Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Speaking about that report of the drones "terrorizing pakistani civilians", turns out there seems to be some propagandu going on here:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_2
For an academic cross-sectional study conducted over nine months, the principal authors, Professors James Cavallaro and Sarah Knuckey and the Clinical Lecturer Stephan Sonnenberg, leave much to be desired. For starters, the study was commissioned not by any independent agency but the UK-based group Reprieve of Clive Stafford Smith, which is not only an interested party in the campaign against drones but virtually an ally of the Pakistani political party Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) of Imran Khan that has anti-Americanism as a cornerstone of its politics.
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BBC seems to be Backing Imran Khan against the Uber Khan on this. Wonder why?
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The kids of Imran Khan are growing up in UK. If they could raise IK to power, their kids are future leaders of pak.
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He may be turning 60, but he's still got it: One in five women say they would marry Putin

This is the real reason behind Paki anguish. They were denied the company of TFTA Putin. Industrial development was merely the cover story. Abduls can't resist being guboed.
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Post- Paki-Lankan Semi-finals update:

As expected, after the initial rhona/dhona on losing the semi-final T-20 match against the SDRE lankans (chhote kadd key), the pakis have concluded that the match was:

FIXED.

Since "Kanjpiracee" is their middle name, the pakis view the changing of the gloves as the turning point. After all, the purelanders can never lose because allah is always wishing for them (to win, of course). (BTW, the video is 36 minutes but worth the watch; entertaining, to say the least)
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Anujan wrote: ...

In Pakiland on the other hand, they dont even know that they are lying. It is because everyone lies all the time so pervasively that lying has become the norm and the natural form of communication. That is the reason why Indians have such a hard time negotiating with Pakistanis. It is not that Pakistanis lie purposely, it is just that they are incapable of saying anything else!

...

Nobody knows what is true because nobody has heard any kind of truth in their life!

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You don't understand because you are an obsequious bania with bad english involved in reliably delivering products and services for money. They are not lying, they are only keeping up the kabila state and practising to camouflaging reality so that they can swoop down like the proud shaheen and take their rightful spoils from toiling banias like you at their convenience.

Deception is natural to the warrior.
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Indeed, as I said many times, nothing is sacrosanct, the law is not worth the piece of paper, one must always predict US actions based on what its imperialist interests are. From the report, this caught my attention

The State Department said the decision was being made “consistent with U.S. national security interests.” However, the rationale for the decision has been classified.
Well, CRamS is telling you now, but the world will know for sure many years henceforth based on "recently released documents" by some Pulitzer prize winning journalist with the NYT or WP that the reason was, and you guessed it: TSP was on a downward spiral to disintegration, and there is was the imminent danger that cow-worshiping SDRE "Hindoos" next door could be irreversibly ascendant without firing a shot, and Pakijabi munnas will loose their ability to thwart this ascendancy, and such an outcome was surely not in U.S. national security interests at that time, and hence Hilary Clinton waived the law.
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Anujan wrote:There is a pisko reason for all this "Thing is going to happen", "Thing is delayed", "Thing is never going to happen, former 2 statements were a lie" thing in Pakiland.

In Pakiland on the other hand, they dont even know that they are lying. It is because everyone lies all the time so pervasively that lying has become the norm and the natural form of communication. That is the reason why Indians have such a hard time negotiating with Pakistanis. It is not that Pakistanis lie purposely, it is just that they are incapable of saying anything else!
Well said. I think it is on purpose - 'liberals' lie until the other party demonstrates capability/information to call the lie a lie, the less liberal stick to their lies even after that point. The sign of a true Pak 'liberal' is someone who does not lie even when he can't be called on it by his/her unsuspecting interlocuter. Such Pak liberals are very few.

Their 'negotiating' is another case in point. Negotiation is not an act of seeking a win-win solution for all - as long as the other party hasn't lost or been destroyed, a Pakistani negotiating position is strictly temporary. Pakistanis will keep changing their negotiating position as long as the other party is willing to engage with them, up to the point the other party will lose so much that the other party stops negotiating.

At the point the other party has to disengage for sheer survival, the Pakistanis will set up a howl over how they have been deprived of what is their right by negotiation. Pakistanis very neatly mimic Muslim League's pre-independence tactics in this aspect. They follow this 'negotiating till the other side busts' technique internally with each other too which is why so many Pak leaders end up in exile or dead and whole Pak communities/regions are under seige.
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anupmisra wrote:Post- Paki-Lankan Semi-finals update:

As expected, after the initial rhona/dhona on losing the semi-final T-20 match against the SDRE lankans (chhote kadd key), the pakis have concluded that the match was:

FIXED.

.....
I found one scene interesting, I had to listen a few times to make sure I heard the anchor right. His guest on the show is a lady from the Pakistan Women's cricket team. At arround 3.15 he says to her something like 'what is your opinion as a cricketer on how the team played technically, obviously don't expect you to know the technicalities as well as the men understand it'. The RAPES are nothing but taliban in suits and boots.
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CRamS wrote:
Indeed, as I said many times, nothing is sacrosanct, the law is not worth the piece of paper, one must always predict US actions based on what its imperialist interests are. From the report, this caught my attention

The State Department said the decision was being made “consistent with U.S. national security interests.” However, the rationale for the decision has been classified.
Well, CRamS is telling you now, but the world will know for sure many years henceforth based on "recently released documents" by some Pulitzer prize winning journalist with the NYT or WP that the reason was, and you guessed it: TSP was on a downward spiral to disintegration, and there is was the imminent danger that cow-worshiping SDRE "Hindoos" next door could be irreversibly ascendant without firing a shot, and Pakijabi munnas will loose their ability to thwart this ascendancy, and such an outcome was surely not in U.S. national security interests at that time, and hence Hilary Clinton waived the law.
Exactly CRSji,
Question is how to mainstream this realization in Indians. Most of them think that US is on our side helping us deal with pakis.
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CRamS: Ordinarily, and in line of traditional rationale for arming the paki's army, your comments would be right on. However, the US has other priorities now in prep for withdrawal from Afghanistan in '14. This time, it is likely that the paki will be greased for interminable combat in Baluchistan/tribal areas in NWFP. With the paki's army tied up in bits of civil war here and there across their pure land, US draw down from Afghanistan would proceed in relatively greater safety. Just saying.
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CRamS wrote:
Indeed, as I said many times, nothing is sacrosanct, the law is not worth the piece of paper, one must always predict US actions based on what its imperialist interests are. From the report, this caught my attention

The State Department said the decision was being made “consistent with U.S. national security interests.” However, the rationale for the decision has been classified.
Well, CRamS is telling you now, but the world will know for sure many years henceforth based on "recently released documents" by some Pulitzer prize winning journalist with the NYT or WP that the reason was, and you guessed it: TSP was on a downward spiral to disintegration, and there is was the imminent danger that cow-worshiping SDRE "Hindoos" next door could be irreversibly ascendant without firing a shot, and Pakijabi munnas will loose their ability to thwart this ascendancy, and such an outcome was surely not in U.S. national security interests at that time, and hence Hilary Clinton waived the law.
I will be even less surprised if the undisclosed rationale turns out to be an arrangement by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in selling their Mohammadden Ummah Brothers in the Islamic Republic of Iran down the river.
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Education: Leading into Darkness - South Asia Intelligence Review
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...the education sector in Pakistan is immense, broken and resistant to change. -USAID-Pakistan, March 2008

Behind this elaborate smokescreen, however, not only have the madrassahs continued with their subversion of innocent minds, but a deeper and more sinister reality has been, till now, rather successfully concealed: the psalms of hatred are not only taught in some supposedly 'renegade madrassahs', but are an integral component of Pakistan's state administered public educational system. -"Why do they hate us?", April 5, 2004

The deteriorating quality of education in Pakistan is a result of four principal factors: the increase of hate content in school textbooks; the rise of religious schools (madrassas); the increasing militancy targeting Government primary schools in the north western region: and, the perpetual political impasse leading to irregularity in the allocation of resources to education.

The offensive content in educational material in both religious and non-religious schools in Pakistan has been forcing young minds into the fanatical cast of ‘communal unity’ and ‘loyalty’ towards Islam and an Islamist Pakistan. Little of this is new, but years of empty rhetoric have not even begun the processes of any noticeable transformation.

The findings of a report, under the aegis of the training and advocacy organisation, Peace, Education and Development (PEAD), released on April 19, 2012, revealed that the contents of textbooks taught at schools and colleges in the Province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) overemphasised aspects that could undermine social peace and incite violence in society. The report observed that the content of textbooks, particularly in the context of the Afghan jihad, were not consistent with existing socio-political realities, and contained controversial, discriminatory and gender-insensitive material.

Commenting on the patterns of hate doctrine and their consequences, Doctor Mehdi Hasan, Dean of the School of Media and Communications at the Beacon House National University, observed that Muslims posed a greater danger to their fellow Muslims than to non-Muslims in Pakistan. According to him the seminaries, where less than four per cent of Pakistani children studied, did not pose a greater threat than schools, where hate material was being taught to students as young as Standard I pupils.

A content analysis report published by Pakistan’s National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP) on August 30, 2012, noted that hate content in textbooks used in the country’s Punjab Province has increased from “45 lines in 2009 to 122 in 2012” The study examined 22 textbooks for the academic year 2012-13 in the Punjab and Sindh from classes 1 to 10. The report, titled Education or Promotion of Hatred, was distributed at a conference, Biases in Textbooks and Education Policy, organised by the NCJP.

Distortion of, and overemphasis on some of the tenets have created a jihadi terrain within the structure of the schools. This is compounded by anti-America, anti-India and anti-minority ideologies that are a common narrative in textbooks prescribed and in use in schools in Pakistan. On May 6, 2012, the Jinnah Institute claimed that school textbooks in Pakistan had toned down the element of jihad, but conceded that they were still permeated with an undisguised anti-India and anti-minority sentiment. The effort of ‘toning down’ jihad content, under tremendous international pressure, however, doesn’t mean that this has been completely excluded from textbooks. “Passing references” to jihad in numerous text books create opportunities for course instructors, some of whom are affiliated to radical Islamist organisations, or are sympathetic to the ideology of the so-called ‘Nazariya-e-Pakistan’ (Pakistani viewpoint), to propagate extremist dogma. The Jinnah Institute report downplays the seriousness of the threat posed by the mere ‘passing references’, asserting that the connotation of violence that was associated with the term jihad had been ‘toned down’.

There has been no such cosmetic ‘toning down’ in the curriculum of the numerous madrassas (seminaries) across the country. There are a reported 18,000 to 24,000 registered madrassas in Pakistan, in addition to unnumbered unregistered seminaries. The continuous burgeoning of madrassas in lands fertile for the propagation of a militant jihadist ideology are a matter of grave concern. Increasing poverty, a crippled government schooling system and the desperation of parents pushes them hard to enrol their children in madrassas that claim to cater to their needs. The presence of foreigners aggravates such concerns. On January 30, 2012, for instance, a Federal intelligence agency urged the Punjab Government and Police to bring the Madrassa Madina Jadeed at Muhammadabad on Raiwind Road on the outskirts of Lahore District, under surveillance, as most of the students were from outside Punjab and many from outside Pakistan. The madrassa had 33 foreign students, including 30 Afghans and three Burmese; 511 from outside Punjab, including, 297 from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP), 122 from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), 56 from Balochistan, 16 from Sindh, 11 from ‘Azad Jammu and Kashmir’, six from Gilgit Baltistan, and three from Islamabad; and 247 from Punjab itself. Even though the visas issued to the foreign students at many seminaries have expired, they continue to live in Pakistan. According to a report titled, ‘Foreign Students Studying in Madaris of Punjab on Invalid Visa’ only 31 out of a total of 329 foreign students surveyed, had a valid visa. The current security situation in Pakistan does not permit this kind of administrative laxity. Ignoring the security threat posed by the illegal stay of madrassa students, however, the outlawed Ahl-e-Sunnat-Wal-Jama’at’s (ASWJ) ‘central secretary’, General Khadim Hussain Dhillon, asserted that visa status should not matter when it comes to religious education. Expired visas are no justification for deporting foreign students, he insisted.

It is significant that, according to partial data compiled by the South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), there have been at least 43,868 fatalities relating to Islamist terrorist violence over the past decade (2003 to September 30, 2012). Of these, at least 2,626 have been the result of targeted sectarian violence. Every institution in Pakistan, today, is under Islamist terrorist attack or intimidation, even as the extremists propagate their agenda and their doctrines of hate openly, often forcibly.

In the chilling case of December 12, 2011, the Gadap Town Police in Karachi, the Provincial capital of Sindh, rescued 53 children chained in an underground dungeon at a seminary, the Jamia Masjid Zakaria Kandhelwi Madrassa Arabia, situated in the Afghan Basti in the Sohrab Goth area. These children had been chained in a basement for 30 days. Unearthing tales of torture, the Police revealed that the children were being forcibly indoctrinated by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) instructors, preparing them to join the outfit’s ‘jihad’ on the Afghan front. One of the rescued students stated, "We are being made mujahedeen (holy warriors) here. We are being made Taliban here. They say you should get training... we will send you to fight."

Subsequently, on December 19, 2011, the Federal Government decided to demolish the madrassas that were not registered with Wafaqul Madaris Al-Arabia Pakistan and Tanzeemul Madaris Pakistan. Unfortunately, the programme remained on paper, with no serious effort of implementation. Fearing a 2007 Lal Masjid type backlash, the Government has failed to crack down on any of the unregistered madrassas till date. The madrassas continue to nurture extremist passions, producing a blinkered generation galloping towards a political and sectarian violence unprecedented in the history of the subcontinent.

The madrassas and the ideological bias of school curricula are, however, only part of the problem. The jihadists have pursued a broad agenda against all school education, particularly for girls, and the result has been the regular bombing of schools, particularly in the North-West region of KP and FATA. According to partial data compiled by the SATP, at least 52 schools were destroyed in 33 incidents in KP in 2009; 28 were destroyed in 22 such incidents in 2010; 59 schools were blown up in 69 incidents in 2011; and 45 schools were attacked in 47 incidents in 2012. Similarly, in FATA, a total of 28 schools were destroyed in 25 incidents in 2009; 44 in 44 such incidents in 2010, 57 schools in 76 incidents in 2011; and 26 in 30 incidents in 2012 (data till September 30, 2012).

The TTP, in its systematic war against education, wants all girls to be barred from “western style” education. TTP violence and threats have led thousands of girls to quit schools. In their quest to impose Taliban-style Sharia’h, the TTP aim to reconfigure the private and the public spheres, where women would live confined within the four walls of the house without access to education. Shah Dauran, second in command of TTP’s Swat Chapter, in his daily radio broadcast in 2009, declared, "Female education is against Islamic teachings and spreads vulgarity in society."

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) Report of March 2012, in its annual assessment, observed that the dropout rate from primary to secondary schools in 2011 stood at an appalling 50 per cent for the country. The then Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, speaking on the “Education Emergency in Pakistan” on March 8, 2011, committed the Government’s full support to the “year of education” declaration, but little by way of follow-up is visible, and fear of an “impending disaster” linger on. Hobbled by extremist interventions, the system suffers further as a result of enormous political interferences. On July 17, 2012, a conference jointly organised by the Pakistan Education Taskforce (PET), Provincial Education Department, United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) noted that the appointment of teachers and transfers and postings to key positions in the Education Department on recommendations of legislators and ministers was badly affecting the sector, and immediate reforms were needed to improve its performance. Speakers at the Conference stated that even an Executive District Education Officer, for instance, could not be appointed without the consent of a local politician in any area of Balochistan, adding that over 5,000 primary schools had only one teacher and lacked boundary walls and other facilities. The PET Chairperson Shahnaz Wazir Ali noted further that the politicisation of the Education Department made the situation worse. Pakistan’s education sector has travelled an uneasy road, beginning with the fundamental objective of ‘universalisation of primary education’, but declining, progressively, to a state of benighted ignorance and the virtual ‘death of education’.

No regime or institution in Pakistan, whether military or civilian, has demonstrated any will to confront religious extremism within the country. Dysfunctional civil-military relations, an ersatz model of democracy, the destruction and distortion of history through educational curricula at all levels, the influence of Islamist extremist sympathisers within political, bureaucratic and military structures, and increasing support to the jihadist agenda, have progressively brought Pakistan to a point of an extreme crisis of survival. Pakistan is, today, caught between a rock and a hard place, unable to sever its ties with the Islamists; and equally unable to openly forge an alliance with them.
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I was listening to Ayaan Hirsi on Islam, she talks about how Honor and shame were stressed by Mohammad. Now TSP talks and worries about it's fictitious, melting H&D.
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Anujan wrote:And this funny one:
NATO airstrike: Kerry to visit Pakistan with ‘formal apology’ 8)
http://tribune.com.pk/story/367375/nato ... l-apology/
Influential US senator would likely offer a formal public apology on behalf of the Obama Administration over the Nato airstrikes on a Pakistani check post in November last year.
One day later:
US apology further delayed {Note: it is going to come, just delayed.} :mrgreen:
http://dawn.com/2012/04/21/us-apology-further-delayed/

One more day later:
Senator Kerry not planning visit to Pakistan: Spokesperson :((
http://tribune.com.pk/story/367976/kerr ... kesperson/
As opposed to previous reports of US senator John Kerry’s visit to Pakistan on US President Obama’s directive, the senator’s spokesperson Jodi Seth has claimed that no such visit has been scheduled, nor has the US president issued any such request.
Like the old Paki Towel thread, now we need a Paki Denial thread to collate all the denials coming from Pakistan. I wonder if adminullah will take kindly to that :mrgreen:
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habal wrote:Can anyone explain why after 10:00 all the soldiers manning the ship PNS Shamsheer put on white masks when appearing on camera. At 9:34, the first guy wizens up and starts to put on a mask, then the virus spreads like fire. Look how they stare at the camera and then violently fling their unmasked chehre away. At 9:40 the whole crew is busy donning pardah.

very shady characters. Are they hiding their faces from their neighbours in Karachi ? PNS mein ladkon ka bhi pardah hain kya ?

TFTA DDMs are 500% better than SDRE DDMs. Around 10:40, the female reporters informs the Navy guy that the most critical time for a Navy ship is when it is taking off or landing! :rotfl: :rotfl:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/world ... rikes.html
Foreigners are also restricted from entering the tribal areas, and it remained unclear whether the 32 American members of the antiwar group Codepink would be allowed to go beyond Dera Ismail Khan, a city near the tribal region, where rally participants planned to spend the night.

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lol...this is similar to the fast unto death unto the evening stunts..
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Mind this mindset

It is a truth universally acknowledged that comedians and politicians are always in want of situations that ‘play’ with them. Both assume an antic disposition with a view to gather attraction and acceptability. Both exaggerate either by claiming larger than their stature or by doing more unusual than they are expected of.

In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa such a situation is rife. Earlier Ghulam Ahmed Bilour, the Minister for Pakistan Railways and the member of predominantly a liberal (if not secular) political party, announced head money of one hundred thousand dollars for the head of Kopula Bassel Kopula, the director of innocence of Muslims, a film that is being condemned for its blasphemous content all over the world. Ghulam Ahmed Bilour has been criticised for the worst corruption in Pakistan Railways during his recent tenure. Recently talking to the anchor of a private TV channel, he said his announcement would help mitigate the menace of terrorism in the country. It is not the first time that Haji Ghulam Bilour has been found in the political theater where a comedy of errors is being played. He once shed crocodile tears for the acquisition of more railway engines; he claimed that he would become a suicide bomber if the plan for Kalabagh Dam was revived. And he put his party through sheer embarrassment by proposing a confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh a few months back. He, even, put me in an awkward position when he fell upon with one of my guests, a professor from LUMS, in Alif, a TV show based on ideological debates that I produced back in 2005. He actually rolled up his sleeves and started shouting in his hoarse and hushed up voice, “Should I teach you a lesson right here?”. By the way, the professor was no less than a street fighter himself and he too had venom against the ideological contradiction of ANP.

I have talked to different journalists and all are of the view that Haji sahib has secured his position in NA 1. It is the position that was threatened in the wake of alleged kickbacks, crying vociferously in his account. Secondly, people in KP are wary of the progress limited to the area largely comprising the constituency of CM (KP).

The film maker is in the custody of police and in the US, the likes of Ghazi Ilam Din are not normally accessible, otherwise Haji sahib might have sold the scrap of Pakistan Railways to give this head money, the amount that is much more than his capacity to pay. So, Haji sahib has nothing to lose but the stigma of alleged corruption and to gain, he has a fully charged NA 1.

In Pakistan, political statements, gimmicks, policies and ideologies are not promulgated on the basis of objective realities in perspective. They are rather expressed for point scoring or manipulating the emotions of the public into one’s own favour. Hence, Ikram Ullah Shahid, General Secretary of JUI (F) increased the head money for the same film maker up to twenty thousand dollars during a protest staged by Difa-e-Pakistan Council.

A couple of months back when Pakistan decided to reopen the Nato supply routes, I happened to meet a well positioned member of the DPC (he is actually the media advisor of a well organised religious party that is trained in politics even on student level) in my office. I expressed my concern on the havoc that was likely to be played. He said the party was bound to protest out of courtesy, though decisions had been made by the people also known as the hidden hands. Here lies the point I am trying to take my readers to.

It has become easier for politicians to cash in on religious sentiment than on performance, statesmanship ideas, wisdom or even logic. We, as a nation, are living with a mindset that has been promoted by the establishment to guard the interests of the state not the society. This mindset has fixed approaches towards relations amongst the nation, culture, civilization, norms, language, institutions and objective of life in general. For example, this mindset thinks India is an enemy, democracy is a sham, the Jewish lobby is conspiring against us, anything other than Islamic injunctions are conflicting with our cultural values, the genesis of our history can only be traced back to the advent of Muhammad Bin Qasim, the army is the only institution that protects the integrity of the country and the judiciary (newly included) is the only institution that is fair with the nation, all politicians are corrupt and some are more corrupt.

The mad pursuit of strategic depth, paranoia of security, fear of ideological fall out and reactions against regional voices steeped into an indigenous culture have all paved a path on which this mindset can further flourish. In fact, martial laws nourished it so much so that a mullah force was created parallel to the democratic forces. Hence, we find religio-political alliances against progressive forces since the advent of first martial law. Difa-e-Pakistan Council, Mutteha Majlis-e-Amal, Islami Jamhoori Ittehad, Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi, Tehreek-e-Nizam-e-Mustafa and the likes have always been there to counter liberal forces thus, serving the establishment that cultivated the said mindset.

Philosophically speaking, this mindset is single-track oriented, conducive to regression, restrictive to change and abhorrent of cultural autonomy (not only provincial but more realistically cultural because we have diverse ethnic and cultural entities in all provinces). Unwisely, this mindset has made terrorism an industry and when Musharraf says in his book, ‘In the line of fire’ that he handed a lot of people to the US and got dollars as a reward; when ex service men say Taliban are our strategic asset, when Abu Jandal, Mullah Bradar, Abu Zubeda and Osama Bin Laden are found in Pakistan, when terrorist organisations are sent underground after a ban was imposed in 2003 and the leaders of the same terrorist organisations are seen leading political rallies; when anti Taliban lashkars are discouraged (as a lot of writers like Farhat Taj and Ahmed Rasheed say) in Fata; when the army kept quiet during the ruthless murder of Waqqar Khan and his family in Swat; when the jihadist mind is promoted in madarassahs by welcoming foreign aid; when different sects are directly linked with security agencies for waging wars “against the pro west governments” and when Salarzai and Ali Khel tribes lose their lives before the oppression of tacitly supported Taliban, it is substantiated that we have invested a lot in this industry.

It is this scenario in which Haji Ghulam Bilour says he will give head money against the life of the film maker. Not that he was carried away with emotions but he thought it the easiest way to please Ehsan Ullah Ehsan who like Delphi Oracles, keeps an eye on all political movements of the underlings from an unknown place. I am amazed we couldn’t discover the unknown places of key leaders of the TTP, Taliban, al Qaeda and different local terrorist groups.

I used to go to Swat when the Taliban dominated it and Mullah Fazal Ullah used to address people on the radio. I was astounded that we couldn’t stop his radio addresses in which he threatened people. I have had strong reservations against the staged operation in Swat in which thousands of innocent people were displaced. I saw pregnant women walking from Swat to Mardan and then I carefully documented the operation launched against mills, houses, shops, calling cards, fax machines and any and everything worthwhile in that desolate area.

Then, one day I, together with my team, while making a documentary on the proliferation of madrassahs in South Punjab, was captured by the bearded militia of Maulana Masood Azhar. My camera was snatched and I was asked to flee. We asked our correspondent to let us apologise to the Allama sahib, the chief organiser of the madrassah. However, we ended up waiting (from 11am to 5pm) for our correspondent, who had been to different people for an apology, to return. Eventually, we were led to a place where a bearded officer offered us tea and delivered a four hour long lecture to make us realise that the madarassah people (Maula Masood Azhar’s guys) were the real strategic asset. Would you like to guess where we were? It was the office of the ISI in Bahawalpur.

The mini DV inserted in my camera lense was never returned. But thank God, they didn’t shave my head.
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CRamS wrote:
Indeed, as I said many times, nothing is sacrosanct, the law is not worth the piece of paper, one must always predict US actions based on what its imperialist interests are. From the report, this caught my attention

The State Department said the decision was being made “consistent with U.S. national security interests.” However, the rationale for the decision has been classified.
Well, CRamS is telling you now, but the world will know for sure many years henceforth based on "recently released documents" by some Pulitzer prize winning journalist with the NYT or WP that the reason was, and you guessed it: TSP was on a downward spiral to disintegration, and there is was the imminent danger that cow-worshiping SDRE "Hindoos" next door could be irreversibly ascendant without firing a shot, and Pakijabi munnas will loose their ability to thwart this ascendancy, and such an outcome was surely not in U.S. national security interests at that time, and hence Hilary Clinton waived the law.
This is going on for almost 60 years now, so what you are saying has been known for about 60 years.
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Dipanker wrote:This is going on for almost 60 years now . . .
And, will go on far into the future as well. But, the US alone is not to be blamed. Cold War era was largely different. But, now, we have to take the blame too.
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Pass the wine - Anita Joshua in The Hindu
Yes, there is prohibition in Pakistan. But there are enough people who drink here to make bootlegging a business worth the risk it involves. Many a restaurant in Islamabad allows people to bring in their own booze and drink; provided they do it discreetly. And, several high-end restaurants have bars fitted in — complete with wine glass racks for stemware — as if perennially geared for the day prohibition is lifted. Looks very unlikely today, but bars are nonetheless commonplace in restaurants and, needless to say, drawing rooms. {Prohibition was introduced by that secular socialist ZAB in 1973. Older restaurants might therefore have left the appurtenances as they were, either in hope or in memory. The upcoming Taliban rule will take care of them.}

Speaking of wine, prohibition and the astronomical prices at which bootleggers sell alcohol have turned wine-making into a mini cottage-industry-of-sorts. Using whatever fruit is available — and fruits are aplenty here — several people make their own wine at home. Some of the stuff going around could give winemakers a run for their money.

Of course, it’s all hush-hush and purely for private circulation. The stuff seldom leaves the premises where it is made. And, when it needs to be “shipped”, the extra-cautious prefer the fruit or milk tetra packs; washed out and dried up to ensure that the wine does not lose its character.

Judging by the age profiles of those who are into this cottage industry, wine-making has been going on in the Pakistan underground for years now, turning it almost into a fine art to be tasted by a select few.
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Imran Khan on antidrone peace march to tribal belt
By evening {on Saturday}, the motorcade of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) had reached Dera Ismail Khan as per schedule. After a night’s halt at D. I. Khan, the entourage is slated to head for Kotkai in South Waziristan on Sunday though there was no clarity on whether the local administration would allow them to go that far into the tribal agency.
Mr. Khan, himself, has said that he would hold President Asif Ali Zardari personally responsible if any incident takes place along the way, adding that the federal government was creating problems for this peace initiative.

He accused the federal government of trying to sabotage his initiative by spreading canards of suicide bombers being assigned to attack the peace activists. . . . on Friday the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan said no security cover had been offered to the PTI or its leader whom they described as a “secular and liberal person”. Stating that the Taliban had never said it would attack the peace activists nor provide security, Mr. Khan — often referred to as ‘Taliban Khan’ and ‘Talib in jeans’ for his opposition to the U.S. war on terror — said the tribals had offered security cover.
Though billed as a ‘peace march’, the journey was primarily conducted on wheels, earning the PTI considerable amount of jibes online with bloggers and Twitterati describing it as Mr. Khan’s “long drive’’.
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Despite the birkin babe's antics, wiser counsel seems to have prevailed on the Indian side.

Let's hope that it continues to prevail. :)


No point in PM visiting Pak anytime soon: Officials
Officials in the know in Delhi aren’t sanguine about Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visiting Pakistan in the near future.
They cite many reasons for it, notable among them being the lack of domestic support for scaling up dialogue without tangible progress on disputes dealt directly
by the Pakistan army.

“There isn’t much enthusiasm for upgrading talks even in our Punjab that’s usually receptive to peace initiatives,” said an official. He felt a summit-level visit can be helpful to the bilateral process only when there’s something to show to the people by way of achievement.

Visible movement is there on issues on which the army has given the PPP-led civilian regime a relatively free hand – improved visa regimes, promotion of trade and people-to-people contact. But there has been no substantive progress on combating cross-border terrorism, Siachen, Sir Creek or Afghanistan that are under the GHQ’s charge, said a well-placed source.

Besides Islamabad’s limitations in delivering on complex issues without the army’s nod, the UPA regime’s own agenda at home leaves little room for a summit without assured results.

It’s noted in this context that on Kashmir, the Pakistan army – under General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani – has reverted to its original plank of self-determination for Kashmiris as envisaged under the relevant UN resolutions that India believes have been superseded by the 1971 Shimla Pact, the essence of which is bilateralism.

A reflection of it was found in President Asif Zardari’s speech to the United Nations General Assembly, in which he referred to the Kashmir dispute symbolising the failure of the UN process.

His comments met with External Affairs Minister S M Krishna’s rebuttal, reiterating New Delhi’s standard formulation of Kashmir being an integral part of India.

In the back channel talks until 2007, when General Musharraf was at the helm, Pakistani interlocutors had moved away from their traditional stance on Kashmir to explore and discuss “out-of-the-box” options. Very much part of that approach was the shift from “new borders to no borders” along the LoC.
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Gus wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/world ... rikes.html
Foreigners are also restricted from entering the tribal areas, and it remained unclear whether the 32 American members of the antiwar group Codepink would be allowed to go beyond Dera Ismail Khan, a city near the tribal region, where rally participants planned to spend the night.
lol...this is similar to the fast unto death unto the evening stunts..
Imran Khan has already stated that he would respect the wishes of the taliban vis-a-vis foreign members of his delegation (whether they can enter the tribal areas or not).

Future PM respecting the wishes of the current PM of Waziristan. 8)
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More nonsense spewed by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik :lol:

Anti-Islam film: Malik claims credit for producer’s arrest

Excerpt:
“I don’t claim entire credit, but it is a credit for the Muslim Ummah, the credit goes to my government. In fact, it is our government and the entire world which took up this derogatory documentary film at all international forums,”
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Gus wrote:it remained unclear whether the 32 American members of the antiwar group Codepink would be allowed to go beyond Dera Ismail Khan, a city near the tribal region, where rally participants planned to spend the night.
Taliban Khan is using Codepink, a naive women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement to further its political agenda and get international coverage. Codepink famous tagline is "Yes WE CAN Live in Peace!". Yeah right. tell that to the islamists.

BTW, New York Times, itself a liberal-left-leaning newspaper, has an upbeat article in its international section today on this farcical march (actually a convoy of bullet proof SUVs). I suspect (and would not be surprised if) Khan's ex-wife Jemima Khan (the antique smuggler) has much to do with this connection. She is a guest editor with The New Statesman (a leftist rag in the YUK) and that may be the connection with NYT. hence the happy sounding article in today's NYT.

Khan (recently called Im the Dim) is actually turning out be an astute manager of (his) personal relations with women. Having fathered kids out of wedlock, been a playboy all his life, a born-again muslim and a celebre divorcee, he still seems to across to many women organizations (and spinsters) as a knight in shining armor. That man is a jehadi by heart and soul, and if you add a beard to his shaven face, he is no different from Baitullah Mehsud. A suppressor of women's rights. Irony, huh? Women organizations (and spinsters) just dont see this side of Khan.
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PA blocks Imran Khan's anti-US protest
So, Taliban Khan played a liitle drama in cahoots with the PA ?
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SSridhar wrote:PA blocks Imran Khan's anti-US protest
So, Taliban Khan played a liitle drama in cahoots with the PA ?
It was meant to be stopped. That must have been the arrangement. The question was where? At Dera Ismail Khan (where the codepinkers would take leave because of the law against foreigners), or at the border of South Waziristan where the PA shares the law with the tellibunnies, or in North Waziristan where the only writ of tellibunnies runs? Looks like PA stepped in early enough before blood began to flow but put the blame on the bad telllibunnies.
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arun wrote:More nonsense spewed by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik :lol:

Anti-Islam film: Malik claims credit for producer’s arrest

Excerpt:
“I don’t claim entire credit, but it is a credit for the Muslim Ummah, the credit goes to my government. In fact, it is our government and the entire world which took up this derogatory documentary film at all international forums,”

Well, under this over generous and all encompassing term "entire world", even aroon-that's it- roy can take credit for the guy's arrest.
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after india...now SL is ok with playing paki's in their own backyard
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http://dawn.com/2012/10/08/drones-will- ... ssures-us/
“If we are given drones, we will use them responsibly as we used the F-16s,” said Interior Minister Rehman Malik..Like Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, the interior minister also said that Pakistan had no objection to using drones against militants, it disagreed with the method.
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Growing Russia-Pakistan ties a reality India will have to live with - The Hindu
When Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin came here {New Delhi} in July, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, had a request to make: Could Russian President Vladimir Putin put off his visit to Pakistan in October so that the optics of the India-Russia summit meeting scheduled in November could remain unimpaired?

Mr. Rogozin demurred. Privately his diplomats explained how that would be difficult. Russia was as concerned as India about terrorist activity with bases in Pakistan but Moscow could not be more antagonistic than New Delhi which too is trying to build bridges with Islamabad through a dialogue process.

“We should not dramatise an outdated situation. Even in India, which Indian leaders can say Pakistan is an enemy?’’ stated a Russian diplomat. Even otherwise, the Russian side communicated to New Delhi, Mr. Putin’s proposed first-ever visit to Pakistan was more to do with Afghanistan where any future settlement of the problem will depend on how its neighbours will act, they said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who was to visit India on October 4, landed instead in Pakistan. His Cabinet colleague, Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov postponed his scheduled visit to India as Pakistan Army Chief Asfaq Parvez Kayani flew to Moscow.

After Mr. Putin cancelled his trip, Moscow offered to send Mr. Lavrov in his stead. Islamabad was initially reluctant. Like India which did not like the idea of Mr. Putin first going to Pakistan, Islamabad did not want to be offered a Foreign Minister instead of a Head of Government. But Islamabad relented two days before Mr. Lavrov landed.
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India cannot and should not grant a monopoly to Russians on arms supply, without even going into issues like over charging, bad quality etc. It is simply not in our interest

If this is the price we have to pay, I guess, so be it. At least it should put some sense into the minds of those that sometimes argue that Russia has been standing behind India as a true friend, without any commercial or other motives and is as pure as fresh snow.. It is all superpower politics and money at the end of the day...Hamaam mein sub nange hain..
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Pakistan is trying to garner the support of the US, China and now Russia by leveraging its only offering, terror. If these three are somehow convinced of Pakistan's assurance of ensuring no terrorism in their respective lands and that the Taliban would be confined only to Afghanistan now that most of Al Qaeda are eliminated, they may support Pakistan's efforts in Afghanistan. The recent waiver issued by Ms. Clinton, after some delay in decision, indicate some convergence on Afghanistan. That will leave India at a great disadvantage vis-a-vis Afghanistan, CAR and security & integrity of our land. Pakistan can only be expected to go back to its 1989-doctrines. The increased access to India through the Aman-ki-Asha initiative will make matters simpler for the Pakistani designs on us.
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anupmisra wrote:
Gus wrote:it remained unclear whether the 32 American members of the antiwar group Codepink would be allowed to go beyond Dera Ismail Khan, a city near the tribal region, where rally participants planned to spend the night.
Taliban Khan is using Codepink, a naive women-initiated grassroots peace and social justice movement to further its political agenda and get international coverage. Codepink famous tagline is "Yes WE CAN Live in Peace!". Yeah right. tell that to the islamists.
I dunno if Imran Khan is aware that Code Pink is also very big in supporting gay/lesbian/bi causes and a fairly large number of its members play for the other team. Not that there's anything wrong with that (hell, I support some of the same causes myself), but definitely will not be seen the same way by the citizens of Bakiland if word gets out. I Khan will have a lot of explaining to do to the goat-lover crowd.
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'Tsunami' fails to hit South Waziristan - DT
However, the US peace campaigners left the convoy before it reached Tank, with their spokeswoman saying they felt they had achieved their goals. Clive Stafford Smith, the British head of the legal lobby group Reprieve, said whether the group reached its intended destination was irrelevant. “It’s already a wonderful success,” he told reporters. “It doesn’t matter what happens from here on. We’ve generated a huge amount of publicity not just in Pakistan but across the world.”
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ArmenT wrote:I dunno if Imran Khan is aware that Code Pink is also very big in supporting gay/lesbian/bi causes and a fairly large number of its members play for the other team. Not that there's anything wrong with that (hell, I support some of the same causes myself), but definitely will not be seen the same way by the citizens of Bakiland if word gets out. I Khan will have a lot of explaining to do to the goat-lover crowd.
I am more worried about the ignorance of the other side (so called left liberal anti imperialism crowd) about Im da dim and his inner jihadi.

It is shyte like this that gives credence to the conspiracy theories of left islam alliance in massa.
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He is bull cattle already anyway...at least as per the bunnies..
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Why is India deferring to Americans on Pakistan? And why is India then cozying up to USA? Because America has influence in Pakistan and purports to be able to influence Pakis even on the question of Paki policies towards India!

So in order to get influence over India, a country needs to cozy up to Pakistan! What a logic!

But that is the logic that Russia is following now in "South Asia"! So why are we getting khujli if Russians go to Islamabad? After all we are the ones who have given this logic legitimacy!

Not having a backbone in dealing with Pakistan means that India would be losing the "exclusive" support of many countries and in fact push these other countries into Pakistan's arms!
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blast in quetta. Not spectacular but keeps score board moving
Blast in Quetta kills one, injures 14

Look at the pic. The cops are all in mufti. Looks like uniform is a strict no for cops there
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