all proceeds to the paki "cricket board"

What about all the water that India is "stealing" from Paki rivers. Why should that also be not part of CBM. Say Shukar to Allh that Pak is not nuking all the dams in a jiffy. See that is one CBM from Paki side.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jul 2012 00:24

pradeepe wrote:
jamwal wrote:[img]http://That picture needs an addition. BCCI at the India border with hafta collection bag.

The picture will be complete with WKK, MMS and other welcoming the guests with folded hand and half bow. Instead of Crossing Attari by land or coming by the Air, Let GOI/BCCI show big heart and arrange sailboat for them all the way from Karachi to Mumbai.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jul 2012 04:48

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_2

Irritants in India-Pakistan relations — Abd UrraahMaan Chodhury

The proposed withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan in 2014 will pose a challenge to Pakistan. It is hard to imagine how Afghanistan will shape itself after the departure of NATO. The Taliban have acquired significant strength in recent years and without a political settlement, the future governance of the country remains deeply uncertain. Given the unrest in the tribal areas, discontent in Balochistan and uncertainty in Afghanistan, normalisation of relations with India has turned crucial for Pakistan. The ongoing secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan as part of confidence building measures has been tried many times in the past but produced no result. There is a compelling need and urgency on the part of Pakistan to develop a new strategy to improve relations with its southern neighbour. During World War II, France and Germany were bitter enemies; Germany occupied France but after the war was over, both countries buried their past and normalised their relationship. Both countries are dominant partners of the European Union, having even accepted a single currency. France and Germany are taking similar positions on international issues. In the 1960s, Indonesia and Malaysia had bitter relations. President Seokarno threatened to see the end of Malaysia before the dawn of 1966. Over the years, they have overcome the situation, joined ASEAN and established friendly relations. In international relations, there is neither a permanent friend nor a permanent enemy. Nations bury their past to move forward for the wellbeing of the people. Normalisation of bilateral relations is extremely important and cannot be left to bureaucrats alone. Politicians are better placed to negotiate and make a peace deal. There is no better time to launch a peace offensive now in order to be prepared for future challenges.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jul 2012 04:56

Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai

We are the pariahs of the world

The day our Islamic heroes were demolishing the minaret in a house of worship, I happened to come across a bearded gentleman in the Lahore High Court who introduced himself as a luminary of the Khatm-e-Nabuwwat. He boasted, “Mirzais (Ahmedis) have been reduced to the level of chooras (sweepers) and will soon bite the dust by the grace of God.” The irony could not be clearer. While the world celebrates Dr Salam and by association (at the great man’s insistence), Pakistan, these various hate-mongers are busy denouncing and denigrating not one but two peaceful communities who have always contributed to the progress of Pakistan, with the full force and might of the state. No wonder then the entire world now treats us as pariahs at best and lepers at worst. The ideological heirs of the Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam who had called Pakistan ‘Kafiristan’ (land of infidels) and Jinnah ‘Kafir-e-Azam’ (the biggest infidel), and the ideological heirs of Maududi, who called Pakistan ‘Na-Pakistan’ (non-Pakistan), have now brought us to the brink of disaster. We are staring into an abyss and Maududi’s children are driving us there. Like India, we too are world famous for IT, except that in our case IT stands for international terrorism. Is this what we want for ourselves?What revenge the mullahs have taken for their total political annihilation by the Muslim League in pre-partition India! The Munir Report tracks the resurgence of the Majlis-e-Ahrar post-1947 and conclusively shows that the whole anti-Ahmaddiya sentiment was manufactured to weaken the Muslim League government in Karachi. The current state of affairs vis-à-vis religious minorities cannot continue indefinitely. The world is waiting and watching and will pounce on us. The maltreatment — and make no mistake, it is maltreatment of the worst kind — of religious minorities is a rather large stick to beat us with. Our laws stand in gross violation of almost every article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. As and when our ‘strategic importance’ recedes and it would someday, the world will notice this even more. We will lose our access to western markets and our citizens will find themselves unwelcome in most countries of the world. An increasing number of Pakistani expatriates will try and pass themselves off as Indians or Bangladeshis. The disdain with which our Islamic puritans dismiss Christians and Ahmadis will pale in comparison to the outright disgust we will experience every time one of us will hold out a green passport with the words ‘Islamic Republic of Pakistan’ on it. This would not just be the case in the west but even our Muslim brethren will turn against us. In a surprising poll, a significant number of Turks, who once opened up their hearts and homes to Pakistanis, have an unfavourable view of Pakistan and Pakistanis. Iranians and Afghans already hate us. Saudis are always willing to sell us out as is obvious from their recent actions vis-à-vis Abu Jindal.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Jul 2012 05:03

Reporting all is Well In the land of Poaqupides

14 militants killed in Orakzai

At least 14 militants were killed and several others injured during military operation in Upper Orakzai Agency of country’s northwestern tribal region, security force’s sources said on Sunday.The official sources said that the armed forces pounded safe houses of the militants in Mamozai, Khadizai and other areas of upper Orakzai region, destroying at least 3 hideouts of terrorists.“At least 14 militants were killed in the operation,” officials added.

7 Coast Guards killed in Gwadar

QUETTA – Gunmen Saturday stormed a Coast Guard camp and killed seven soldiers in Gwadar district, the winter capital of Balochistan.Though some parts of the province are facing active insurgency but this costal district has been relatively calm. A spokesman of the Baloch Liberation Front (BLF), an anti-state group, calling from unspecified location claimed the responsibility of the attack.Gwadar Deputy Commissioner Sohailur Rehman told TheNation that unidentified armed men riding motorbikes and vehicles encircled the camp in Peshokan area, some 30KM west of Gwadar town, and opened indiscriminate fire on the security personnel with sophisticated weapons, killing seven of them and wounding another.However, some other sources said that eight coast guards were killed and three wounded in the attack that came on the afternoon by eight armed men, who came on motorbikes and swiftly fled the scene after the attack.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Jul 2012 05:28

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai

We are the pariahs of the world
We are staring into an abyss and Maududi’s children are driving us there. Like India, we too are world famous for IT, except that in our case IT stands for international terrorism. Is this what we want for ourselves?

Pee-aref lurker. From BRF dictionary: https://sites.google.com/site/brfdictio ... ssary/i/it

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Jul 2012 06:23

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai

"We are the pariahs of the world — Yasser Latif Hamdani"

The man is a fraud who speaks with a forked tongue. He wails and lament that Shitistan lives up to its name and from the other side of his mouth he says:

Saudis are always willing to sell us out as is obvious from their recent actions vis-à-vis Abu Jindal.

For this ass hole the arrest of a terrorist who was given a Pakistani passport and his deportation to India was a "sell out" of Pakistan. In fact this nincompoop is an exact example of a Paki who has no clue about anything in any direction other than "Kill the kafirs" - the perfect Muslim

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2012 06:41

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai

From the above,

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto laid the foundations of Islamisation in Pakistan. General Zia took it to the next level.

This is exactly what we have been saying here. I am happy that at least somebody in Pakistan recognizes that.

Otherwise, I agree with the assessment of this guy by Shiv.

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jul 2012 07:35

Press attache of the embassy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan whines about an editorial in the Washington Post.

It is grimly satisfying to see that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s attempt to support Mohammadden Terrorism targeting India rebounding back onto itself and resulting in losses of “6,344 security personnel and 37,674 civilians”:

Letter to the Editor

Pakistan’s thriving democracy and grievous sacrifices
Monday, July 23, 4:38 AM

Regarding the July 17 editorial “Impenetrable Pakistan”:

Pakistan enthusiastically welcomed NATO’s use of Pakistani supply routes for almost a decade and halted access only to protest the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers by NATO troops in an unprovoked attack at Salala in November. As soon as the United States apologized, trucks began to move once more.

Allegations of “political dysfunction” overlook the fact that Pakistan has rebounded from decades of U.S.-backed dictatorship with a robust democratic process, including the first civilian parliament to finish a five-year term, a thriving civil society and an independent judiciary. Pakistan will hold free and transparent elections within this year.

Our nation has paid the highest price for our stance against extremism. Since Sept. 11, 2001, Pakistan has lost at least 6,344 security personnel and 37,674 civilians. Billions of dollars have been diverted away from development to bolster security.

The Post called us “belligerent.” A better characterization would be “resolute.” We are resolute in our struggle to preserve our young democracy. Toward that end, we welcome the friendship of all democratic governments, especially the United States.

Nadeem Hotiana, Washington

The writer is press attache for Pakistan’s embassy in the United States.

Clicky

The Washington Post editorial referenced in the letter to the editor is available here:

Washington Post Editorial

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Jul 2012 09:06

SSridhar wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:[url=http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... tan-series]2 conditions sealed India, Pakistan series[/url . . .Sources close to the development told TOI that Pakistan were so desperate to resume stalled cricket ties with India that their cricket board agreed to BCCI’s conditions.
Why is Pakistan so desperate when there is no money for it in the series and there is no possibility of a reciprocal series ? Is the ISI pressurizing the PCB (not that anybody or any organization in Pakistan needs much pressurization in helping the PA/ISI in a larger terror cause against India) to accept it for its own nefarious purposes ?

Here is my take. There is a huge piskological factor. Remember, TSP is involved in a long-term war, and they believe that one day, Srinagar will be theirs, then of course the green crescent over the red fort, or short of that both India and TSP go up in smoke. Thats their only mission. They don't view their current woes as coming in the way of that long-term strategy, its a minor blip. And a crucial element in this strategy is India TSP equal equal in the eyes of "international community" and many in India and TSP. So, resumption of cricket is essential to this equal equal mantra. Imagine with kirket on, fans going wild, all of TSP's crimes will be forgotten. The western media will come up with some condescending crap about India and TSP making piss. The same old mantra, people of "both sides" desire peace, but for "extremists on both sides". Expect Undie TV et. al go bersek on TSP magnanimity. If TSP wins, its an even bigger PR bonanza for TSPA/ISI. Restoring that kind of equal equal is good way for TSP to reboot from their current woes.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 23 Jul 2012 09:45

If ISI is on board, then does that mean there will not be any Terrorist dhamaka in India till December otherwise the series is off.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2012 10:11

TSP High Commissioner Speaketh

We need to develop our common space. This means the whole spectrum - economy and trade, combating terrorism together {how the hell did he say that with a straight face !}, improving our people's daily lives. There's so much we can learn from each other. Both our countries have great talent - doctors to IT specialists, some of the world's best bankers.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Jul 2012 10:22

^^ He meant Indian Information tech ( IT) and TSP specialty, International Terrorism ( IT)

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 23 Jul 2012 10:30

Ouch

Exports: Bangladesh leaves Pakistan behind

Bangladesh for the first time has left Pakistan behind in exports as the former has surpassed an unprecedented mark of $24.3 billion during last fiscal year as compared to $23.6 billion figures registered on account of Pakistan's exports.

more: http://www.brecorder.com/business-a-eco ... 9/1218755/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2012 10:39

Army Left High & Dry - DT Op-Ed by Brig A.R.Siddiqi, former ISPR Chief

The 1965 war brought Islamic sentiment into the dazzling limelight as a weapon of war. Even in the opening phase of the local battle in the Rann of Kutch, in the depth of the Sindh desert, the Islamic lore was invoked. . . . The mock guerrilla Operation Gibraltar, launched in the first week of August 1965, collapsed within less than a week of its launch. . . The military, under Field-Marshal Mohammad Ayub Khan, invoked the weapon of Islam even on the first day of the war. He recited the Kalama-e-Tayyaba in his first address in a broadcast to the nation at 12:00 high noon.

During this war, Pakistan Navy decided to bombard the non-strategic town of Dwarka on the Gujarat coast since it was associated with the Hindu mythology of Mahabharat and the operation was therefore aptly code-named “Operation Somnath” symbolizing the looting & terror inflicted by the jihadi Islamists on the nearby and the famous Somnath temple two centuries before. The reference to Gibraltar was to the Rock of Gibraltar which was named as ‘Jebel al Tariq’ by the Muslim invader Tariq bin Ziad. Similarly, the various units of the invading guerrilla army forces were named as Tariq, Ghaznavi, Salahuddin, Qasim and Khalid, all thus named after Muslim war heroes. President FM Ayub Khan recited the kalima over the state radio and warned India that the kalima-reciting Pakistani cannot be silenced by the Hindu Indians.

Of course, terror was used formally (though it has been used since 1947) in this war. The earliest support for terrorism in India was in c. 1964 when Pakistan set up the Master Cell in the state of Jammu & Kashmir to assist the 1965 war objectives.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 Jul 2012 11:19

From DT editorial..

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_1

The surprise attack [referring to the recent purification] caught the Coast Guards unawares and unable to retaliate. The attackers got away with all the arms and ammunition of the Guards in classic guerrilla fashion. Later, the Baloch Liberation Font claimed responsibility, one of a slate of nationalist guerrilla groups operating in resistance to the prevalent kill and dump and military operations policy in the province led by the Frontier Corps and intelligence agencies with the backing of the regular military

But to single out Balochistan would not be just , since the rest of the country, and particularly the northwestern reaches, are not much better off

the forcible annexation of the province to Pakistan in 1948

...India should take it up with the self-determination loving TSP..

where Pakistan is considered worldwide as the epicentre of terrorism and a state not to be trusted

Where is the towel throwing thread?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2012 12:04

UK Businessmen want more Pakistani trouble
I suspect that the headline is mischievous and a common request to ease visa norms for students is being misreported in DT as Pakistan-specific to massage H&D.

Top British businessmen have urged British Prime Minister David Cameron to remove Pakistani students from official immigration figures to avoid choking off a valuable source of wealth and skills.

The businessmen warned that visa restrictions designed to bring net immigration below 100,000 a year would deter wealthy foreigners from outside the European Union.

Among those calling on Cameron to reverse the policy are CEO WPP and Formula One Non-executive Director Sir Martin Sorrell, CBI former director general Lord Jones and Lord Bilimoria. {Is this Lordship of an Indian descent ?}

They say Britain needs “to be able to attract the best minds from around the world” and that the country needs “to send a clear message that genuine international students are welcome to study in the UK”.

The business leaders added, “They are integral to the success of British business and we must do everything we can to ensure their future contribution is not compromised.”

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Jul 2012 12:20

Happy Birthday Zardari: You need a good year

It is easy to feel admiration and not a little respect for Pakistan’s president Asif Zardari, who turns 57 on Thursday, July 26.

Like our Manmohan Singh he rarely allows himself to be interviewed by his own media, because journalism on the subcontinent is quite poor. And so while there is much reported about him, and rightly, his defense is rarely taken up.

Let’s look at Pakistan’s leader as he enters the most difficult period of his tenure.

Zardari’s official website says that after school he “further pursued his education in London where he studied Business.”

This is sub-continental code for “attended some sort of institution but couldn’t get a degree”, so clearly he didn’t pursue it well.

There’s no shame in this and it doesn’t preclude a successful career in our politics.

Like all Indian prime ministers since 1991, he has been in power without a parliamentary majority for his party.

But he has been skilful at playing with a poor hand. He is like one of the later Mughals who had to use tact and guile rather than force, which was unavailable to them. Like those hapless royals, he heads a state with expenses far in excess of revenue and a military not entirely in his control.

Even so he has weathered more crises than any Pakistani leader. And it’s a long list: Army pressure over a memo on national security his ambassador was supposed to have written to the US, an ordinance (since struck down) which dismissed all cases against politicians, the anger over CIA agent Raymond Davis who killed two ISI stooges in Lahore, regular drone strikes in the frontier province that kill Taliban without Pakistani consent, a severe energy shortage, corruption in this Cabinet, an aggressive Supreme Court and an aggressive media.

And he has done this without losing his cool or exhibiting signs of distress.

With great skill he has kept the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party together. He has united it in its anger at how the judiciary has behaved with it. Initially sulking leaders like Amin Fahim, who wanted to become prime minister after Benazir Bhutto’s assassination, have stayed with it. Zardari continues to command the loyalty of men of the calibre of barrister Aitzaz Ahsan, one of the smartest PPP leaders. As president he doesn’t have executive power, but there is no question that he is the undisputed leader of the PPP. His word is final.

The Sindhi fans of the PPP (called jiyalas) have unconditionally accepted him as the heir to the house of Bhutto. This has mainly to do with his marriage, but it helps that he is temperamentally a PPP man. Like Bhutto, he is a Sindhi-speaking Baloch, and like Bhutto he is Shia in a country of Sunnis.

Internationally, he’s seen as moderate, more so than Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan. It is Zardari, more than his rivals, who is more aligned with what the rest of the world thinks on the war on terror.

As a politician, Zardari has no equal in Pakistan. He has kept his disparate coalition together and managed the difficult MQM brilliantly. He has coolly let go those partisans of his whose passions got the better of them and angered his coalition partners.

Zardari’s patient response to what many see as the excesses of the judiciary will eventually benefit him. His political goals are modest. Unlike Imran, who says he will transform Pakistan in three months of power, all Zardari wants to claim is heading an elected government that finished its term, a first for Pakistan. The reason why I said this was the most difficult part of his tenure is that though only six months are left for Parliament to complete its term, the Supreme Court is bent on sending it home earlier. It is insisting that the prime minister send a letter to the Swiss government to revive a corruption case against Zardari, or be jailed for contempt. Zardari rightly says that this is wrong in law because the constitution gives him immunity. But the court is obstinate and, having sent home one prime minister, is likely to do the same to another one day before Zardari’s birthday on Thursday.

Except for his unbending posture on this issue, Zardari is flexible and pragmatic he’s the sort of leader Pakistan should have. If he had a freer hand he would have normalised with India by stomping down on militants. He says he hates them as much as we do because they murdered his wife, and he is right.

As a man he is personally courageous and there is no other example of a Pakistani leader who faced jailed with such stoicism. There was a BBC report which claimed Zardari attempted suicide in jail in the late 1990s, during Nawaz Sharif’s second term. If true, this was probably tactical more than out of frustration.

Zardari is not the sort of man who gives up because a few things are going against him and his years as president have shown us this. He looks ahead, and doesn’t wring his hands too much.

Happy birthday, Mr President.

Wierd thing is that this is a (f)article written by a Indian, Aakar Ahmed Patel.

The same $%@^ writes amazin drivel about India though. Sad that our country is saddled with such folks who dont even emigrate and stay back here and keep cribbing and lusting after TSP.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 23 Jul 2012 12:28

SSridhar wrote:UK Businessmen want more Pakistani trouble

Sridhar sir,

Incidentally, I followed this piece of news.

Its actually hilarious that the editorial board of Baki newspapers lets these misinformed Bakistani reporters suffering from inflated egos and deflated brains to morph any news to soothe Paki H&D.

Here is what actually happened -

Back in June Foreign Secretary Mathai asked his counterpart Simon Frase to ease the visa rules to allow an easier flow of businessmen, and entrepreneurs and students between the two countries. Here is the news story published that time -India asks UK to ease visa rules | TOI

Here is the PTI report on what UK business leaders actually said. Top UK business leaders for change in student visas | PTI

In its report, PTI quotes excerpts from The Sunday Times editorial 'Britain needs the world's best brains' which remarks

"At a time of enormous change in the global economy, when Britain needs to forge relationships with the rapidly growing emerging economies, this is more important than ever. Countries such as China, India and Brazil are sending record numbers of young people abroad to study."

Gist of the story - India actually took up this case with British authorities, NO country was mentioned by British business leaders in their remarks, The Sunday Times editorial mentions China, India and Brazil AND Islamic republic of Pakistan isn't mentioned even once.

The country of Pakistan and its pious citizenry suffers from a misplaced sense of self-importance and its newspapers feed morphed stories to satisfy their collective ego.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Jul 2012 12:50

http://www.rediff.com/sports/report/lon ... 120723.htm

A major visa scam has been unearthed by a leading UK based tabloid, involving a ring of corrupt Pakistani officials and politicians, which could give potential terrorists the chance to enter Britain with Pakistan's Olympic [ Images ] team.

The investigation was centred on the Lahore-based Dream Land travel agency prosecuted nine years ago for human trafficking.

Meanwhile even taller than moutain and deeper than ocean friend is not safe in the land of the pure

Bomb blast near Chinese embassy in Karachi: Just in: There's been a bomb blast in Karachi in an area populated by several consulates.

The Pakistani newspaper Dawn reports that a loud explosion was heard in Karachi's Clifton area near the Chinese embassy. Police and rescue teams reached the site of blast.

The bomb was fitted on a motorbike that was parked near the Chinese consulate area. No loss of life had been reported and three motor vehicles were damaged as a result of the blast, he added.

Police cordoned off the area as investigations went underway.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 23 Jul 2012 12:57

Breaking News
There's been a bomb blast in Karachi in an area populated by several consulates.

The Pakistani newspaper Dawn reports that a loud explosion was heard in Karachi's Clifton area near the Chinese embassy. Police and rescue teams reached the site of blast.
The bomb was fitted on a motorbike that was parked near the Chinese consulate area. No loss of life had been reported and three motor vehicles were damaged as a result of the blast, he added.
Police cordoned off the area as investigations went underway.

Ref : TOI , Rediff

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 23 Jul 2012 13:49

shiv wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai
"We are the pariahs of the world — Yasser Latif Hamdani"

The man is a fraud who speaks with a forked tongue. He wails and lament that Shitistan lives up to its name and from the other side of his mouth he says:
Saudis are always willing to sell us out as is obvious from their recent actions vis-à-vis Abu Jindal.
For this ass hole the arrest of a terrorist who was given a Pakistani passport and his deportation to India was a "sell out" of Pakistan. In fact this nincompoop is an exact example of a Paki who has no clue about anything in any direction other than "Kill the kafirs" - the perfect Muslim

YLH is a well known troll in the discussion website Chowk . c o m. I know this from my time there in an year long past. A cursory glance at his past comments there immediately proves this. The fact that he has graduated to writing accredited articles, only reaffirms the trashiness of Dailywhines.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Jul 2012 14:11

Roperia wrote:Gist of the story - India actually took up this case with British authorities. . .

Aha . . . Roperia ji. Thanks. My suspicion was right, then. It is like the Muslim League piggybacking on Indian freedom movement and getting a nation for themselves !