Let us Understand the Chinese - II

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
sum
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10086
Joined: 08 May 2007 17:04
Location: (IT-vity && DRDO) nagar

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby sum » 19 Aug 2020 10:02

m_saini wrote:^ And I wouldn't dismiss their efforts anyway. Time and again the chinese have shown themselves capable of innovating by hook or by crook. I still remember how surprised everyone, including CIA, were when they showed off their j20s.

The speed by which they churn out ships, their meteoric rise, their industrial base etc everything about them screams extraordinary. I wouldn't count their semi-conductor push dead just yet. They're trying, which is much more than anything that can be said for us.



From a Korean outlet ( translated):
Starting production of 45 nano semiconductors
The 45-nanometer semiconductor that Huawei is going to produce on its own is technically far below the global market standard. Currently, Samsung Electronics and Taiwan's TSMC are producing 5-nanometer semiconductors.

However, Huawei seems to be making its own production as a long-term plan for self-sufficiency of semiconductors. "In response to U.S. sanctions, Huawei is trying to establish a whole self-sufficiency system of semiconductor technology by establishing a process system for semiconductor design automation (EDA), material manufacturing, processing and semiconductor manufacturing.

Recently, Huawei, CEO of consumer affairs, said, "We need to take full control of semiconductors." It shows the intention of semiconductor independence.


Huawei Will Be Self-sufficient for Semiconductor
Producing 45 nanometer semiconductors is not a big deal. However, in the IT industry, Huawei's production of its own chip is an important variable. In the meantime, Huawei entrusted the mobile AP designed by its subsidiary, HiSilicon, to TSMC in Taiwan, the world's No. 1 foundry company. Through this, it has secured a high-performance giraffe chip.

However, as the US restricts the supply of semiconductors manufactured by US companies using semiconductor equipment and software to Huawei, Huawei will no longer receive chips from TSMC in Taiwan. Semiconductor equipment of US companies such as Applied Materials is essential for semiconductor manufacturing. Huawei decided to expand the Dimen City AP designed by Taiwanese media tech. In addition, Huawei will begin production on its own.

The semiconductor industry is paying attention to Huawei. HySilicon, a subsidiary of Huawei, has already been tested for its semiconductor design ability and ranked 10th in sales in the first half of this year. If Huawei makes a technical alliance with Chinese foundry SMIC based on high silicon technology, it will be possible to produce semiconductors in the mid 10 nano range.

However, it is expected that the world's top semiconductor production will be far away. It is not easy for Chinese semiconductor to produce less than 10 nano semiconductor at a time when the supply of such equipment is blocked due to US sanctions.



Outstanding achievement if they are able to make these 45nm chips by themselves. Is not the greatest and best but is just 1 step behind the best and is good enough for most requirements ( bulk of usage is still in 65nm/45nm/28nm except smartphone processors or advanced server processors)

Just their statement of intent means they are putting all their efforts into it and given the semiconductor talent they have, i think they will achieve what they started out.
I really like their approach of starting with the older 45nm first and then taking it from there by getting ready for the tougher challenges by the time they make the older one work.

I only hope we will emulate them in such nationwide support of national level goals and keep working on what is available at hand instead of seeing brochures of the best and getting disheartened that we couldn't reach it and so lets scrap everything and buy outright

csaurabh
BRFite
Posts: 831
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 15:07

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby csaurabh » 19 Aug 2020 10:50

My laptop has a 45nm chip. It works fine for pretty much everything.

Really don't understand this obsession with 'we must have the best or nothing at all' nonsense.

m_saini
BRFite
Posts: 236
Joined: 23 May 2020 20:25

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby m_saini » 19 Aug 2020 11:03

sum wrote: I only hope we will emulate them in such nationwide support of national level goals and keep working on what is available at hand instead of seeing brochures of the best and getting disheartened that we couldn't reach it and so lets scrap everything and buy outright


+1008.

It's disheartening to see some people complain about "re-inventing the wheel" here whenever India tries to do something. And the sad part is this mentality exists in our consumer as well as military thinking.

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2606
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby g.sarkar » 24 Aug 2020 02:23

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/worl ... alism.html
As Relations With U.S. Sink, China Tones Down ‘Hotheaded’ Nationalism
Beijing is dialing down its belligerence to avoid provocative moves that might give President Trump more opportunities to attack ahead of the November election.
By Javier C. Hernández, Aug. 15, 2020

For weeks, China fanned nationalist sentiment in its escalating war of words with the Trump administration. Now, it is toning down its message and calling for a truce, as President Trump increasingly makes Beijing a target in his bid for re-election in November.Mr. Wang avoided the scathing denunciations that have come to characterize China’s “Wolf Warrior” diplomacy, named after an ultrapatriotic Chinese film franchise. Only three weeks earlier, Mr. Wang had told his counterpart in Russia that the United States had “lost its mind, morals and credibility.”
One after another, top Chinese diplomats have called for “peaceful coexistence” with the United States, forgoing their previous assertions that Beijing’s authoritarian system is superior. Hawkish scholars are now emphasizing prospects for defusing tensions, instead of urging China to challenge American military might. Journalists at state-run news outlets are limiting their direct attacks on President Trump, under instructions to take a more conciliatory approach.
“There’s a reflection that we should not let nationalism or hotheadedness somehow kidnap our foreign policy,” Xu Qinduo, a commentator for China Radio International, a state-run broadcaster, said in an interview. “Tough rhetoric should not replace rational diplomacy.”
In toning down the rhetoric, the ruling Communist Party hopes to reduce the risk that excessive nationalism will hurt Beijing’s global image or cause tensions between the superpowers to accelerate uncontrollably. China’s ties with the United States are at a perilous juncture now that Mr. Trump has made assailing Beijing a focal point of his election campaign, with his administration taking a series of actions against China in rapid succession.
Just in recent weeks, the Trump administration has shut down the Chinese consulate in Houston; imposed sanctions on Communist Party officials; said it would cancel the visas of some students and tech company employees; and proposed restrictions on two popular Chinese social media networks. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has traveled abroad urging countries to band together to fight China’s “tyranny.”
Unwilling to concede or look weak, China has responded in kind to most of the measures, closing a consulate in Chengdu and sanctioning American politicians. But in rejecting Mr. Pompeo’s criticisms, China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, also presented an olive branch, saying the government was ready to discuss all of Washington’s concerns “at any level, in any area and at any time.”
The call for dialogue was repeated by several prominent officials, including Yang Jiechi, China’s top diplomat, and Cui Tiankai, the ambassador to the United States, in recent days. On Wednesday, Le Yucheng, another senior Chinese diplomat, accused American politicians of telling lies to smear China. But he also said the two countries should work to prevent relations from “spiraling out of control” over the next several months.
.....
Gautam

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4769
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby vijayk » 27 Aug 2020 07:20

https://twitter.com/robert_spalding/sta ... 0821968904

Check the video to understand the chinese very well,

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2606
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby g.sarkar » 01 Sep 2020 08:59

https://news.yahoo.com/sharp-rise-chine ... 45604.html
Sharp rise in Chinese coercive diplomacy in 2020, says new report
The Telegraph
Nicola Smith, August 31, 2020

The Chinese Communist Party is increasingly resorting to the use of coercive diplomacy, taking advantage of the lack of a coordinated pushback from like-minded governments, according to a new report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
The study analyses 152 cases of the CCP’s use of coercive diplomacy across 28 countries, including the UK, Australia, New Zealand and in East Asia over the past decade, and concludes that governments need to counter its “divide-and-conquer” tactics through a joint strategy via multilateral institutions.
“Our dataset suggests the CCP has begun to use coercive diplomacy far more actively. We found a sharp increase from 2018 onwards,” said Fergus Hanson, Emilia Currey and Tracy Beattie, the ASPI authors, in a statement.
“In the first eight months of 2020 we found 34 cases of coercive diplomacy, which equates to more than half of the number recorded in 2019. Unless states can come up with a better strategy to resist coercive diplomacy, we can expect this trend to continue.”
......
Gautam

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 54707
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby ramana » 02 Sep 2020 00:26

P.K.Banerjee's memoirs of his stay in Peking in 1961 thru 1963.

https://www.epw.in/journal/2020/35/docu ... %9363.html

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2606
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby g.sarkar » 02 Sep 2020 08:20

https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/china-a ... akh-again/
China Attempts to Shift Its Boundary With India in Ladakh – Again
The latest round in the ongoing crisis in eastern Ladakh bodes ill for a diplomatic resolution.
By Abhijnan Rej, August 31, 2020

The India-China military crisis in eastern Ladakh entered a new phase over the weekend when the Indian army pushed back an attempt by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to alter the Line of Actual Control (LAC) between the two countries in a new area on the southern bank of Pangong Lake, in the Chushul/Spangpur gap, according to defense journalist Nitin Gokhale. An Indian government statement issued earlier today notes that on the intervening night of August 29 and 30, the PLA “carried out provocative military movements” there.
It added that “Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity… [and] undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground.” No casualties – or other details – are available at this moment.
Beijing has refuted the Indian statement. Reacting to a question, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian claimed that “Chinese border troops always strictly abide by the LAC. They never cross the line.”
.....
The early reactions to China’s threat to the LAC in eastern Ladakh were, first, to deny and then to downplay. Indian equivocation – likely, part of a strategy to manage the domestic audience – allowed the PLA to consolidate its new claims, closing the window for prudent Indian military action. New Delhi’s reaction to this latest round of activity in eastern Ladakh points to possibility of a much more proactive Indian military stance there, even if that means admitting – belatedly – that it has a major problem on its hands.
Gautam

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14553
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby pankajs » 02 Sep 2020 17:26

https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1300905015788417025
Just in the last 100 days China has revived, aggravated or inaugurated quarrels with Australia, Canada, the Czech Republic, India and Vietnam. In Ladakh the Galwan fighting with barbed clubs was a prelude. Two nights ago a fresh fight at Pangong Tso Lake near famous Chushul.

https://twitter.com/GSpier/status/1300909362110701569
seems pointless.

Lee Kuan Yew has written that China's rise is inevitable. They have studied the mistakes of Japan and Germany.

The key lessons are to growing economically, but not to pick any military or political fights.


So why? What's their angle?

https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1300911793355853826
That is the point. In 2004 Zheng Bijian 郑必坚 enunciated "Peaceful Rise" & told me: we know how the 1914 Germans threw away their future, we will not. But in 2009 they misread the financial crisis & started territorial quarrels. Worse with Xi Jinping: a martinet & militarist

RaviB
BRFite
Posts: 197
Joined: 09 Jun 2020 14:32

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby RaviB » 14 Sep 2020 18:28

Apologies if your eyeballs melt.

This poster perfectly illustrates the "China dream" (title)

Image

The island with the Chinese flag is the Senkaku, claimed by China and under Japanese control and the aircraft carrier is the Lianoning and at the centre of this nightmare is a big fat Eleven. This dream is supposed to be accomplished by 2025.
The amphibious landing craft is probably for Taiwan


Source

g.sarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2606
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby g.sarkar » 22 Sep 2020 09:58

https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis ... irculation
China razes 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple
In the latest act of religious oppression, China has demolished a 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple in its Shanxi province. India Today's OSINT team delves deep to find out the truth through the latest satellite images.
Col Vinayak Bhat (Retd), New Delhi, September 21, 2020

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) hatred towards religious minorities and their places of worship continues unabated. The ongoing standoff with India and Tibetan attitudes towards the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in occupied Tibet, especially along the border areas, has angered China.
In the latest act of religious oppression, China has demolished a 1,000-year-old Buddhist temple in its Shanxi province.
Such is the absolute control of the CCP over the internet in China that even important events are going unnoticed.
India Today's OSINT team delves deep to find out the truth through latest satellite images.
Fuyun Temple
The Fuyun Temple was located 8.5km north-east of Taiyuan airport on the Wujin mountain top aloof from the cacophony of the city and villages.
The Buddhist temple in Shanxi province had become an eyesore to the majority of Han population in this area. The Fuyun Temple gaining popularity amongst the followers of Buddhism in Chinese as well as Tibetan population was unpalatable to the Chinese Communist Party government in Yuci district of Jinzhong prefecture.
The Taoist temples and other attractions in the nearby Wujinshan National Park such as Hehe temple, Dafotai temple, Taiqing Palace, Jade Emperor Pavilion, Jiufeng Tower and Kong Xiangxi’s Summer House were getting overshadowed because of the growing popularity of Fuyun Temple.
......
Gautam


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ambar, suryag and 180 guests