Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

[abhishek_sharma]

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Alacrity in 'talking' to Pakistan needs serious review. Sources say it was MoD that ordered Army to call flag meet. Army not keen so soon.

[ramana]

Basically, no one on our side wants to escalate the incidents. We are waiting for things to quieten down (both media and the other side lowers their guard) before we respond.

I am tired of this failed policy of trying to teach a lesson to TSP with plausible deniability. B Raman also waxes about reviving "covert action" options.

All these suggestions fail to realize that the two nations are in repeated Prisoner's Dilemma confrontation. The conuncdrum is how to make TSP cooperate?

Ackerman has shown that the bet strategy is random tit for tat and in just three rounds the other side learns to cooperate.

This constant appeasement is a flawed apporach.

What TSP needs is a public overt drubbing similar to 1971.
The decade of peace after 1971 attests to the efficacy of the approach.

[abhishek_sharma]

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Indian Army's 5-point agenda at the Brig-level flag meet at 1PM in Poonch: 1) Provide details of Pak raid on Jan 8 at LoC Mendhar. 1/n

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
2) Indian Army Brigadier to formally demand return of Lance Naik Hemraj's head, as family has demanded this. 2/n

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
3) Defend against allegations that Indian unit's ghatak platoon conducted cross-border raid early morning of Jan 6. 3/n

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
4) Detail five ceasefire violations since Jan 8, all in general area Mendhar, Poonch. Details of firing from 13 Pak Army posts. 4/n

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5) Clarify no cross-border action by Indian Army as alleged by Pak on Jan 10 in Mendhar in which Pak's Hav Mohiyuddin was killed. 5/5

[Sanku]

Shukla continues to fly his double-standards proudly. Read it all and get your blood pressure up.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/loc-k ... 130114.htm

the government has faced a growing clamour from hard-line nationalist sections of the media -- especially electronic media -- for "action" to be taken against Pakistan.

After a relatively restrained response in the immediate aftermath of the killings, the government -- apparently due to relentless media pressure -- shifted to a harder line against Pakistan. On January 8, first reports from the army's Northern Command of the deaths of two Indian soldiers in a "ceasefire violation" in the Mendhar sector, had mentioned that the bodies had been mutilated.

[Prem Kumar]

Ackerman has shown that the bet strategy is random tit for tat and in just three rounds the other side learns to cooperate.

This constant appeasement is a flawed apporach.

What TSP needs is a public overt drubbing similar to 1971.
The decade of peace after 1971 attests to the efficacy of the approach.

Its not just game theory - its common sense as well. But rational decision-making has gone out the window long time back.

China invaded us, in part, to de-hyphenate the two countries. As you say above, 1971 ensured a decade of peace. Its pretty obvious to everyone what needs to be done vis-a-vis Pakistan to teach them a lesson & to de-hyphenate

[SSridhar]

What TSP needs is a public overt drubbing similar to 1971.
The decade of peace after 1971 attests to the efficacy of the approach.

Absolutely. We cannot wait forever.

The drubbing of 1971 would have lasted longer but for the unfortunate Bear Trap that pushed TSP into centre stage. The US not only acted recklessly (like TSP & China) vis-a-vis India but even abetted Pakistani terrorism against us, apart from of course creating a permanent hedge against a 1971-like dismemberment by helping TSP get nukes & missiles. History is repeating all over again with the emerging peace talks and TSP support for that.

It is good time as ever to attack TSP. Let us complicate matters for the US.

[abhishek_sharma]

General Bikram Singh to visit the family of killed soldier Hemraj in Mathura: Aaj Tak TV

[sum]

From the conference:

At the same time, he said there were some "tactical errors" on part of the local unit which will be looked into later as an inquiry at the moment will affect the morale of the forces.

There was no need to bring this up in the meet, IMHO. Must have been pushed by some usual DDM till he gave this soundbyte.

[rgosain]

UPA negotiators are totally clueless on game theory operations and hence find themselves playing silly zero-sum games without any utility against a range of parties.
eg if concessions are being demanded from India, then India should at least demand the same from the USA and China, the main sponsors of Pakistan. In china's case, no discussions on Cashmere giving that China's invasion of Tibet, and possessions in POK, and COK have altered the facts on the ground adjacent to the disputed region. The Headley factor paints the US in a less than helpful light and should be pointed out to Kerry and the rest.
The three round tit for tat escalation can always be used at a local level whilst maintaining the sanctitity of the LOC eg in june2002 the IaF used Mirage2000s to bomb positions that were being occupied by infiltrators.

[RajeshA]

Many families who give their sons to man the borders of our country know the dangers and they still do it. They do it, because it is a honor to protect the nation. So honor is a huge issue in recruitment as well as continued military morale.

Nobody would give their sons to an army if they thought it was only an army of sheep, sitting ducks, whom the enemy could come and cut down at will, behead them at will.

So the death would have to be avenged, and the vengeance would have to be brutal. Indians are not sheep!

[krishnan]

And thats basically the problem with our political class, most dunno what honor and dignity means

[abhishek_sharma]

Following leaders visited Hemraj's village today:

1. Sushma Swaraj
2. Rajnath Singh
3. Akhilesh Yadav
4. Nitin Gadkari

Hemraj's wife is very sick.

[SSridhar]

Many families who give their sons to man the borders of our country know the dangers and they still do it. They do it, because it is a honor to protect the nation. So honor is a huge issue in recruitment as well as continued military morale.

Nobody would give their sons to an army if they thought it was only an army of sheep, sitting ducks, whom the enemy could come and cut down at will, behead them at will.

So the death would have to be avenged, and the vengeance would have to be brutal. Indians are not sheep!

Absolutely true.

Apart from what Rajesh has said, the continuous acts of humiliation, barbarity, indignity and dishonour that Pakistan has been heaping on us since 1947, and especially since the late 1980s, has been going visibly unpunished. This dents the morale of India, as a country. This creates a mindset in even smaller countries that India can be toyed around with. One doesn't even need to say how an already powerful and arrogant China would think of India. Indian leadership has been cavalier about such psychological effects. Time and time again, the 'dented & painted' leadership of India have let down the country. India must not stop with displaying its might every 26th of January. It has to robustly demonstrate that.

[abhishek_sharma]

Beheaded soldier's case: Hunger strike by martyr's mother, wife 'petty': SP minister Ramkaran Arya

The beheaded soldier's case turned from bad to worse as an unfeeling SP minister in CM Akhilesh Yadav's govt seeks to play down demands and travails of the martyr's family.

Uttar Pradesh minister for sports and youth welfare Ramkaran Arya said the hunger strike by martyr soldier Hemraj's mother and wife will not solve the issue and it would be a "petty thing" to do on the matter.

Arya told reporters here, "Hunger strike is not a solution. We do strike on problems. Being on strike will be a petty thing on this issue."

The condition of Hemraj's mother Meena Devi and wife Dharamvati, who are on a fast demanding the head of the decapitated jawan, today deteriorated.

According to villagers, they are on fast demanding the return of the head of the slain 13 Rajputana Rifles soldier, who was decapitated by Pakistani troops near the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir on January 8.

The absence of top state government official during the funeral of Hemraj was conspicuous enough to invite criticism.

When asked about the state government's alleged apathy, the minister said that the DM and SP should have reached here.

However, SDM Mathura said a helipad is under construction since UP Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav is expected to visit the village on Monday.

[abhishek_sharma]

Bharat Verma on Zee News:

1. Gen Bikram's message is late.
2. Defence Minister's statement was weak.
3. People don't understand what Salman Khurshid was saying.

Given this variance, the enemy knows that we don't know what our policy/response should be.

[Muppalla]

Basically, no one on our side wants to escalate the incidents. We are waiting for things to quieten down (both media and the other side lowers their guard) before we respond.

Immediately after Pakis have called for third party verification, US has made a statement on the line that if both countires are talking there is no need for any third party involvement. What that means is a conditional statement. If you do not talk then there is a need.

BRF has gone through this game several times. There is a very brief period when India had behaved independent. The UPA government (run by the anti-national moles) is in a clear role "Yes Master" to US. The past spin on this forum to defend UPA government was that India needs a billion lavatories for its poverty ridden population and hence cannot take on the Pakis.

[abhishek_sharma]

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
This photo of today's flag meeting tells you all abt the mood between Brigadier TS Sandhu & Brigadier F Faisal.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
The Indian Brigadier in that last photograph tweeted is Brigadier MVS Kumar, not TS Sandhu as tweeted. Thanks

[abhishek_sharma]

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Curt, unfriendly body language at today's India-Pakistan army flag meeting at LoC Poonch. @HeadlinesToday |

[abhishek_sharma]

Official statement by Indian Army on today's Brigadier-level flag meeting between Brigadiers MVS Kumar & F Faisal.

A flag meeting was held at Chakan - da – Bagh in Poonch on 14 Jan 13 at 1300h. It was attended by Brigadier level officers from both sides.
Our representative expressed our grave concern over the barbaric act by Pakistani troops in the recent ambush of our patrol in the Mendhar Sector. Indian Army raised a strong protest against the heinous mutilation of our deceased soldier’s bodies, pointing out that it was against the tenets of the Geneva Convention as also in contravention to all established norms of soldierly behaviour. It was conveyed to the Pakistan delegation that such a dastardly and cowardly act is totally unacceptable and is a premeditated attempt to undermine the Cease Fire Agreement of 2003, which can lead to further escalation. It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur.
The Pakistani delegation leader denied their involvement in the incident, denying any Ceasefire violations by their troops and reiterated the false and fabricated allegations that our troops crossed over the Line of Control and killed one Pakistani Soldier and injured another. Their response was on expected lines wherein they stated that no ceasefire violation has been initiated by their troops.
The situation along the Line of Control is being closely monitored and necessary vigil is being maintained by own troops.

[sum]

Basically, no one on our side wants to escalate the incidents. We are waiting for things to quieten down (both media and the other side lowers their guard) before we respond.

Isnt this the same we heard after 26/11?

This photo of today's flag meeting tells you all abt the mood between Brigadier TS Sandhu & Brigadier F Faisal.

All the TSPA folks are paratroopers ( going by the para wings above their pockets)?

[RajeshA]

Official statement by Indian Army on today's Brigadier-level flag meeting between Brigadiers MVS Kumar & F Faisal.

A flag meeting was held at Chakan - da – Bagh in Poonch on 14 Jan 13 at 1300h. It was attended by Brigadier level officers from both sides.
Our representative expressed our grave concern over the barbaric act by Pakistani troops in the recent ambush of our patrol in the Mendhar Sector. Indian Army raised a strong protest against the heinous mutilation of our deceased soldier’s bodies, pointing out that it was against the tenets of the Geneva Convention as also in contravention to all established norms of soldierly behaviour. It was conveyed to the Pakistan delegation that such a dastardly and cowardly act is totally unacceptable and is a premeditated attempt to undermine the Cease Fire Agreement of 2003, which can lead to further escalation. It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur.
The Pakistani delegation leader denied their involvement in the incident, denying any Ceasefire violations by their troops and reiterated the false and fabricated allegations that our troops crossed over the Line of Control and killed one Pakistani Soldier and injured another. Their response was on expected lines wherein they stated that no ceasefire violation has been initiated by their troops.
The situation along the Line of Control is being closely monitored and necessary vigil is being maintained by own troops.

Political meddling from the Indian side - "in case they recur" ! In fact the Pakis did not even admit what they did!

Pakis on the LoC need be to be used as firewood for some late Lohri celebrations, and some heads must roll!

Since the Pakis did not even admit to their crime, obviously those heads are not going to roll through their intervention. We will have to make the heads roll.

I salute the mother and wife of Lance Naik Hemraj Singh for not letting up the pressure, which they are doing at considerable discomfort and danger to their own lives.

Since the Pakis have rejected the "allegation" of this barbarity, let alone acquiesced to the demand of returning the head of the slain soldier, the writing is on the wall. We need Paki heads, so that the pain of Hemraj Singh's wife and mother can be ameliorated to some extent.

And if our leaders cannot feel their pain, they should use "chooloo bhar pani" and do the needful. That "missing head" has more worth than the heads of the politicos in India.

[CRamS]

BRF has gone through this game several times. There is a very brief period when India had behaved independent. The UPA government (run by the anti-national moles) is in a clear role "Yes Master" to US. The past spin on this forum to defend UPA government was that India needs a billion lavatories for its poverty ridden population and hence cannot take on the Pakis.

I agree with you, and as much as I have been critical of MMS/Sonia and their cabal, I would not make this a Cong Vs BJP issue. I don't think BJP has all the answers either, and without descending into Cong Vs BJP, I mean we saw appeasement under BJP too.

RamanaGaru briefly alluded game theoretic concepts in dealing with TSP. The smarties and nationalists in India who know TSP well, not the self-loathing, WKK perverts and US slaves, must utilize all of India's levers of power, militray, diplomatic, economic etc, and come up with a set of weakly dominant strategies that India can invoke, and no matter what TSP's response, and that of its 3.5, TSPcannot gain anything more than the status quo Nash equilibrium, which means India wins . Not easy, given the multi-player, multi-dimensional nature of the problem. But right now, under MMS, TSP is gaining and India is losing with each move of TSP and its 3.5, and is unacceptable from India's POV.

[SSridhar]

Put pressure on Pakistan to return Hemraj's mortal remains: Army Chief

"We have to make the Pakistan Army accountable. There are diplomatic, political ways of doing it. As far as the Army is concerned, increasing force and violence is a national decision. We want the head back but what do you when a country and its Army are in denial mode?" "I think we should pressurise them nationally and internationally as part of our national element so that they are made accountable and they are made to return the head of our soldier which they have taken away," he said.

Gen Singh said that for getting the head back, "it will be taken up at the government level and you will have to appreciate that this has to to be done through diplomatic channels.

"It will also be conveyed to the DGMO. It is also being conveyed today in no uncertain terms. Let us see if Pakistan Army heeds to our request and complies to it," he said.

[Chandragupta]

I think it is time to close this thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...

Now this is something I can agree with more than other posts. It is time to stop creating threads and take charge of the country. Retards who we have put in charge by conveniently staying absent from political process have NO INCENTIVE to respond differently than the way they are responding. Taking any sort of tough measures requires serious planning, preparedness for taking short-term economic hit, and risking political career which NO ONE wants in the establishment. Want to fix it, take charge of the country. Let BRFite be the next prime minister and let Pranab Mukharji do the blogging.

Boss that is bang on. How long will we just sit here in the front of our computers and wage war through keyboards. We need to take over the helm of this country. Enough of whining on Internet, nationalists should join political parties enmasse. I am willing to start a new thread on this topic, on what are the options and way forward for nationalists without any political background, to enter India's political space.

[krithivas]

Note to Army Chief: We do not want the "head" back. We require that Pakistan return the mortal remains of a fallen soldier for a decent and honorable funeral.

Indian press and now the army chief's choice of words is careless, insensitive and in bad taste. We are not dealing with a football.

[shyamd]

Put pressure on Pakistan to return Hemraj's head: Army Chief

"We have to make the Pakistan Army accountable. There are diplomatic, political ways of doing it. As far as the Army is concerned, increasing force and violence is a national decision. We want the head back but what do you when a country and its Army are in denial mode?" "I think we should pressurise them nationally and internationally as part of our national element so that they are made accountable and they are made to return the head of our soldier which they have taken away," he said.

Gen Singh said that for getting the head back, "it will be taken up at the government level and you will have to appreciate that this has to to be done through diplomatic channels.

"It will also be conveyed to the DGMO. It is also being conveyed today in no uncertain terms. Let us see if Pakistan Army heeds to our request and complies to it," he said.

Common sense says there will be 2 outcomes:

1) Giving the head back is tantamount to admission that they did do the beheading (against International norms?), so therefore TSPA will continue to deny
2) Quietly give it back without media knowing on both sides and call it an end to this round of tit for tat.

[RajeshA]

Put pressure on Pakistan to return Hemraj's head: Army Chief

"We have to make the Pakistan Army accountable. There are diplomatic, political ways of doing it. As far as the Army is concerned, increasing force and violence is a national decision. We want the head back but what do you when a country and its Army are in denial mode?" "I think we should pressurise them nationally and internationally as part of our national element so that they are made accountable and they are made to return the head of our soldier which they have taken away," he said.

Gen Singh said that for getting the head back, "it will be taken up at the government level and you will have to appreciate that this has to to be done through diplomatic channels.

"It will also be conveyed to the DGMO. It is also being conveyed today in no uncertain terms. Let us see if Pakistan Army heeds to our request and complies to it," he said.

In a way, the Army Chief has thrown the ball back to the politicos - to FM Shri Salman Khurshid. If he is not able to get the head back, then it really means that the UPA2 Govt. should not dictate to the Army how to deal with Pakistan.

Since in the flag meeting, Pakistani side has already flatly denied the "allegation", for them it would also mean a climb down, albeit a little.

Also it puts the "model" Indian "fully-empowered" Muslim - Salman Khurshid to negotiate with the Islamists in Pakistan. If he fails, it would also mean that Pakis don't listen to Indian Muslims, and hence Indian Muslims should in future neither claim they have influence over Pakis or try to dictate Indian policies towards Pakistan.

If Salman Khurshid succeeds in getting back the head, it just underlines that Pakis were responsible for this dastardly act, and India has the right to retaliate, especially thinking of the "international community" as some in India are inclined to.

The case is not over! Shri Salman Khurshid, this will not pass! UPA-2 did a great thing putting an Indian Muslim in the FM chair!

[RajeshA]

Common sense says there will be 2 outcomes:

1) Giving the head back is tantamount to admission that they did do the beheading (against International norms?), so therefore TSPA will continue to deny
2) Quietly give it back without media knowing on both sides and call it an end to this round of tit for tat.

I think 1).

2) cannot happen because there is too much media attention to it, especially in view of the hunger strike by the mother and widow of Lance Naik Hemraj Singh.

[SSridhar]

1) Giving the head back is tantamount to admission that they did do the beheading (against International norms?), so therefore TSPA will continue to deny
2) Quietly give it back without media knowing on both sides and call it an end to this round of tit for tat.

Option 1 is the only possible one by TSPA because it has mounted a lion from which it cannot dismount without being attacked. It has to continue denying because it may fear India taking the case to ICC (not ICJ).

Option 2 is not possible because nothing will remain quiet after the mortal remains are returned.

[Baikul]

Official statement by Indian Army on today's Brigadier-level flag meeting between Brigadiers MVS Kumar & F Faisal.

A flag meeting was held at Chakan - da – Bagh in Poonch on 14 Jan 13 at 1300h. It was attended by Brigadier level officers from both sides.
Our representative expressed our grave concern over the barbaric act by Pakistani troops in the recent ambush of our patrol in the Mendhar Sector. Indian Army raised a strong protest against the heinous mutilation of our deceased soldier’s bodies, pointing out that it was against the tenets of the Geneva Convention as also in contravention to all established norms of soldierly behaviour. It was conveyed to the Pakistan delegation that such a dastardly and cowardly act is totally unacceptable and is a premeditated attempt to undermine the Cease Fire Agreement of 2003, which can lead to further escalation. It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right o retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur.
The Pakistani delegation leader denied their involvement in the incident, denying any Ceasefire violations by their troops and reiterated the false and fabricated allegations that our troops crossed over the Line of Control and killed one Pakistani Soldier and injured another. Their response was on expected lines wherein they stated that no ceasefire violation has been initiated by their troops.
The situation along the Line of Control is being closely monitored and necessary vigil is being maintained by own troops.

Political meddling from the Indian side - "in case they recur" ! In fact the Pakis did not even admit what they did!

So am I to assume that there is to be no further retaliation for this incident?

Well, I may as well get in my whine: I am taken aback by the line"It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur".

I hope I have this wrong, but to me it sounds frustratingly like the placid schoolboy slapped by his mate and then threatening "agli baar karega to dekh loonga".

[Anujan]

Note to Army Chief: We do not want the "head" back. We require that Pakistan return the mortal remains of a fallen soldier for a decent and honorable funeral.

Indian press and now the army chief's choice of words is careless, insensitive and in bad taste. We are not dealing with a football.

I disagree. We disrespect the soldier by not getting his mortal remains back, not by calling his head a head. Let everyone know what we are dealing with.

Else mortal remains will become "war is bad in south Asia" and paki crime will be papered over with euphemisms. Just like how lakshkars became "tribal raiders" , terrorists became "gunmen" , state supported paramilitary has become "non state actors" I don't want his head to become "mortal remains "

[RajeshA]

In a way, I think the Army Chief has already demanded Salman Khurshid's resignation for uttering some BS "this will pass"! The Army Chief has also cleverly thrown a challenge at UPA-2 Govt for restraining the Army in doing their duty.

Well Done, Sir!

[Anujan]

MS Aiyar says the latest spat is a TV ratings competition between India and Pakistan.

[RajeshA]

MS Aiyar should only watch Pakistani dramas, if the current TV programming is boring him!

[Altair]

Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley included in the loop. PM called SS and informed of status.
I wish I see airstrikes on POK in the next 24 hours.

[lakshmikanth]

Occam's Razor tells me that CBI files against the two will be pulled up ... or they would have the choice to keep quiet.

[Baikul]

.....
I wish I see airstrikes on POK in the next 24 hours.

So do I, but if wishes were horses, us BRs (Beggar Rakshaks) would ride.

[Muppalla]

BRF has gone through this game several times. There is a very brief period when India had behaved independent. The UPA government (run by the anti-national moles) is in a clear role "Yes Master" to US. The past spin on this forum to defend UPA government was that India needs a billion lavatories for its poverty ridden population and hence cannot take on the Pakis.

I agree with you, and as much as I have been critical of MMS/Sonia and their cabal, I would not make this a Cong Vs BJP issue. I don't think BJP has all the answers either, and without descending into Cong Vs BJP, I mean we saw appeasement under BJP too.

RamanaGaru briefly alluded game theoretic concepts in dealing with TSP. The smarties and nationalists in India who know TSP well, not the self-loathing, WKK perverts and US slaves, must utilize all of India's levers of power, militray, diplomatic, economic etc, and come up with a set of weakly dominant strategies that India can invoke, and no matter what TSP's response, and that of its 3.5, TSPcannot gain anything more than the status quo Nash equilibrium, which means India wins . Not easy, given the multi-player, multi-dimensional nature of the problem. But right now, under MMS, TSP is gaining and India is losing with each move of TSP and its 3.5, and is unacceptable from India's POV.

It is not about UPA Vs BJP. It is about how India did progressively starting from 1985 to 2004 inspite of hiccups and being alone in the game where the bigger powers are with as usual cruelity. As late KS put is in one sentence in his Kargil report "internaltional diplomacy is a cruel venture" and India did give is some but stood steadfast even in the midst of apeasement due to the Nuclear blackmail. However, there are two events that changed the equilibrium (1) the operation parakram and (2) the attack by TSPA on the Lal Masjid. These two events did take the fight towards AfPak and inside Pak. It is at this time, India decided not to engage with Pakistan and all engagements are conditional. This is achieved inspite of western pressure to do it differently.

The mess called Pakistan is a creation of west and India did with partial success after 911 pushed the solution and maintenance of this mess to west. The west know very well the success of India and they sucessfully reverted the situation back to their good old 90s. The entire goal is that the terror mechinary moves back into India and Cashmere is a most dangerous point on earth is on all over the psyche. This goal will be achived when India-Pak spat in UN, other global fora while Indian Army keeps on doing flag meetings etc. The real achiement of the goal will be when India sees recurrance of terror like the way it used to be in 90s and also when US withdraws its active forces from Afghanistan. With "Yes Master" style MMS in Inda and with a phylosophically anti-Indian like Kerry at helm, these are achievable goals.

[RajeshA]

The only way to push Pakistan into peace is to take away some land from Pakistan for every single gustakhi on India, pushing out the people from there. Don't return the land NO MATTER WHAT!

Repeat the above till Pakistan learns lesson.

Then there will be Aman till the next time Pakis forget the lesson.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat!

[RajeshA]

Formula is:

1) Terror or Aggression => Confiscation of Land
2) 1 x Beheading => 100 x Beheadings
3) Economic Emasculation
4) At least, one Humiliation a Day!
5) Threat of Water Stoppage

+ Long Term Problem Solving