Let us Understand the Chinese - II

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m_saini wrote:^ And I wouldn't dismiss their efforts anyway. Time and again the chinese have shown themselves capable of innovating by hook or by crook. I still remember how surprised everyone, including CIA, were when they showed off their j20s.

The speed by which they churn out ships, their meteoric rise, their industrial base etc everything about them screams extraordinary. I wouldn't count their semi-conductor push dead just yet. They're trying, which is much more than anything that can be said for us.
From a Korean outlet ( translated):
Starting production of 45 nano semiconductors
The 45-nanometer semiconductor that Huawei is going to produce on its own is technically far below the global market standard. Currently, Samsung Electronics and Taiwan's TSMC are producing 5-nanometer semiconductors.

However, Huawei seems to be making its own production as a long-term plan for self-sufficiency of semiconductors. "In response to U.S. sanctions, Huawei is trying to establish a whole self-sufficiency system of semiconductor technology by establishing a process system for semiconductor design automation (EDA), material manufacturing, processing and semiconductor manufacturing.

Recently, Huawei, CEO of consumer affairs, said, "We need to take full control of semiconductors." It shows the intention of semiconductor independence.


Huawei Will Be Self-sufficient for Semiconductor
Producing 45 nanometer semiconductors is not a big deal. However, in the IT industry, Huawei's production of its own chip is an important variable. In the meantime, Huawei entrusted the mobile AP designed by its subsidiary, HiSilicon, to TSMC in Taiwan, the world's No. 1 foundry company. Through this, it has secured a high-performance giraffe chip.

However, as the US restricts the supply of semiconductors manufactured by US companies using semiconductor equipment and software to Huawei, Huawei will no longer receive chips from TSMC in Taiwan. Semiconductor equipment of US companies such as Applied Materials is essential for semiconductor manufacturing. Huawei decided to expand the Dimen City AP designed by Taiwanese media tech. In addition, Huawei will begin production on its own.

The semiconductor industry is paying attention to Huawei. HySilicon, a subsidiary of Huawei, has already been tested for its semiconductor design ability and ranked 10th in sales in the first half of this year. If Huawei makes a technical alliance with Chinese foundry SMIC based on high silicon technology, it will be possible to produce semiconductors in the mid 10 nano range.

However, it is expected that the world's top semiconductor production will be far away. It is not easy for Chinese semiconductor to produce less than 10 nano semiconductor at a time when the supply of such equipment is blocked due to US sanctions.
Outstanding achievement if they are able to make these 45nm chips by themselves. Is not the greatest and best but is just 1 step behind the best and is good enough for most requirements ( bulk of usage is still in 65nm/45nm/28nm except smartphone processors or advanced server processors)

Just their statement of intent means they are putting all their efforts into it and given the semiconductor talent they have, i think they will achieve what they started out.
I really like their approach of starting with the older 45nm first and then taking it from there by getting ready for the tougher challenges by the time they make the older one work.

I only hope we will emulate them in such nationwide support of national level goals and keep working on what is available at hand instead of seeing brochures of the best and getting disheartened that we couldn't reach it and so lets scrap everything and buy outright
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My laptop has a 45nm chip. It works fine for pretty much everything.

Really don't understand this obsession with 'we must have the best or nothing at all' nonsense.
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sum wrote: I only hope we will emulate them in such nationwide support of national level goals and keep working on what is available at hand instead of seeing brochures of the best and getting disheartened that we couldn't reach it and so lets scrap everything and buy outright
+1008.

It's disheartening to see some people complain about "re-inventing the wheel" here whenever India tries to do something. And the sad part is this mentality exists in our consumer as well as military thinking.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/worl ... alism.html
As Relations With U.S. Sink, China Tones Down ‘Hotheaded’ Nationalism
Beijing is dialing down its belligerence to avoid provocative moves that might give President Trump more opportunities to attack ahead of the November election.
By Javier C. Hernández, Aug. 15, 2020

For weeks, China fanned nationalist sentiment in its escalating war of words with the Trump administration. Now, it is toning down its message and calling for a truce, as President Trump increasingly makes Beijing a target in his bid for re-election in November.Mr. Wang avoided the scathing denunciations that have come to characterize China’s “Wolf Warrior” diplomacy, named after an ultrapatriotic Chinese film franchise. Only three weeks earlier, Mr. Wang had told his counterpart in Russia that the United States had “lost its mind, morals and credibility.”
One after another, top Chinese diplomats have called for “peaceful coexistence” with the United States, forgoing their previous assertions that Beijing’s authoritarian system is superior. Hawkish scholars are now emphasizing prospects for defusing tensions, instead of urging China to challenge American military might. Journalists at state-run news outlets are limiting their direct attacks on President Trump, under instructions to take a more conciliatory approach.
“There’s a reflection that we should not let nationalism or hotheadedness somehow kidnap our foreign policy,” Xu Qinduo, a commentator for China Radio International, a state-run broadcaster, said in an interview. “Tough rhetoric should not replace rational diplomacy.”
In toning down the rhetoric, the ruling Communist Party hopes to reduce the risk that excessive nationalism will hurt Beijing’s global image or cause tensions between the superpowers to accelerate uncontrollably. China’s ties with the United States are at a perilous juncture now that Mr. Trump has made assailing Beijing a focal point of his election campaign, with his administration taking a series of actions against China in rapid succession.
Just in recent weeks, the Trump administration has shut down the Chinese consulate in Houston; imposed sanctions on Communist Party officials; said it would cancel the visas of some students and tech company employees; and proposed restrictions on two popular Chinese social media networks. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has traveled abroad urging countries to band together to fight China’s “tyranny.”
Unwilling to concede or look weak, China has responded in kind to most of the measures, closing a consulate in Chengdu and sanctioning American politicians. But in rejecting Mr. Pompeo’s criticisms, China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, also presented an olive branch, saying the government was ready to discuss all of Washington’s concerns “at any level, in any area and at any time.”
The call for dialogue was repeated by several prominent officials, including Yang Jiechi, China’s top diplomat, and Cui Tiankai, the ambassador to the United States, in recent days. On Wednesday, Le Yucheng, another senior Chinese diplomat, accused American politicians of telling lies to smear China. But he also said the two countries should work to prevent relations from “spiraling out of control” over the next several months.
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https://twitter.com/robert_spalding/sta ... 0821968904

Check the video to understand the chinese very well,
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https://news.yahoo.com/sharp-rise-chine ... 45604.html
Sharp rise in Chinese coercive diplomacy in 2020, says new report
The Telegraph
Nicola Smith, August 31, 2020

The Chinese Communist Party is increasingly resorting to the use of coercive diplomacy, taking advantage of the lack of a coordinated pushback from like-minded governments, according to a new report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
The study analyses 152 cases of the CCP’s use of coercive diplomacy across 28 countries, including the UK, Australia, New Zealand and in East Asia over the past decade, and concludes that governments need to counter its “divide-and-conquer” tactics through a joint strategy via multilateral institutions.
“Our dataset suggests the CCP has begun to use coercive diplomacy far more actively. We found a sharp increase from 2018 onwards,” said Fergus Hanson, Emilia Currey and Tracy Beattie, the ASPI authors, in a statement.
“In the first eight months of 2020 we found 34 cases of coercive diplomacy, which equates to more than half of the number recorded in 2019. Unless states can come up with a better strategy to resist coercive diplomacy, we can expect this trend to continue.”
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P.K.Banerjee's memoirs of his stay in Peking in 1961 thru 1963.

https://www.epw.in/journal/2020/35/docu ... %9363.html
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https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/china-a ... akh-again/
China Attempts to Shift Its Boundary With India in Ladakh – Again
The latest round in the ongoing crisis in eastern Ladakh bodes ill for a diplomatic resolution.
By Abhijnan Rej, August 31, 2020

The India-China military crisis in eastern Ladakh entered a new phase over the weekend when the Indian army pushed back an attempt by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to alter the Line of Actual Control (LAC) between the two countries in a new area on the southern bank of Pangong Lake, in the Chushul/Spangpur gap, according to defense journalist Nitin Gokhale. An Indian government statement issued earlier today notes that on the intervening night of August 29 and 30, the PLA “carried out provocative military movements” there.
It added that “Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity… [and] undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground.” No casualties – or other details – are available at this moment.
Beijing has refuted the Indian statement. Reacting to a question, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian claimed that “Chinese border troops always strictly abide by the LAC. They never cross the line.”
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The early reactions to China’s threat to the LAC in eastern Ladakh were, first, to deny and then to downplay. Indian equivocation – likely, part of a strategy to manage the domestic audience – allowed the PLA to consolidate its new claims, closing the window for prudent Indian military action. New Delhi’s reaction to this latest round of activity in eastern Ladakh points to possibility of a much more proactive Indian military stance there, even if that means admitting – belatedly – that it has a major problem on its hands.
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https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1300905015788417025
Just in the last 100 days China has revived, aggravated or inaugurated quarrels with Australia, Canada, the Czech Republic, India and Vietnam. In Ladakh the Galwan fighting with barbed clubs was a prelude. Two nights ago a fresh fight at Pangong Tso Lake near famous Chushul.
https://twitter.com/GSpier/status/1300909362110701569
seems pointless.

Lee Kuan Yew has written that China's rise is inevitable. They have studied the mistakes of Japan and Germany.

The key lessons are to growing economically, but not to pick any military or political fights.


So why? What's their angle?
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1300911793355853826
That is the point. In 2004 Zheng Bijian 郑必坚 enunciated "Peaceful Rise" & told me: we know how the 1914 Germans threw away their future, we will not. But in 2009 they misread the financial crisis & started territorial quarrels. Worse with Xi Jinping: a martinet & militarist
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Apologies if your eyeballs melt.

This poster perfectly illustrates the "China dream" (title)

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The island with the Chinese flag is the Senkaku, claimed by China and under Japanese control and the aircraft carrier is the Lianoning and at the centre of this nightmare is a big fat Eleven. This dream is supposed to be accomplished by 2025.
The amphibious landing craft is probably for Taiwan


Source
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https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis ... irculation
China razes 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple
In the latest act of religious oppression, China has demolished a 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple in its Shanxi province. India Today's OSINT team delves deep to find out the truth through the latest satellite images.
Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd), New Delhi, September 21, 2020

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) hatred towards religious minorities and their places of worship continues unabated. The ongoing standoff with India and Tibetan attitudes towards the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in occupied Tibet, especially along the border areas, has angered China.
In the latest act of religious oppression, China has demolished a 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple in its Shanxi province.
Such is the absolute control of the CCP over the internet in China that even important events are going unnoticed.
India Today's OSINT team delves deep to find out the truth through latest satellite images.
Fuyun Temple
The Fuyun Temple was located 8.5km north-east of Taiyuan airport on the Wujin mountain top aloof from the cacophony of the city and villages.
The Buddhist temple in Shanxi province had become an eyesore to the majority of Han population in this area. The Fuyun Temple gaining popularity amongst the followers of Buddhism in Chinese as well as Tibetan population was unpalatable to the Chinese Communist Party government in Yuci district of Jinzhong prefecture.
The Taoist temples and other attractions in the nearby Wujinshan National Park such as Hehe temple, Dafotai temple, Taiqing Palace, Jade Emperor Pavilion, Jiufeng Tower and Kong Xiangxi’s Summer House were getting overshadowed because of the growing popularity of Fuyun Temple.
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... ance-china
Czech out this pocket of resistance against China
John Dobson, September 26, 2020

London: The Czech Republic doesn’t figure highly in most people’s consciousness; but then why should it? After all, it’s only a tiny, hilly Central European country with a population less than Delhi. But something really interesting is going on there, which should be of concern to Beijing.
To understand why and what is happening, a little history is necessary. So bear with me.
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In 2017, President Zeman named the Chinese tycoon Ye Jianming as a personal advisor. Ye’s firm, CEFC China Energy, had recently embarked on a spending spree in the country, which included the purchase of the historic football team, Slavia Prague. Fans appreciated the money Ye poured into the club, but knowing that their beloved team was in hawk to the Chinese, the purchase incited more hatred than gratitude. There was little sorrow or grief when Jianming, who sat atop a business empire worth more than $44bn and was known as a “Belt and Road” billionaire, suddenly disappeared in 2018. He is now believed to be sitting in a Chinese jail on corruption charges.
For many Czechs, closer relations with Beijing symbolise the Czech Republic’s drift away from democracy and liberalism at home, values which are in the DNA of older residents, values which were crushed during the Nazi and Soviet years of occupation. The largest street demonstrations since 1989 took place last year, chiefly against what demonstrators saw as Zeman’s autocratic instincts, his illiberal rhetoric and support of China. Just as many Czechs during the Cold War mythologised their First Republic as a democratic and progressive golden age, many today mythologise the post-communist 1990s, symbolised by Havel, for the same reason.
Few Czech politicians personify the country’s problems with corruption and links with China more than Prime Minister Andrej Babis, one of the country’s richest men. Ironically, he led his populist party to victory in the last general election, in 2017, by campaigning on an anti-corruption platform while under investigation by the EU for misusing subsidies for his private businesses, accusations which he denies. Babis, a strong supporter of China, has also been dogged by reports that he worked as an agent for the Czechoslovakian secret police during the Soviet period.
Anti-Beijing sentiment is high among Czechs, who hold the fourth-worst opinion of China (57% against, 27% for) among Europeans, according to a Pew Research Centre survey conducted last year (India recorded 46% against and 23% for). In the eyes of many Czechs, as Chinese investment has increased, so has corruption. The new pro-China direction has sparked a backlash from Czech opposition parties, as well as large sections of Czech society who are demanding a return to Havel’s values-based foreign policy. The mayor of the capital city, Prague, Zdenek Hrib has led the charge. Last year he ended Prague’s “sister-city” relationship with Beijing and agreed a new one with Taipei. Cutting off Beijing and linking Prague with the capital of Taiwan did little to improve Hrib’s relationship with Xi Jingping. Twisting the knife, Hrib even flew the Tibetan flag over Prague’s City Hall last year to mark the anniversary of a failed Tibetan uprising. On cue, during his visit last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo commended Hrib saying that he has “continued President Havel’s good work in supporting Tibet”.
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Up.

Very prescient thread started a decade ago.
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The original thread starts with a post by RayC sahab. Is he still active on BRF?

I miss the many stalwarts who made BRF such an incredible place to learn and delight.
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amar_p wrote:The original thread starts with a post by RayC sahab. Is he still active on BRF?

I miss the many stalwarts who made BRF such an incredible place to learn and delight.
RayC sir is not with us anymore I believe
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He passed away some years back.
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Om Shanti ! Sharddhanjali to Ray sahib.
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He is in heaven watching over us and guiding.
His comments on INSAS were useful.
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Can You Smell What the Chinese Are Cooking?
Pepe ESCOBAR
The outline of what will be the 14th Chinese Five-Year-Plan (2021-2025) will be announced with a communiqué at the end of the plenum this Thursday. Policy details will be streaming in the next few weeks. And everything will be formally approved by the National People’s Congress (NPC) in March 2021.
President Xi has been quite busy, delivering an extensive work report; a draft of the five-year plan; and a full outline of China’s top targets all the way to 2035.
The next step is to deal long-term with the absolutely critical issues of crisis of global trade; less demand for Chinese products; and varying degrees of volatility caused by the unstoppable rise of China.
So everything is, once again, all about the Chip War – which is at the heart of AI, 5G, supercomputing, quantum computing, material science, biotechnology, new energy vehicles and space science.

China’s leadership is very much aware that the real high stakes revolve around the next generation of chip technology.

Enter the concept of China’s system: or how to fight the “U.S.-initiated cold war in high technology”.

“China’s system” has been developed by IT expert Ni Guangnan. It aims to “replace U.S. technologies in core areas including the key IT infrastructure, in which the U.S.-led IOE system, an acronym for an IT network based on major three supplies – IBM, Intel and Oracle – have the monopoly. With self-developed servers, database and storage, the system could be based on chipsets with lower performance with no need for 14-nanometer (nm) or 7-nanometer chip fabrication – prime targets of the U.S.-led crackdown.”
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TWITTER

@Eluttwak :
Mussolini's ruling ambition was to turn Italians into warriors because he recalled defeats that others preferred to forget. Xi Jinping likewise knows that the Japanese would still be in Beijing were it not for the US. He too wants to turn his people into warriors w/o asking them
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/141 ... 68896?s=19
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https://twitter.com/Xi_Fan/status/14191 ... 56800?s=09
A western journalist was caught on the street by Chinese people.
@dwnews @dw_chinese is this your coworker?
Has a video where a bunch of chinese people are confronting a western journalist. At one point someone says "Please take a positive view on us" :((

Don't know what's worse, Indian people fawning over gora media or chinese people begging for pojitive coverage
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I would worry if China stopped seeking safed administration approval.
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^ Fair. Still makes you think though, them being the 2nd largest economy, extremely decent MIC, world-class infra, first-class domestic companies in every field, top position in patents etc etc and even then they bend over themselves for safed approval. What is it about goras that everyone seeks their approval so violently?

Just hope when we get to their level, we would have more self-respect.
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Of course aadmi was autocorrected.

They have some good companies due to domestic protection. And political patronage. And slave labour prices.

There is however the demonstrated ability to show results. Eg the far side of the moon landing and now the Mars rover.

Their infrastructure crumbles as they construct it. Maglev trains, marine engines, jet engines, digital businesses are all imported but some have been reverse engineered. It’s not only democracy and freedom they have not been able to indigenise.

Quantum computing or data transfer seems more hype than real world. What else is Potomkin? Note the Americans are totally silent. It’s not because they are behind.
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I don’t think Indians seek quite the same validation as they do.

It may be that they maintain a living continuity with their culture. Partly through their religion. The CCP was the ultimate arbiter of civilizations goals. They deemed the metric to be the safed aadmi.

Further they never had 100 years of nationalist thinking as during India’s struggle against the British.

This is not to deny the fawning over the safed by anglophones in India. It may be that Indians more rooted in the soil ie those who have no knowledge and no need of English have different attitudes than the urban Indian.


Finally light skin caucasians or medium complexioned caucasians are plentiful in India. I think the Chinese labour under a severe disadvantage over their physiognomy. Which is rather silly. But I suspect that is also a driving force in their need to prove themselves.
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sanjaykumar wrote: Further they never had 100 years of nationalist thinking as during India’s struggle against the British.
I think they had their fair share too. The Boxer rebellion, their civil war(which arguably is still ongoing), the century of humiliation that all chinese love to parrot etc all point towards it. Personally I think our freedom struggle *wasn't* nationalist enough, a lot of our "leaders" were quite content being an English dominion and sending Indians to fight safed battles in pewrope while preaching non-violence in desh but that's for another thread.
This is not to deny the fawning over the safed by anglophones in India. It may be that Indians more rooted in the soil ie those who have no knowledge and no need of English have different attitudes than the urban Indian.
That's seems very accurate. Couple of years ago I used to live with some Chinese girls in a student house and while normally they were pleasant enough, became hardcore nationalists anytime we would talk about politics. Always thought it extremely interesting how college going Indians tend to seek gora validation more than the abdul Indians and how it was precisely opposite for the Chinese.
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There is much Indians can learn from the Chinese.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1392295259095240704
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sanjaykumar wrote: What else is Potomkin?
Potomkin or Potemkin? Both are real words. I had to look up for the meaning. I have heard the "Potemkin" word before, but was too lazy to know more.
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The eponymous term is from the surname which is also spelled Potomkin.


The utility of diction and a language like English and apparently Sanskrit is that one judicious word saves a paragraph of explication.

( Hope that wasn’t too pedantic) :mrgreen:
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sanjaykumar wrote: ( Hope that wasn’t too pedantic) :mrgreen:
Just a tad better than Tufts educated MP from God's own country. :lol:
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Actually his debate at the Oxford student union a few years ago was masterful. A mind in keeping with the good looks.
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That speech is the only saving grace for shampoo boy in my book. Actually I met him a few times in business events, over lunch etc. he is a rather nice and approachable person, not a haughty type, good conversationalist. What's he doing in congress party which treats him so shabbily beats me.
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On page 149 of the State Of Venture Report, you’ll notice something peculiar.


While every major venture market detailed in the report was up big in Q2 2021, China saw its 2nd straight quarterly decline in venture funding.


Yup — while the US, LatAm, Canada, Europe, India, etc. were all climbing, China was falling.



(Note: you can get the full 190-page report for free here https://www.cbinsights.com/research/rep ... rch-public)


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So who benefits from China’s uncertainty?


While still only ~¼ of China’s size in terms of venture, the one beneficiary of China’s uncertainty may be India, which put up record venture numbers in Q2 2021.



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Mencius or Meng Xi was second most important Chinese scholar after Confucius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius

Principal thoughts
Human nature

While Confucius himself did not explicitly focus on the subject of human nature, Mencius asserted the innate goodness of the individual, believing that it was society's influence – its lack of a positive cultivating influence – that caused bad moral character. "He who exerts his mind to the utmost knows his nature"[26] and "the way of learning is none other than finding the lost mind."[27]

The four beginnings (or sprouts)

To show innate goodness, Mencius used the example of a child falling down a well. Witnesses of this event immediately feel

alarm and distress, not to gain friendship with the child's parents, nor to seek the praise of their neighbors and friends, nor because they dislike the reputation [of lack of humanity if they did not rescue the child]...

The feeling of commiseration definitely is the beginning of humanity; the feeling of shame and dislike is the beginning of righteousness; the feeling of deference and compliance is the beginning of propriety; and the feeling of right or wrong is the beginning of wisdom.

Men have these Four Beginnings just as they have their four limbs. Having these Four Beginnings, but saying that they cannot develop them is to destroy themselves.[28]

Human nature has an innate tendency towards goodness, but moral rightness cannot be instructed down to the last detail. This is why merely external controls always fail in improving society. True improvement results from educational cultivation in favorable environments. Likewise, bad environments tend to corrupt the human will. This, however, is not proof of innate evil because a clear thinking person would avoid causing harm to others. This position of Mencius puts him between Confucians such as Xunzi who thought people were innately bad, and Taoists who believed humans did not need cultivation, they just needed to accept their innate, natural, and effortless goodness. The four beginnings/sprouts could grow and develop, or they could fail. In this way Mencius synthesized integral parts of Taoism into Confucianism. Individual effort was needed to cultivate oneself, but one's natural tendencies were good to begin with. The object of education is the cultivation of benevolence, otherwise known as Ren.

Education

According to Mencius, education must awaken the innate abilities of the human mind. He denounced memorization and advocated active interrogation of the text, saying, "One who believes all of a book would be better off without books" (盡信書,則不如無書, from 孟子.盡心下). One should check for internal consistency by comparing sections and debate the probability of factual accounts by comparing them with experience.[citation needed]

{The Latin root educato from which education comes is 'to bring out". My high school teacher Mr. Hashmatullah always educated us on this aspect.}

Destiny
Mencius also believed in the power of Destiny in shaping the roles of human beings in society. What is destined cannot be contrived by the human intellect or foreseen. Destiny is shown when a path arises that is both unforeseen and constructive. Destiny should not be confused with Fate. Mencius denied that Heaven would protect a person regardless of his actions, saying, "One who understands Destiny will not stand beneath a tottering wall". The proper path is one which is natural and unforced. This path must also be maintained because, "Unused pathways are covered with weeds." One who follows Destiny will live a long and successful life. One who rebels against Destiny will die before his time.

Views on politics and economics

Mencius emphasized the significance of the common citizens in the state. While Confucianism generally regards rulers highly, he argued that it is acceptable for the subjects to overthrow or even kill a ruler who ignores the people's needs and rules harshly. This is because a ruler who does not rule justly is no longer a true ruler. Speaking of the overthrow of the wicked King Zhou of Shang, Mencius said, "I have merely heard of killing a villain Zhou, but I have not heard of murdering [him as] the ruler."[29]

]{Mandate of Heaven formulation}

This saying should not be taken as an instigation to violence against authorities but as an application of Confucian philosophy to society. Confucianism requires a clarification of what may be reasonably expected in any given relationship. All relationships should be beneficial, but each has its own principle or inner logic. A Ruler must justify his position by acting benevolently before he can expect reciprocation from the people. In this view, a King is like a steward. Although Confucius admired Kings of great accomplishment, Mencius is clarifying the proper hierarchy of human society. Although a King has presumably higher status than a commoner, he is actually subordinate to the masses of people and the resources of society. Otherwise, there would be an implied disregard of the potential of human society heading into the future. One is significant only for what one gives, not for what one takes.

{Kautilya says King is Sheep. Prajaa is the shepherd. While alive - sheep dances, gives milk, gives wool to the shepherd. After death, sheep gives meat, hide and horns. Thus in both life and death, sheep serves the shepherd. King should be thus.}

Mencius distinguished between superior men who recognize and follow the virtues of righteousness and benevolence and inferior men who do not. He suggested that superior men considered only righteousness, not benefits. That assumes "permanent property" to uphold common morality.[30] To secure benefits for the disadvantaged and the aged, he advocated free trade, low tax rates, and a more equal sharing of the tax burden.[31]
So how relevant is Mencius now?
Mencius Institute

The first Mencius Institute was established in Xuzhou, China in 2008 under a collaboration between Jiangsu Normal University, China Zoucheng Heritage Tourism Bureau, and Xuzhou Mengshi Clan Friendship Network.[36]

First Mencius Institute outside of China is located at Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR) Kampar Campus.[36]
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Started reading Rush Doshi's Long Game on China and a Grand Strategy to negate it.

I was reminded of my BRM article in 2000 is still relevant wrt India.

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China cracks down on tech companies. Will India benefit?

It’s the Great Stall of China. They’re beating up their tech companies and causing the investing world to wonder why they’d drop an axe on their own feet. What happened:

China just cracked down heavily on its homegrown technology companies. It started with the Ant Financial IPO in November 2020; one of China’s biggest tech companies supposed to go public in Shanghai and Hong Kong, fetching $37 billion. The IPO was canceled abruptly by regulators.

And that, it seems, was because Jack Ma, the founder of the giant Alibaba and Ant, had criticized regulators in a speech, saying they focussed too much on risk. The point wasn’t about too much risk, of course. The point was that in China, you don’t criticize anyone in power.

After the Ant IPO, Jack Ma disappeared for three months and returned what seems to be a chastised man. However, the Chinese authorities kept the pressure on. There was a record fine of 18 billion yuan (Rs. 20,000 cr.) on Alibaba, the Jack-Ma-Founded e-commerce giant which has an ADR listed in the US. Why? Antitrust, said the authorities; Alibaba apparently punished certain merchants that chose to sell on other platforms.

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https://www.capitalmind.in/2021/07/chin ... a-benefit/
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This is mainly to screw Western investors. The Chinese stocks went up. They dumped them and then screwing their own companies. Now American investors are left holding the bag.
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Who Was the Biggest Mass Murderer in History?

HINT: It's not the Fuhrer


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Is this too good to be true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFly9M8K80
The Fall of China | Peter Zeihan (with Captions), Jul 14, 2021
The comments on this channel are interesting too.
You Tube is full of stuff from Peter Zeihan, but this is the first that I have watched.
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... upply-ppes

The virus cover-up: How China stockpiled the world’s supply of PPEs
this is an extract from the book, ‘Wilful Blindness: How a Network of Narcos, Tycoons and CCP Agents Infiltrated the West’ by Canadian journalist Sam Cooper. The extract comes from the chapter ‘Strike Back Hard’.
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I also explained the United Front’s methods and ideology. This was information that CSIS had been trying to raise with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government and previous federal governments. But Canada’s intelligence on China’s subtle attack was ignored by elected officials. And for the first time in Canada, I documented the underground ties between Vancouver’s United Front leaders and the E-Pirate money-laundering network. I believe this is what truly enraged Beijing.

The other thing that must have stung: my analysis showed the Chinese Communist Party had covered up pandemic risk while buying back PPE supplies Chinese factories had previously sold to the world. It was like the ultimate case of insider trading. Conservative party leader Erin O’Toole underlined this point in my Global News story.

“The Communist Party of China willfully withheld information on an outbreak for at least weeks, if not months,” O’Toole said. “It not only gave the world less time to respond, it downplayed the potential severity of the threat. Countries did not make decisions with respect to flight bans and [protecting] PPE stores.”

And Jorge Guajardo, Mexico’s former ambassador to Beijing, told me Beijing acted surreptitiously and left “the world naked with no supply of PPE.”

Eventually, Beijing profited by selling stockpiled PPE back to the world at massively inflated prices and with geopolitical strings attached, Guajardo said.

My story used China’s own customs data to summarize the scale of the operation. In just six weeks, starting January 24, Beijing imported 2.5 billion pieces of PPE, including over 2 billion safety masks. And I used United Front Work Department reports and PPE warehousing pictures from inside China, plus WeChat texts and reports in Canadian cities, to show that over 100 tonnes of PPE were gathered in Canada and shipped to China.

I think it’s safe to say Beijing’s United Front had never been mobilized with such intensity in a condensed time frame. The result was a flood of concrete evidence. It seemed United Front leaders outside of China wanted to prove they had answered Xi Jinping’s call. Part of this was nationalistic propaganda. But it also looked like self-interest. Most United Front “overseas” leaders are businessmen who trade on their guanxi with Beijing to earn fortunes.

(I eventually found that Vancouver casino tycoons airlifted PPE around the world. Mailin Chen, the Guangdong high roller identified in B.C. Lottery Corp. money-laundering records, had flown his private jet to Papua New Guinea to deliver PPE in June 2020. Chen has been a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress—a United Front organ. He’s also connected to a high-level River Rock Casino employee de-registered after a money-laundering investigation in late 2017).

Amidst all the evidence sources that documented trailer-loads of PPE delivered to international airports, one report stood out with smoking-gun, end-to-end proof of United Front transactions. The February 2 report from Xinhua, China’s state news agency, focused on “overseas Chinese” groups from Fujian, the United Front espionage hotbed where Lai Changxing and Xi Jinping launched their respective careers. “The menacing epidemic came suddenly. But majestic strength comes from front-line medical staff, party members and cadres, from the people, and from Fujian Chinese and overseas Chinese,” says an English-language translation of the Xinhua story. “Fujians from dozens of countries on five continents joined this invisible battle … they travelled day and night and raced against time to send back batches of scarce supplies for the motherland.”

The report featured detailed PPE case studies from Japan, United States and Canada. But the Toronto Fuqing Chamber of Commerce’s case study was an outlier, with its direct reference to the United Front Work Department’s command and control of operations in Canada. It was also meaningful to me that Xinhua focused on the Toronto Fujian group because I knew this network was important to CSIS.

In 2019 its leaders had attended an anti-Hong Kong democracy rally in Markham, Ont. Photos of the pro-Beijing rally showed the elite of Toronto’s United Front Work Department, men who are well-connected to Beijing, according to evidence compiled by Michel Juneau Katsuya. The Xinhua story said a Toronto Fuqing chamber leader travelled to China in January, and when he recognized the severity of the epidemic in Wuhan, he immediately flew back to Toronto.

According to Xinhua, he raced from the airport in a snowstorm and issued urgent orders sending 200 Fuqing chamber members racing around Ontario buying PPE. And before February 2, many tons of PPE were transferred by Chinese state airlines to receivers that “worked with the United Front Work Department of Fujian, and customs in Fujian” to warehouse “the medical supplies from Canada.”
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