Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby kish » 05 Dec 2012 17:20

This is probably news of the day in bakistan.

KHI: Prayer leader, guard gunned down

According to police, 40-year old prayer leader Qari Hassan Naseer was shot dead by the unidentified armed men inside the mosque situated in New Karach. He died before he could be taken to hospital. The assailants managed to flee from the crime scene. The body of deceased was shifted to Abbassi Shaheed Hospital for autopsy.


The 40-year old prayer leader must have done a lot of good deeds to die a normal death (shot dead) inside a mosque in Islamic republic of pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Chinmayanand » 05 Dec 2012 17:32

The purification process in piggystan is gaining momentum. ATM needs to give it a little push more. It's still so slow. With millions of ahmediyas and shias still roaming around , it's gonna take hell lot of decades at the present rate of singles and doubles.

I say , pakis should launch these hatf v missiles at these shia and ahmediya occupied areas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Dec 2012 18:54

Chinmayanand wrote:The purification process in piggystan is gaining momentum. ATM needs to give it a little push more. It's still so slow. With millions of ahmediyas and shias still roaming around , it's gonna take hell lot of decades at the present rate of singles and doubles.

I say , pakis should launch these hatf v missiles at these shia and ahmediya occupied areas.


Better to use Shaheen as nobody knows where the Ghauri will breakup and fall.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby arun » 05 Dec 2012 20:53

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence sees the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan as Un-uniformed Jihadi’s of the Taliban take out Uniformed Jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan soldiers die as suicide bombers attack Waziristan camp

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby arun » 05 Dec 2012 21:05

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Jeffery Lewis over at Arms Control Wonk (ACW) has posted an article by Tamara Patton that says that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s weapons-grade Uranium and Plutonium production is going to come up against an uranium shortage:

Uranium Fuel Constraints for Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapon Complex

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 05 Dec 2012 21:15

Aditya_V wrote:What people forget is a society which eliminated 25% of its minorities in a genocide in 1947 should have no qualm in doing it to anther 25% in 2015. the Shia are 30 million will not hold water.


Well pakis are solving world's population problems and must be rewarded.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Rajdeep » 05 Dec 2012 21:27

RamaY wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:What people forget is a society which eliminated 25% of its minorities in a genocide in 1947 should have no qualm in doing it to anther 25% in 2015. the Shia are 30 million will not hold water.


Well pakis are solving world's population problems and must be rewarded.


Sirji you forgot the inbreeders produce more kassabs too. so its balanced onlee.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby ramana » 05 Dec 2012 22:36

After the Gauri missile failure one can expect the imminent Noko missile test to be postponed till failure analysis is conducted. On the other hand, maybe Pakis made so many changes to NoDong to get to Hatf-5 that its not relevant to the NoKos.

One interesting thing is suppose the Pakis are candid (oxymoron!) that the stage separated, then noting the location where the debris fell, Dadu, Sindh, and knowing its single stage vehicle, then they are trying to separate the payload from the vehicle to reduce the radar signature. This is a consequence of the PAD/AAD tests by DRDO.
Maybe they had a vaccum burst that led to the failure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prem » 06 Dec 2012 02:40

Mysterious circumstances: Blasphemy accused dies in custody
http://tribune.com.pk/story/474362/myst ... n-custody/
LAHORE: A 22-year-old youth, accused of burning a copy of the Holy Quran, died in police custody at Warburton police station on Sunday, The Express Tribune has learnt.
The youth, Nadeem, was detained without an FIR by the Nankana Sahib police seven days ago. Police say he was being kept in protective custody. He was later shifted to Warburton police station, 20km for Nankana Sahib.T
alking to The Express Tribune, Nankana Sahib district police officer (DPO) Ghulam Mubashar Maken said the youth fell severely ill while in custody at Warburton police station and subsequently died.He said allegations against Nadeem had not been substantiated so far. He added that they were informed by a local committee of Ulema that there was no proof so far to suggest the youth had burned the Holy Quran copy. Since they had been waiting for the committee’s final decision, no case was registered against the youth, DPO Maken said.Meanwhile, police have handed over Nadeem’s body to his heirs and initiated proceedings under section 174.DPO Maken said Nadeem’s father Yousaf had told the police that his son was mentally unstable. He added that even after his son’s death, Yousaf was unwilling to take legal action.Police officials also suggested that Nadeem was tortured by local resident when they allegedly discovered him burning a copy of the Holy Quran. They also suspect he may have been an addict.Christian woman Asia Bibi, who was sentenced to death in 2010 on blasphemy charges, also belongs to Nankana Sahib.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby sanjaykumar » 06 Dec 2012 04:52

Yes very mysterious; save the headline for the next score of cases

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby vina » 06 Dec 2012 04:56

Maybe they had a vaccum burst that led to the failure.

The pics didn't show characteristics of typical vacuum burst . I would think more mundane reasons such as propulsion failure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby symontk » 06 Dec 2012 07:02

Although the published trajectory was to Baluchistan, the missle went to Sind. Also it completed only 900 kms of its 1300km range. If the missle hadn't failed, it would have hit gujarat, right?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2012 08:39

Pakistan senators arrive with a message of peace
Chairman of the Pakistan Senate Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari has backed the dialogue process in which parliamentarians from both countries, who have been actively interacting with each other, can play an important role.

Accompanied by six Senators, including three from the minority community, Mr. Bokhari arrived here on Wednesday for a five-day visit at the joint invitation of Speaker Meira Kumar and Rajya Sabha Chairman Hamid Ansari.

His visit is a continuation of the parliamentary exchanges between the two countries.

Stating that he had come with a message of love and peace, the Senator hoped talks between the two countries would help in resolving most outstanding issues.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2012 12:57

Afghanistan, the graveyard of committments
Why am I posting it here ? That is because of the following:
In the quest for peace, Pakistan — the principal backer of the Afghan insurgents — was receiving kid-glove treatment from the top US diplomats. As the recent interviews given by the outgoing US ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter suggest, the State Department peaceniks kept getting weak kneed each time a terrorist safe haven was taken out in North Waziristan by US drones. The Pakistani security establishment, which never did sever its ties with the Afghan Taliban and the India-oriented Punjab-based jihadists, mobilised crowds through the political patrons/wings of these outfits, creating the impression of mass-anti-US hysteria. Terrified by the well-orchestrated anger on the Pakistani street, an exit seemed to be the only strategy on the US diplomats’ minds.
Michael Hirsh had noted in the National Journal, May 2012: “Washington and other capitals continue to watch, helplessly, as a middle-sized developing country defies a superpower and the NATO alliance with virtual impunity.” The US diplomatic pussyfooting is perhaps the main reason that has enabled, and in some ways encouraged, such defiance.

The military option to confront Pakistan was deemed to be a cure worse than the cancer itself. Tactical options like the drones, though effective in a circumscribed zone, were certainly not a strategy to cope where the entire country all the way from Khyber to Karachi was serving virtually as a bridgehead for al Qaeda and the Taliban cadres and sanctuary for the who’s who of transnational terrorism. The Haqqani terrorist network’s head honchos in Peshawar and the outskirts of Islamabad, the Taliban leadership in Quetta and Karachi, and of course, Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad says it all. Yet it was the Pakistanis who were ‘outraged’ and the US diplomats who were falling over each other to apologise! How hard was it to accurately analyse the situation and how long did one need to do so? We have heard a lot about Colin Powell’s famous phone call to General Musharraf and Richard Armitage giving a piece of his mind to General Mahmud Ahmed. It is pertinent to ask how hard the US diplomats tried to challenge Pakistan subsequently, if at all.
But equally important was to cobble together a broad-based diplomatic front to question even if not to confront Pakistan over its continued interference in Afghanistan. Why the US diplomatic corps, including Holbrooke, Gross and Munter, failed to do so when their colleagues like the former US ambassador to Kabul, Ryan Crocker, kept warning about the Pakistani interference, is intriguing.


And, the above has come from a Pakistani in DT

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby vishvak » 06 Dec 2012 14:19

symontk wrote:Although the published trajectory was to Baluchistan, the missle went to Sind. Also it completed only 900 kms of its 1300km range. If the missle hadn't failed, it would have hit gujarat, right?

In this case it is necessary to station anti-gori missiles on coastline too, to an extent of assuring safety protocols, in case future tests fail worse and Indians have to dodge falling and failing debris.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2012 14:37

vishvak wrote: . . . in case future tests fail worse and Indians have to dodge falling and failing debris.

At least one test of this same missile landed in Iran. So, you are right. This missile has a propensity to veer off course, break-up in flight etc. In any case, India must be alert whenever TSP tests any missile because of its perfidious and terrorist nature.

symontk, the trajectory from Jhelum to Dadu indicates it would have gone into Arabian Sea, south of Gwadar. had it completed its intended flight.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Dec 2012 15:25

If I am right it has been tested 4-5 times and all including the April 1998 test which finally convinced our leadership on Shakti tests were a failure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby sum » 06 Dec 2012 16:03

In any case, India must be alert whenever TSP tests any missile because of its perfidious and terrorist nature.


Eevn the TSP missiles are of terrorist nature!! Guess if some part lands in India after breaking up, it will be declared a non-state missile. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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A new Pakistani Taliban chief emerging
The Pakistani Taliban, one of the world’s most feared militant groups, are preparing for a leadership change that could mean less violence against the state but more attacks against US-led forces in Afghanistan, Pakistani military sources said. {Note the origin of this news}

Hakimullah Mehsud, a ruthless commander who has led the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for the last three years, has lost operational control of the movement and the trust of his fighters, said a senior Pakistan army official based in the South Waziristan tribal region, the group’s stronghold.

The organisation’s more moderate deputy leader, Wali-ur-Rehman, 40, is poised to succeed Mehsud, whose extreme violence has alienated enough of his fighters to significantly weaken him, the military sources told Reuters.

Rehman is fast emerging as a consensus candidate to formally replace Hakimullah,” said the army official, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter. “Now we may see the brutal commander replaced by a more pragmatic one for whom reconciliation with the Pakistani government has become a priority.”

The TTP, known as the Pakistani Taliban, was set up as an umbrella group of militants in 2007.

Its main aim is to topple the US-backed government in Pakistan and impose its austere brand of Islam across the country of 185 million people, although it has also carried out attacks in neighbouring Afghanistan.

The militants intensified their battle against the Pakistani state after an army raid on Islamabad’s Red Mosque in 2007, which had been seized by allies of the group.

Mehsud, believed to be in his mid-30s, took over the Pakistani Taliban in August 2009. He rose to prominence in 2010 when US prosecutors charged him with involvement in an attack that killed seven CIA employees at a US base in Afghanistan.

His profile was raised further when he appeared in a farewell video with the Jordanian suicide bomber who killed the employees.

Reuters interviewed several senior Pakistan military officials as well as tribal elders and locals during a three-day trip with the army in South Waziristan last week, getting rare access to an area that has been a virtual no-go zone for journalists since an army offensive was launched in October 2009.

Three senior military officials said informers in the Pakistani Taliban told them Mehsud was no longer steering the group.

Pakistani Taliban commanders did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the possible leadership change.

US officials said that while Rehman was Mehsud’s natural successor, they cautioned about expecting an imminent transition. Mehsud’s standing in the Pakistani Taliban might have weakened, but he still had followers, they said.

Washington has offered a reward of $5 million for information leading to the capture of either Mehsud or Rehman.

One Pakistan military official, who has served in South Waziristan for more than two years, said his Pakistani Taliban contacts first alerted him to Mehsud’s waning power six months ago, when constant pressure from the Pakistan military, US drone strikes and poor health had hurt his ability to lead.

“Representing the moderate point of view, there is a probability that under Rehman, TTP will dial down its fight against the Pakistani state, unlike Hakimullah who believes in wanton destruction here,” said the military official based in the South Waziristani capital of Wana.

The official said this might lead to more attacks across the border in Afghanistan because Rehman has been pushing for the group’s fighters to turn their guns on Western forces.

Other factions within the Pakistani Taliban such as the Nazir group in South Waziristan and the Hafiz Gul Bahadur faction in North Waziristan have struck peace deals with the Pakistani military while focusing attacks on Western and Afghan forces in Afghanistan.

A change in the Pakistan Taliban’s focus would complicate Western efforts to stabilise Afghanistan before most Nato troops leave by the end of 2014, said Riaz Mohammad Khan, a Pakistani diplomat who has held several posts dealing with Afghanistan.

The United States is already fighting the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network, which is based along the unruly frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan and which is perhaps Washington’s deadliest foe in Afghanistan.

The last thing US-led Nato troops need is a new, formidable enemy in the approach to 2014.

Such a shift in emphasis, however, could reduce the number of suicide bombings that have plagued Pakistan in recent years, scaring off investment needed to prop up an economy that has barely managed to grow since 2007.

At each other’s throats

The Pakistani Taliban, who are close to al Qaeda, remain resilient despite a series of military offensives. They took part in a number of high-profile operations, including an attack on army headquarters in 2009, assaults on military bases, and the attempted assassination of Pakistani schoolgirl Malala Yousufzai in October, who had campaigned for girls’ education.

The Pakistani Taliban were also blamed for the 2008 bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad which killed more than 50 people.

Under Mehsud, the organisation formed complex alliances with other militant groups spread across Pakistan.

But it has long been strained by internal rivalries over strategy. Mehsud has pushed the war with the Pakistani state, while others such as Rehman want the battle to be against US and allied forces in Afghanistan.

“Rehman has even held secret negotiations with the Pakistani government in the past but Hakimullah always stood in his way, wanting to carry on fighting the Pakistani military,” a second Wana-based military official said.

The two were at each other’s throats earlier this year and hostilities were close to open warfare, Taliban sources said.

“Differences within the ranks have only gotten worse, not better, rendering the TTP a much weaker force today than a few years ago,” the second military official said.

A source close to the Taliban told Reuters there had been months of internal talks on the Pakistani Taliban’s decreasing support among locals and fighters in tribal areas where the group has assassinated many pro-government elders.

“The Taliban know they are fighting a public relations war, and under someone like Hakimullah, they will only lose it,” added the source who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

It isn’t clear whether Mehsud will hand over the leadership to Rehman without a fight.

A power struggle could split the group, making it more difficult to recruit young fighters and also disrupt the safe havens in Pakistan used by Afghan militants.

According to accepted practice, a leadership council, or shura, will ultimately decide whether to formally replace Mehsud with Rehman.

Intelligence officials said Mehsud had not commanded any recent operations, including an Aug 16 attack on the Minhas Airbase in Pakistan and a suicide attack on a street market in May that killed 24 people.

Military sources said Rehman planned the April 15 jail break in Bannu in Pakistan that freed 384 prisoners, including an estimated 200 Taliban members and an al Qaeda-linked militant who had attempted to assassinate former president Pervez Musharraf.

Fall from grace

Intelligence officials in the area said Mehsud’s brutality had turned his own subordinates against him, while the more measured Rehman had emerged as the group’s primary military strategist.

“If a leader doesn’t behave like a leader, he loses support. For the longest time now, Hakimullah has done the dirty work while Wali-ur-Rehman is the thinker. Taliban fighters recognise this,” said the first Pakistani military source.

A local elder described Mehsud as “short-tempered and trigger-happy”.

“(Mehsud) used to work 24 hours a day, tirelessly. But he would also put a gun to anyone’s head and kill them for his cause,” said a local shopkeeper who has family members involved in the Pakistan Taliban.

Mehsud gained his reputation fighting with the Afghan Taliban against US and allied forces in Helmand province in Afghanistan. He was later given command of Taliban factions in the Bajaur, Orakzai, Khyber and Kurram regions.

He took over the Pakistani Taliban after a weeks-long succession battle with Rehman following the death of Baitullah Mehsud in a drone strike. The two Mehsuds were not related.

Looks like a planted story, But, the FATA tribes are also known for internecine war.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Charlie » 06 Dec 2012 18:32

Report leaked out, Operation will be launched against JSMM in near future

Go to link to see the leaked report


Note: It is hereby informed that in the under mentioned report, Pakistani Intelligence Agencies have claimed that a meeting of JSMM Taulka Mehar District Dadu was held in which it was decided to destroy a PARCO gas pipeline. We condemn these kinds of fake reports. JSMM didn’t held any meeting in Mehar. Shafi Burfat, Lala Aslam Pathan, Satar Kalhoro, Ishaque Bhurgri, Ilyas Bhurgri, Muzamil Kalhoro(aged 12 years), Doongar Sindhi, they all belong to a sindhi nationalist Party and all are activists of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz. JSMM is the pure Political and revolutionary Party of sindh, which is striving for the freedom of Sindhu Desh. We feel such handmade and fake reports by Pakistani State as they are designed for an operation against JSMM. We also understand this conspiracy as it is being done by Pakistani state institutions and it will result into tortures, punishments and killings to JSMM activists. Being an oppressed nation we feel that freedom is our basic human right. We inform International Community that Pakistan is going to lauch an opperation against JSMM to commit a mass of genocide against sindhi nation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Muns » 06 Dec 2012 19:29

Razed temple highlights Pakistan Hindu woes :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-20582988

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Johann » 06 Dec 2012 19:37

SSridhar wrote:A new Pakistani Taliban chief emerging
The Pakistani Taliban, one of the world’s most feared militant groups, are preparing for a leadership change that could mean less violence against the state but more attacks against US-led forces in Afghanistan, Pakistani military sources said. {Note the origin of this news}

Hakimullah Mehsud, a ruthless commander who has led the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for the last three years, has lost operational control of the movement and the trust of his fighters, said a senior Pakistan army official based in the South Waziristan tribal region, the group’s stronghold.

The organisation’s more moderate deputy leader, Wali-ur-Rehman, 40, is poised to succeed Mehsud, whose extreme violence has alienated enough of his fighters to significantly weaken him, the military sources told Reuters.

Looks like a planted story, But, the FATA tribes are also known for internecine war.


The article itself is probably meant to help tip things in Wali-ur-Rehman's favour in the power struggle. The basic facts of it are true, which is why Wali ur Rehman if anything would be higher than Hakimullah Mehsud on the American targeting list.

There's no question that while Hakimullah wants to fight the PA, even he has moved away from total war. The broad quid pro quo seems to be that they wont target Isloo-Pindi and the generals, and the PA in turn will resist American pressure to go into North Waziristan. No one before the TTP reached out and touched the PA's generals in the same way. But if US drone ops pick up the slack over the next two years to keep the Taliban off balance during the withdrawal of forces, we can expect that agreement to come under severe pressure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Baikul » 06 Dec 2012 19:44

SSridhar wrote:........
Looks like a planted story, But, the FATA tribes are also known for internecine war.


In a previous life saar, I was a fully paid up, reasonably senior member of the DDM. I would bet a lot of money that, for all that it could be true this story is planted, with the reporter knowing it's likely she's been taken for a ride. But, the story's 'too good to let go', she is thus unable or unwilling to do anything about it (to me, some of her other stories show she's not a 'bought and sold journo').

She's writing the story and will claim credit if it's true - it's too big to let go, but she's also making sure she's covering her a$$.

I've been there before, and :oops: :mrgreen: written stories like these.

The following is how I would have written it (in Itals) and how this reporter has written it. BTW you can see the byline at this link:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?fi ... rldupdates

BTW I am assuming that the byline is correct, hence my assumption that the reporter is a she.

Hakimullah Mehsud, a ruthless commander who has led the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for the last three years, has lost operational control of the movement and the trust of his fighters, said a senior Pakistan army official based in the South Waziristan tribal region, the group’s stronghold.


Ok, the problem is that since I'm writing for Reuters, not some bumf@ck news agency out of Peshawar, I can't just write any thing I want or the military tells me; Editorial in Islamabad and Hong Kong (namely Randy Fabi, Michael Georgy and Dean Yates, as you can see at the bottom of the story) will have questions. Better be careful.

So I'll start by saying my source is a 'senior Pakistan army official', no matter if he's actually the ADC to the ADC to the General; they're all army anyway, right?


The organisation’s more moderate deputy leader, Wali-ur-Rehman, 40, is poised to succeed Mehsud, whose extreme violence has alienated enough of his fighters to significantly weaken him, the military sources told Reuters.


Shit, this is getting a little illogical - extreme violence was the reason Mehsud became popular, right? What to do? Nor problem, I will...slip in the name of Mehsud's successor at this stage, and the second claim that he wants to make hot, passionate love to GoP. Of course the matter is so sensitive, we cannot name the official- national security you know?

The TTP, known as the Pakistani Taliban, was set up as an umbrella group of militants in 2007.
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His profile was raised further when he appeared in a farewell video with the Jordanian suicide bomber who killed the employees.


Blah, blah. blah- background information that gives weight to the story after so much bull$hit in the first few paras. Possibly dear old editors Randy Fabi, Michael Georgy and Dean Yates insisted on it or wrote it themselves. Likely it is copy and paste background that is added on to every story on the subject.

Reuters interviewed several senior Pakistan military officials as well as tribal elders and locals during a three-day trip with the army in South Waziristan last week, getting rare access to an area that has been a virtual no-go zone for journalists since an army offensive was launched in October 2009.


Good time to say I interviewed not one! not two! but 'several senior Pakistan military officials' !!! Tribal elders!!! Locals!!! See Daddy, I did my homework!!!

Pakistani Taliban commanders did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the possible leadership change.


Of course not, they are busy killing fellow Pakistanis.

US officials said that while Rehman was Mehsud’s natural successor, they cautioned about expecting an imminent transition. Mehsud’s standing in the Pakistani Taliban might have weakened, but he still had followers, they said.


Those pesky US officials, letting their analysis get in the way of a good story. You know what, they aren't exactly clued in either, based on the cr@p they've pulled before. Gotta add what they said, though, I'm working for Reuters, gotta cover all the bases.

“Rehman has even held secret negotiations with the Pakistani government in the past but Hakimullah always stood in his way, wanting to carry on fighting the Pakistani military,” a second Wana-based military official said.

The two were at each other’s throats earlier this year and hostilities were close to open warfare, Taliban sources said.


Oops, I may have made a mistake there- I said earlier in the story that Taliban were not speaking to me; now it seems they are. Sloppy, sloppy, hope the editorial desk misses this. Maybe I'll claim that Pakistan Taliban did not speak to me, this is the 'good' Taliban..hoep that makes sense later on.

“If a leader doesn’t behave like a leader, he loses support. For the longest time now, Hakimullah has done the dirty work while Wali-ur-Rehman is the thinker. Taliban fighters recognise this,” said the first Pakistani military source.


Back to military sources who claim the successor, the veritable crown price Wali-what-ever is like Rodin's thinker.

A local elder described Mehsud as “short-tempered and trigger-happy”.

“(Mehsud) used to work 24 hours a day, tirelessly. But he would also put a gun to anyone’s head and kill them for his cause,” said a local shopkeeper who has family members involved in the Pakistan Taliban.


I just realized that I've quoted mostly military sources; I'm working for Reuters! I need more diverse sources! Ok how about 'a local elder and a local shopkeeper. Notice they're both 'local', eh, eh? As opposed to a shopkeeper in Islamabad, or a Pakistani Army elder.

By the way, my 'local' sources only say Mehsud is short tempered and brutal...no local source actually said he was losing power to Wali-whosit, not even off the record That could f*ck up my entire story. Hopes no one notices.

Gotta go- bye now.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 06 Dec 2012 21:42

Yes it is a she. She is an assistant editor of the news. A pretty good looking one too. Someone I know has had dealings with her. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Baikul » 06 Dec 2012 21:43

<OT>I'd like to have dealings with her </OT>

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 06 Dec 2012 21:45

One can speculate that hakeemullah is probably in ISI custody. He was seriously injured in a drone strike and captured when he came into civilization for treatment. News reports appeared about this initially but was suppressed soon after.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Chinmayanand » 06 Dec 2012 22:01

Anujan wrote:Yes it is a she. She is an assistant editor of the news. A pretty good looking one too. Someone I know has had dealings with her. :mrgreen:


Engage , mujahids . Lalmullah would like to have her as cousin. :rotfl:
https://twitter.com/mehreenzahra

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 06 Dec 2012 22:10

arun wrote:X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Even during one of the infrequent democratic interregnums, the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan shows that when all is said and done they are the ultimate boss of the country and can bamboozle any civilian:

MI goes door-to-door to get information on journalists

By Mariana Baabar
Wednesday, December 05, 2012
From Print Edition

ISLAMABAD: The Military Intelligence (MI) has initiated a country wide exercise, where they are knocking at the doors of journalists and columnists seeking help in providing them details about themselves in a two-page form in Urdu, for what they say is a verification process. …………………..

It is indeed shocking at the details that the MI is interested in. Apart from the journalist’s name, father’s name, CNIC number and other details easily available from Nadra, it was also obligatory to specify one’s religion and whether one was a Sunni or Shia. If you wished to put Islam in the desired column it was not enough. Details were needed whether one had any strong affiliation with any religious group and if one had been involved in any illegal activity. …………………

The questionnaire, amongst other things, wanted details of spouse, children and their contacts and activities. Contacts and details of brothers but sisters were not needed. The MI also wants to know which foreigners were the journalists meeting and what kind of information exchanged.

Details of cars owned and their details, bank account numbers and their details, tax return number, passport details, the list is endless. ………………….


Read it all in The News:

MI goes door-to-door to get information on journalists



Possibly making a dossier of journalists and their pain points (money, relatives ) in case the TFTAs want to take over and want some journalists silenced. Read it in the context of Army judiciary PPP struggle going on.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Baikul » 06 Dec 2012 22:15

Cross Posted from the Afghanistan News & Discussion thread, apologies if it is a repeat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20627492

Afghan intelligence chief Asadullah Khalid has been wounded in a suspected suicide bombing in Kabul.

The National Directorate of Security (NDS) head was injured in his lower body by the blast, interior ministry officials told the BBC.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Chinmayanand » 06 Dec 2012 22:55

BCCI welcomes Pakistan for series but slams the door on IPL

BCCI is sponsoring terrrorism against India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Chinmayanand » 06 Dec 2012 22:59

US pledges $ 200mn to finance initial work on Diamer Bhasha Dam

Dr Shaikh said the US would provide $ 200 million for completion of preliminary work on the multi-year power generation and water conservation project, which is likely to cost in excess of $ 10 billion.

The ADB and the United States would finance feasibility study, surveys and consortium formation for the dam, to be built in Gilgit-Baltistan in an estimated 8-10 years, he told Washington-based Pakistani journalists.

Pakistan, the finance minister said, would complete land survey, feasibility and land acquisition processes to pave the way for construction of the dam.

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Now pakis must respond in kindness to this gesture through their IT and IED.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Johann » 06 Dec 2012 23:01

Nice take down Baikul!!

The whole article is a manifestation of the PA's desperate hope that Hakeemullah is the only thing that stands in the way of bringing the TTP under control.

The PA has been trying for *years* to persuade the TTP to kill American soldiers instead of Pakistani ones.

Its flattered the TTP, signed agreements with it, supported anti-Taliban groups, tried splitting the TTP, arranged for defections, tried bombing whole towns with the PAF, and tried to get the American drones to hit them as well.

While the overall effect has been to reduce the strategic threat of the TTP to the PA, it has not been able to cure it of its anti-PA orientation.

That is why there are so many well informed Pakistanis are *convinced* that the only reason that Islamists would attack the PA is if they were in the pay of foreign powers.

It doesn't occur to most of them that many of these guys are operating by Pakhtunwali, and seeking revenge for betrayal. Every drone strike that the PAF allows through is a betrayal of the PA profession of Islamic brotherhood. All compounding the original betrayal that allowed American bombers and helicopters through to bring down the Taliban in 2001. It doesn't occur to them that the Punjabi Taliban of the LeJ, SSP, JeM and HuJI had been similarly used and dumped earlier.

There's no question that while Hakimullah wants to fight the PA, even he has moved away from total war. The broad quid pro quo seems to be that they wont target Isloo-Pindi and the generals, and the PA in turn will resist American pressure to go into North Waziristan.

But if US drone ops pick up the slack over the next two years to keep the Taliban off balance during the withdrawal of forces, we can expect that agreement to come under severe pressure, even if this Wali ur Rehman guy is in charge.

And that is why the Sarkari Islamists who do understand are utterly opposed to allowing the drone strikes continue.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Mahendra » 07 Dec 2012 03:00

What if one such failed ghauri is deliberately rigged to land in India to create tension?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby member_22872 » 07 Dec 2012 04:20

^^^ Our missiles are duds anyway, they don't stay the course and are known to have bad navigation problems if and when that happens we will test couple of them, they veer off the course and fall in Islamabad, or who knows one on Dawood another on Saeed or Gul. May be hen we can blame it on IM non-state actors.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 07 Dec 2012 06:08

Chinmayanand wrote:
Anujan wrote:Yes it is a she. She is an assistant editor of the news. A pretty good looking one too. Someone I know has had dealings with her. :mrgreen:


Engage , mujahids . Lalmullah would like to have her as cousin. :rotfl:
https://twitter.com/mehreenzahra


Her latest tweets say a different story, that
- a$$holes in rawalpindi doesnt want to confirm her story
- that hakimullah's strength/influence is constrained due to dronacharya's attacks

Yes the chick is worth indicification

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 07 Dec 2012 06:09



No force in the world can divert India's commitment to pi$$ and prosperity. Both Pakistan and India are victims of terrorism by TSPA. We need to strengthen the democratic forces in Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 07 Dec 2012 07:18

And, being a much larger neighbour, we should be magnanimous and engage the smaller Pakistan through 'unilateral accommodation' of Gujral doctrine.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby CRamS » 07 Dec 2012 08:22

Johann,

Excellent post. I mean I would love to see the day when the Jihadi foot soldiers including LeT realize how they have been used as cannon fodder by the RAPE TSPA/ISI, and then turn on them with a vengeance.

That said, I wounder if you watched the interview with Karzai.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/excl ... arzai-says

He sure does give the Americans a dose of reality distinct from the propaganda about the so called mighty Al Queda that they are fed day in and day out, while the entire DC entire power structure protect the only the terrorist abomination there is: TSPA/ISI


During the interview, Karzai also said that he didn't think al-Qaida "has a presence in Afghanistan."

He added: "I don’t even know if al-Qaida exists as an organization as it is being spoken about. So all we know is that we have insecurity."


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 07 Dec 2012 08:57

Lil birdie tells me that Karzai is willing to hand over Mullah Fazlullah if Pakis are willing to play ball. Expect development on this front soon (or maybe not).


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