Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kvjayan » 11 Jan 2013 23:28

Looks like the Chindu is getting a sadistic kick out of playing fifth column in the guise of a "neutral" fourth estate actor.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 12 Jan 2013 00:15

Lalmohan wrote:capturing a few hundred men, then executing them in cold blood will be against the culture of the IA
blowing a few hundred enemy soldiers to smithereens in combat however is acceptable
napalm if possible


Get them on the sea . Their sailors are Kosher, sink thye ship and capture them alive to be punished for the crime of their comrades.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby darshhan » 12 Jan 2013 01:05

Beheading of Pakis/Islamists is perfectly ok by me for both dead and non dead personnel. Although I personally like scalping more.

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But my all time favourite tool of affection for Pakis/islamists would be a power drill.

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As far as Geneva conventions/Humane treatment of POWs/Human rights regime wrt enemies/etc are concerned, these were all drafted by white guys who wanted to control our behaviour when they couldn't control us through colonial practice anymore. They played us and we got played.

It is another thing that white guys themselves had limited utility for such benevolent and merciful views which is demonstrated by the following image where an American girl is admiring a Japanese skull sent by her Navy boyfriend in WW2. It was published in Life magazine in 1944.

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Look how coy she is.

When it comes to fighting islamists always follow the following adage.Ruthless, Merciless, Remorseless

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby darshhan » 12 Jan 2013 01:15

Here is an image of another Dharmic warrior who battled enemies of Dharma in another era. Bhagwan Parshuram

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Look at the Pharsa he is carrying. I seriously doubt he was using it for cutting vegetables.

To me the intent and utility of the weapon is amply clear.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby darshhan » 12 Jan 2013 01:18

As long as a Dharmic warrior doesn't lose objectivity and doesn't lose sight of the original goal, Decapitation/Hacking of limbs/Scalping/Extreme torture etc of the enemy is perfectly ok. Especially if he is a Paki.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Altair » 12 Jan 2013 01:20

darshhan wrote:Here is an image of another Dharmic warrior who battled enemies of Dharma in another era. Bhagwan Parshuram

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Look at the Pharsa he is carrying. I seriously doubt he was using it for cutting vegetables.

To me the intent and utility of the weapon is amply clear.


Exactly why we should not be too jumpy about beheadings. I have no idea why some people are tad too sensitive about the entire beheadings subject. Pakis scored first, so what! we will finish the game!! I am certain pakis just opened a new can of worms and we will have more and more beheadings in days to come across LOC on both sides.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 12 Jan 2013 01:58

Banda even dug up the old dudes to pull them out of Hoor Enjoying Private Dwelling up in Blueland owned by Poobah . No Tool No Hoor For Fool. Cremation Nahi To Fumigation he Theek Hai. I would not mind firing 100000 WP/HE artillery shells withiin 24 hrs on Skardu, Isloo and Lahore.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 12 Jan 2013 02:12

For any plan to take shape, we need a gov willing to act, if not drastic jingoistic methods, at least some way where in TSPian pay a heavy price at their foolishness, already they are stopping trade along LoC, who do they think they are hurting? true some Indian business men might loose big, but is it really going to effect Indian economy? no. We need a gov which pulls it's sleeves, stops all this time waste trade, arse kissing etc and asks TSP to fu(k itself. And cross border firing etc should mean a constant week long obliteration campaign of it's troops along the border, something very fitting...for all that you need a gov that takes national interests seriously...leaders at least need to have nation at their heart, a new breed, a new breed of leaders who think only about people and nation, else all these ideas we talk about are point less mental mast****.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby putnanja » 12 Jan 2013 05:06



From the article above ...

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The articles by two Delhi-based journalists known for their access to intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that it was the Indian Army that had precipitated the Pakistani attack because of its disregard for rules that govern the LoC ceasefire.

What has particularly shocked the men in olive is the naming of a junior commander in Uri. Brig GS Rawat has been painted as a "latter day out-of-control Dirty Harry". One of the stories says he is an officer known to be aggressive. It has reference to his past record. "What does that mean? That brigade commander on the LoC should be docile? To name a brigade commander is bizarre; it makes it seem as if he is fighting his private war," said Major AS Tomar, who just finished tenure on the LoC.

Many like Maj Tomar see a subtle government hand in this, designed almost to absolve the government in Delhi or Srinagar of any responsibility for the latest setback to their Pakistan policy. This narrative nudges towards the Uri incident as a latter day mini Kargil that justifiably provoked a Pakistani retaliation. :evil:

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The GoI thinks it is too clever and that people won't realize that. What they are doing is hitting the morale of the people who are busting their ass trying to save the country!

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby krisna » 12 Jan 2013 07:03

^^^^
The weakness of GOI is well internalised by tspa.
1) naturally they are brainwashed fundoos,
2) with the support of weakneed GOI creates immense confidence in these jihadis.

No wonder IA seethes with rage but unable to do anything.

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Enough of MMS.
It is often said that MMS cannot sip his cup of chai without his madamji's permission.
What is the role of madamji in this and her view of overall piss process with terroristan.
what about her munna- who hardly opens his mouth.
why are the key people silent.

Do they approve of killing of Indian soldiers by terrorists.



Leading from behind
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s silence over Pakistan’s brutal killing of two Indian soldiers inside Indian territory is inexplicable but forms a now familiar pattern. The PM was silent for days over the Delhi gang rape till public outrage forced him to issue a robotic statement ending with a “theek hai” – encapsulating all that is wrong with our top leadership.

Dr. Singh will go down in history as the first Indian Prime Minister who is not his own boss. Every single Prime Minister who preceded him – Nehru, Shastri, Indira, Desai, Rajiv, V.P.Singh, Chandrashekar, Rao, Deve Gowda, Gujral and Vajpayee – had the last word in his or her government. On policy, no one in party or government could supersede them.

Dr. Singh alas does not have the last word. That belongs to Congress president and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi.

It is important to note that neither Mrs. Gandhi nor her heir apparent Rahul Gandhi have said a word on Pakistan’s atrocity either. This is leading by silence, not leading from the front. It is the principal reason why India has a leadership deficit.

Whether it is silence over Pakistan’s killing of Indian soldiers across the LoC or over Akbaruddin Owaisi’s hate speech and subsequent arrest, India's political leadership has abdicated its responsibility.

madamji is power without responsibility. It things become hot, will replace her mukhota(MMS) and some one will replace him- ? khurshi* before elections to take the fall and fool the Indian public again.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sum » 12 Jan 2013 09:38

What has particularly shocked the men in olive is the naming of a junior commander in Uri. Brig GS Rawat has been painted as a "latter day out-of-control Dirty Harry". One of the stories says he is an officer known to be aggressive. It has reference to his past record. "What does that mean? That brigade commander on the LoC should be docile? To name a brigade commander is bizarre; it makes it seem as if he is fighting his private war," said Major AS Tomar, who just finished tenure on the LoC.

This is what has me hopping mad more than the actual beheadings!

Cant believe our DDM is so utterly compromised and so openly bat for TSP at the cost of serving IA officers!

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2013 10:00

We will all be hopping mad if we concentrate on Indian media and responses.

All are partial and don't give the picture.
As usual pay heed to US, PRC and TSP to understand whats happening.
We cant rely on the govt or its minions to get an understanding.
The gang rape diverted the attention of these fools from the important goings on since second week of Dec 2012.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2013 10:08

The dance of scorpions is always between the wannabe desert folks:US and TSP. Even in 2008 the TSP attacked Mumbai to make US take a stand. Same thing has happened here.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby darshhan » 12 Jan 2013 11:29

Along with Pakis, Saikat Dutta and Praveen Swami should also be punished. They have done something which is unforgivable.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SSridhar » 12 Jan 2013 12:15

krisna wrote:Leading from behind
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s silence over Pakistan’s brutal killing of two Indian soldiers inside Indian territory is inexplicable but forms a now familiar pattern. It is important to note that neither Mrs. Gandhi nor her heir apparent Rahul Gandhi have said a word on Pakistan’s atrocity either. This is leading by silence, not leading from the front. It is the principal reason why India has a leadership deficit.

There is a US-compliant cabal at work which does not want to take independent decisions to safeguard the interests of the country. They do not want to do anything that may make the situation difficult for the US. They take refuge under flimsy grounds to justify their (in)action. Their followers are all in it for money and benefits. We have to identify this cabal.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby partha » 12 Jan 2013 13:12

News Flash:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/


If ceasefire violations continue, then perhaps we may have to look at some other options for compliance: Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne.


This kind of statement should come from the political leadership. But at least some one is talking tough.

Latest statement from political leadership -

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet ... off-316503

Paris / New Delhi: India has not got any substantial response from Pakistan yet on the treatment meted out to the bodies of the two jawans who were killed by Pakistani troops near the Line of Control in Kashmir, Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid has told NDTV. The minister emphasised that this was "unacceptable and must be explained" but added that "we are not going to be pressurised by wild calls for revenge and reaction."

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 12 Jan 2013 13:40

When the honorable FM Salman Khurshid says, "we are not going to be pressurised by wild calls for revenge and reaction.", does he stop to think

  1. about the issue of Army morale,
  2. about the issue of creating a credible deterrent for such acts in the future
  3. about the issue of providing inspiration and leadership to the people of the Indian nation.
  4. about the issue of country's honor in the comity of world powers and other countries who look up to them

Mr. Salman Khurshid, which country do you represent? Is it really India? Or is it USA, or may be even Pakistan?

But then your stance may be more reflective of the Congress President, Mrs. Sonia Gandhi!

I think the nation would be ashamed of having you as Foreign Minister, unless you make a drastic change in your stance, which addresses the issues stated above!

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby partha » 12 Jan 2013 14:12

Latest report:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/High-alert-reports-of-troop-build-up-on-both-sides-of-Indo-Pak-border/articleshow/17993641.cms

High alert, reports of troop build-up on both sides of Indo-Pak border


There are also reports of a troop build-up on both sides of the border.

Pakistan has so far not responded to requests from India and its army for a flag meeting at the brigade level to de-escalate tension along the LoC.

Indian intelligence intercepts reveal that the Pakistan Army has cancelled all leaves and ordered its troops to report for duty.

According to sources, defence secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and the three service chiefs are likely to brief defence minister AK Antony on Saturday on the latest situation prevailing along the LoC.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby partha » 12 Jan 2013 14:35

Finally some tough talk from political leadership.

Kapil Sibal gives stern warning to Pakistan
































NEW DELHI: Union minister Kapil Sibal on Friday warned against foreigners who come to India to do business. His remark comes at a time when the UPA-2 government at the Centre is trying to attract foreign direct investment ( FDI) to boost the economy.

Pointing to history, communication and IT minister Sibal said, "People from foreign countries have come to India for business and then became rulers of the country. Today, they are again coming to do business here and divide us. We must be careful of them."
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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Baikul » 12 Jan 2013 14:51

partha wrote:News Flash:
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Paris / New Delhi: India has not got any substantial response from Pakistan yet on the treatment meted out to the bodies of the two jawans who were killed by Pakistani troops near the Line of Control in Kashmir, Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid has told NDTV. The minister emphasised that this was "unacceptable and must be explained" but added that "we are not going to be pressurised by wild calls for revenge and reaction."


This is the same, and the I use the word advisedly, m@darchod who, when it was a question of his own political survival a few months ago, threatened Kejriwal with what looked then like physical violence:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... urshid-iac

In an address to his supporters, as shown on TV channels, Khurshid is heard saying, "Let him come to Farrukhabad, let him come to Farrukhabad... but will he be able to return from Farrukhabad?"

The Union law minister further says... "I was told to work with a pen. I will continue to work with the pen, but time has come to also work with the blood."


When India's soldiers are sent home with mutilated bodies, Khurshid advises against "wild calls". When his political career is on the line he behaves like a guttersnipe.

Is it even possible to fully express contempt for such behaviour? I know if I were to act on a tenth of what I feel, I would be in jail for a very long time.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 12 Jan 2013 14:54

What is the chance that Pukistan can be outshelled by continuing to engage them to a shelling game on the border. Real heavy shelling. Some day they will run out of resources to keep shelling back. Assuming that escalations are not allowed (if the 31/2 friends lay off)

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 12 Jan 2013 14:55

Youth Congress protested in New Delhi against the puki perfidy as per DNA (online version).

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Altair » 12 Jan 2013 14:56

Things are in motion for a very very huge event this week. Mai ji will leave this country for health checkups very soon to avoid fire.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby abhisheka » 12 Jan 2013 15:03

partha wrote:News Flash:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/


If ceasefire violations continue, then perhaps we may have to look at some other options for compliance: Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne.


This kind of statement should come from the political leadership. But at least some one is talking tough.

Latest statement from political leadership -



If we do not have the intent/capability of enforcing compliance, why do we even have such an agreement? ACM NAK Browne could have gone further and simply asserted that the ceasefire shall be enforced. I.e., We keep firing at Pakistan until they reiterate their commitment to the ceasefire by providing stronger guarantees. A security deposit of a couple of billion dollars held for a tenure of 5 years might convince us.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 12 Jan 2013 15:13

Altair wrote:Things are in motion for a very very huge event this week. Mai ji will leave this country for health checkups very soon to avoid fire.

well ji well, hope target of the event is outside the desh. Mai ji can come and go any time anywhere for all one cares as one cannot do anything about that.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 12 Jan 2013 15:27

I don't think we can expect much from the present Govt. The interests of the nation and those of the Islamo-Christianist Cabal Regime in India simply do not coincide.

And one needs to call the current dispensation by its rightful name - an Islamo-Christianist Cabal Regime!

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Postby vishvak » 12 Jan 2013 16:07

Hopefully the Indian Air Force has planned for air superiority over the sector in case any troop build up from the Indian side needs to be backed up. PoK is in any case Indian territory therefore that has to be taken into consideration as well, as also some Air Force bomber jets kept ready to annihilate any threat in any Indian territories and worse threat builds up.

For Indian point of view, a border of J&K is no different than border of any other international boundary. Hopefully some sense would prevail to provide cordon of security over International boundary to compliment the army as well.

A troop buildup across International boundaries can not be taken lightly under no circumstances.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby shyamd » 12 Jan 2013 17:06

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
No response from Pakistan on flag meeting.Pakistanis have refused to even pick up the phone. Intermittent Probing fire from both sides is on

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Postby Bibhas » 12 Jan 2013 20:16

Headlines Today is reporting live that UN Observers are there at LoC on Indian side despite India's claim that it will never acccept UN intervention. Have our politicians already sold the country? Many hours have passed and the country has not received any credicle clarification from any ministers.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

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shyamd wrote:nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
No response from Pakistan on flag meeting.Pakistanis have refused to even pick up the phone. Intermittent Probing fire from both sides is on

Atleast one side has some b@lls to do what they THINK is "right".. The same can't be said for the other side. No points for guessing who is on which side.

stupid kongress and WKK morons are selling the nation, looting it, and severing it piece by piece. I guess this is what they mean when they say death by a 1000 cuts. Irony is that this is self inflicted!

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 12 Jan 2013 20:35

No response from Pakistan on flag meeting.Pakistanis have refused to even pick up the phone. Intermittent Probing fire from both sides is on


I like Paki response. They must have got angry that it was a flag meeting, we must have invited them for a party with booze with Kurshid as chief guest. May be this time we will invite Haif Saeed as chief guest for republic day celebrations, may be we didn't pass on the invite properly, our prime minister ji will do this in his next trip hopefully before 26th Jan.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kasthuri » 12 Jan 2013 20:39

Seriously I don't see *sensational* media reports today on LoC. Has everything died down?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RoyG » 12 Jan 2013 20:50

Nothing is going to happen. The Pakistanis are just trying to ramp up domestic support for the festivities in 2014. Kerry is now calling the shots and things are warming up with the US. This Islamist wave is coming and we are going to bleed from within.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 12 Jan 2013 20:57

Agree with Roy

TSP is ruled by terrorists
India is ruled by federation of mafia

Nothing will change few soldiers who die for a cause is no cause to pause in looting the country.
If there were to be outrage about BSF soldiers killed by Naxals and bodies hauled up BSF is garbage trucks
Then there would be hope that TSP would get punished.

Cheddi wallah or topi wallah it's no different.

Life goes on

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sanjeevpunj » 12 Jan 2013 20:59

Altair wrote:
darshhan wrote:Here is an image of another Dharmic warrior who battled enemies of Dharma in another era. Bhagwan Parshuram

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Look at the Pharsa he is carrying. I seriously doubt he was using it for cutting vegetables.

To me the intent and utility of the weapon is amply clear.


Exactly why we should not be too jumpy about beheadings. I have no idea why some people are tad too sensitive about the entire beheadings subject. Pakis scored first, so what! we will finish the game!! I am certain pakis just opened a new can of worms and we will have more and more beheadings in days to come across LOC on both sides.


Agreed. We can collect ten trophies, or as PM Singh quotes often - EK se Sawa lakh ladaoun" so why not we get sawa lakh heads? About Lord Parashuram, he is one of the seven immortals, and is known to be meditating/residing at the puranic mountain Mahendragiri , situated in Paralakhemundi, Gajapati district at the Orissa Andhra border.This is close to where the chopper of the Andhra CM -YSR crashed in 2009.
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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby krithivas » 12 Jan 2013 21:03

To publish command level details of an operation in progress is high treason. Had it been the United States, the so called journalist's house would be swarming with suits with heavy forensic gear scalping and carting off every atom of evidence. Had this been China, the so called journalist's would have been picked up at 3AM and locked up in some cold cold cellar for 150 years. Had this been Pakistan, the so called journalists would have been picked up and their bodies found the very next day near a ditch taped up, tortured and shot in the head.

What we have in India is not journalistic freedom - what we have is total anarchy. Even in the West where there is supposedly great freedom there are lines that are never spoken of, but fully understood and never ever crossed. Praveen Swami et al. have to pay for this transgression.

In this instance I strongly feel that Indian's truly find their inner Pakistaniyat for once.

darshhan wrote:Along with Pakis, Saikat Dutta and Praveen Swami should also be punished. They have done something which is unforgivable.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2013 21:46

ACM Browne is the chiefs of staff and is speaking in that capacity.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby rajanb » 12 Jan 2013 21:49

ramana wrote:ACM Browne is the chiefs of staff and is speaking in that capacity.


And conveying a consensus of the other Chiefs and top commanders. Let us see how the P!gturds respond.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby shyamd » 12 Jan 2013 22:42

@ShivAroor: Update: Firing from 3 posts in Poonch sector. Indian Army returning fire from 2 posts so far. Small arms only so far. @HeadlinesToday

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Altair » 12 Jan 2013 22:51

Flash: Heavy firing in Poonch after Army detects movement across Line of Control


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