Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Anujan » 09 Aug 2012 12:36

Bank of Credit and Commerce karname goes beyond that. This is from Gordon Corera's book about Paki nuke proliferation

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And again

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Here are a list of resources.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby partha » 09 Aug 2012 12:41

SSridhar wrote:^ Wow. So, there has been a soft corner for our long lost brothers & sisters in Shri Man Mohan Singh's mind, then. He has been on the Aman-ki-Asha project for long. That raises very disturbing questions.

Wow indeed. Blog post?

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Postby a_bharat » 09 Aug 2012 12:51

SSridhar wrote:^ He has been on the Aman-ki-Asha project for long.

Looks like malice under the cloak of stupidity a.k.a a-k-a.

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Postby CRamS » 09 Aug 2012 13:03

SSridhar wrote:^ Wow. So, there has been a soft corner for our long lost brothers & sisters in Shri Man Mohan Singh's mind, then. He has been on the Aman-ki-Asha project for long. That raises very disturbing questions.


What is even more astonishing to me is that almost every Indian living in India (and many in US) that I have interacted with and discussed politics consider MMS to be a saint, they consider his Paki pasand policies as the best thing since sliced bread, thats is, if at all they care or understand his pro Paki pre-dilections. 26/11 has all but disappeared in public consciousness. In fact, Moothra kumar type perverse thinking is pretty ubiquitous, namely, why this obsession with 26/11, so many killings going on yada yada. Nobody even considers the diabolical evil Paki mindset that resulted in this act of war on 26/11 as one that must be avenged. And my ultimate disgust leaving me aghast, most of those I interact with view a real saint, son of the soil, doing his ultimate Dharama: Anna Hazare with contempt and disdain while MMS is this great economist leading India to superpowerdom. Its not suprising to me anymore as to what is driving MMS's surrender to the Pakis: the Indian nation supports him wholeheartedly except for "Hindu extremists" like us.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Virupaksha » 09 Aug 2012 13:40

SSridhar wrote:^ Wow. So, there has been a soft corner for our long lost brothers & sisters in Shri Man Mohan Singh's mind, then. He has been on the Aman-ki-Asha project for long. That raises very disturbing questions.

The actual permission if I remember it right was given during the fag end of IG Patel's reign as RBI head. I had read one of his books long time back. He mentions this incident and says that he himself was in not in the know of the things and read it in the papers after the permission was given. His daughter had brought it to his attention. He said he had recommended against it.(Dont remember whether it was verbal or written.) It was given by one of his deputies, I distinctly remember that he took care not to name them.

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Postby Brad Goodman » 09 Aug 2012 18:30

Hindu teen girl kidnapped in Pakistan

A 14-year-old Hindu girl has been kidnapped from Pakistan's Sindh province, triggering widespread concern among the minority community members and reports of their apparent exodus.

The teenage girl, Manisha Kumari, was kidnapped from Jacobabad in Sindh, which has a sizeable Hindu population, on Tuesday, Pakistan Hindu Council president Jethanand Doonger Mal Kohistani said on Thursday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 09 Aug 2012 18:34

polio isnt the only thing we should be worried about
Pakistan has second highest rate of Hepatitis:WHO

Islamabad—World Health Organization (WHO) has rated Pakistan as 2nd Country in the world having high rates of chronic infections. About 8.6 Million Pakistanis are affected with Hepatitis C, the WHO report said.

Hepatitis C is found worldwide and countries with high rates of chronic infection are Egypt (22% of population), Pakistan (4.8% of population) and China (3.2 % of population). The main mode of transmission in these countries is attributed to unsafe injection using contaminated equipment. Pakistan, is among the top syringe consuming countries where 2.4 billion syringes are used every year.

The use / reuse of suspect quality syringes is posing a serious threat to the life, safety and health of our masses / patients by spreading the menace of lethal infectious diseases like Hepatitis B & C in the country. More than 15 Million Pakistanis have already been affected by Hepatitis B & C mainly attributed to re-use / suspect quality syringes.

As a result, Pakistan has been declared a “Cirrhotic State” in international health circles. A good quality and expensive injection can also pose adverse reaction if it is administered through a substandard syringe.

Therefore, the main cause of Hepatitis in Pakistan is mainly reuse of syringe and use of substandard syringe.

Ministry of Health (MoH) has recently regulated the syringe industry and promulgated rules and regulations but the said rules are yet to be implemented in true letter and spirit.

The facts lamented by WHO are quite alarming and Drug Regulatory Agency of Pakistan should take necessary steps to control the spread of Hepatitis in the Country, doctors and NGOs have warned. —INP



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 09 Aug 2012 18:35

Persecution forces 60 Hindu families to migrate to India

Amid increasing cases of violence and lack of security against their community, 60 Hindu families from Balochistan and Sindh have decided to migrate to India, Express News reported on Thursday.

Four out of the 60 families left for India during midday via Samjhota Express from Lahore Railway Station. The rest of the families are expected to travel by today.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 09 Aug 2012 18:40

Karachi heroin addicts: Cold turkey the only cure
The UN estimates there are around half a million chronic heroin users in Pakistan, with many living in the country's biggest city Karachi. But help for addicts is in short supply, and locking them up is one of the only forms of treatment.


What this means is a system of enforced "cold turkey", with only sedative injections and paracetamol tablets offered for pain relief.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 09 Aug 2012 20:55

SSridhar, There is a 2G connection to all this which is why BCCI got special dispensation. And there is so much hush, hush and beating round the bush.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rsharma » 09 Aug 2012 21:44

Seems like major sahab has been goat-napped by ISI.
Both his teetar and wordpress accounts have gone missing :(

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby kish » 09 Aug 2012 23:30

SSridhar wrote:TSP swlling its nuclear arsenal to counter India: US Congressional Report
Primarily aimed at India, Pakistan is making qualitative and quantitative improvements to its nuclear arsenal and "could increase the number of circumstances under which it would be willing to use nuclear weapons," {IOW, reduce the already low and ambiguous threshold even lower and more ambiguous} a Congressional report has said.

"Pakistan appears to be increasing its fissile production capability and improving its delivery vehicles in order to hedge against possible increases in India's nuclear arsenal.

"Islamabad may also accelerate its current nuclear weapons efforts," the independent Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in a report.


SS ji,

Maintenance of Nuclear weapons costs more than the production of the weapon. And its a recurring cost. They have to spend it irrespective of their economic condition.

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Couple of years back some paki media quoted a $1 billion figure per year on maintenance alone. It must have increased now.

The more they spend on Nuclear weapons the more chances of going the Former Soviet Union way. And lose nukes are a problem for the west, Israel too. Pakis selling their nukes to North Korea helped NK to have a ability to target western USofA.

Paki Army having nukes is a threat to India alone, lose nukes are a threat to everyone.

IMHO, this precisely why there is an increased noise about paki nukes in western media. They did not have any trouble for the past couple of decades, when it was a threat to India alone.

MMS's pappi-jappi makes perfect sense. Let pakistan peacefully disintegrate and let it become everyone's problem rather than India alone taking a hit or dealing with the rogue nations nukes.

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Postby member_22872 » 09 Aug 2012 23:32

As long as US bank rolls TSP for it's sacrifices it made while waging a Global war on terror, no problem maintaining and accelerating any number of nukes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Prem » 10 Aug 2012 00:53

Constiperacy again

Hindus migration is a conspiracy:TP= True Paqqie Malik

ISLAMABAD: Advisor to Prime Minister on Interior Affairs, Rehman Malik Thursday termed the migration of families belonging to Hindu community from Jacobabad as a conspiracy against Pakistan.In a statement, Malik said the government has stopped the 250 Hindu families from migrating to India. "The government will first look into the matter and then allow them to leave Pakistan," he added.Referring to Balochistan, the Advisor said that the law and order situation has improved in the province and the killings have seen a let up.He said the deadlock between the government and judiciary should end and that a compromise will have to be worked out."We are the ones who restored the judiciary, so how can we take any action against them?" he asked.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2012 01:28

Its rogue nations with Paki nukes.

Knowing the track record of the Pakis those rogues should worry about the maal.

The NPA chant used to be India should be constrained as an example to the N+1 state probelm. It so happened it was the PRC with a little help from US(blid eye to PRC's nuke transfers) that used the Pakis to spread the n+1 problem.

Yet the cretin NPAs still target India for they are used to it and there is no payback.

Fellow travellers in GOI and retired community invite the NPAs to preach in Delhi!!!

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Postby partha » 10 Aug 2012 03:14

Jhujar wrote:Constiperacy again

Hindus migration is a conspiracy:TP= True Paqqie Malik


Of course it is a conspiracy to defame Pakistan. How you ask? If Hindus migrate out of Pakistan, Pakistanis will be forced to choose shias and ahmedis for targeted violence because of lack of Hindus.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Dipanker » 10 Aug 2012 03:51

CRamS wrote:
What is even more astonishing to me is that almost every Indian living in India (and many in US) that I have interacted with and discussed politics consider MMS to be a saint, they consider his Paki pasand policies as the best thing since sliced bread, thats is, if at all they care or understand his pro Paki pre-dilections. 26/11 has all but disappeared in public consciousness. In fact, Moothra kumar type perverse thinking is pretty ubiquitous, namely, why this obsession with 26/11, so many killings going on yada yada. Nobody even considers the diabolical evil Paki mindset that resulted in this act of war on 26/11 as one that must be avenged. And my ultimate disgust leaving me aghast, most of those I interact with view a real saint, son of the soil, doing his ultimate Dharama: Anna Hazare with contempt and disdain while MMS is this great economist leading India to superpowerdom. Its not suprising to me anymore as to what is driving MMS's surrender to the Pakis: the Indian nation supports him wholeheartedly except for "Hindu extremists" like us.



You will need a larger statistical sampling population than the handful of people you talked to before arriving at your grandiose conclusion.
Needless to say I don't see the basis presented in your post to agree with your conclusion.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Narad » 10 Aug 2012 04:13

BR's narration of photochor aka "Xerox Khan" making its way into mainstream paki media.

Cartoon by Sabir Nazir for Dawn.com Urdu edition

http://dawn.com/2012/08/08/dream-fuelled-kit/pic-6-kit/

Bliss to update BR dictionay. :lol:

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Postby partha » 10 Aug 2012 04:56

^
Haha.. all credit to Rudradevji for that awesome photochor video!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Baikul » 10 Aug 2012 05:34

Brad Goodman wrote:Hindu teen girl kidnapped in Pakistan

A 14-year-old Hindu girl has been kidnapped from Pakistan's Sindh province, triggering widespread concern among the minority community members and reports of their apparent exodus.

The teenage girl, Manisha Kumari, was kidnapped from Jacobabad in Sindh, which has a sizeable Hindu population, on Tuesday, Pakistan Hindu Council president Jethanand Doonger Mal Kohistani said on Thursday.


There was no kidnapping. Obviously, this lass has found true love and religion, and has willingly freed herself of the clutches of her racist and xenophobic family, father and mother.

Mehrunissa Khan will say so herself in front of the media in a few days, accompanied by her gallant spouse and his five brothers.

Anyone trying to put a spin on this endearing story of young love is bullying the long suffering and tolerant Muslims in Pakistan. Muslims will not be bullied in Pakistan, as there is a limit to their suffering and tolerance.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 10 Aug 2012 06:23

Baikul wrote:There was no kidnapping. Obviously, this lass has found true love and religion, and has willingly freed herself of the clutches of her racist and xenophobic family, father and mother.

Mehrunissa Khan will say so herself in front of the media in a few days, accompanied by her gallant spouse and his five brothers.

The exact same thing happened a few months back in the case of Rinkel Kumari. It was heart-rending to see how she was subjugated and eventually the Supreme Court said that it was her choice. The Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and the Ahmedis are simply being eliminated using every which way.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ranjbe » 10 Aug 2012 06:38

There is at least one sane lady in Bakiland. Kamila Hyat of The News:
Water-driven cars to fairyland
Children believe in fairytales, in the miracles contained in storybooks and in a world of make-belief where anything is possible.
As we grow up, this realm of fantasy is usually left behind – along with the teddy bears, the dolls in frilly frocks or the toy cars of infancy.
However, in our country it seems, some people at least never grow up. Perhaps because the reality around us is so dismal, the future so bleak, that they prefer to latch onto whatever tall tales they hear-abandoning all logic and basic common sense in doing so.

The engineer, Agha Waqar Ahmed – who is being promoted by a scientifically illiterate media, including top talk-show hosts, still more ignorant ministers and, astonishingly, ill-informed scientists – says he can split the oxygen and hydrogen molecules in water and then use hydrogen to create energy.
Minister for religious affairs Syed Khursheed Ahmed Shah, who has been promoting the engineer coming from the same part of Sindh as himself, gleefully drove the vehicle on the occasion.
Meanwhile, a host of other senior officials, including Federal Minister for Science and Technology Mir Changez Khan Jamali, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira, Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly Faisal Karim Kundi and advisor to the prime minister on petroleum Dr Asim Husssain, looked on.

What is still more shocking is how, driven on by TV show hosts, scientists seem to have reached a state of ecstasy over the “discovery”: “top patriot” Dr A Q Khan and Dr Samar Mubarakmand have backed the claim.
The situation is reminiscent of the time when scientists during the Zia era suggested harvesting energy from “jinns.” Politics, and now the rapidly swirling media merry-go-round, send rational thinking spinning far away.

So, should Engineer Agha Waqar Ahmed be preparing for a Nobel Prize? Or should we be prepared to be disappointed once more?
This is often what happens when children discover their favourite fantasies, such as those involving tooth fairies or Father Christmas, are simply not true.
So far we have refused to move into the world of reality. The warnings from Dr Atta-ur-Rehman and Dr Hoodbhoy have largely been sidelined. We need to consider why this is so.
Even school-level physics students should be able to question the rationale behind the curious water theory. Yet here we have ministers, top scientists, leading media anchors and others hailing the Khairpur engineer as a hero.
It seems there is so little in our lives that hold out real promise that we cling onto straws. This is a particularly feeble straw.
The news regarding water and energy has been taken up by the international press and largely ridiculed. This does nothing to bring credit to us as a nation or show us to be intelligent people capable of seeing through publicity stunts, stunts apparently staged to fool people and perhaps gain in monetary terms.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-125602-Water-driven-cars-to-fairyland

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby CRamS » 10 Aug 2012 07:32

Dipanker wrote:
You will need a larger statistical sampling population than the handful of people you talked to before arriving at your grandiose conclusion.
Needless to say I don't see the basis presented in your post to agree with your conclusion.


That is true if you are talking about polling wrt elections. I am talking about the general buzz in the air. I think starting from the top, down to the media lapdogs, there is a conscious decision to not point out the truth about TSP like we do here, and instead divert attention to people's day to day problems, as that resonates instantly. And when they want to, they can create a certain buzz. Witness the alacrity with which almost all and sundry mock Baba Ramdev on the media.You have to witness the words used: fraudster, joker, scam artist etc. Description of Anna is not very flattering either. I also notice McAulite indoctrination in full display. Whenever an elitist wants to refer to an atrocity, its always the Jewish holocaust at the hands of the Nazis in a somber tone, but no mention of several holocausts closer to home, the Bangladesh genocide by TSP generals, the plight of J&K pandits. Even on terrorism, as I said, 26/11 has all but faded away, but 9/11, oh my goodness its "never forget" for our elites. Our media should be demonizing Hafeez Saeed as much as whites do to OBL, instead all I find is our elite media joining in on the Al Queeda and OBL bandwagon as the gold standard for terrorism, not TSP inflicted wounds on India.

Is it any wonder then that not only is MMS not held responsible for the state of affairs with TSP, he is actually cheered on, which then sinks into the minds of the population at large.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Philip » 10 Aug 2012 07:44

S.Gurumurthy write on Pak's "existential crisis",looking for its identity and refusing to acknowledge the fact that it is Indian in origin.Some may remember my similar comments after visiting a Pakistan" exhibition at the Guimet Museum in Paris,where everything on display was of Hindu or Buddhist cultural content!

Pakistan’s existential crisis

By S Gurumurthy
10th August 2012 12:41 AM

It is the government’s official website. It celebrates the nation’s civilisational genesis in the ‘yoga’ and ‘meditation’ of Mohanjadaro and Harappa; its ancestral origins in vedic Puru and puranic Takshaka clans; its cultural roots in Takshasila and Gandhara; its historical antiquity in Mahabharata and Arthasastra; its intellectual leadership in Panini and Chanakya; and its historic political masters in Maurya and Kanishka. It glorifies the Gandhara civilisation, Maurya and Kushana rulers. Which government’s website is it? Indian? No. Hold your breath. It is Pakistan government’s official website: http://www.heritage.gov.pk/html_Pages/h ... kistan.htm. It glorifies the Gandhara — not any Islamic — culture as ‘the high water-mark of Pakistan’s culture’; and celebrates the Kushana — not any Islamist — rule as ‘the Golden Period of Pakistan’. Pakistan, the harvest of the vicious two-nation theory that tore India apart, is shockingly searching for Pakistan’s pre-Islamic, Aryan-Hindu roots.

Jinnah exploded India by expounding his two-nation theory at the All India Muslim League meet at Lahore on March 22, 1940, claiming that Hindus and Muslims look to ‘different sources of history for inspiration’, to ‘different epics’, and to ‘different heroes’. His theory is now found to be bogus by his very creation, the Pakistan establishment. Its official version of history affirms that Muslims too trace their cultural ‘inspiration’ to Gandhara and Takshasila, their ‘epics’ and literature to Mahabharata and Arthasastra, and their ‘heroes’ to Panini, Chanakya, Chandragupta and Kushana. Islamic Pakistan’s official history claims no other cultural antiquity, no other epic, no other heroes! Why does Pakistan now undo the very theory that created it? That is because Pakistan is imploding by the very theory that exploded India.

Soon after Partition, Pakistani leaders realised that religious and political Islam would not transform into constitutional Islam that could accommodate all faiths and peoples. The Objectives Resolution passed by the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan in 1949, declared that ‘sovereignty belongs to Allah’ (not to the people) and the state should enable the Muslims to order their lives in accordance with Islam. A study by Aparna Pande, a scholar at the well-known Hudson Institute, in the US, says that this very objective “gave rise to a central question that has bedeviled Pakistan ever since its creation: If Islam is to be the basis of the state, whose Islam will be followed and how?” Whose Islam? Are there many, diverse, Islams? Yes. The report of the judicial commission (1954) headed by Pakistan’s Chief Justice Munir to inquire into the large-scale violence against the Ahmedia sect put the issue ‘whose Islam’ pithily thus: no two of the several Ulamas are ‘agreed on’ what is Islam; a person who is a Muslim under the definition given by one Ulama, will be kafir according to every other Ulama; and no new definition is possible as any definition that ‘differs from that given by all others’ will be ‘out of the fold of Islam’. QED: Islam prescribes One God, but there is no One Islam.

Thus, far from uniting, says the Hudson study, Pakistan’s Islamic ideology has operated to divide the Pakistan, pitting Muslims against non-Muslims first, later Muslim against Muslim. All Muslims jointly ethnically cleansed non-Muslims and Ahmedi Muslims. The result: Ahmadis, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, and Parsis, quarter of Pakistan’s population in 1947, are now just 5 per cent. The jihadis kill Hindus in India as kafirs. But, they kill fellow Muslims in Pakistan as not Islamic enough. In this free for all killing, Sindhi Muslims kill immigrant Indian Muslims; Baluch Muslims kill other Muslims; Pashtoon Muslims kill Punjabi and Sindhi Muslims; Sunni Muslims kill Shia Muslims. Muslims have killed 42,772 fellow Muslims in Pakistan since 2003, till July 29, 2012, including 4,570 securitymen.

Pakistan’s political leadership has been trying to paper over the disunity within Islamic Pakistan by uniting Pakistani Muslims against Hindu India. Professor Sayyed Vali Raza (of Tuft University) says that the anti-Hindu prejudices of Partition days were transformed into ‘Indo-Phobia’. Hussein Haqqani, Pakistan-born scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, writes that ‘unsure of their nation’s future’, Pakistani leaders and army ‘decided to exacerbate’ the antagonism between Hindus and Muslims, that led to Partition, to acquire the distinctive identity for Pakistan as ‘Islamic Pakistan’ resisting ‘Hindu India’, hostility with India being critical to Pakistan’s identity. Christophe Jaffrolet, well-known author, writes that Pakistan’s ‘nationalism is without a nation’ and is, in essence, anti-Indianism. Khaled Ahmed, leading Pakistani writer, wrote (in 2008) that to be ‘Pakistani’ is to be anti-Hindu, opposing ‘Hindu India’ having become the defining feature of Pakistan’s Islamic nationalism.

In their blind anti-Hindu rage, Muslims of undivided India created Islamic Pakistan which, they now find, they cannot keep up nor give up. After Partition, Pakistan’s diverse inhabitants had no ‘common identity that might bind them together’ and Pakistan has ‘struggled with this lack of a common identity and principle ever since’, says the Hudson study. Hans Morgenthau, a leading 20th century scholar on international politics, said prophetically in 1956 itself: “Pakistan is not a nation and hardly a state, with no justification in history, ethnic origin, language, civilisation, or the consciousness of its population...it is hard to see how anything but a miracle...will assure Pakistan’s future.” The dilemma of Pakistan is brilliantly captured by a Pakistani scholar, Waheed-uz-Zaman, in 1973: “If we let go the ideology of Islam, we cannot hold together as a nation by any other means.... If the Arabs, the Turks, the Iranians, god forbid, give up Islam, the Arabs yet remain Arabs, the Turks remain Turks, the Iranians remain Iranians, but what do we remain if we give up Islam?”

Waheed has touched the heart of Pakistan’s identity crisis. The nationalism of Arabia, Turkey or Iran is not Islamic, because there is no Islamic nationalism as such. Islam in Pakistan’s nationalism is an alibi for anti-Indianism. Says the Hudson study, ‘Without an identity that is firmly anti-Indian, Pakistani leaders fear their country will be reabsorbed within a greater Indian identity’. That is the undivided India’s pre-Islamic cultural identity — the danger, Waheed sees, to ‘Islamic Pakistan’. That, however, may well be the life vest for ‘Pakistan’. An anti-India nation, Pakistan is now a failing state. It is helplessly sliding into anarchy. It is tormented, split between Army-ISI-Jihadi combine’s hate for Hindu India and its compulsion to de-Islamise politically, for its survival. If Pakistan has to survive, it has to de-Islamise politically; for that, it has recall its pre-Islamic ancestry, culture and tradition. If that is happening, it may well be the ultimate solution to Indo-Pak hostilities.

S Gurumurthy is a well-known commentator on political and economic issues.

E-mail: comment@gurumurthy.net

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2012 07:59

Jehadi takeover can prompt Indo-US attack on Pakistan: book
Wed Aug 8, 2012 8:44 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Jehadi takeover can prompt Indo-US attack on Pakistan: book
New Delhi, Aug 8, 2012, (IANS):
http://www.deccanhe rald.com/ content/270148/ jehadi-takeover- can-prompt- indo.html

A jehadi takeover of Pakistan with its nuclear
arsenal can spark an Indo-American military assault on that country,
which could lead to Pakistan's reabsorption into India, says a new book.

"If
the (Pakistan) army were to disintegrate in the face of a jehadist
takeover, all the existing (nuke) safeguards would presumably melt
away," says the book "The Unravelling - Pakistan in the Age of Jihad".

Author John R. Schmidt served as political counsellor at the US embassy in Islamabad in the years leading up to 9/11.

"If
there are concerns today that terrorists might be able to seize a
warhead and either use it for nuclear blackmail or seek to detonate it
somewhere in the US, imagine the level of concern that would exist if
jehadists were actually running the show in Islamabad," it said.

The
book (Pan Macmillan) says that in such circumstance, the US "would
decide to strike first, deploying its specially trained commando units,
if they exist, or attempting to bomb Pakistani warhead storage
facilities, if they can be located.

"The logic of the situation would seem to demand that the US attempt to liberate the country from the jehadists," it said.

"It
could probably destroy all that was left of the Pakistani armed forces
through the use of air power. But it would need considerable help to
wrest physical control of the state away from radical Islamists."

The book goes on to say that the "obvious move would be collaborate with India".

"An
Indo-American alliance could see the experience of Operation Enduring
Freedom (of Afghanistan) repeated on a much larger scale, with the US
providing the air power and India the bulk of ground forces," it says.

The
author, who now teaches at a US university, says that it is "difficult
to speculate how far into Pakistan Indians might feel inclined to push".

"Would
they attempt to occupy the entire country, or perhaps call a halt at
the Indus?""At the very least they would want to bottle up the remaining
jehadist forces and deny them ready access to the sea. This could
militate in favour of seizing Punjab, Sindh and the coastal areas of
Balochistan, while leaving the Pashtun areas on the far side of the
Indus as a kind of jehadist no-man's-land. "

But things won't be easy.

"Once
the dust had settled, the Indians and their US allies would then face a
critical political question: what to do about the areas of Pakistan
that had been brought under their control," the book argues.

"Should
they attempt to reconstitute Pakistan politically, handing power back
to the civilian feudals while trying to reconstruct a less hostile
Pakistani military?

"Or would they decide to incorporate the
occupied territories into India, bringing about the final unravelling of
the Pakistani state?

"It would be the greatest of ironies if Pakistan ended its existence by being reabsorbed into India," the book said.

Nyayamurti

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2012 08:04

For Brig Qadir

Dear Mr.Qadir,

What if there was no Kashmir? — Mehboob Qadir
Read your article in daily times on the 8/8/12 and wanted to e-mail my comments/views. I am an Indian working in the UK for many years and still proudly carry my Indian passport. After much thought, it is my view that Pakistan is a failed state because of the following reasons :-
1) There is no female empowerment in Pakistan. 33% of all seats from the village to the parliament are contested by women only in India. Female politicians like jayalalitha, mayawathi, Sushma swaraj and mamata banerjee are not hand chosen by their male politicians for cosmetic purposes like Ms.Khar in Pakistan. Tessy Thomas is the head of the design team which launched Agni- 5 ICBM. Mary Kom and Saina Nehwal won Olympic medals. We are big country and still have problems, but we spend time trying to fix them.
2) Equality of minor religions- India’s vice president is Hamid Ansari. India has had several muslim presidents, cricket players, captains, industrialists like Azeem Premji, Bollywood stars. India has several muslim MLAs and MPs. We regularly enquire about muslim welfare in India like the sachar committee report recently and we take steps to rectify mistakes. Where is the equivalent for Hindus and Christians and Hindus in Pakistan? Intolerance for anything that is non Islamic is at the very heart of the problem for Pakistan.
Your leaders are comfortable bending over in Washington and London rather come to amicable understanding with New Delhi, due to your inferior view of hindus.(please read Strobe Talbott’s democracy, diplomacy and the bomb and Condoleeza Rice’s No Higher Honour to get an understanding of how your leaders bend over in front of goras!)
3) We(India) have over the years negotiated in good faith, from Lal bahadur Shastri in Tashkent, Indira Gandhi in Shimla, Vajpayee ji in Lahore and Agra and Manmohan Singh in Thimpu , Ajmer and Sharmal sheikh. Any one who negotiates with India is killed or exiled like Gen Zia ul Haq was negotiating over Siachin and he was sent a mango crate. Mian Saheb was negotiating with us after Kargil and he was sent to Saudia, Gen Musharaff started negotiated with us and he was sent out to London. Late Benazir Bhutto negotiated and she was exiled to London and Dubai. We know there is no one in pakistan to negotiate, even if some good meaning but intellectually retarded candle kissers in Attari want to negotiate!
4) Lets briefly talk about Kashmir. Kashmir also had pundits and Buddhists who were systematically driven away from the valley. What about justice for them? There have been 4 wars and many of our heroes have died protecting our land. Do you think a democratic leader will go against his own people?

5) I know a lot of Pakistani journalists and media harp about muslim deaths in India, but remain completely silent when sunni- shia clashes occur in Pakistan, mohajirs and ahmediyas are ill treated in Pakistan and IED explosions happen in Pakistan. This demonstrates that your concern about muslim deaths in India is not genuine and duplicitous.
“Shortsighted leaderships of both the countries has plunged the region into a fearfully dark future where thousands of kilometres of territory could be a hopeless nuclear wasteland”
I can assure you there won’t be a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India. First, India has a well known No First Use policy. For Pakistan to use Nukes, they need to consult with either China or USA or both. If they stop aid and arms, Pakistan will break up. Pakistan is completely dependent on US aid and Chinese Arms. The world will not sit and eat moong dal if Pakistan prepares to use nuclear weapons.. Recently President Obama was asked what was his worst nightmare and from hearsay his reply was apparently “Pakistan”. The rest of the world knows some in Pakistan are happy to use nuclear weapons and so would have put in place several contingency measures.
Pakistani leadership, both civil and military are short sighted, ignorant and bigoted from accounts of people who dealt with them when in power. India’s leadership have over 60 years consistently checkmated Pakistan. In 1971, we handed the biggest defeat in a battlefield and split Pakistan into 2 countries. During Kargil, we proved, you could never start an open war with us ever again. You then resorted to terrorist attacks. With Mumbai 2008, we have put an end to your strategy Please read Shri Jaswant Singh’s autobiography “a call to honour” and you will understand in the end over the next 50- 100 years, Pakistan will re-integrate with India and the vivisection of India in 1947 would have healed. For that my prediction is Pakistan will break into Baluchistan, sidh,Punjab(with Pak Held Kashmir) and Pakhtunkhwa at some stage and then the re-integration will happen.
You may hate me for saying this. But Strategically that is how the cancer of religious ideology based countries will be treated.
The problem for Pakistan is not India, but Islam. From North Africa to Indonesia Muslim lands are poor, illiterate, constantly fight between sunni and shia, corrupt and ruled by tyrants or dictators. There is a proportion of intelligent, articulate and wonder muslims, but in any debate the brute bigots overpower the good ones. There are 2 solutions, either Islam has to reform or the Islamic countries need abandon religion based countries and instigate secularism at the heart of government. Unfortunately, neither is going to happen. So, my best guestimate is Pakistan will eventually break up. When and how, I do not know.

Hope you spend some time considering what I have to say.After that, I am happy to hear from you.

a pragmatic Indian

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Altair » 10 Aug 2012 09:23

Today is a special Jumma for Pakistan. Anyone wishes to wager 10 laddus for a bloody day in the shitisthan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Dipanker » 10 Aug 2012 10:38

CRamS wrote:
Dipanker wrote:
You will need a larger statistical sampling population than the handful of people you talked to before arriving at your grandiose conclusion.
Needless to say I don't see the basis presented in your post to agree with your conclusion.


That is true if you are talking about polling wrt elections. I am talking about the general buzz in the air. I think starting from the top, down to the media lapdogs, there is a conscious decision to not point out the truth about TSP like we do here, and instead divert attention to people's day to day problems, as that resonates instantly. And when they want to, they can create a certain buzz. Witness the alacrity with which almost all and sundry mock Baba Ramdev on the media.You have to witness the words used: fraudster, joker, scam artist etc. Description of Anna is not very flattering either. I also notice McAulite indoctrination in full display. Whenever an elitist wants to refer to an atrocity, its always the Jewish holocaust at the hands of the Nazis in a somber tone, but no mention of several holocausts closer to home, the Bangladesh genocide by TSP generals, the plight of J&K pandits. Even on terrorism, as I said, 26/11 has all but faded away, but 9/11, oh my goodness its "never forget" for our elites. Our media should be demonizing Hafeez Saeed as much as whites do to OBL, instead all I find is our elite media joining in on the Al Queeda and OBL bandwagon as the gold standard for terrorism, not TSP inflicted wounds on India.

Is it any wonder then that not only is MMS not held responsible for the state of affairs with TSP, he is actually cheered on, which then sinks into the minds of the population at large.


MMS popularity in India right now is quite low (Search Engines), I will stop at that as I don't want to dilute the focus of this thread.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 10 Aug 2012 11:08

Generally, TSP does not occupy Indian minds (I am referring to those who live in India) except when a terror attack happens. I am also seeing decreasing anger amongst Indians against TSP. This is true even in Mumbai, which has seen repeated and ghastly attacks directly traceable to TSP. Of course, all this is based on my observations alone as I lack means to conduct a Pew type survey. Today, what is consuming Indian minds is the pathetic economic situation and MMS's popularity (or more precisely, the lack of it) is directly related to that and the scams rather than his peace programme with the Pakis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby member_23629 » 10 Aug 2012 11:11

The nationalism of Arabia, Turkey or Iran is not Islamic, because there is no Islamic nationalism as such

Actually, Islam is nothing but Arab nationalism in disguise.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby partha » 10 Aug 2012 11:14

Ahmedi persecution documentary -

"What they do is they strangle us. When the eyes pop out, they say beat them, they are staring at us" - An Ahmedi.

"Qadianis insult prophet and Islam just to get the FIR filed against them which they take to embassies of Bartania, Canada, US to get visas claiming persecution. It is all their fault. Not ours" - A mullah. {Similar to what Musharraf said regarding Muktharan Mai case. Made out of same fabric.}


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby BhairavP » 10 Aug 2012 11:23

SSridhar wrote:Generally, TSP does not occupy Indian minds (I am referring to those who live in India) except when a terror attack happens. I am also seeing decreasing anger amongst Indians against TSP. This is true even in Mumbai, which has seen repeated and ghastly attacks directly traceable to TSP. Of course, all this is based on my observations alone as I lack means to conduct a Pew type survey. Today, what is consuming Indian minds is the pathetic economic situation and MMS's popularity (or more precisely, the lack of it) is directly related to that and the scams rather than his peace programme with the Pakis.


Sir - anecdotally, the anger against the Pakis is still there here in Mumbai. The only difference being that people, as you rightly point out and as is corroborated by the recent IIP numbers, are more concerned with their daily dal-roti and the price of essentials e.g. vegetables, pulses and fruits. People are spending less, investor confidence is down, all due to the severe economic mismanagement by the worthies in Delhi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Aug 2012 11:37

Part of the reason is on the part of Cinema, Media, education system and Babudom to deliberately hide Paki perifidy which makes us think Paki fake notes, terror attacks and constant chipping away against India don't affect us.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Vikas » 10 Aug 2012 11:38

SSridhar wrote:Generally, TSP does not occupy Indian minds (I am referring to those who live in India) except when a terror attack happens. I am also seeing decreasing anger amongst Indians against TSP. This is true even in Mumbai, which has seen repeated and ghastly attacks directly traceable to TSP. Of course, all this is based on my observations alone as I lack means to conduct a Pew type survey. Today, what is consuming Indian minds is the pathetic economic situation and MMS's popularity (or more precisely, the lack of it) is directly related to that and the scams rather than his peace programme with the Pakis.


SS Sir, we are sick and tired of TSP and would be more than happy if GoI can smash this snake once and for all but "Aur bhi gamm hai zamane mein muhabbat ke sive". We need to put food on the table and don't have the luxury to burn candles outside parliament and come on TV screaming every night. Average Joe in India has absolutely no love lost for TSP. Our anger has so many channels to fill in that we are no longer angry about anything but filled with rage about everything including impotence of GoI and artificial love fest for TSP RAPE.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rajanb » 10 Aug 2012 12:15

:D :D :D

http://tribune.com.pk/story/419897/threat-alerts-terrorists-planning-attack-on-paf-base/

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‘Terrorists planning attack on PAF base’


LAHORE:
The Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is planning attacks on the Pakistan Air Force Base and other military and security establishments in Lahore before Eid, according to intelligence reports received by the Home Department.

The intelligence reports, which have been forwarded to the inspector general of Punjab Police and other officials concerned, stated that at least two TTP teams had made arrangements for attacks in revenge for the killing of Ghaffar Qaiserani alias Saifullah, an alleged TTP leader, in a shootout with the police at Dera Ghazi Khan on August 1.

According to one report, members of the Qari Yasin Group, initially a part of the Harkatul Mujahideen, which started in the Punjab and was later based in Miranshah in North Waziristan, were planning to attack the PAF base and installations near the PAF Market on Ramazan 27 or 28 (August 21 or 22).

Another stated that a team led by Qari Aslam alias Ustad of the Moavia Group, also based in Miranshah, was also planning terrorist attacks towards the end of Ramazan. Their main target was likely to be the PAF base, or other security establishments like the offices of the Inter Service Intelligence (ISI), Military Intelligence (MI), Intelligence Bureau or Counter Terrorism Department. Reconnaissance of the targets has already been done, the report states.
It stated that the plots had been financed by the kidnapping of some doctors from Taunsa Sharif, Dera Ghazi Khan, which had netted Rs2.5 million in ransom, enough to buy a black Honda City car, weapons, explosives and four suicide vests. The car has been rigged with explosives and is being kept at an unknown location in Kabirwala tehsil, Khanewal district, stated the report. The group had also selected targets for assassinations and kidnapping in the Punjab as well, it added.
The intelligence reports stated that the Badami Bagh fruit market blasts on August 1 and an IED blast in an Elite Force vehicle on August 2 were carried out by the TTP in revenge for the killing of Qaiserani. Further retaliatory attacks on public places and government establishments were possible, the reports stated.

Another report revealed a plot to blow up an oil tanker along the route used to supply NATO forces in Afghanistan. It stated that an IED had been found on an oil tanker at Taheemabad on the Layyah-Kot Addu Road, in the jurisdiction of Kot Sultan police station, on August 7. The driver noticed the device placed above the tyres and alerted local authorities. Police and civil defence officials defused the device before it exploded

The reports have been forwarded to the capital city police officer and the provincial heads of the intelligence agencies. A circular issued by the Home Department to law enforcement agencies reads:

“Security arrangements at establishments of LEAs [law enforcement agencies] and vulnerable public places need to be beefed up. The present situation warrants close coordination among all the intelligence agencies for sharing information and helping in nabbing the terrorists before they succeed in their nefarious designs. It is required that preventive measures be adopted.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rajdeep » 10 Aug 2012 12:40

Militant Reaffirms Role of Pakistan in Mumbai Attacks
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/09/militant_reaffirms_role_of_pakistan_in_mumbai_attacks

U.S. and Indian officials say weeks of interrogating Zabiuddin Ansari yielded new evidence that Pakistani intelligence officers helped plan and direct the 2008 terror onslaught that cost six Americans and 160 others their lives. what! no joos ? doesnt complete the YYY triad :((


Now, after weeks of interrogation, Ansari's statements to Indian police have reinforced evidence of the ISI's role in a terror plot that targeted Americans at the same time Pakistan was receiving billions of dollars in U.S. aid, officials have told ProPublica. Previous disclosures in U.S. and Indian courts about the spy agency's links to the Mumbai attacks, which killed six Americans, contributed to a dramatic decline in U.S.-Pakistani relations over the past two and a half years.

Based largely on Headley's testimony, U.S. prosecutors charged Major Iqbal with the murders of the Americans in Mumbai - an unprecedented indictment of a serving ISI officer. Pakistan has not arrested him or even acknowledged his existence.

"The Pakistanis at a high level tried to bring out evidence that he was in reality Pakistani," the Indian official said. "They created a family history and everything. But we had a DNA sample and other evidence."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 10 Aug 2012 13:16

TTP asks clerics to issue fatwa - DT
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The banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has purportedly written a letter to senior clerics of the country seeking an edict against democratic system and security forces, and explaining why the TTP had rebelled against the state.

A copy of the letter was obtained by the Daily Times on Thursday. “Please go through this letter and help the Muslims know the Taliban stance,” read the six-page letter in Urdu, sent by TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan.

Senior security officials described the letter as part of “the propaganda tools” of the TTP, saying the group would not gain much from it.

The letter asked how the members of parliament of the country could be called Muslims if they had failed to legislate for enforcement of Shariah.

The letter appealed to the sentiments of clerics by mentioning how the army was killing the “mujahideen” who, it said, were fighting for enforcement of God’s law in Pakistan.

However, it did not explain what steps the TTP had taken to enforce Shariah in the Tribal Areas where it held the ground.

The letter did not mention when it was written and delivered to the clerics. It was also not clear if it was sent to clerics from all sects.

“Do you know how many mujahideen were killed or arrested?” the letter asked the clerics. It informed them that thousands of “mujahideen” had been killed in army-led operations. The TTP letter also complained about the clerics who were “silent” {Threat to clerics that TTP would not spare them too. The Taliban are true kharrajis. AoA} when the government was publicly acknowledging being a “front-line ally of America and NATO”. It, however, admitted that the TTP had “provided shelter” to Uzbek, Arab, Chechen and other militants after the US-led bombings ousted the government of Mullah Muhammad Omar in late 2001 in Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby RajeshA » 10 Aug 2012 13:41


Now where is that fatwa? It seems these clerics are also taking money from Amreeka, otherwise why the hesitation! TTP should give them one more week's ultimatum and then put a tie on them, as the Colombians say!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby AbhiJ » 10 Aug 2012 14:28

SSridhar wrote:Generally, TSP does not occupy Indian minds (I am referring to those who live in India) except when a terror attack happens. I am also seeing decreasing anger amongst Indians against TSP. This is true even in Mumbai, which has seen repeated and ghastly attacks directly traceable to TSP. Of course, all this is based on my observations alone as I lack means to conduct a Pew type survey. Today, what is consuming Indian minds is the pathetic economic situation and MMS's popularity (or more precisely, the lack of it) is directly related to that and the scams rather than his peace programme with the Pakis.


In Mumbai, People have Ubber Hate for Pakis and White Man Equally.

Infact I find Bombay to be the Most Dharmic City where Abrahamics, Socialists, JNU Ding Dongs, Communists get their Pichwada Kicked unlike the capital which takes pride in Islamicness!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby sum » 10 Aug 2012 16:23

Secularism in full display by our long lost brothers, the Pakjabi Poaks:
Pak Hindus stopped at Wagah border after reports of exodus

Immigration authorities on Friday stopped 130 Pakistani Hindus from crossing over to India [ Images ] at the Wagah land border following a controversy over reports of an exodus of the minority community from the Sindh province.

The Hindus were told by immigration officials that they could not cross the border despite having valid visas as they did not have "security clearance," sources told PTI.

The immigration authorities had reportedly received directions from the interior ministry not to let any Hindu go to India even for pilgrimage, the sources said.

The Hindu families reached Wagah at 8 am but most of them were not given clearance to cross the border till noon. Only two families from Karachi that had "no objection certificates" were allowed to cross over to India, the sources said.

However, Federal Investigation Agency official Waqar Haider told PTI in Lahore [ Images ] that his organisation was not stopping anyone possessing valid travel documents from going to India.


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