Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rahul M » 18 Aug 2012 10:20

Derek O'brien writes on the O'briens who chose to stay in pakistan.
http://quizderek.blogspot.com/2012/08/t ... l?spref=fb

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Prem » 18 Aug 2012 10:33

http://dawn.com/2012/08/18/ajmer-shrine ... y-zardari/

Ajmer shrine receives one million Nakli dollars pledged by Zardari

NEW DELHI: Pakistan’s High Commissioner Salman Bashir, on behalf of President Asif Ali Zardari, the Government and people of Pakistan, on Friday presented a cheque of one million dollars as donation for ‘Dargah’ Ajmer Sharif.The donation was announced by President Zardari during his visit to Dargah Khawaja Moinuddin Chishty at Ajmer in April this year.The donation will be utilized for the development and welfare projects, upkeep and maintenance of the shrine and provision of services for the pilgrims by duly established committees and ‘Anjumans’Besides members of the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi, the collector Ajmer and senior officials of Ajmer Administration attended the presentation ceremony.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Pratyush » 18 Aug 2012 10:35

^^^

What happens if the cheque bounces??

Can Zarda be prosecuted for that. Moreover, is Ajmer a Halal place to visit for a pure lander? Considering the shrine can be construed as a type of Idol.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Lilo » 18 Aug 2012 10:50

^^ Yes its is a clearcut case of Shirk. Data durbar blast in 2010 has put things in black and white on that front.
Zardari has been in Wajib-ul-Qatal status for a long time - so i guess it doesnt make much difference.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby ramana » 18 Aug 2012 11:29

We havent heard much lately about Mohd Azhar and his JeM outfit. Whats the scoop?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby chiragAS » 18 Aug 2012 11:51

Brad Goodman wrote:This ramadan its raining miracles all over paki lands :mrgreen:

Pakistan varsities make miraculous achievement

The expected output of research in Pakistan is moving up 16 notches, which is the second highest increase worldwide, primarily due to the innovative higher education policies and reforms taking place in Pakistan under the Higher Education Commission (HEC). In addition to quality reforms, there has been a strong resurgence of research and innovation. It is also due to this new flourishing research culture at the higher education institutions that the number of international research publications with impact factor has increased drastically by a factor of eight in the last 10 years! While 816 impact factor papers were published in 2002, it has now increased to over 6,300 in 2011, with the largest number of publications on economic development.

As a result of this phenomenal increase in research publications, the world share of Pakistan’s research has gone up by 300 percent in the last five years. In other words, Pakistan is taking back what it had lost out to the world in earlier years.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby kish » 18 Aug 2012 15:05

US drone kills six militants in Pakistan

The attack came as people in the deeply religious region were celebrating the Muslim festival of Eid al-Fitr. It was the third drone attack since the start of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan


Celebrating EID with a lot of fireworks. May the celebration continue.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 18 Aug 2012 17:44

Whither Pakistan ?
Rape lamenting over paki non performance in olympics

One yearned to see a Pakistani athlete competing, let alone winning (the exception being the men’s hockey team – which still plays at a high level of competition) – but alas, there were none.

That brings us to the facade of seeing platitudes being showered on hoaxes being perpetrated – such as cars being run on water, special sugar treating diabetes etc. and one starts wondering if Pakistanis have become zombies living in a world of fantasy and make-belief, as the multitudes goes through the agony of distressing load-shedding, double-digit inflation and the mesmerizing round of political charade enacted on prime-time TV throughout the year.


now taqqiya starts with fake glory in imaginary past
Going back a few years, Pakistan was seen as a place where tourists used to come in droves to enjoy the immense beauty and grandeur of our mountains in the North, the serene and clean beaches of Karachi, the different blends of cuisine and food- and the cultural diversity of our people coupled with their traditional hospitality.


Pakistan was seen by entrepreneurs as a land where the potential to invest was immense given our vast natural resources and the high caliber of our workmen. I have heard foreigners saying in awe that if we give an educated Pakistani youth only six-months on-the-job technical training, he will be better than others who are sent on a dozen structured training courses.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

He still is. Look at the soosai vests training the received in 80's and how they have perfected it. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Going back to sports, not very long ago, we were World Champions in four sports all at once, Cricket, Hockey, Squash and Snooker. Now, we don’t have international sports anymore in the country, but get international headlines for all the bad things associated with sports, such as match-fixing, corruption, political infights etc.

well nothing new here pakis did match fixing from dawn of time Imran Khan of PTI and Javed Miandad of D Company are all infamous for betting & fixing



But, as I said everything is not bad. The land with its enormous natural resources is still there. The 180 million inhabitants of this land of the pure, still display an infinitesimal worth of resilience in face of unprecedented misery and adversity, and the [b]intellectual caliber of our people still outshine any others[/b].


I agree with this since I saw the Kamra spectacle. I pray we get more such talented pakis working on glory of islamic chaliphate

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 18 Aug 2012 17:55

eid celebrations in karachi
Pillion riding banned in Karachi for Eid days

Karachi: The Sindh government has once again imposed a ban on pillion riding of motorcycle in Karachi for three days keeping in view worsening law and order situation in the city.

A notification has been issued in this regard. Syed Waqar Mehdi, spokesman for Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah said the pillion riding has been with immediate effect. Mehdi said the ban was imposed keeping in view Karachi’s law and order situation.

According to the notification, old citizens, women, children and journalists would be exempted from the ban.

The decision to put a ban on pillion riding comes as gun men killed at least 14 people. 10 of them within the short time of three hours, in different parts of the city on Friday night.

The latest killings are attributed to sectarian killings.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby RajeshA » 18 Aug 2012 19:38

Deans wrote:The original article (from which the link is an extract), goes on to say that by 2018, Iran will rise to 4th position in no of papers while
the land of the Pure will just about make it to the top 30 :lol: (they probably refer to Islamic countries only)


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Dipanker » 18 Aug 2012 23:02

When will these Neanderthals come out of 7th century?

11-year-old christian girl arrested in Pakistan on charges of blasphemy

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby partha » 19 Aug 2012 00:44

Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423864/in-praise-of-zia/

This past week marked two anniversaries, that of Pakistan’s birth and that of President Ziaul Haq’s death.

Zia is a strange figure. Reading about him in Pakistan’s English press one would think that he is hated by most Pakistanis. Daily Times, in its editorial of August 15 said: “So-called Islamisation, starting from Zia’s era, has reduced the state and society to being entrapped by religious intolerance and lack of direction.”

This is typical and Zia tends to pick up the blame for conditions in Pakistan’s society.

But the fact is that the Hudood laws remain on the books. Pakistan Studies and Islamiat also remain in textbooks.

Why? The answer is that Ziaul Haq gave Pakistan what it wanted
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Liaquat Ali Khan and the Muslim League gifted Pakistan the Objectives Resolution, committing to align law with Sharia. Ayub Khan wrote the law restricting non-Muslims from becoming president. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto stopped non-Muslims from becoming prime minister. His law on Ahmadis need not be referred to other than to remind readers that it was both democratic and unanimous. All elected and unelected Pakistani leaders have generally moved in the direction that Zia also did. But he did it less hypocritically than others.


So he is telling the Paki liberals that the leaders they hold dear to their hearts whom they project as liberal and progressive were actually hypocrites :lol:

Zia may be disliked by English editorial writers but 10 lakh people came to Zia’s funeral, wrote his deputy, General Khalid Mahmud Arif, showing his popularity.


He makes a very interesting comparison between Aurangazeb and Zia.


Zia reminds me of Aurangzeb. Zia had his rival Bhutto executed judicially for the murder of a complainant’s father, exactly like Aurangzeb did away with Murad Baksh.

The slogan for the emperor was “Alamgir, zinda pir“. Zia was “mard-e-momin, mard-e-haq“.

Both men had a false modesty, made much of being reluctant to wield power (see Aurangzeb’s letters to Shah Jahan), and had a general dislike of Shias. Newsweek in its obituary said Zia was “incorruptible”. Another similarity.

His court chronicler Saqi Must’ad Khan said Aurangzeb’s bedtime reading was Imam Ghazali. Zia read Maudoodi and not much else. General Arif says Zia “could not get down to reading bureaucratic situation reports and files”.

The big similarity is of course the laws they introduced. Jaziya, the penalty for being born Hindu, went after Aurangzeb died because the Syed brothers of Barha were not bigots. The laws of Zia will remain longer.



What Mr Patel is telling Paki liberals is that since the Zia laws are still in effect and will remain so for a long time, the people of Pakistan which includes liberals and the leaders are basically bigots :lol:


Fundamentalists have their softer side. Aurangzeb liked quality chinaware. He liked woodwind instruments played with the pakhavaj more than vocal music. But because the former was haram, he gave up listening to all music entirely.

Zia was fond of Bollywood movies and Hindi music, and played squash, tennis and billiards.

The words ‘silent majority’ are often used when Pakistanis writing in English refer to Zia’s laws or their fallout, such as the shooting of Salmaan Taseer.

The truth is that the laws that remain on the book unchanged through dictatorial and democratic governments are there because they are popular.

There is no silent majority in Pakistan, only a minority that doesn’t grasp reality.

The Quaid-e-Azam and Ziaul Haq were two leaders who knew what Muslims wanted and gave it to them.


Is he saying Muslims of Pakistan wanted bigotry, intolerance, oppression on minorities etc etc ? :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Prem » 19 Aug 2012 01:21

partha wrote:[bThe Quaid-e-Azam and Ziaul Haq were two leaders who knew what Muslims wanted and gave it to them.

Is he saying Muslims of Pakistan wanted bigotry, intolerance, oppression on minorities etc etc ? :rotfl:[/quote]

Another Dhimmi worm have opend his eyes to see the real nature of Rope and Rapers, first being Y Shikand. Jinnah delievered the state/ Bride and Zia delievered the religion/baby . The faults, shortcomings, inhumanity , absurdities, buffonnery and daily stupidities being criticised are not to blamed on simple Pakistani people but of the religious Dogma. They call this enemy but this is their own real self.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Prem » 19 Aug 2012 03:05

bloody’ Punjab partition

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\08\19\story_19-8-2012_pg3_5

March 22, 1940 at the Muslim League session in Lahore as the key speech, which became the leitmotif of Jinnah’s subsequent reiteration of the underlying logic on which the Two Nation Theory was premised. Thus, for example, Jinnah said: ‘To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state’ (Speeches and Statements of Mr Jinnah, Volume I, Sh Muhammad Ashraf, Lahore, page 169).
From that day onwards, at no stage did he deviate from his assertions that Hindus and Muslims were two separate and irreconcilable nations. And that nations can be founded only on the basis of religion; nations are entitled to separate statehood and sovereignty; that Islam would be in danger under Congress Raj; and since Muslims were in a majority in the north-eastern and north-western zones of the subcontinent, two (later one) separate, independent states must be created to solve the communal problem in India.
According to him, Hinduism was inimical to democracy and Congress was a Hindu political party even though from its inception in 1885 its ideology, programme and manifestos were inclusive and secular. In fact, until 1909, Muslim participation in the Congress was quite significant. However, the system of separate electorates introduced for Muslims in 1909 effectively separated Muslims from other communities of India. Henceforth, they had to organise and mobilise as a separate communal group to make claims on representation in various councils and legislatures as well as for making claims to job quotas.
Nevertheless, the Nehru Report of 1928 made an explicit commitment to the following main features of a free India: one, that there shall be no state religion; two, men and women shall have equal rights as citizens; three, that there should be a federal form of government with residuary powers vested in the centre.
After Jinnah adopted the Two Nation Theory, he began to say that those Muslims who were still Congress members were either naïve or traitors to the Muslim community. These Muslims were anti-imperialists. I found out to my great surprise that in the pre-partition Punjab, anti-colonial Muslims were with the Punjab Congress. Some anti-colonial Muslims were also with minor parties such as the Communist Party, the Majlis-e-Ahrar and the Khaksar Tehrik.
Now, the fact that any division of India would inevitably entail substantial minorities being left behind in the ‘wrong’ states was something Jinnah had to reckon with. He asserted that Islam was the embodiment of democracy and Muslims had ‘democracy in their blood’. Jinnah further argued that Islamic history was testimony to the glorious treatment of minorities, and advised the Sikhs to support Pakistan.
The Khalsa Sikhs founded by the last guru, Guru Gobind Singh, who constitute the overwhelming majority of the Sikh community, did not have such a benign opinion about Muslim rule, however. The persecution of Guru Gobind Singh, his children and his devoted followers by the Mughals, is a theme that figures in their daily prayers. In many gurdwaras, paintings of the beheading of their spiritual leaders on the orders of Muslim rulers are displayed. The daily ardaas (prayer) also includes the battle chant ‘Raj kare ga Khalsa, aakee rahe na koi’ (Pious and pure Sikhs shall rule, and their enemies will be no more’). Conflict between the Sikhs and the Mughals started from the sixth Guru onwards. The first five Gurus were treated well and even rewarded with land grants and other favours by the Mughals.
Persecution of Muslims at the hands of Sikhs also has a bloody history, especially when Banda Bahadur (1670-1716), seeking revenge for the ill treatment of Guru Gobind Singh and his family, unleashed terror against innocent Muslims all over Punjab. On the other hand, after Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1799-1839) defeated the Afghan governor of Lahore and consolidated his power, he provided the most tolerant and benevolent rule. His Muslim subjects were beneficiaries of his favours as much as Hindus and Sikhs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Mihaylo » 19 Aug 2012 03:41

Dipanker wrote:When will these Neanderthals come out of 7th century?

11-year-old christian girl arrested in Pakistan on charges of blasphemy


Everything will be forgiven if she allows a muslim to rape her in the name of Allah and religion. And oh, marriage is invovled just like their esteemed Allah's lasht paighambhar


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby anupmisra » 19 Aug 2012 05:03

And time now to indulge in the favorite game that pakis enjoy during this auspicious season - disagreeing on the sighting of the moon.

Moon not sighted, Eid on Monday
KP government announces Eid on Sunday

The west must donate a geo-synchronous satellite to the pakis to help resolve this annual issue. Why? Because the basic $20 Wal Mart telescope no longer does justice to the scientific bendt of mind the pakis possess.

Here's their leading scientist Mufti Munib-ur-Rehman trying to peer through his neighbor's daughter's bedroom window and pretending its the moon. She did not oblige and hence, the moon was not sighted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Anujan » 19 Aug 2012 06:07

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423802/police-remove-quranic-verses-from-ahmadi-graves-to-avert-clashes/
A heavy police contingent on Friday, on the demand of a banned organisation :roll: , removed Quranic verses and religious texts written on tombstones of Ahmadi graves to save the area from clashes on religious grounds.

Calling it a positive achievement, the SHO claimed that no case had been filed against the act as it was meant to save the locality from clashes. :shock:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Anujan » 19 Aug 2012 06:17

partha wrote:Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423864/in-praise-of-zia/



Timely article. Most articles which claim "The islamization introduced by Zia....." cannot pass the idiot test. If Zia introduced something alien to Pakistan why didnt successive governments of Benazir, Nawaz, Musharraf and Zardari reverse any of it? The truth is simpler. He just gave Pakistan what Pakistan's abduls wanted. It might be inconvenient to RAPEs in Pakistan worrying about Pakistan's image, but not to 99.999% of Pakistan's population.

BTW my fourth cousin wrote along similar lines.
http://inconsequentialinthebigscheme.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/14-august-2012-0228/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Cosmo_R » 19 Aug 2012 06:19

partha wrote:Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!....


But it is we who have a road named after Aurangzeb in Delhi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Dipanker » 19 Aug 2012 06:26

Cosmo_R wrote:
partha wrote:Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!....


But it is we who have a road named after Aurangzeb in Delhi.


You mean to say we have't changed it so some sanskritized version unlike the Paki who have been replacing the hindu/Indian names of the place in Paki-satan with Arabic names.

We are a secular country.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby partha » 19 Aug 2012 06:33

Anujan wrote:
partha wrote:Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423864/in-praise-of-zia/



Timely article. Most articles which claim "The islamization introduced by Zia....." cannot pass the idiot test.

One guy even invoked Zia while analyzing Pakistan's zero medals in the recent Olympics as if before Zia they were winning 10 golds.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Kati » 19 Aug 2012 06:49

Good news comes in small packages......

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/18/world/asi ... hpt=ias_c2

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Anantha » 19 Aug 2012 07:18

Cosmo_R wrote:
partha wrote:Aakar Patel comes up with this gem of an article!....


But it is we who have a road named after Aurangzeb in Delhi.


I gone thru that road three times, each time I spit near that board before proceeding. I wish all Indians make up their minds and do this when they go thru that street.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Anantha » 19 Aug 2012 07:20

Kati wrote:Good news comes in small packages......

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/18/world/asi ... hpt=ias_c2


Yes, let no one have ambiguity on this. Paki soldiers need to be hallaled and when pure pakis do this act it is more satisfying.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby RCase » 19 Aug 2012 08:11

Tarrel fliend to get mango crates shipped
:roll:

“It took us a while before we got clearance from Beijing,” Durrani said. The containers were held at the port and 20 cartons each were taken from both the containers for inspection, he said. After a week-long process, the Quarantine Department cleared the shipment by declaring that the mangoes were free from all diseases.

The delegation will also visit the hot water treatment (HWT) plant. They will inspect the arrangements for quality control.


Free from disease? Did the tarrel fliends check for the Islamic virus? Is it hot water treatment or code for heavy water?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby stryker » 19 Aug 2012 08:22

Cosmo, Anantha, with you totally. I have been on that road hundreds if not thousands of times. It is revolting to know that a road is named after a man who could plunge a sword into you if you were Hindu and had special taxes levied on Hindus. By the way, several Pakis have told me that he was the greatest Mughal emperor!! This is the intolerance and f***ing bullshit they are taught in that shithouse of a country.

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Postby arun » 19 Aug 2012 10:38

The Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan brings forth yet more Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Suspected retaliatory strikes by members of the minority Shia sect of Mohammaddenism targeting their co-religionists of the majority Sunni sect kills 11 in Karachi:

Karachi unrest: 11 killed in wave of sectarian violence

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rajanb » 19 Aug 2012 10:49

^^^^
Tch tch. Madrassa staff being killed. Is this going to see the decline of Pakistan's much vaunted madrassa math?

I wonder what will happen on Monday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Raja Bose » 19 Aug 2012 10:50

Brad Goodman wrote:
But, as I said everything is not bad. The land with its enormous natural resources is still there. The 180 million inhabitants of this land of the pure, still display an infinitesimal worth of resilience in face of unprecedented misery and adversity, and the [b]intellectual caliber of our people still outshine any others[/b].



infinitesimal means infinitely small - I wonder if the author meant that :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 19 Aug 2012 11:09

Neela wrote:End of Ramadan looms.
I wonder what this holds for Ahmedis. The same?

No, more of the same

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Postby partha » 19 Aug 2012 12:56

Trust Pakis to come up with news issues.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423856/the- ... ter-issue/

In the past few years, data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) shows groundwater in North India has been disappearing. The northern states of Punjab, Rajasthan and Haryana have all the ingredients of groundwater exploitation: staggering population growth, rapid economic development and water-hungry farms which, because of subsidised tube well tariffs, account for about 95 per cent of groundwater use in the region.

A time-lapse video of groundwater resources in north India taken by the GRACE satellite shows the changes in groundwater levels across the border in Pakistan, raising the question of whether or not groundwater use on one side of the border is affecting the groundwater on the other.


It is either US, India or Israel always that is causing problems to Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby member_23629 » 19 Aug 2012 13:28

arun wrote:The Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan brings forth yet more Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Suspected retaliatory strikes by members of the minority Shia sect of Mohammaddenism targeting their co-religionists of the majority Sunni sect kills 11 in Karachi:

Karachi unrest: 11 killed in wave of sectarian violence


It is time to creat a Shia Commando Force in Pakistan and provide it with all the necessary equipment so that more and more Sunnis can be sent to their 72 houris. I am surprised by the disinterest of Indian government in exploiting terrible faultines inside Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby SSridhar » 19 Aug 2012 13:55

varunkumar wrote:It is time to creat a Shia Commando Force in Pakistan and provide it with all the necessary equipment so that more and more Sunnis can be sent to their 72 houris.

Varun Kumar, there have been a couple, one of which, Tariq-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh-e-Jaafaaria (TNFJ), was established as far back as 1983. Mukhtar Force is a part of TNFJ created ostensibly to protect violently the Shi'a places of worship. They have given a lot of bloody nose to the Sunni terrorist organizations. The first chief of TNFJ was a Turi Shia of Parachinar, Allama Ariful Hussaini. Allama Hussaini was murdered in Peshawar in Aug 1988 widely believed to be by the ISI under Zia's order. A serving army officer, Majid Raza Gillani, had participated in this “operation.” Gen. Zia was killed within a fortnight in an air-crash (I am not saying that the Shi'as did it. Just stating facts) The then NWFP Governor Lt. Gen. Fazle Haq was also killed in 1991 as he was suspected of complicity in the murder of Allama Hussaini. The LeJ chief, Maulana Azam Tariq was assassinated by the Shi'as in 2003.
I am surprised by the disinterest of Indian government in exploiting terrible faultines inside Pakistan.
We leave the arming of these Shi'a groups to Iran which has a bigger stake than us. But, seriously, this is a wise move and we do not want to be involved in sectarian outfits and their backlash within our fragile system.

Overall, however, India is not interested in aggravating the already existing faultlines within Pakistan. We are on a Chanakyan approach to resolving the Pakistani problem. We are concentrating on maintaining an excellent GDP growth year-after-year so that Pakistan becomes inconsequential in next 3 decades. Till that time, we have to bear with Pakistani terror, perfidy and aggressive behaviour. Besides, we do not want a fragmented Pakistan around our western border. We want a strong, friendly and secular Pakistan for which we are willing to give our right arm and left leg. We realize that Pakistani behaviour flows from its insecurity because of a large & powerful India irreconciled to its creation, as its neighbour. We will do everything to redress these misgivings, including withdrawing from Siachen and making it a Peace Park. After all, the Pakistanis are our long lost brothers & sisters and as a larger brother, we have a responsibility too.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby rajanb » 19 Aug 2012 14:02

WAKE UP NEWS FROM YAWN.COM
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MIRAMSHAH: Pakistani intelligence officials say missiles fired from unmanned American spy planes have hit two vehicles near the Afghan border, killing at least seven militants. :mrgreen:

Three intelligence officials said the strike on Sunday came in the Mana area of North Waziristan.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media.

The officials say the area is dominated by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a commander whose forces often target US troops in Afghanistan, but they did not know whether his men were targeted.

It was the second missile attack in hours in Shawal district of North Waziristan region, considered a bastion of Taliban and al Qaeda-linked militants.

The first strike which targeted a compound had killed at least six militants in Shuwedar village in Shawal district on Saturday.

Pakistan had strongly protested the US drone attacks in North Waziristan on Saturday morning.

It was the fourth drone attack since the start of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan and the second since Pakistan’s spymaster, Lieutenant General Zaheer ul-Islam, visited Washington earlier this month.

Islam’s talks with his CIA counterpart were also said to have focused on drone strikes.

Attacks by unmanned American aircraft are deeply unpopular in Pakistan, which says they violate its sovereignty and fan anti-US sentiment, but US officials are said to believe the attacks are too important to give up.

The latest attacks were in the same region where a drone strike on June 4 killed 15 militants, including senior al-Qaeda figure Abu Yahya al-Libi.

In protest at US drone attacks, local Taliban and Pakistani warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur have banned vaccinations in North and South Waziristan, putting 240,000 children in the region at risk. :shock: His version of chemical WMDs?

They have condemned the immunisation campaign as a cover for espionage. In May, a Pakistani doctor was jailed for 33 years after helping the CIA find Osama bin Laden using a hepatitis vaccination programme as cover.

Washington considers Pakistan’s semi-autonomous northwestern tribal belt the main hub of Taliban and al-Qaeda militants plotting attacks on the West and in Afghanistan.

The al-Qaeda-linked Haqqani network in North Waziristan, blamed for some of the deadliest attacks in Afghanistan, is one of the thorniest issues between Islamabad and Washington.

Washington has long demanded that Pakistan take action against the Haqqanis, whom the United States accused of attacking the US embassy in Kabul last September and acting like a “veritable arm” of Pakistani intelligence.

Pakistan has in turn demanded that Afghan and US forces do more to stop Pakistani Taliban crossing the Afghan border to relaunch attacks on its forces.

There has been a dramatic increase in US drone strikes in Pakistan since May, when a Nato summit in Chicago could not strike a deal to end a six-month blockade on convoys transporting supplies to coalition forces in Afghanistan.

On July 3 however, Islamabad agreed to end the blockade after the United States apologised :rotfl: for the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in botched air strikes last November.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby shiv » 19 Aug 2012 14:42

SSridhar wrote:Overall, however, India is not interested in aggravating the already existing faultlines within Pakistan. We are on a Chanakyan approach to resolving the Pakistani problem. We are concentrating on maintaining an excellent GDP growth year-after-year so that Pakistan becomes inconsequential in next 3 decades. Till that time, we have to bear with Pakistani terror, perfidy and aggressive behaviour. Besides, we do not want a fragmented Pakistan around our western border. We want a strong, friendly and secular Pakistan for which we are willing to give our right arm and left leg. We realize that Pakistani behaviour flows from its insecurity because of a large & powerful India irreconciled to its creation, as its neighbour. We will do everything to redress these misgivings, including withdrawing from Siachen and making it a Peace Park. After all, the Pakistanis are our long lost brothers & sisters and as a larger brother, we have a responsibility too.


True. In addition I believe that all political hues realise that we have too many internal faultlines/traitors which lead to any action by India being declared as bad for someone or the other. Bad for Hindus. Bad for Muslims. Bad for minorities. Bad for human rights. Bad for security. Bad for environment. Bad for the economy etc. Taking no action against Pakistan and absorbing hits from shitland has the salutary effect of not waking up or favoring some group of whiners while continuing to show Pakistan up as the party causing aggravation. In all other cases even Indians are ready and waiting to call India the guilty party. Those mouths remain tightly shut as long as India keeps swallowing terrorism from Pakistan. Hence do nothing. Hear no evil. See no evil. Speak no evil.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rajdeep » 19 Aug 2012 16:55

Why it is tough to trust the ISI
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/why-it-is-tough-to-trust-the-isi/20120814.htm
The initiative for these sporadic interactions, which were held at the height of the Khalistan terrorist movement, came from the then crown prince of Jordan, who was a good friend of Rajiv Gandhi and General Zia-ul Haq, then in power in Pakistan.
India was making serious allegations, in private and public, regarding ISI assistance to the Khalistani terrorists. The Jordanian crown prince reportedly felt that it would be better to discuss such allegations in deniable meetings between the chiefs of the two agencies instead of voicing them in public.
These three interactions did not have any impact on the ISI's support for the Khalistan terrorist movement, which continued to be as strong as ever.


One understands that from time to time the US continues to float suggestions for a revival of the liaison interactions to reduce the hostility and suspicions between the intelligence communities of India and Pakistan.
There were reports of such ideas being floated around after the ISI-backed jihadi attack on the Indian Parliament in December 2001 and after the ISI-backed terrorist strikes by the Lashkar-e-Tayiba in Mumbai in November 2008.
These ideas probably remained a non-starter due to lack of enthusiasm from Islamabad as well as New Delhi.
One finds it difficult to understand why the US should revive these ideas now when there is a serious trust deficit between the intelligence communities of the US and Pakistan.
Over 60 years of an intense, formal liaision relationship between the ISI and the CIA did not come in the way of the ISI stabbing the CIA in the back by giving clandestine shelter to Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad.
The shelter given to bin Laden demonstrated clearly the ISI's perfidious mindset, whether towards friends or foes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Rajdeep » 19 Aug 2012 17:17

Trailer for a movie based on OBL raid in Pakistan. Conveniently releasing around Dec 2012 for ombaba. But will again help in reminding joe the plumber of pak perfidy :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby Chandragupta » 19 Aug 2012 17:46

Annapurna Pictures, a production house in LA is involved in the movie. Chankian yindoos onlee, will cause much takleef to Pakis..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Postby arun » 19 Aug 2012 17:48

Nadira Naipaul, wife of Nobel laureate Vidiadhar Surajprasad Naipaul, on some of the more disagreeable aspects of Mohammadden cultural practices that have been imported into the UK by those who like her originated in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

'I can still see the horror that made me flee Pakistan - in the haunted eyes of girls raised HERE': Nadira Naipaul exposes arranged marriages and honour killings in the UK


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