Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby MurthyB » 08 Dec 2012 05:15

Anujan wrote:One thing I found is that pakis are super obsessed about India. Some pisko posted here that pakis think they are a province of India which is 100% true.

He seems to be uninterested in Pakistani politics.


Very true. Consider this lal topi wearing well known monkey that likes to barf out diarrhea from his running mouth at India at any and all times. He is currently having problems with the pakistani supreme court. And this causes him to ask plaintively that if he can't find redress for his grievances in pakistan's supreme court, where should he turn, Indian supreme court (at the 21:00-22:00 mark)? For the hated enemy that India is, especially to this orc, it is funny to see him blurt out the 'enemy's institution as his potential savior.

http://www.awaztoday.com/News-Talk-Shows/30141/Q-A-with-PJ-MIr-Exclusive-Interview-with-Zaid-Hamid.aspx

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby sadhana » 08 Dec 2012 05:17

Ajaz Ashraf is an Indian journalist. He wrote a good column on the Mumbai attacks:

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_2

ANALYSIS: How we view Pakistan and its people —Ajaz Ashraf

What leaves us perplexed is the Pakistani state’s failure to grasp the consequences of its India policies — and the alleged use of terror as an instrument of foreign policy — on its own people



He could be a RAW agent in training :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prem » 08 Dec 2012 06:01

Another Inbred BC Doing Kiiiisssiie to make Jinnah Portrait
(Kisssie is familiar term known to Poaqs and this side of Wagha)

The plain Mr DJinnah —Sad Hawfiz


He began his career thinking within an ‘Indian’ framework, in the sense of nationalist opposition to British rule. Later, he renamed India’s Muslim community a ‘nation’ and continued his opposition from a narrower base. His resistance to colonialism, then Hindu majority rule, were both for the sake of liberal values: self-determination and political rights. It is thus entirely possible to read Jinnah in western terms, despite the Muslim label.Jinnah was not averse to turning to religious elements when he desperately needed anything that would bolster support. His critics have tended to focus on this, ignoring the fact that he was only using religion for political purposes — something we have seen elsewhere as well. Jinnah himself was a frequent target of Islamist criticism for being too secular and not being a strong proponent of Islamic religious laws. Jinnah also wanted a secular state and yet Pakistan became an Islamic state.Jinnah had been asking for Partition ever since 1940 but the Congress had resisted. Then with the country becoming ungovernable, their idea was to get the best India and create the worst possible Pakistan. Jinnah had no choice but to accept the Partition as he had asked for it so often. He wanted a bigger Pakistan but he got a smaller Pakistan and the provinces he got were poor. Therefore, Pakistan was a poor country from the start.
Jinnah had big ideas but he never had the time to resolve them at a local level or in any detail. His vision of Pakistan was that it should not be Hindu-dominated or British-dominated and filled with Muslims. But he made few attempts to define what a Muslim nation was.
The communal approach of the Muslim League under the leadership of Jinnah stoked and contributed to the stark horrors, contention and strife of the Partition. Once Pakistan got its independence, Jinnah famously stood up and said that it was to be a liberal democracy that would respect the rights of minorities, including Hindus, Christians and Sikhs. Instead, it has become an Islamic state. Jinnah would not like the Pakistan of today because of the poverty and intolerance
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Charlie » 08 Dec 2012 06:34

National cricket selector Asif Baloch injured in attack



ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s national cricket selector Asif Baloch has been left critically injured after being attacked by armed men in the troubled province of Balochistan. Baloch, a co-opted member of the national selection committee for the last few years who hails from Balochistan, was attacked and shot several times by gunmen while on duty in the Panjgor area of the province on Wednesday. “His condition is not stable as yet and he was flown to Karachi and admitted to the Intensive care unit of a private hospital,” a relative was quoted as saying Friday. Baloch has toured with the Pakistan team as manager and is a senior official in Pakistan Customs. “He could have been the victim of smugglers as he supervised check-posts in the area,” a provincial official said. Asif, a former first-class cricketer, has remained associated with Pakistan cricket in different capacities. His brother, Tariq, is also a member of the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) governing council.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2012 06:41

I wish TTP warns Paki cricketers with dire consequence if they chose to play with Kufr indians.

And fires some warning shots in right direction.

:mrgreen: when Shaitan of baniyas holds believers for ransom, the messengers of Allah release them from the shackles.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Charlie » 08 Dec 2012 06:43

Bious Cricket Ghazis will cheat on and on....You cannot cure Pakistaniat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 08 Dec 2012 07:12

Jhujar wrote:Another Inbred BC Doing Kiiiisssiie to make Jinnah Portrait
[b]Jinnah had big ideas . . .
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The only trouble was that he never revealed what those 'big ideas' were even when he knew that he was not going to be alive for too long.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 07:47

I had posted this a few months back.

Couple of pisko notes about Pakis and their Jinnah pooja.

India has a continuous history and an identity. To top it all, the history of freedom struggle which ended colonialism is a definitive watershed in modern India's creation. Gandhi-ji, who was at the center of this struggle propounded a universal philosophy of unity and peace, which I think is timeless (whether it is practical is another issue).

Pakis sorely miss all this. Pakistan is an artificial construct. They are bunch of converts who hate their history and geography. On top of that, the raisin-dieter of their existence is a fellow who claimed that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together so muslims need their own country. A load of good it did to them as 1971 showed.

"Liberal" Pakistanis, to bring Pakistan's history and founding philosophy on par with India, invent things and pin it on Jinnah (the only fellow of note in Pakistan movement)*. They like to have "non-traditional interpretations" of two nation theory, (passing it off as some sort of philosophy which was actually rooted in care and affection of minorities as Mohsin Hamid tries to pass off here http://tribune.com.pk/story/344536/a-co ... inorities/ and I quote:)

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There are two ways of explaining why Pakistan was created. One is to say that the impulse for Pakistan was a Muslim-nationalist impulse. That is what we are taught in school and probably what most Pakistanis believe. But there is another explanation. And it is this: the drive to form Pakistan was rooted in the notion of minority rights.


Minority rights indeed! Pray tell me how many years since Independence it took them to excommunicate Ahmedis?

Back to the point, liberals try to painstakingly build a halo around Jinnah, claiming that he was some sort of foresighted visionary who struggled for minority rights to establish a country on modern principles. Which ofcourse, is a load of bull. Jinnah was a product of two factors

1. He could not stomach that aristocratic leaders of Indian national congress were replaced by short dark poor people who had mass support.

2. He realized that by extension, democracy would do this to all aristocratic muslims. Their disproportionate representation and divine right to rule would be curtailed if free and fair elections were held. They have to participate in the affairs of the country as any other common Indian. Bahadur Shah Zafar aint coming back as King of India.

Thus all the takleef about separate electorate and the fight with Gandhi and so forth.

Pakistan was founded by a petty minded individual with outsize ego, whose founding thesis was Muslims cannot co-exist with hindus and ergo they needed their own country. He was ready to conspire with the British for this. He was ready to create a geographical monstrosity with no cohesion for this. When a huge turning point in the history of humanity arrived, he did not choose to boldly experiment with unity and democracy in a multicultural society. Instead he chose to feed his ego and displayed his divisive narrow-mindedness. And that is the truth that liberals like Mr Hamdani try to whitewash by talking of "non-traditional interpretation". They can do mental masturbation all they want and write articles along the lines of Did two actually mean one, when Jinnah said "two nation theory?". But the truth is there for all to see. Jinnah said he wanted a country for Muslims, because Muslims cannot co-exist with Hindus. It is reasonable to extrapolate that he was of the opinion that Muslims cannot co-exist with Sikhs and Buddhists and Atheists and Jews. Then why all this takleef that Sikhs didnt join Pakistan? This makes Jinnah divisive and petty minded. Jinnah probably did not believe all the BS he was spouting, but said it anyway, because his ultimate aim was to make sure Muslims had political power and he had a say in the new country and did not get marginalized. This makes Jinnah egostical, hypocriticial *in addition to being* a divisive petty minded fellow. No matter how much you try to whitewash him.

This is Pisko post part 1, part 2 is to follow.

*Atleast conservative Pakis are intellectually honest in the sense that they accept that their country was founded in the spirit of hatred for Hindus. The actual truth is neither. Neither was Jinnah interested in minority welfare nor did the major movers and shaker fatcats found a country based on hatred for Hindus. They wanted a country where they can retain their lands, not have land reforms, continue to rule and continue oppressing mango abduls. The mango abduls and the Mullahs were simply fed a diet of "Islam Khatrey mein hai", given money and training. And now those mango abduls and Mullahs eventually took over and are Qadrifying the fatcats.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby CRamS » 08 Dec 2012 08:16

Sushupti wrote:
Dealing with Pakistan’s brinkmanship

Shyam Saran

Islamabad’s expanding nuclear capability is no longer driven solely by its oft-cited fears of India but by the paranoia about U.S. attacks on its strategic assets

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/de ... epage=true
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So what is SaranJi's prescription to deal with TSP's brinkmanship? Go complain to Uncle? Uncle will say fine, best solution is both of you become nuke nude and be my good munnas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby kenop » 08 Dec 2012 08:42

A bit dated. Nothing much new for BRF. Posting it as it comes from the Indian left.
http://www.newsclick.in/international/fundamentalists-pakistani-polity-and-state-deep-and-engrained-aijaz-ahmad
Aijaz Ahmad, senior political analyst, comments on the assassinations of Salman Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti in Pakistan. He focuses on the collusion between the security establishment, the democratic polity and the fundamentalists in the country. He also comments on the "Davis affair" -- suggesting that it is an outcome of a game played between the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

On penetration of the security agencies by the fundoos
What you have found, under the PPP, under Zardari’s rule, is that in fact these very forces are acting in a way that they never could under Musharraf. Musharraf actually sent the army against that famous madrassa in Islamabad.

On Davis affair
There appears to be a turf war between ISI and CIA. What his mission was, we don’t know. The ISI, I’m sure knows where he was going. The suggestion is that he was going on some mission to help or assist Pakistani Taliban. That is one suggestion that has been made. The implication being that the Pakistani Taliban are in some way connected to the CIA. This story, I think, has come from the ISI.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Johann » 08 Dec 2012 08:54

Anujan wrote:*Atleast conservative Pakis are intellectually honest in the sense that they accept that their country was founded in the spirit of hatred for Hindus. The actual truth is neither. Neither was Jinnah interested in minority welfare nor did the major movers and shaker fatcats found a country based on hatred for Hindus. They wanted a country where they can retain their lands, not have land reforms, continue to rule and continue oppressing mango abduls. The mango abduls and the Mullahs were simply fed a diet of "Islam Khatrey mein hai", given money and training. And now those mango abduls and Mullahs eventually took over and are Qadrifying the fatcats.


Well said, that is *exactly* why the landlords of Pakjab switched support from the anti-Partition Unionist Party to the Muslim League in the 1940s. The INC made it clear that land reform would be a top priority.

But the Mohajirs of UP who were the strongest supporters of the Pakistan idea were less worried about land and more concerned about the identity and culture wars. Their memory is of the post-1857 rise of Hindi and the eclipse of Hindusthani/Urdu. They assumed that India would be ruled by the sentiments of movements like the Arya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha, and function in a completely majoritarian fashion, culturally, legally and politically. They didn't imagine a UP where people like Laloo Yadav can not hold onto power without an alliance between Muslims and particular caste groups.

At the end of the day both the Pakjabi landlords and the Mohajirs supported Pakistan out of shared a fear of consultative and representative government, which is why Pakistan has had so much difficulty making democracy work. That is why the Pakistani Army is as defined as its consistent willingness to screw over the majority of Pakistanis as it is by fear and loathing for power in the hands of Hindus.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby svenkat » 08 Dec 2012 09:29

They wanted a country where they can retain their lands, not have land reforms, continue to rule and continue oppressing mango abduls.


Long time back,I read a book called 'Decline and Fall of the Hindu Rule in Punjab' by CV Vaidya(If I remember right).

I will summarise the insights.
1)In Mahabharatha,Yudhishtra asks Salya(the King of Madra Desha) as to why Brahma vartha has fallen into bad days.He gives the list of litany-Vedic learning is disregarded,the food habits are unclean,etc etc..Salya diplomatically says that good and bad are found everywhere.

CV Vaidya opines over a period of centuries,because of northwestern influx,Punjab lost its hindu bearings.

2)Fast forward to 10th century CE.The Hindu kings of Punjab offered their blood in the path of muslim marauders.Yet after they were defeated,the 'rajputs' of Pakjab converted.

CV Vaidya notes that ultimately any religious system survives only when people are faithful to its values.The pakjabis had no problem in converting to protect their villages,land and property as already their faith was weak.

In India too there was feudalism which was aligned to Hindu traditions.It was not easy for a Maharana of Udaipur to 'give up' his kingdom.The Maharajahs of Mysore and Travancore governed their kingdoms well by the standard of their age.But Hindu society itself was opting for change.

Thats why we see a VP Singh or Amarsingh and also a Digvijay Singh/Karan Singh type in Indian politics.

In pakistan we see a 'dead' feudal class with nothing more than loyalty to 'pind' overlaid with a dead faith and terrified with the prospect of a monstrous taliban taking over potahar .

PS:The Sikh faith arose from the khatri class which still had some lingering ancient kshatriya ideals as opposed to a 'rajput feudalism'.Punjab is the only state with both a khatri and rajput caste.The ancient Sanatana Dharma had a fresh lease of life from the Sikh panth.Much of our Punjabs tensions can be understood in terms of the weak orthodox sanatana dharma and the vital sikh panth,its subsequent decline and re-engineering by briturds.
They assumed that India would be ruled by the sentiments of movements like the Arya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha, and function in a completely majoritarian fashion, culturally, legally and politically. They didn't imagine a UP where people like Laloo Yadav can not hold onto power without an alliance between Muslims and particular caste groups.



***** mindset for all to see. (Edited by JE Menon. I guess you realize you are calling a member of long standing who has always maintained decorum a piece of shit. Caution advised).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 09:33

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1370751.ece
Interesting headline. NGO refuses free legal aid to Lashkar-e-Taiba activist Abu Jundal

"Activist"?! Why didnt they call him Lashkar-e-Taiba charity worker or better still, Lashkar-e-Taiba diplomat or Lashkar-e-Taiba organizer?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 08 Dec 2012 09:35

CRamS wrote:So what is SaranJi's prescription to deal with TSP's brinkmanship? Go complain to Uncle? Uncle will say fine, best solution is both of you become nuke nude and be my good munnas.

CRS, when it comes to Pakistan's nuclear brinkmanship, India may not be able to do much. That is a fact that we have to accept. As Shyam Saran says, the levers for controlling this brinkmanship are with the US & PRC. I am doubtful if even the US has much leverage now that more warheads, TNWs and widespread dispersal have been seen as worthwhile tactics by a reckless TSP to avenge kafir India. {It is my belief that while these may be true, the picture is being magnified manifold for ulterior motives by the non-proliferation lobby in the US to cut India to size}

What Shyam Saran is saying that TSP is about to bite the hands that have fed it so far, namely the US & PRC and they seem oblivious to the danger.

He is also saying the opposite of what you are saying. That is, de-nuclearization attempts, by painting a picture of 'fearsome Pakistan' would not work with India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 09:39

From TFT such gup :mrgreen:

Earlier this week when a religious scholar was killed in a revenge attack in Karachi, his followers went on a rampage and destroyed public property, amongst which was a liquor store. However, against all expectations, the attackers did not destroy the merchandise but broke open the store and very carefully carried away all the alcoholic beverages.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 08 Dec 2012 10:24

TTP is Hiring Now through Facebook
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan has created a Facebook page to recruit writers for a planned quarterly magazine and to work on video editing and translation.

The Umar Media TTP page, with nearly 290 likes, had a message posted on November 22 seeking writers for “Ahyah-e-Khilafat”. “Dear brothers and sisters, ‘Pen is mightier than the sowrd (sic)’ Now you have a chance to use this mighty weapon,” it said. Prospective contributors can write on “on topic of your choice, or on jihadi current affairs, history, Islamic movements, plight of ummah, etc etc”, the message adds. The job “discription (sic) is video editing, translations, sharing, uploading, downloading and collection of required data”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Baikul » 08 Dec 2012 10:30

SSridhar wrote:TTP is Hiring Now through Facebook
............... “Dear brothers and sisters, ‘Pen is mightier than the sowrd......


So many responses, so little time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prasad » 08 Dec 2012 10:32

SSridhar wrote:TTP is Hiring Now through Facebook
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan has created a Facebook page to recruit writers for a planned quarterly magazine and to work on video editing and translation.

‘Pen is mightier than the sowrd (sic)’ Now you have a chance to use this mighty weapon,” it said.


Not AK?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby brihaspati » 08 Dec 2012 11:05

Its possible for Pakis to become humanized a little - with a little help from Indics (a Buddhist wife may suffice)
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-innocent-prophet-2012-11
"Originally I'm from Pakistan. I was a Muslim. I was born as a Muslim in a Muslim country in a Muslim family in a Muslim society," Firasat told us. A decision to move in with his Buddhist wife, however, apparently led to harassment — Firasat says he was detained by police and tortured. The couple eventually fled to Spain.

Angered by his experience, Firasat began blogging and giving interviews denouncing Islam. Before long, he says, he was getting death threats and was attacked physically. He decided to leave Spain, and, somewhat bizarrely, fled to his wife's homeland in Indonesia, despite it being the country with the largest number of Muslims on earth. More legal trouble ensued in Indonesia, as Firasat says he was detained for blasphemy. Fearing for his life, he paid a bribe to police to escape back to Spain.

Although it could seem like Firasat has a personal vendetta against the Muslim world (he recently became somewhat notorious in the country for an attempt to ban the Qu'ran), he says that his decision to make this film was directly related to the death of U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens in Libya in September. He saw the film as an act of defiance.

"I decided on the moment when I heard about the American ambassador being killed... I will make a movie." Firasat told us. "Ok, you do violence, we will still make more movies... One day one [of us] has to lose," he said.

Firasat is funding the movie himself, and admits he doesn't even have the money for an "Innocence of Muslim"-type dramatized film — however crude. Instead, the film is largely done with voice-over and images, and seeks to show the "real Mohammad" that he feels Muslims around the world don't understand.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby svenkat » 08 Dec 2012 12:07

I will explain the '****' remark.

The Hindus of UP wanted Hindi to be an additional language(in Nagari script) in the courts.Even this was opposed fiercely by muslims.Anyway urdu is derived from 'horde'.And whats this 'decline' of Urdu?

Similarly in Punjab,while there was no overt muslim hostility to hindus during British rule and British did strongly support jutt sikhs,there was no meeting point on political aspirations.The Punjabi Hindus of the Congress saw themselves as Indians looking forward to the new age.The musulmans were tied to the apron strings of British.The Sikhs were confused as they had the 'strongest punjabi affliations' because of natural and British engineered reasons.Even then the Sikhs were closer to Congress than the Unionists.Why didnt the Unionists convince the jutt sikhs to stay back in West Punjab.Because the Sikhs knew from memory,what was in store in a muslim majority society.

If just an innocuous non-entity like J can peddle such BS in BRF,think of the cold war warriors in Dupleecity and the sahibs in whitehall.

The muslims fear was not of majoritarianism.It was contempt/disdain/hatred of the majority.It is this delusionism,denial of past and present that is their defining condition.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby rajanb » 08 Dec 2012 14:22

At the end of it all, what was going to be a muslim haven for the muslims of S. Asia is actually nothing but a refugee camp for them. They have lost the plot. Thanks to their own machinations.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Lilo » 08 Dec 2012 18:58

brihaspati wrote:Its possible for Pakis to become humanized a little - with a little help from Indics (a Buddhist wife may suffice)
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-innocent-prophet-2012-11
"Originally I'm from Pakistan. I was a Muslim. I was born as a Muslim in a Muslim country in a Muslim family in a Muslim society," Firasat told us. A decision to move in with his Buddhist wife, however, apparently led to harassment — Firasat says he was detained by police and tortured. The couple eventually fled to Spain.
...............

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Nice find Bji,

His blog -->> http://mundosinislam.com/english/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Arjun » 08 Dec 2012 19:35

Johann wrote: They assumed that India would be ruled by the sentiments of movements like the Arya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha, and function in a completely majoritarian fashion, culturally, legally and politically.

If you look at things logically, fear of majoritarianism makes sense only when the majority is interested in pushing a dogma or illiberal belief of some sort. I wouldn't try and whitewash the Muslim mindset of the times by terming it as some kind of 'fear of majoritarianism' (this is standard commie-speak in India)...'fear of liberalism' or 'fear of modernity' would probably be more apt descriptions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 08 Dec 2012 19:45

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 534182.cms

Chief WKK excels himself...it is not just give up Kashmir anymore, it is give up India itself and surrender to fanatic barbaric animalism and its Beijing masters..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2012 20:09

^
YYY conspiracy only.

Akhandbharat is RSS agenda. What next, Katju demands that all Muslims of subcontinent convert to Hinduism and be grouped uner one lower caste?

Is Katju more intelligent and visionary that Jinnah who said Muslims cannot live with Hindus and is more political than Nehru/MKG who agreed for partition and more nationalistic than BR Ambedkar who said Muslims cannot be trusted and should not be part of India?

I smell Brahminism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 08 Dec 2012 20:21

A picture of the corps commander's meeting of TSPA...one barbaric animal and one semi-barbaric animal...rest are clean shaven taqqiya-jehadis

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/reconciliati ... s-efforts/

Praise be to Allah, in a few years time it will be full of beards..when Zia's chickens come home to roost..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 08 Dec 2012 20:25

RamaY wrote:^
I smell Brahminism.


No you can smell Marxism...Bring back Mughal era glory of Hindus slaving under Islamic fanatic rulers and paying jizya is the dream of every leftie because that destroys the country and makes it vulnerable to occupation by Beijing and its puppets..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RajeshA » 08 Dec 2012 21:19

Suppiah wrote:A picture of the corps commander's meeting of TSPA...one barbaric animal and one semi-barbaric animal...rest are clean shaven taqqiya-jehadis

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/reconciliati ... s-efforts/

Praise be to Allah, in a few years time it will be full of beards..when Zia's chickens come home to roost..


Bunch of pot-bellies, grown fat on cement, land and pakorey!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby CRamS » 08 Dec 2012 22:31

SSridhar wrote:What Shyam Saran is saying that TSP is about to bite the hands that have fed it so far, namely the US & PRC and they seem oblivious to the danger.


I think SaranJi is wrong by saying US/China are oblivious to the danger TSP poses. I think they fully understand TSP, and know that TSP's obsession is only India. Hence they are not that worried about TSP turning on them anytime soon. Plus, even if TSP were to, both US/China, in a spirit of bi-partisanship will annihilate TSP. And TSP knows better not to mess with them beyond a certain limit. SaranJi missed mentioning that despite all that has gone on 10+ years when TSP perfidy is there for all to see, we just saw US resuming India-specific military aid to TSP. I think strategists like SaranJi instead of indulging in wishful thinking about TSP and US/China falling in each other's bad books, must devise strategies for India by itself to deal with TSP. At the very least, I would expect he and other educate Indian public on the US's perfidy first and foremost. I know its easier said than done, India needs US more than US needs India, and India probably does have its strategy to deal with TSP's nuke/terror brinkmanship, but other than aman ki tamasha which is surrender by another name, I've haven't see it.

He is also saying the opposite of what you are saying. That is, de-nuclearization attempts, by painting a picture of 'fearsome Pakistan' would not work with India.


How are you so sure saar about this? Had I said India's response to 26/11 will be aman ki tamasha a week after 26/11 when anger was running high, would you have believed me? Yet, thats the disgusting spectacle we are witnessing.

With nothing to loose, can you discount a very plausible scenario where TSP orchestrates a terror attack, blames it on RSS along with DDM and western media, India gets furious and even before India thinks of retaliating, TSP goes bersek, talks about imminent Indian invasion and launches a few nukes. You can then be rest assured that there will be a crescendo of ire directed against India, believe it nor not, for this nuclear attack by TSP on India, the white west will call for a ceasefire to de-nuke and "resolve all disputes" in "South Asia", and do you think there are enough nationalist bones in India to withstand this west-orchestrated vivisection of India as we know it? I mean show me a single aggressive move by India in the past decade plus since Pokhran-II and shooting down of TSP's navy aircraft a few years ago, that will lend you to believe that India can stand up to a well choreographed plot by TSP-US-China-Indian_5th_columnists axis along these lines. This scenario is any day more probably that SaranJi's analysis on the ostensible threat TSP poses to US/China with its nuke brinkmanship.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby sadhana » 08 Dec 2012 22:35

Johann wrote:But the Mohajirs of UP who were the strongest supporters of the Pakistan idea were less worried about land and more concerned about the identity and culture wars. Their memory is of the post-1857 rise of Hindi and the eclipse of Hindusthani/Urdu. They assumed that India would be ruled by the sentiments of movements like the Arya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha, and function in a completely majoritarian fashion, culturally, legally and politically. They didn't imagine a UP where people like Laloo Yadav can not hold onto power without an alliance between Muslims and particular caste groups.


While I agree with your points in general, I differ on some specific points. While Muslims of UP were likely genuinely worried about Urdu which was the then-prevailing language of literature, courts and business, they were scarcely unaware that only a tiny percentage of Indians used it.

This was what BR Ambedkar wrote in the 1940s in Pakistan or the Partition of India about Urdu.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... n/411.html
In the controversy that went on between Mr. Jinnah and the Congress in the year 1938, Mr. Jinnah was asked to disclose his demands, which he refused to do. But these demands have come to the surface in the correspondence that passed between Pandit Nehru and Mr. Jinnah in the course of the controversy, and they have been tabulated by Pandit Nehru in one of his letters to Mr. Jinnah. His tabulation gives the following items as being matters of disputes and requiring settlement:—

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(10) Muslims want Urdu to be the national language of India and they desire to have statutory guarantees that the use of Urdu shall not be curtailed or damaged.

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Their claim for the recognition of Urdu as the national language of India is equally extravagant. Urdu is not only not spoken all, over India but is not even the language of all the Musalmans of India. Of the 68 millions of Muslims,/19/ only 28 millions speak Urdu. The proposal of making Urdu the national language means that the language of 28 millions of Muslims is to be imposed particularly upon 40 millions of Musalmans or generally upon 322 millions of Indians.


On closer examination many of the 'demands' of Muslim League appear to be irresponsible and irrational(25% Muslims must have equality with all others) and manufactured outrage(the wailing over Urdu). I am forced to recall Churchill writing about Hitler : that he advised the Sudetan Germans of Czechoslovakia to set their demands so high that Czech leaders could not accept them without dissolving their state or committing political suicide. Jinnah followed similar tactics in the 1930s and 1940s if not earlier.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 22:37

The news Pakistan screams out

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-78730-Zeeshan-served-glass-of-acid-in-India

Pakistan blind cricket team captain Zeeshan Abbasi was made to drink a glass of acid during breakfast in India, Geo News reported on Saturday here. The captain, who is leading national blind side in Twenty-20 World Cup Cricket Tournament for the blind at Bangalore, was apparently made to drink the hazardous liquid as the acid glass was served during breakfast right in front of partially blind Zeeshan Abbasi. “Abbasi is not feeling well, his health is worsening,” he told the media.


Official Pakistan blind cricket association says that a bottle of diluted soap solution for cleaning was kept on the table, which the cricketer took a sip from.

Meanwhile WKKs see anti-Muslim tendency in India and Jalebi madam has concluded that he is in a coma and Pakistan should launch all nuclear missiles

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 23:31

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ban ... 177965.ece

The Hindu reports:

Mr. Biswajith Chakraborty, the GM of Move N Pick hotel, told the media that the soap detergent was being used to clean window glass panes at the hotel. Mr. Abbasi consumed two sips, and later complained to the hotel management. It could not be confirmed if the liquid was placed at the team's breakfast table, or if Mr. Abbasi picked up the bottle elsewhere....The hospital bulletin said the patient was brought with a “history of soreness of throat following consumption of 2 sips of white liquid accidentally”. An endoscopy carried out on the patient was reported as normal with the patient fully conscious and his vitals stable. He was discharged after about seven hours of hospitalisation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby nachiket » 08 Dec 2012 23:35

Anujan wrote:Official Pakistan blind cricket association says that a bottle of diluted soap solution for cleaning was kept on the table, which the cricketer took a sip from.

Hain? Soap solution would be basic not acidic.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anujan » 08 Dec 2012 23:38

Not if drunk by the momeen.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Johann » 09 Dec 2012 00:15

Arjun wrote:
Johann wrote: They assumed that India would be ruled by the sentiments of movements like the Arya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha, and function in a completely majoritarian fashion, culturally, legally and politically.

If you look at things logically, fear of majoritarianism makes sense only when the majority is interested in pushing a dogma or illiberal belief of some sort. I wouldn't try and whitewash the Muslim mindset of the times by terming it as some kind of 'fear of majoritarianism' (this is standard commie-speak in India)...'fear of liberalism' or 'fear of modernity' would probably be more apt descriptions.


Arjun, all minorities everywhere fear for cultural survival and political rights.

But in the case of the ML it was supported by once highly privileged minority in decline and facing empowered sections that they fear are looking for payback.

The Muslim League's supporters in the UP didn't fear liberal pluralism of Independent India. Rather they convinced themselves that such a thing couldn't exist in a Hindu majority democratic India.

Hindus they assumed would (a) always first and foremost vote as Hindus (b) national culture in these conditions would become completely unitary with no room for Muslim expression as Muslims.

Two assumptions that have proved completely wrong. To paraphrase they expected India to be the Hindu version of what became Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby sadhana » 09 Dec 2012 00:42

Johann
The Muslim League's supporters in the UP didn't fear liberal pluralism of Independent India. Rather they convinced themselves that such a thing couldn't exist in a Hindu majority democratic India.


I would believe that it was as simple as that too but Pakistanis refused to accept Hindus as a minority voting with or being in the same party as Muslims in a Muslim majority situation (after creation of Pakistan).

Exhibit 1 was Jinnah refusing to open Muslim League membership to non-Muslims post Partition.

Exhibit 2 was the West Pakistani whining about East Pakistani Hindus voting for the Awami League in joint electorates in 1970.

Let us just admit a commonality that runs through Pak choices - in line with the Taliban and the Jamat i Islami, the Muslim League and Jinnah did not believe in liberal pluralism period, because they consider(ed) it an existential threat to themselves. Their politics requires(ed) them to frame every issue as such.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby CRamS » 09 Dec 2012 01:08

Johann,

As I keep reminding you, we will have to wait several years hence for some Pulitzer prize winning journalist to tell us the real truth and reasons thereof, about US protecting its TSP munna when it is so self evident that TSP is the cause of all the problems in AfPak. We all know who orchestrated this latest attack on Afghan intelligence chief is by TSP, even Karzai cannot hold himself back

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/12/ ... an.html?hp


"Apparently the Taliban claimed responsibility like many other attacks but such a complicated attack and a bomb hidden inside his body, this is not Taliban work," Karzai said.

"It's a completely professional (job) ... Taliban cannot do that and there are bigger and professional hands involved in it."

Karzai said the issue would be discussed next week with Pakistani officials during a meeting between the foreign ministers of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkey in Ankara.

The attack on Khalid was almost a carbon copy of last year's assassination of Afghanistan's chief peace negotiator, Burhanuddin Rabbani.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby krisna » 09 Dec 2012 03:19

Pakistan 'expanding nuclear arsenal to deter US attack'
Asia's triangular arms race has traditionally reflected the rivalries between India and China and India and Pakistan, but according to an influential former adviser to Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, Pakistan now regards the United States as a potential threat.

n an article for The Hindu newspaper, Shyam Saran said Islamabad had invested in a new generation of plutonium-based warheads, increased the size range of its arsenal, and improved the accuracy of its missiles.

But according to Mr Saran, Islamabad's burgeoning nuclear arsenal is increasingly aimed at deterring its fractious ally in the war on terror, the United States. Its fear that Washington may strike to wipe out Pakistan's nuclear capability dates back to just after the 9/11 attacks when then President Musharraf said it had been warned to support the war on terror or face being "bombed back to the stone age."

Lieutenant-General Talat Masood, a retired senior Pakistan Army commander and nuclear expert, said Mr Saran's claims had some truth in them. "I would not say it [Pakistan's growing nuclear capability] was meant to counter America – that would be suicidal. But there has always been a fear in Pakistan's strategic community and government, in the recent past, a feeling that America is unfavourably inclined towards our nuclear programme and if things got worse it could neutralise our nuclear weapons capability, go after them," he said.



tsp now a wannabe super duper powah. all the faithfools can rally behind it.
how long uncle. :wink:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Mahendra » 09 Dec 2012 03:25

I think the soap solution was too dilute if it couldnt clean the Pawki's inner pakistaniyat.

Basically the partially sighted pawki had 2 sips of soap solution and decided to blame his mistake on his hosts

Moral of the story

A blind Pawki is still a Pawki

I bet the Pawki wouldnt have been complaining if the same soap solution was administered via rectum at an American or Chinese airport or prior to a gubo session

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby anupmisra » 09 Dec 2012 04:23

I realize that the paki cricketer was partially blind but was he devoid of olfactory senses as well? That window cleaner smells, for crying out loud! What was he thinking before he took that second sip?

Sir, these lentils surely have something black.


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