Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

habal · Post by **habal** » 26 Oct 2012 18:20

the dossier always travels from east-west .. it is a one-way traffic.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 26 Oct 2012 18:39

Brad - i think they do this just so they can say some ridiculous equal==equal crap.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2012 18:39

Anujan wrote:pakis have released a list of banned organizations.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/456294/list ... -pakistan/

Surprised that LeT is in there. It has never been formally banned.

Its to please US and claim to be a normal country. What is the use of banning an org when the same people who run it have a name change and operate openly?
This moves gives them plausible deniablity and warms WKKs and Pak pasand US diplomutts so they can got to town and defend this monstorsity called Pakisatan.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 26 Oct 2012 18:47

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan's first astronaut wants to make peace in space

Well mam space is peaceful because till now your brothers and sisters havent figured out how to reach there and do a dawah. Hopefully it stays the same

Get ready for the first suicide explosion in space, taking down a couple of Jewish satellites with it.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 26 Oct 2012 19:14

Romney is pro Pakistan just like Bush.
I bet if he becomes POTUS, he will resume paying them billions of our tax money.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2012 19:24

KJoishy wrote:Romney is pro Pakistan just like Bush.
I bet if he becomes POTUS, he will resume paying them billions of our tax money.

Realism will force him as he needs to concentrate on domestic priorties so has to pay baksheesh to TSP and force India to kowtow.

Obama has some loose ends to tie up, finish what he started and they are all in TSP!

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 26 Oct 2012 19:32

KJoishy wrote:Romney is pro Pakistan just like Bush.
I bet if he becomes POTUS, he will resume paying them billions of our tax money.

If Romney gets elected, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pukes try to sneak in a major terrorist attack to take advantage of the fog of transfer of power similar to 2008. Besides, a major terrorist attack is long overdue.

-M

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Oct 2012 19:53

Besides GoI is encouraging pakistan more. One 26/11 and MMS gives gift of Siachen to pukies. Sir Creek is in the offing for sometime, all pak has to do is to attack any metro city. And the biggest ever attack and maximum Indian lives will get them entire J&K. Cmon pakis just 2 years of MMS are left, do your best.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 26 Oct 2012 19:57

The Republicans like to play helpless that "but but Packeestan has nukes!" as their excuse. But when it came to "Eye-rak has nukes" they just went and bombed them.

Hoping for Ombaba to come back. Amit Ramanna (sorry ramana ji

) will be bad for India and the US.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Oct 2012 20:01

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan's first astronaut wants to make peace in space

Well mam space is peaceful because till now your brothers and sisters havent figured out how to reach there and do a dawah. Hopefully it stays the same

First astronaut indeed!!

Chasing your dreams doesn’t always come cheap, Salim paid $200,000 to sign up with Virgin Galactic in 2007, funded with support from her family, who run a heavy construction equipment firm in the UAE. The weightless component of the flight will last for only a few minutes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2012 20:50

Thats not an astronaut but a well heeled space excursion traveller on a joy ride.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Oct 2012 20:57

She should be bull cuttled if she has her feet over holy places during orbit.

Is she going into orbit? If so, she should pray 5 times per orbit because it is technically a day.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 26 Oct 2012 22:15

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan's first astronaut wants to make peace in space

Well mam space is peaceful because till now your brothers and sisters havent figured out how to reach there and do a dawah. Hopefully it stays the same

Why do I see this for the link above?

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Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 26 Oct 2012 22:44

Kenop,
‘First’ Pakistani astronaut wants to make peace in space

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 26 Oct 2012 23:05

^^^^BENIS material, very similar in vein to water kit sapne, look here what the TSP 'astronaut' says:

As a child I always believed I would go to space. It’s not that I read about it one fine day and thought of signing up. I’ve always said this was in my DNA,she told AFP by Skype from Dubai.

What is so great about buying a trip to space? it need not be in one's DNA, you just need money. BTW, She also has jehadi DNA, she forgot to mention.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 26 Oct 2012 23:44

twitter rumour. Immy has been offloaded from a plane in Toronto to be questioned about his views on and ties to the Taliban.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 27 Oct 2012 00:11

KJoishy wrote: Hoping for Ombaba to come back. Amit Ramanna (sorry ramana ji ) will be bad for India and the US.

KLJoishyji, wouldn't 'Amit Ramani' be more appropriate?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 27 Oct 2012 00:17

Jaspreet wrote:Kenop,
‘First’ Pakistani astronaut wants to make peace in space

Just how does one go about 'making' peace in space or will she be thinking of 'blowing to pieces' or 'making love' or 'blowing love' or ....???

member_22906 · Post by **member_22906** » 27 Oct 2012 00:21

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 031545.ece

Afghanistan’s contention is that the Durand Line Agreement – signed by the erstwhile governments of Afghanistan and India (under the British) to demarcate their respective territories – was valid only for 100 years and the land that had been made part of the British holdings should return to the Afghans.

Among the Pashtoons in Pakistan also, there is a section which advocates this position; primarily because of ethnic loyalties and the general demand for a Pashtoonistan. Pakistan rejects the 100-year time-frame of the agreement and maintains that binding bilateral agreements are passed on to successor states; making the Durand Line the official Pakistan-Afghanistan border. In fact, Pakistan is prickly about the border with Afghanistan being called the Durand Line.

partha · Post by **partha** » 27 Oct 2012 00:24

Nandu wrote:twitter rumour. Immy has been offloaded from a plane in Toronto to be questioned about his views on and ties to the Taliban.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Oct 2012 00:49

partha wrote:
Nandu wrote:twitter rumour. Immy has been offloaded from a plane in Toronto to be questioned about his views on and ties to the Taliban.

PTI Chief Imran Khan off-loaded from U.S. flight in Canada

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 27 Oct 2012 00:53

habal wrote:the dossier always travels from east-west .. it is a one-way traffic.

..and at the risk of stating the obvious; Terrorism almost always travels west - east.

-M

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 27 Oct 2012 00:54

Nandu wrote:twitter rumour. Immy has been offloaded from a plane in Toronto to be questioned about his views on and ties to the Taliban.

....Strengthens the hands of extremists...so allow us to raise money for Jihad against West from the faithfool platepissers of US/Canada.....

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 27 Oct 2012 01:01

Tarek Fateh posted this list of Paki-Americans who are raising funds for the Talib-Khan who recently said that "Talibans war against US is a Holy War (Jihad)".

List of Paki American traitors

https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/2 ... 81/photo/1

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2012 01:17

Ajay Sharma wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 031545.ece

Afghanistan’s contention is that the Durand Line Agreement – signed by the erstwhile governments of Afghanistan and India (under the British) to demarcate their respective territories – was valid only for 100 years and the land that had been made part of the British holdings should return to the Afghans.

Among the Pashtoons in Pakistan also, there is a section which advocates this position; primarily because of ethnic loyalties and the general demand for a Pashtoonistan. Pakistan rejects the 100-year time-frame of the agreement and maintains that binding bilateral agreements are passed on to successor states; making the Durand Line the official Pakistan-Afghanistan border. In fact, Pakistan is prickly about the border with Afghanistan being called the Durand Line.

Something is cooking on the Durand line
Reuters article

In Afghan War enter Sir Mortimer Durand
No where any mention that Ghilzais were left out on the east of the Durand Line and the Durranis on the West side.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Oct 2012 02:38

Demise and national salvation

Rowtte Hue ayye yeh Loge,Rowtte Hue yeh Jiyenge Loge , Rowta Hua Poqaqland Jayega.

The republic founded by Jinnah and conceded in all good grace by the British is dead. Let’s not be coy about this fundamental circumstance. Without the British there would be no Pakistan. The Raj did not greatly trouble the Muslims of India. The prospect of living under a Hindu majority did.Our forefathers fought not for liberation from foreign rule. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan at least was in no doubt about the benefits of British rule: “...for the peace of India and for the progress of everything in India the English Government should remain for many years – in fact for ever!” (This speech in Meerut, March 1988, makes for interesting if not extraordinary reading.) No, our forefathers struggled for safeguards to protect their separate status. And the British, not averse to playing the higher game of divide and rule, as any imperial conqueror would have done, gave them those safeguards.Fear about the future, which for the leaders of the Muslim community became a consuming insecurity, led over time to the demand for a state on the grounds of separatism: that we were a separate nation distinct from the Hindu majority, with our own culture and way of life. This was the two-nation theory and, try as we may to give it a modern interpretation, its foundation was religion. Not theocracy, far from it, but on nationhood defined in religious terms. There is no getting away from this.And since our foundational principles were cast in these terms is it any wonder that the divines and mullahs who had opposed Jinnah and the Muslim League abandoned their old positions once Pakistan was created and went about appropriating the ideology of the new state to use it for their own ends and impose their own brand of philosophy on it?Yes, Jinnah outlined an altogether different vision in his address to the Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947: you are free to go to your temples, free to go to your mosques, this has nothing to do with the business of the state. There could be no clearer exposition of a secular polity. How desperately some of us clutch at the straw provided by this speech?

Lazy Chillumudins and Fakkardeens

Tailpiece: By the way, a nation which must have five to six holidays every Eid is in no mental condition for any kind of struggle. So I agree with those who say no unnecessary risks and that discretion is the better part of valour

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 27 Oct 2012 02:49

Anujan wrote:pakis have released a list of banned organizations.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/456294/list ... -pakistan/

Surprised that LeT is in there. It has never been formally banned.

Anujan

That is incorrect. The Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned in TSP since 2002, after the Parliament attack, when Musharraf banned 5 groups after pressured by the Bush admin.

The difference with other groups is that the LeT's reincarnation, JuD, has never been formally banned by TSP. This is in contrast to renamed versions of JeM, Sipah-e-Sahaba etc. which were banned after renaming.

Even if we know that "banned" in TSP is pretty meaningless, the fact that JuD has not even been subjected to that inconvenience, shows how much of a favorite it is.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 27 Oct 2012 02:50

Teetar is agog with a rumor that US customs has seized ~$70k of undeclared cash from Imran Khan's possession

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Oct 2012 03:32

He went to US for fundraising. There was a 5000$ per plate dinner for him. He must have forgotten to declare what is rightfully his.

Didn't he want suspension of US aid?

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 27 Oct 2012 03:44

^^
Baki websites are awash with comments like "Khan is the real leader!" "America is afraid of khan, AoA!" "Khan is a Lion!"

Im-the-dim is going to drum-up the issue of his detention to a frenzy on his return..

The Amreeki flag making (for burning of course) industry of Bakistan must be getting ready to rake in the dough..

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 27 Oct 2012 04:13

Anujan wrote:He went to US for fundraising. There was a 5000$ per plate dinner for him. He must have forgotten to declare what is rightfully his.

Didn't he want suspension of US aid?

Actually, it appears that it was $$ that Im the Dim had collected in Toronto, that he did not declare while crossing over into US. You're legally supposed to declare cash at hand beyond a certain threshold.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 27 Oct 2012 04:19

LOL.... Allah ke naam pe dede baba..... Drone ke naam pe dede baba.

And while we are at it, we also issue a threat to US and Canada that it will be very "expensive" to do this. Abdul who posted it needs a full (cavity level) inspection and interrogation.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Oct 2012 04:45

Even with the security check, it is easier for him to travel to Canada and US than to FATA. That is something to think about.

When he was stopped from going to FATA why wasn't there same outrage?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Oct 2012 08:04

Anujan wrote:Even with the security check, it is easier for him to travel to Canada and US than to FATA. That is something to think about.

When he was stopped from going to FATA why wasn't there same outrage?

The people who stopped him from going to FATA believe that FATA is their land and they have drawn a border between Pakistan and FATA. These people do not recognize the Durand line, but they recognize a border between FATA and Pakjab.

But Canada, the US and the UN do not recognize the border between FATA and Pakjab. They only recognize the Durand line. Imran Khan is in line with the US and Canada and indeed the UN n which he thinks that if he becomes PM, he will have control of all the lands of FATA up to the Durand line.

There are effectively 3 "borders" that we are seeing with respect to Pakistan

Border 1 is the "internationally recognized" (US/Canada/UN) colonial border the Durand line
Border 2 is the Taliban/Pashtun border which rejects the Durand line and restricts Pakistan to Pakjab and Sindh the Taliban seek to control Kabul as well as FATA across the Durand line.
Border 3 is the ISI/Pakistani army border that seeks to control Kabul across the Durand line and have no border - that is they wish to dissolve both the "colonial" Durand line as well ass the Taliban FATA-Pakjab border for their "strategic depth"

In short the Paki army+ISI and the Taliban both have one common aim, and that is to dissolve the Durand line. But the Paki army will dissolve the Durand line only if they can control Kabul. If the Pashtun Taliban control Kabul, they will dissolve the Durand line and draw the border at FATA, But this is opposd by both the Paki army and the US/Canada/International community.

So the Paki army+ISI have a common aim with both the Taliban (to dissolve the Durand line) and the international community (to avoid a new border between FATA and Pakjab).

The USA wants to maintain colonial status quo at the Durand line and is asking the Paki army to fight the Pashtuns as far as the Durand line, but to keep off Kabul. The Pashtun Taliban want to control FATA in Pakistan and Kabul in Afghanistan.

As I see it, one solution may be to allow the formation of Pashtunistan and build a new capital at the historic city of Ghazni or Kandahar. Let a rump Afghanistan survive with Kabul as capital

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 27 Oct 2012 08:33

Drones Strike zones : http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... rikes.html

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 27 Oct 2012 08:35

shiv wrote: The people who stopped him from going to FATA believe that FATA is their land and they have drawn a border between Pakistan and FATA. These people do not recognize the Durand line, but they recognize a border between FATA and Pakjab.
...
Border 2 is the Taliban/Pashtun border which rejects the Durand line and restricts Pakistan to Pakjab and Sindh the Taliban seek to control Kabul as well as FATA across the Durand line.

Minor correction here. FATA doesn't share a border with Pakjab. The Pashtuns and Taliban want all the land right upto the Indus river which ranges from 20 to 140 kms beyond the FATA region.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 27 Oct 2012 08:48

Pretty sad if you think about it....I had great expectations.
No serious bum belast on the occasion of Eid Ul Padha

-M

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Oct 2012 08:53

Rohit_K wrote:
shiv wrote: The people who stopped him from going to FATA believe that FATA is their land and they have drawn a border between Pakistan and FATA. These people do not recognize the Durand line, but they recognize a border between FATA and Pakjab.
...
Border 2 is the Taliban/Pashtun border which rejects the Durand line and restricts Pakistan to Pakjab and Sindh the Taliban seek to control Kabul as well as FATA across the Durand line.
Minor correction here. FATA doesn't share a border with Pakjab. The Pashtuns and Taliban want all the land right upto the Indus river which ranges from 20 to 140 kms beyond the FATA region.

Thanks. My fault for not looking at a map before I typed. I am not sure exactly what the Taliban want but I think they certainly want to dissolve the Durand line. Not really sure about their ambition to the east, although I have heard, from time to time, the assertion that they want to control all of Pakistan. But I have also heard the slightly different take that they do not consider themselves Pakistani, or Punjabi.

I am guessing that there are two Taliban elements. One is the Islamist element that seeks domination and the other is the Pashtun element. Both are under attack from the US for seeking to dissolve the Durand line. The Pashtun element is under attack from the Paki army for drawing a border within Pakistan. The Islamic element is something that the Paki army cannot oppose.

So it makes sense for the Islamist element and the Pashtun element to unite as they have a common cause. Sharia will be imposed most strictly by the Taliban. Neither Pakistan nor the US can object to that. That is why I believe that the Taliban are good Pashtun Muslims and we must not be opposed to them so long as they are involved in their just battle with the US and its clean shaven lackeys the Pakistan army

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Oct 2012 09:46

mraghu wrote:Drones Strike zones : http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... rikes.html

Excellent !

Drone strike clustering :
North Waziristan
>Datta Khel (Hafiz Gul Bahadur allied to Haqqanis)
>Miram Shah (Base of Hafiz Gul Bahadur)
>Mir Ali ( IMU and TTP(from 2009) )

South Waziristan
>Wana - Maulvi Nazir (allied to Gul Bahadur)
>minor centers - Ladha, Makeen, Angoor adda, sargodha etc

South Waziristan is originally the base of Mehsuds (bulk of TTP) and after excluding Wana(Maulvi Nazir's area), gets very less damage compared to NW.

Gul Bahadur and Haqqanis are the main antagonists to Amreekis but are good taleban to TSPA (Haqqanis use NW as rear Base and as a staging point for attacks into Afghanistan)
IMU - is allied with TTP and has many Alqaeda elements allied and within it (drone targets in Mir Ali ?)
TTP - with whom Gul Bahadur is now estranged is currently the main antagonist to the TSPA and is based in SW,Mir Ali(of NW) and Bannu and also operates in rest of FATA . TTP leaders like Hakimullah, Qari Hussain , Wali-ur-Rehman etc have a knack of surviving drone strikes and then threatening american interests with dire consequences as well as mounting well telegraphed but ultimately ineffectual attacks on american interests (like Camp Chapman attack and Timesquare bomb plot). Their actual relationship to americans is however unclear.

When Unkil demands a TSPA offensive into NW, he wants it into Miramshah (TSPA already has a garrison twiddling their thumbs here) and Datta khel. When TSPA promises a "limited" NW offensive, it wants to limit it to Mir Ali and other TTP influenced areas.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 27 Oct 2012 10:14

Rangudu wrote:
Anujan wrote:He went to US for fundraising. There was a 5000$ per plate dinner for him. He must have forgotten to declare what is rightfully his.

Didn't he want suspension of US aid?
Actually, it appears that it was $$ that Im the Dim had collected in Toronto, that he did not declare while crossing over into US. You're legally supposed to declare cash at hand beyond a certain threshold.

He can't deny that he didn't know about that rule being the seasoned traveller that he is, as similar rules are in place in nearly every country in the world. I bet that silly idiot was probably planning to pinch some of it for his personal use and declaring the amount at the airport would have let other people know how much was originally donated.