Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 19 Jan 2013 02:45

I have trouble understanding the cartoon on the page of Najim's article. The Hindu is being shot, what has that got to do with LoC? when the line up includes shias, ahmedis and may be a sunni paki? I think the cartoonist is actually depicting TSP situation but is drawing a == with India? but in what way is it related to LoC incident?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ShauryaT » 19 Jan 2013 03:20

Provoked? A look at the Indo-Pak relationship

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While New Delhi is fuming over the beheading, this spiral of violence has been played in the past with both armies trying to balance the numbers. In July 2011, an infiltrator and cross-border source of the Pakistan army was killed in Keran sector of Kashmir by the Indian army. The Pakistan army’s reply was swift as two troopers of 20 Kumaon regiment — Jaipal Singh Adhikari and Devender Singh — were beheaded. The Indian army apparently kept quiet and waited for an opportune moment. Three months later, heads of three Pakistani soldiers went missing with Islamabad lodging a protest with New Delhi on the alleged killing. In August, 2003, Pakistani troops ambushed an Indian patrol in Nowshera sector and killed four troops of the Jat regiment. The intruders beheaded one soldier and took his light machine gun. A month later, nine Pakistani soldiers were killed in the same sector with heads of two missing. On February 27, 2000, Sepoy Bhausahed Maruti Talekar of Maratha Light Infantry was beheaded by Pakistani troops in Jangad in Rajouri sector but curiously a ranking pan-Islamic jihadist, Ilyas Kashmiri of Al Qaeda, was given credit with Islamabad displaying the badge and weapon of the solider in a macabre display. This apparently was a response to allegations that Indian troops had killed 20 Pakistani villagers in a raid after the Kargil war.

While a mechanism exists for de-escalation on the LoC — with designated places for flag meetings at company, battalion and brigade commander level with prior notice through the director general of military operations, dialogue — it is rarely exercised to defuse situations. There was no meeting sought by the two sides despite routine exchanges in Uri and Krishnaghati, a key infiltration route, in Poonch last year. The fact is that flag meetings rarely end in solutions unless there is pressure from the respective headquarters. If India-Pakistan have plans to normalise relations, then the time has come to put a stop to these local private wars and head hunting games.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby prahaar » 19 Jan 2013 03:36

The above article is one of the most most derogatory article. If the author compares brigade and corps commanders in-charge of maintaining security across LOC as privately armed dakoos (local private wars - so Lt.Gen. Parnaik is the head of private goons on LOC), it betrays his intentions. Pakistan has no plans+capability to normalise relations. Simple.

Relations can be normalised with a normal country, many in India do not realise that or at least pretend not to. The learned Mr.Gupta did not bother to mention Capt.Kalia. After every ghastly incident, Indians are asked not to look in the past but look forward and pretend that everything is normal.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby JohnTitor » 19 Jan 2013 16:06

prahaar wrote:Parnaik is the head of private goons on LOC), it betrays his intentions. Pakistan has no plans+capability to normalise relations. Simple.

Relations can be normalised with a normal country, many in India do not realise that or at least pretend not to. The learned Mr.Gupta did not bother to mention Capt.Kalia. After every ghastly incident, Indians are asked not to look in the past but look forward and pretend that everything is normal.

+1

Pak ultimate intention is to destroy India. They have learnt over time that they can bleed India and get away with it. WKK and paki @ss lickers will never understand this. Its as if they are brainwashed to think that pak will reciprocate kindness. EVEN the US knows that they are traitors, which is why when they had a shot at OBL they weren't bothered about informing anyone, nor do they bother about paks "sovereignty" when they drone attack them.

The world doesn't want india to react because they are afraid of it going nuclear, but whats shameful is that india's WKK community won't allow it even if the world asks us to fight fire with fire. The question is, is there a way to "unbrainwash" these folk?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jan 2013 16:32

Shonu wrote:+1

Pak ultimate intention is to destroy India. They have learnt over time that they can bleed India and get away with it. WKK and paki @ss lickers will never understand this. Its as if they are brainwashed to think that pak will reciprocate kindness. EVEN the US knows that they are traitors, which is why when they had a shot at OBL they weren't bothered about informing anyone, nor do they bother about paks "sovereignty" when they drone attack them.

The world doesn't want india to react because they are afraid of it going nuclear, but whats shameful is that india's WKK community won't allow it even if the world asks us to fight fire with fire. The question is, is there a way to "unbrainwash" these folk?


If you think people who are pretending to sleep are actually sleeping then it will always be like that. The Whole WKK understand Pakis better than us but never face the consequences of Pakistani actions, it is only Aam Aadmi.

The question there is something which is not there in Public knowledge why this behavior keeps coming up, what are ties to International and Pakistani Elite.

How do we make WKK pay for their Traitorous behavior, after it was none of their or their family members head which got chopped off, only an Army Jawan whom they don't identify with., as some some Bhupendray CHoudry of CNN-IBN tweeted, this is a an exception and should not hurt peace process?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_20317 » 19 Jan 2013 16:56

Shishir Gupta of Hindustan Times puts down the attack to this.

In July 2011, an infiltrator and cross-border source of the Pakistan army was killed in Keran sector of Kashmir by the Indian army.


While the article is a pathetic attempt at drawing an ==, which any typical Candle holder is expected to do, how does protecting ones country from infiltrators justify going down this route of stealth attacks.

Though good only. One of these days somebody will trace out some innocent as milk kid of one the highest Paki RAPE class, some big ahudedaar and then they will realise what it means to inflict terrorism on other non fighting people.

Counter terrorism is the only real response to a terrorist. Terrorist know well the fear of gun and this is the only emotion they understand.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby JohnTitor » 19 Jan 2013 17:23

Aditya_V wrote:If you think people who are pretending to sleep are actually sleeping then it will always be like that. The Whole WKK understand Pakis better than us but never face the consequences of Pakistani actions, it is only Aam Aadmi.

The question there is something which is not there in Public knowledge why this behavior keeps coming up, what are ties to International and Pakistani Elite.

How do we make WKK pay for their Traitorous behavior, after it was none of their or their family members head which got chopped off, only an Army Jawan whom they don't identify with., as some some Bhupendray CHoudry of CNN-IBN tweeted, this is a an exception and should not hurt peace process?


Interesting - that you say they are aware of the treacherous mentality. If this is the case, why do they still market this aman ki tamasha? What do they gain? Everyone is driven to do everything because of what they believe they will gain. Even a murderer will do what he does because he believes he has something to gain. So these WKKs have to benefit somehow. right?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sudhan » 19 Jan 2013 17:37

Musharraf farts, As usual.

Pulling words out deep from his sorry behind :evil:

LoC death designed by Indian Army, says Musharraf

I remember an ex-American diplomat saying in an interview: "Pakistanis are such pathological liars that they don't even know they are lying"..

Ack-thoo

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jan 2013 17:42

And this guy was whined and Dined by the Delhi INC elite at with IOC, ONGC etc. sponsoring the event.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby chetak » 19 Jan 2013 18:26

Aditya_V wrote:And this guy was whined and Dined by the Delhi INC elite at with IOC, ONGC etc. sponsoring the event.



Not only that.

FREE Full boarding and lodgings + security, including first class air tickets.

and paid a minimum of 50-60 lakhs as appearance money if not more, because that was what he was paid for the previous india today do.

Indians really are a bunch of morons and he is always paid a hefty sum to appear on Indian TV. All this just for him to come here and spit in our face, which he does with unfailing regularity.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby vishvak » 19 Jan 2013 19:16

To add to all that, no one ever mentioned Shimlaa agreement even once during the star circuit trip of mushrraf from pakistan.

What is being offered for silence on Shimlaa agreement and to whom selectively? It is ridiculous that people are not talking of the agreement these days even when both sides have signed it and are therefore bound to not feign ignorance at the least to begin with.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby anupmisra » 19 Jan 2013 19:38

Aditya_V wrote:And this guy was wined and Dined by the Delhi INC elite at with IOC, ONGC etc. sponsoring the event.



Hindu traders of old-Delhi sang (in fear?) and danced (forced?) in the praise of timur after his day long qatl-e-aam of the Hindu citizens of Delhi. Its a fact, not often told in our history books. What's new?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby anupmisra » 19 Jan 2013 19:42

The generation that migrated to India from the present day region called al-bakistan is to be mostly blamed for creating this inertia and docility.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby chaanakya » 19 Jan 2013 20:07

ShauryaT wrote:Provoked? A look at the Indo-Pak relationship

Looks like this was not posted.

While New Delhi is fuming over the beheading, this spiral of violence has been played in the past with both armies trying to balance the numbers. In July 2011, an infiltrator and cross-border source of the Pakistan army was killed in Keran sector of Kashmir by the Indian army. The Pakistan army’s reply was swift as two troopers of 20 Kumaon regiment — Jaipal Singh Adhikari and Devender Singh — were beheaded. The Indian army apparently kept quiet and waited for an opportune moment. Three months later, heads of three Pakistani soldiers went missing with Islamabad lodging a protest with New Delhi on the alleged killing. In August, 2003, Pakistani troops ambushed an Indian patrol in Nowshera sector and killed four troops of the Jat regiment. The intruders beheaded one soldier and took his light machine gun. A month later, nine Pakistani soldiers were killed in the same sector with heads of two missing. On February 27, 2000, Sepoy Bhausahed Maruti Talekar of Maratha Light Infantry was beheaded by Pakistani troops in Jangad in Rajouri sector but curiously a ranking pan-Islamic jihadist, Ilyas Kashmiri of Al Qaeda, was given credit with Islamabad displaying the badge and weapon of the solider in a macabre display. This apparently was a response to allegations that Indian troops had killed 20 Pakistani villagers in a raid after the Kargil war.

While a mechanism exists for de-escalation on the LoC — with designated places for flag meetings at company, battalion and brigade commander level with prior notice through the director general of military operations, dialogue — it is rarely exercised to defuse situations. There was no meeting sought by the two sides despite routine exchanges in Uri and Krishnaghati, a key infiltration route, in Poonch last year. The fact is that flag meetings rarely end in solutions unless there is pressure from the respective headquarters. If India-Pakistan have plans to normalise relations, then the time has come to put a stop to these local private wars and head hunting games.


He is lying. However he is right that Flag Meeting rarely ends in solutions. He forgets to mention the cause of it - Pakistani intransigence . India Army is always the first to call for Flag Meeting and Pakistanis are always first to refue it. They only understand the language of domination and when things , in thier opinion, is running out of their control and dominated by IA then they come running for Flag meeting. This is the news item for Jun 2012 which he mentioned in his Blog.

viewtopic.php?p=1298442#p1298442
18 Jun 2012
chaanakya wrote:Pak fires crisis along the border

The tension started on Monday when Pakistani forces violated the ceasefire at Krishna Ghati sub-sector of Poonch sector in which a BSF jawan was injured. He succumbed to wounds on Wednesday night.

Pakistan forces on Wednesday afternoon, however, upped the ante and opened indiscriminate firing on Indian positions causing injuries to two soldiers, one of whom later succumbed.

The Indian Army immediately reached the Pakistani army through the hotline asking for restraint to de-escalate the situation. “Instead of responding to the Indian message, Pakistanis repeated the firing, injuring another jawan. Seemingly unsatisfied with Indian restraint, Pakistan continued to fire (on Indian posts).On the night of June 15 our posts again came under small arms fire from the Pakistan side,” Col Palta said.


The Indian Army regretted that all attempts towards de-escalation of the situation and the resumption of routine life for civilians in the area, have received a negative response.


Around 102 ceasefire violations along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir have taken place since 2010. Around 44 cases of ceasefire violations along the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir were registered in 2010. Around 51 cases of ceasefire violations were reported in 2011.

India and Pakistan declared cease-fire on all the three borders -- 772Km LoC, 192 Km International border and 122 Km Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) in Siachen – in 2003.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby abhishek_sharma » 19 Jan 2013 20:10

^^ That guy is not reliable (like B. Raman). I would recommend that we stop increasing our BP by discussing his views. Of course, some people will keep posting his articles. We should not worry too much about them either.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RamaY » 19 Jan 2013 20:11

So the scenario I wrote in military scenarios thread is correct. PMO wants the army to call pakis Everytime there is a cross border raid?

And Indian military commanders do not know how to act intelligently? As if they always followed the law and obeyed the civilians? Whom are they kidding?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sanjeevpunj » 19 Jan 2013 20:58

The intention of politicians is to rule as long as they can. They consider the military to be subservient towards this purpose.Its all in their bloated ego.isn't it time they got disciplined by someone strong enough to call a spade a spade.I am waiting for that one guy, and he has to come from the military.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby CRamS » 20 Jan 2013 05:43

Well, Kunji Thappad knows it all, because Bakara told him: "Both sides" do it

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 95289.aspx

So if he wants to be sooooo honest, how about telling the Indian people that what Kashmiri Muslims are demanding is communal and Islam-inspired separatism.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 20 Jan 2013 06:56

I don't see any thing wrong in what TSP has done
Because we never consider their desire to harm people of India is of grave nature
At every instance it is the Indians who with their Molly codling are raising the bar for TSP to go brazen

After all TSP fauji have more rights than the assembly of babas and Anna's who would have been lathi charged at minimum or fired upon
Even the minority rage against the majority in the recent roots where people desecrated amar Japan were left Scott free
So more if this will be happening and more often at the convenience of TSP non state actors, state actors and our own stooges from media to powers be will talk away the incidents

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SaiK » 20 Jan 2013 07:15

I would want our IA to be well equipped knowing fully that they have three pronged enemies - External, Internal and the Trishankoos. Equip every soldier with minimum sensor system that can detect motion and heat 100s of feet away, with an IFF buddy signature. Something would have prevented the behind the back stabbing and mauling by the pigrapist genes who all don't know how to read or write.

Every soldier as army system (ESAAS) should be the core focus after this and many lessons, and further advanced one for the future lessons.. eye for an eye opportunity is lost when we can't sense the enemy. It is a moot point to argue our gullibooze crowd to take decisive action.. jee hardly they have any brain cells left to handle day to day life.

Gears and better gears is the only way out! kill at sight... and that is the war we have to foot!

GA IA! this is an earnest call from heart bleeding crowd.. please equip yourselves for all split second decisions and kill enemies before they can think.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Surya » 20 Jan 2013 08:05

ok the sustain plan to repeat a lie a thousand times is proceeding

outlook now has a lead article which says that boths side did beheadings

I have posted that only vested interests will equate a lopping of a head in battle to beheadings for mutilation and psy war.

no hopes of it getting published

we need to get the aroors and others to highlight this aspect

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby chaanakya » 20 Jan 2013 11:12

Government played no role in sending back Pakistani hockey players: Salman Khurshid

A record in downhill skiing by MEA
Within 8 days he issues clarification.
New Delhi: In an exclusive interview to CNN-IBN, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid said that the government played no role in sending back Pakistani sportspersons and cancelling plays to be performed by artists from the neighbouring country following the killing of two Indian soldiers by the Pakistan army at the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

In a ceasefire violation on January 8, 2013, the Pakistani troops killed two Indian soldiers - Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh and Lance Naik Hemraj Singh - at the LoC. The bodies of the soldiers were found mutilated. Following the incident, tension escalated between the two countries. While the Indian and the Pakistan governments tried to control the situation, protests were witnessed in India with people demanding that strong actions should be taken against the neighbour country.

Speaking to Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate, Khurshid clarified that the decision to send back Pakistani hockey players and cancel proposed Pakistani plays were taken by the organisers and the government had no say in it.

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He is distancing MEA from the recent incident and the outburts by many in India

Excerpts are
Karan Thapar: After an initial period of restraint and sobriety, you put visas for the elderly on hold, you send back hockey players, you cancelled plays both in Jaipur and Delhi. Can you today with hindsight and reflection accept that those were silly populist gestures and a mistake?

Salman Khurshid: Karan, let me share this with you. The Central government did not formally reflect on any decision that could be described as a decision that led to any of these events.

Karan Thapar: Then how did these things happen?

Salman Khurshid: A lot of this was done normally and automatically by the organisers themselves.

Karan Thapar: But the visas being put on hold?

Salman Khurshid: No visas have been put on hold. Only one element of visas was queried by some of our agencies. It was only a matter of postponing, nothing has been put on hold.

Karan Thapar: You are suggesting that the putting on hold of the visas, the sending back of hockey players, the cancellation of plays was not a well thought out decision. It was things that individuals did arbitrarily or individually?

Salman Khurshid: Not arbitrarily.

Karan Thapar: Not consulting the government.

Salman Khurshid: Keeping a context in mind, keeping the developments that had taken place and keeping in mind their responsibility. As far as hockey players are concerned, there is a responsibility of the organisers in the matches.

Karan Thapar: But there was no decision by the Cabinet to take these steps?

Salman Khurshid: There was no decision taken by the Cabinet at all.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby chaanakya » 20 Jan 2013 11:20

And some more statements from the same interview ( yet to be telecast, tonight perhaps)
Peace process with Pak back on track 'considerably': Salman Khurshid

Asserting that it will not be influenced by "jingoistic conversations" in sections of the media, the government today said peace process with Pakistan was back on track "considerably" but made it clear that "atmospherics" have to be right to move forward.

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid, while underlying that it is sensible not to hasten and rush into things, also denied that the government has been boxed into a corner over the ceasefire violations at the Line of Control and the beheading of an Indian soldier by Pakistani troops.

"It is unfortunate that out of context debates take place in media. But the media is free. You have to take the good and bad of the media if you believe in a free society. But we are not going to be influenced necessarily by jingoistic conversations that take place on some sections of the media,"
Khurshid told Karan Thapar on CNN IBN's Devil's Advocate programme.

He said that the recent talks between Directors-General of Military Operations (DGMOs) of both countries were a "positive signal".


When asked if the peace process has been put on hold, the Minister said, "I don't think so. I think the peace process is going well. What are indications is we have got back on track quite a bit. I don't even know to what extent we had gone off track but certainly there was a sense that we were slipping.

"We have got back on track considerably. That is a good sign and we would want that to continue. But obviously time would tell if we are back on track or not."

On India's reluctance to Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar's offer for talks, Khurshid said "atmospherics" need to improve.


"What we need to do is to ensure that multi-dimensionally the atmospherics improve. We did hit a low point obviously a few days ago and I think it is important that we get back to a level of atmospherics that can be described as near normal (in which) the LoC remains peaceful and there is no incident that is counter-productive and then we can think of moving forward in a meaningful way," he said.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_23629 » 20 Jan 2013 11:32

Asserting that it will not be influenced by "jingoistic conversations" in sections of the media


These jokers will never be influenced by "jingoistic conversations" as long as it is somebody's else's children who are getting beheaded. The day some harm comes to their own family, they will burn the whole world down.

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Jan 2013 11:56

CRamS wrote:Well, Kunji Thappad knows it all, because Bakara told him: "Both sides" do it
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 95289.aspx

Well, Karan Thapar cites three sources:
  • The first source, Praveen Swami, says that the information could not be independently verified. Even if true, he did not possibly explain the context, possibly cleverly to draw an equality.
  • Barkha Dutt's credibility is questionable after being involved in the Niira Radia case
  • Harinder Baweja. We know she is another Burkha Dutt

Even leaving aside the credibility of Barkha Dutt, both she and Harinder Baweja refer to the beheading by the IA. Even granting they were true, they were in retaliation for the mutilation of Lt. Saurabh Kalia ad five of his men and the booby-trapping of dead India soldiers (Maj Adhikari and three of his men) which blew away IA folks who tried to retrieve these bodies.

In any case, TSPA did not even want to accept the bodies of Pakistani soliders and they had to be buried with appropriate religious rites by the IA. Brig Rashid Qureshi even said, falsely, that over 300 bodies lying near Tiger Hill were those of Indian soldiers. That was the respect they showed to their own soldiers. This has not been the first occasion that the PA refused to accept bodies of their own soldiers for fear that it would establish their guilt.

Even granting Barkha Dutt & Harinder Baweja had indeed seen the heads of TSPA soldiers, it could have come only much later after the episodes involving Maj Adhikari and his men and Capt Kalia and his men. These bravehearts were martyred early in the war by mid May, 1999 while assaulting the heights occupied by the PA and the jihadis. If any IA soldier(s) had beheaded a TSPA soldier it could not have come before regaining those heights. That is how context becomes important.

It is only anti-Indians who equate cause and effect, aggressor and the aggrieved and the criminal and the victim.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 20 Jan 2013 12:14

If Indian soldiers have beheaded Pakis than it would have been either in war (e.g. the Kargil conflict) or in retaliation to some Pakistani dastardly act.

The beheading of Martyr Lance Naik Hemraj Singh happened on the LoC during 'normal relations'! Either the Pakis have to accept that we are not in war, for otherwise why have they been talking about peace with us, and that they beheaded our jawan while talking peace, so there is no need for peace talks. Or if we are in war, then GoI has to explain why are we not hitting back, and why all the "uninterrupted and uninterruptible" peace talks.

So what is the position? Are we officially in war or not?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby svenkat » 20 Jan 2013 12:39

RajeshAji,
you are an evil hindoo baniya who oppresses daleets and shoodars and wants to disrupt pissful peepul to peepul ties.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 20 Jan 2013 14:01

svenkat ji,

As an evil Hindu bania, my zehniyat is like this onlee, my heart is very small and I am mucho mucho greedy. I want both Tit and Tat (As Mr. Khar puts it). I want the Tits of Pakeezahs for dessert and the Tats of Pakees, the latter cut, peeled and washed for salad!

But as an Internet Hindu, all I can do is send my X-mas wish to Santa Claus, who is keeping the seat warm for Maria and Baby Gandhi. But being a Hindu fundamentalist, I know Santa Claus would overlook my X-Mas wish completely, and give everything to those who have first right on India's resources. :(( :((

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby vasu raya » 21 Jan 2013 02:11

Could it be that Saurabh Kalia's father when he wanted to approach UN since impotent GoI didn't have an answer to his requests that the Pakis saw an opportunity to link beheadings and mutilation of Indian soldiers on LoC with UN? Since only alternative for a bereaved Indian citizen or soldier to external acts of violence apart from a maun GoI is UN and helping the matters is a Paki on the Security Council

In contrast, for 26/11 incident the GoI was slightly proactive by issuing threats followed by sending dossiers to Pakis instead of being completely Maun

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 21 Jan 2013 04:09

Please look at medicrook's recent article on the reports of "beheadings by both sides"
Unless there is confirmation from a reliable Army source, like Maj Gen Puri himself, both Shammy’s and Barkha’s stories have to be dismissed as unreliable. They have written it and the onus is on them to prove their story is factual.

The argument starts from the eagerness shown by barkha on her own show to avoid discussion on her own 2001 article which was quoted first by Hillaly (?) on Times Now debate. This was picked up later by other ghazis. Incidentally, her original article from Himal site has disappeared (as noticed by some) and only copies posted around those times on a few discussion forums are available.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 21 Jan 2013 11:19

Terrorists held in J&K with special fuel used by Pak army
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/terro ... 130120.htm

Some of the terrorists arrested after infiltrating into India were found to be in possession of special fuel and powder generally used by the Pakistani army in sub-zero temperatures, raising fear that more such terrorists may cross the Line of Control [ Images ] during the current harsh winter months.In the wake of intelligence reports in this regard, the forward units of the army have been alerted to be prepared for any major infiltration during the winter months, official sources said on Sunday.The sources said investigation of some of the terrorists arrested after they sneaked into the Indian territory recently and some of the intercepts suggested that some of the material used by the Pakistani army in areas in Siachen glacier had been passed on to terror groups such as the Lashker-e-Tayiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed.They said some long burning solid fuel cubes (a product manufactured in Germany [ Images ]), which are smokeless and can be extinguished, re-lit and are reusable, were found in the possession of some of the ultras who had recently entered through higher reaches of Kupwara and Gurez in Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ].The cube comprises hexamine organic compound. It is converted into solid fuel in tablet form which burns smokeless and has a high energy density which does not liquefy while burning.A recent meeting of Home and Defence Ministry officials, which was attended by the Jammu and Kashmir police as well, took note of the fact that during the height of winter early this month as many as four terrorists had managed to sneak into the state from Bhimber Gali in Poonch area, the sources said.Intelligence inputs were also suggesting that discarded winter clothing of the Pakistani army deployed in high altitude was also passed on to some of these terror groups.It may be mentioned that the LeT had managed to sneak in a group during the harsh winter last year that triggered a fresh spell of terror in Sopore during the whole of 2012.Certain areas in North Kashmir and some higher reaches of Jammu area were earmarked as possible infiltration routes to be used by LeT terrorists.The presence of Lashker chief Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir during which he met other members of terror outfit for chalking out a fresh strategy was also discussed during the recent meeting and the same information was shared with army formations on the ground, they said.Tension has been witnessed along the LoC after skirmishes between the Indian Army [ Images ] and Pakistani troops. It turned further ugly when Pakistani regular soldiers entered into Indian territory last week, killed two soldiers and beheaded one of them.

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Re: Indian Jouranalists and their anti-national rant

Postby disha » 21 Jan 2013 12:01

SSridhar wrote:...

Even granting Barkha Dutt & Harinder Baweja had indeed seen the heads of TSPA soldiers, ...
It is only anti-Indians who equate cause and effect, aggressor and the aggrieved and the criminal and the victim....


SS sir, they are telling lies. There was no pakistani official complain about any beheading or any thing contravening the Geneva convention from our side. If Burkha and her camp followers cook up a story, it just proves that they are bakistani agents.

It is simple, there is no pakistani official complain till date and Burkha has to say something about it, she better provide a proof first while filing an official complain against the Indian Armed forces. Till then it is hearsay., and spreading rumours undermining the security fabric of India is sedition. So Burkha is being seditious IMVHO.

BTW, what happens when you cross Mahesh Bhatt with Burkha Dutt? Do you get Murkha Butt?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SSridhar » 21 Jan 2013 12:06

disha, agreed.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 21 Jan 2013 21:21

You understand the nature of these TSP Basterds if you have watched the movie Inglourious Besterrds, this rogue aka so called "non state actors" are playing those kind of psyops on the nation and as usual we are divided and just equal equal.

Its just one mafia of politicos, Journalists, Media, TV etc i collusion to loot defame and sap the morale....

we have a lot of cleansing to do.... and I see very little in the near term...

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sum » 21 Jan 2013 21:25

^^ IB4TL?

Anyways, MMS-ji and Hon FM have spoken about how we will not tolerate it the "next time". So, nothing to see here and time to forget this IA provoked incident lest TSP gets upset about CBMs being derailed by jingoistic misled public

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 21 Jan 2013 21:26

Why blame the TSP vermin? they are just being truthful to what they are. What is the matter with our leaders? if they are truthful and loyal to India, one can face any challenge, this is endemic corruption of mind, they seems to have sold their souls, that is very big problem, more than terrorism.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Vipul » 21 Jan 2013 22:21

chaanakya wrote:Government played no role in sending back Pakistani hockey players: Salman Khurshid

A record in downhill skiing by MEA
Within 8 days he issues clarification.
New Delhi: In an exclusive interview to CNN-IBN, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid said that the government played no role in sending back Pakistani sportspersons and cancelling plays to be performed by artists from the neighbouring country following the killing of two Indian soldiers by the Pakistan army at the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

In a ceasefire violation on January 8, 2013, the Pakistani troops killed two Indian soldiers - Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh and Lance Naik Hemraj Singh - at the LoC. The bodies of the soldiers were found mutilated. Following the incident, tension escalated between the two countries. While the Indian and the Pakistan governments tried to control the situation, protests were witnessed in India with people demanding that strong actions should be taken against the neighbour country.

Speaking to Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate, Khurshid clarified that the decision to send back Pakistani hockey players and cancel proposed Pakistani plays were taken by the organisers and the government had no say in it.

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He is distancing MEA from the recent incident and the outburts by many in India

Excerpts are
Karan Thapar: After an initial period of restraint and sobriety, you put visas for the elderly on hold, you send back hockey players, you cancelled plays both in Jaipur and Delhi. Can you today with hindsight and reflection accept that those were silly populist gestures and a mistake?

Salman Khurshid: Karan, let me share this with you. The Central government did not formally reflect on any decision that could be described as a decision that led to any of these events.

Karan Thapar: Then how did these things happen?

Salman Khurshid: A lot of this was done normally and automatically by the organisers themselves.

Karan Thapar: But the visas being put on hold?

Salman Khurshid: No visas have been put on hold. Only one element of visas was queried by some of our agencies. It was only a matter of postponing, nothing has been put on hold.

Karan Thapar: You are suggesting that the putting on hold of the visas, the sending back of hockey players, the cancellation of plays was not a well thought out decision. It was things that individuals did arbitrarily or individually?

Salman Khurshid: Not arbitrarily.

Karan Thapar: Not consulting the government.

Salman Khurshid: Keeping a context in mind, keeping the developments that had taken place and keeping in mind their responsibility. As far as hockey players are concerned, there is a responsibility of the organisers in the matches.

Karan Thapar: But there was no decision by the Cabinet to take these steps?

Salman Khurshid: There was no decision taken by the Cabinet at all.


Visa on arrival put on hold as Pakistan demanded too many documents: Diplomatic sources.

So the anti-national Cong-I was falsely claiming it had put Visa on arrival on hold as a measure against the beheading/mutilation, while the real reason was it was Pakistan which did not want it!!!!

What did India do the deserve such besharm, begairat and openly ant-nationalistic leaders/rulers?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby chaanakya » 21 Jan 2013 22:25

Vipul wrote:
What did India do the deserve such besharm, begairat and openly ant-nationalistic leaders/rulers?[/color]


We elected them not electrocuted.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Anujan » 21 Jan 2013 23:34

Fellows.

Please turn the programming to Al-Bakistan.

Also note that current assemblies in Pakistan are valid only till March. Next election is May-ish. From march to May there is going to be a caretaker government, which is a ripe time for the establishment to hijack the process. So MMS piss pipe not withstanding, unless we sign away siachen in the next 8 weeks, nothing is happening. So relax, take in the tamasha called Pakistan elections. Will a few get bumped off? Will a few get bought off? What about the fellows with the tanks? Please watch the next 4 months.

You also have to understand that how much ever Pakistanis paint themselves as not-Indian, It is India that helps their news cycle and popularity. Zardari was desperate to come over. Rehman malik was desperate to come over. Mushy gave that combative interview and is all over the papers there ("He gave a fitting reply!!"). Somehow PPP wanted piss with India as one of their achievement, Army has torpedoed it. Thats what happened in the border.

As I (and others) have been repeatedly saying, There is a fight going on inside Bakistan. They have to resolve the conflict within themselves, before we jump in and smoke the piss pipe. Else it is all wasted effort. Which we will find after losing much time, money and citizens.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem Kumar » 21 Jan 2013 23:57

So, you are saying that the beheadings was the PA's message to PPP (& to us) that the Piss process is not going the way they wanted?


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