Let us Understand the Chinese - II

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby member_19686 » 28 Dec 2015 00:39

China has made obedience to the State a game
China has created a social tool which gives people a score for how good a citizen they are
Samuel Osborne Tuesday 22 December 2015

With a concept straight out of a cyberpunk dystopia, China has gamified obedience to the State.

China has created a social tool named Sesame Credit which gives people a score for how good a citizen they are.

The system measures how obediently citizens follow the party line, pulling data from social networks and online purchase histories.

As Extra Credits explains on YouTube: "If you post pictures of Tiananmen Square or share a link about the recent stock market collapse, your Sesame Credit goes down.

"Share a link from the state-sponsored news agency about how good the economy is doing and your score goes up."

Similarly, Sesame Credit can analyse data from online purchases.

"If you're making purchases the state deems valuable, like work shoes or local agricultural products, your score goes up.

"If you import anime from Japan though, down the score goes."

Most insidious of all, the app will have real world consequences. According to Extra Credits, high scores will grant users benefits: "Like making it easier to get the paperwork you need to travel or making it easier to get a loan."

Although the ratings are currently optional, the social tool will become mandatory by 2020.

There have even been rumours about implementing penalties for low scores: "Like slower internet speeds, or restricting jobs a low scoring person is allowed to hold."

The system could also become a powerful tool for social conditioning, as users could lose points for having friends with low obedience scores.

There has already been some evidence of Chinese citizens competing with one another to get high scores, posting their Sesame Credit scores on Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter, Quartz reports.

Earlier this year, the BBC reported the Chinese governmennt was building a "social credit" system to rate each citizen's trustworthiness.

A planning document from China's State Council explained the credit will "forge a public opinion environment that trust-keeping is glorious" and warned the "new system will reward those who report acts of breach of trust".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 83841.html

Propaganda Games: Sesame Credit - The True Danger of Gamification - Extra Credits


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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby JE Menon » 28 Dec 2015 00:53

^^hacker's dream

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby member_19686 » 03 Jan 2016 08:39

An old Chinese propaganda pamphlet produced in 1958 (start of Great Leap Forward) using Mao's famous boast as the title

Just a few years earlier in 1953 Sita Ram Goel wrote exposing commie propaganda:


https://indianhistorybooks2.wordpress.c ... -peasants/

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby shiv » 08 Sep 2016 08:31

I wonder if the Chinese suffer from a form of lack of self esteem just like indians
British schoolgirl entrepreneur, 16, earns £50,000 advising Chinese parents on English baby names - after hearing about children called Gandalf
A 16-year-old British schoolgirl has earned £48,000 giving Chinese babies English names, after hearing about children called Gandalf and Cinderella.

Beau Jessup from Edge, Gloucestershire, has so far suggested names for 221,000 Chinese babies in six months and her unusual business is booming.

She set up SpecialName.cn after spending time in China where she was asked repeatedly to suggest an English name by friends expecting their first child.

All Chinese babies are given a traditional Chinese name at birth, which is written in Chinese characters and used for all government documents.

But there has been a growing demand in the last 20 years to adopt an additional English name that can be read, pronounced and printed in English.

This would be for use on email and for study and business in the West, but these names were chosen at school by an English teacher or even by pupils.

Entrepreneur: Beau set up SpecialName.cn after spending time in China where she was asked repeatedly to suggest an English name by friends expecting their first child

Cheltenham Ladies College pupil Beau said: ‘When I went to China I kept being asked to name babies for my parents' friends.

‘They explained an English name is vital because you can't use a Chinese name on email or a university application to the UK. Your English name stays with you for life.

‘But I also heard lots of examples where people had chosen culturally inappropriate English names they'd heard from films or read online.

‘It made me realise there was an opportunity to help Chinese people get it right from the start.’

To solve the problem Beau developed Specialname to suggest culturally appropriate English names to prospective parents based on their ideals and aspirations for their child.

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby Atmavik » 08 Sep 2016 09:19

^^ Its a common practice among Chinese immigrants in the west to have a Christian name(official) and a Chinese name. looks like it is spreading to the mainland as well.

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby Arjun » 09 Sep 2016 12:37

X-post from Western Universalism thread:

Some enlightening stats relating to the Air China screwup...

"London is generally a safe place to travel, however precautions are needed when entering areas mainly populated by Indians,Pakistanis and black people."

What Air China meant to say was precautions are needed when entering "deprived neighborhoods" which are generally associated with high rate of crime and poverty. And what do the latest stats say as to which UK communities are more likely to live in such "deprived neighborhoods" ? : How likely are ethnic minorities to live in deprived neighbourhoods?

Surprise, surprise - Chinese figure above the Indians in living in these hellholes !

So it would be more correct to say "precautions are needed when entering areas mainly populated by Chinese, Pakistanis and blacks"...of course it would still not make the statement politically correct, which is a whole different story.

The article was probably written up by some ignorant & jobless British Chinese....and based on official stats, Chinese in the UK do rank higher in joblessness than the Indians there :)

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby wig » 21 Mar 2017 20:52

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt ... ucky_hotel

the story of Gu and Bo Xilai, the murder of Heywood and how it all helped Xi Jinping the current leader.
a good read

Murder in the Lucky Holiday Hotel By Carrie Gracie .Five years ago, China's most charismatic politician as toppled from power. His disgrace allowed his great rival to dominate the political stage in a way unseen in China since the days of Chairman Mao. All this was made possible by a murder.

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby Rony » 07 Oct 2019 05:49

Hong Kong Versus Shenzhen: Two Competing Visions of China's Future
One system favors economic growth at all costs, while the other yearns for freedom.

Hong Kong’s waning allure for ambitious mainland Chinese like Gu is symbolic of the shifting balance of power and opportunities between the neighboring cities. Where Hong Kong is a former colony whose historic role as a trading hub and gateway to China is fading, Shenzhen is young, hopeful and looks optimistically toward a future where it can help drive China’s push to dominate the next century through an innovative economy that sidesteps political freedoms.

For all the differences in outlook, the cities’ proximity and growth prospects means they are becoming intertwined regardless, as are the systems that govern them: The Communist Party is steadily eroding Hong Kong’s civil liberties, while also stepping up measures to prevent any subversive ideas from taking root in the mainland. It’s a source of tension that gets to the root of Hong Kong’s turmoil as the youth try desperately to hang onto freedoms promised to them when Britain handed the territory back to China more than 20 years ago.

Beijing clearly wishes Hong Kong would accept its place within China’s ambitious “Greater Bay Area” plan to more closely bind it to the mainland. But that’s anathema to many in what was once a shining outpost of wealth and free speech.

The people of Shenzhen have never known such rights, yet have helped their city to flourish as innovative and dynamic while firmly under the thumb of the Communist Party. Helped by local companies like telecoms giant Huawei Technologies Co. and social messaging firm Tencent Holdings Ltd., Shenzhen’s economy grew 7.5% last year, matching or even edging past Hong Kong’s gross domestic product for the first time, depending on the measures used.

In many ways, the two cities represent competing visions of China’s destiny. Shenzhen has the centralized control, relentless efficiency and advanced manufacturing that lie at the root of President Xi Jinping’s concept of China’s future greatness. Hong Kong’s freedoms and advanced service sector, coupled with a laissez-faire capitalism⁠—and unpredictable politics⁠—hint at the type of liberalization that many western governments have long hoped Beijing would implement. It’s a contest that might appear to be going Shenzhen’s way, but which remains far from settled.

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Re: Let us Understand the Chinese - II

Postby Philip » 12 Oct 2019 04:36

Yes, we understand them very well.Arrogant SOBs who think they are the cat's whiskers and that all other human races are inferior.Asia's equivalent of Nazi racism.On one of the channels this morning, an eminent military expert quoted a Chinese saying that " there is no room on the mountain for two tigers".China wants India " to bend the knee" and acknowledge our fealty and subservience to it for evermore. It invaded and subjugated Tibet, the Uighurs are being ethnically cleansed and Han Chins replacing them on the ground as they're herded off into vast concentration camps that can hold millions.It has started attempts to appropriate Buddhism ( born in India!) to hoodwink Asian Buddhist nations, will choose its replacement for the Dalai Lama after he departs and is day-by-day actually acquiring control over Pakistan openly and brazenly.The perfidious bankrupt Pakis only underscore this reality by desperately rushing to Beijing whenever India scores points against it diplomatically and militarily.

Add to this the $60B trade deficit which demands, as the RSS and Swadeshi Jagran Manch have been saying, countermeasures by India.Unfortunately, the GOI is still being extra soft on China.A fitting counter would be to stop with immediate effect imports of all Chinese goods
until the accumulated trade deficit with China over the last 10 years is reduced to zero by China importing a rough equivalent of approx. $ 500 billion of Indian goods and manufactured products in one year! Such a move would kickstart the Indian economy like never before and see a massive increase in the Indian manufacturing sector at all levels!

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