Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby maitya » 18 Dec 2012 15:10

CRamS wrote:I don't know about M.J.Akbar's stance on Aman Ki Tamasha, but if did support MMS's surrender then its disingenuous to criticize MMS now because this is precisely the out come one would have expected. And the very premise of Aman Ki Tamasha is "looking to the future" meaning 26/11 is history. MMS's minions have to make some noises about 26/11 but thats only for some public consumption. In other words, one cannot support Aman Ki Tamasha and expect any other outcome, TSP is not going to surrender at the altar of this piss process what it was not forced to do prior to the piss process. So while M.J.Akbar makes sense, I need to know his position on Aman Ki Tamasha before praising him.

CRS, here's a take from another one of the proponents of Aman Ki Tamasha and an uber WKK - some nuggets which should give an idea about this nonsense that's going on ... posting in full:
Beyond Malik’s gaffe-prone visit
Only when the dust raised by Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik’s gaffe-prone visit to New Delhi settles down will the contours of what it actually achieved to strengthen bi-lateral ties begin to emerge. This is unlikely to happen soon for Malik’s provocative statements have incensed Indian public opinion. He spoke of the demolition of the Babri masjid, the Samjhauta Express bomb blasts and the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in the same breath; he made obscene comments on the death of Capt. Saurab Kalia in Kargil; he claimed that Abu Jundal, a Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist, was working for an Indian intelligence agency; and, not least, he reiterated that India had not provided hard enough evidence to prosecute Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind behind the Mumbai terror attacks.

The Pakistan Interior Minister subsequently tried to make amends by clarifying that his statements had been misrepresented in the media but these are not going to easily undo the initial damage. Those utterances, it is clear, were aimed at Malik’s domestic constituency including, in the first place, the army establishment whose intelligence wing continues to protect jihadist outfits in the country that serve its purpose.
Routine judicial delays alone cannot explain the fact that Pakistani courts have not been able to convict the accused in terror-related incidents that have taken place even on that country’s soil. To expect them to prosecute the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks is therefore akin to chasing a chimera. Moreover, Malik, who has also to keep in mind the impending general elections in Pakistan, could not afford to be seen to be ‘soft’ on India especially as a guest of the country. He thus stuck to a well-rehearsed script.

Against this background, New Delhi has responded to the Interior Minister’s remarks with a judicious mix of toughness and pragmatism. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has left him in no doubt that he will not visit Pakistan unless there is a clear movement forward in the prosecution of the accused in the Mumbai blasts. The Home Ministry too has shown him his place by pointedly refusing to issue a joint statement and indeed by calling his claim about Abu Jundal ‘ridiculous.’

Alongside, however, an agreement has been reached for a Pakistan judicial commission to visit India to cross-examine the 26/11 witnesses and for our National Investigative Agency to visit Islamabad in mid-January. Add to this the signing of a liberal visa regime and the prospects of enhanced trade relations between the two countries. Malik’s visit has by no means eclipsed the ‘asha’ for ‘aman.’

This should become in more and more obvious the coming days. One pointer would be the outcome of the current visit of the moderate faction of the Hurriyat to Pakistan. Its head, Mirwaiz Omar Farooq, has been urging India and Pakistan to facilitate a hassle-free movement of people and goods across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir. And he has called on Islamabad to insist that Kashmiris – meaning his separatist faction - must be treated as privileged interlocutors to settle the Kashmir ‘dispute.’

On the first score the prospects are reasonably bright. On the latter score however New Delhi can engage with the Mirwaiz only if his Hurriyat faction abjures separatism. Whether his Pakistani hosts make him see reason is still a matter of speculation. Much depends on how far the army establishment is prepared to go to place strong ties with India ahead of its so-called strategic interests in J & K. It is significant that Rehman Malik never mentioned the ‘K’ word during his visit. But one must not clutch this straw in the wind.

The reason is simply this: the Pakistani army still nurtures the hope that the forthcoming withdrawal of Western forces from Afghanistan will enhance its bargaining position with Washington. In return for its willingness to ensure that Afghanistan remains stable and united in the post-withdrawal phase, it will doubtless expect some sort of a quid pro quo from the Americans. And that could be American pressure on India to make tangible progress to settle the Kashmir ‘dispute’ in order to re-deploy Pakistani troops along the Afghan border.

Nothing – not even a substantial role for India in Afghanistan – can allow New Delhi to succumb to this pressure, especially as the much-battered UPA-II readies for the general elections. What the government can do – and indeed what it is already doing to some extent – is to take baby-steps to mend fences with Pakistan and to engage with stake-holders in Jammu and Kashmir to address all issues of interest and concern to its people squarely within the Constitution of India.

This means jettisoning all shades of separatism, upholding the special status the state enjoys under Article 370, devolving real powers to the regions and sub-regions, seeking the rehabilitation of communities forced to flee their homes, especially the Pandits, and making the LoC redundant in all but the name. This also means that the Pakistani army gives up its self-defeating policy of using the terrorist outfits it supports to create mayhem in J & K. A tall order? Sure. But the alternative – a stalemate – can be even more self-defeating. Rehman Malik’s visit could well be seen in retrospect as one of the many pieces of a puzzle falling in place.

Specially the last line ...
A tall order? Sure. But the alternative – a stalemate – can be even more self-defeating. Rehman Malik’s visit could well be seen in retrospect as one of the many pieces of a puzzle falling in place.

Sure he doesn't explain, what does India loose by taking a tougher stance of atleast severing all diplomatic and "people-to-people" contact nonsense with them. The all powerful army there will continue to dictate their blood-thirsty actions against India anyway - so why is it "even more self defeating" for taking such a stance in the first place. Surely, he doesn't want to us to believe that because of this Aman Ki Asha and other surrendering posture, they will not ask for a " quid pro quo from the Americans" wrt a Kashmir solution favorably to them.

Still, IMO it does give a rare glimpse of the rational/logic/whatever-you-call-it that's driving the current set of actions/utterings of GoI and also atleast some of the wkk crowd, don't you think?
SSridhar, Shiv et all your views pls.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 18 Dec 2012 15:12

Pakistan eradicates polio workers

dawn.com/2012/12/18/gunmen-kill-four-female-polio-workers-in-karachi/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby vina » 18 Dec 2012 18:59

Pakistan eradicates polio workers

South Asia is a victim of terrorism. Such acts of terrorism will setback efforts to eradicate polio from South Asia.

Islam is a religion of peace. No true Muslim will kill innocent women. Hence the perpetrators of this act cannot be true Muslims and Taliban, but rather Yankees, Yindus and Yahudis acting in a false flag operation to bring disrepute to the faithful.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Brad Goodman » 18 Dec 2012 19:15

There is a picture in dawn of blood stained polio eradication manual can some one embedded the pic in here for reference
http://dawn.com/2012/12/18/gunmen-kill- ... n-karachi/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby CRamS » 18 Dec 2012 19:58

maitya,

Thx. I read that from the interlocutor. He calls Mirwaiz fukroo a "moderate". I don't know how these terminologies evolve and stick. The b#^%stard was in TSP just the other day affirming those bogus UN resolutions. He also falls into this trap of appearing to be tough on TSP in one breath, and in the next says there is no alternative to Aman ki Tamasha. But for the most part, he at least lays out the premises. US mischief is another things that needs to be watched for as AfPak unfolds.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby lakshmikanth » 18 Dec 2012 20:59

Sushupti wrote:Bhaijaan, Show It To Me Under The Sheets

Ogling, say many, is the real national sport in Pakistan. Boys do it, girls do it...creating a sexually charged environment.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283313


And while you are at it bhaijan, please dont make too much noise, coz it may wake up our ammi-jan and abbu-jan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 18 Dec 2012 21:05

Sushupti wrote:Bhaijaan, Show It To Me Under The Sheets

Ogling, say many, is the real national sport in Pakistan. Boys do it, girls do it...creating a sexually charged environment.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283313


India should export more acid so Paki parents can protect their H&D and fight shaitaan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby nachiket » 18 Dec 2012 21:26

vina wrote:
Pakistan eradicates polio workers

South Asia is a victim of terrorism. Such acts of terrorism will setback efforts to eradicate polio from South Asia.

Unfortunately, that may be literally true, if we let Polio infected pakis into India with this "liberal" visa regime and destroy decades of hard work.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Neela » 18 Dec 2012 22:25

That Friedman article - what condescending tripe! The sooner we get over this nonsense , the better for us.

Sure, India still has its governance problems and its Muslims still face discrimination. Nevertheless, "democracy matters," argues Tufail Ahmad, the Indian Muslim who directs the South Asia Studies Project at the Middle East Media Research Institute, because "it is democracy in India that has, over six decades, gradually broken down primordial barriers -- such as caste, tribe and religion -- and in doing so opened the way for all different sectors of Indian society to rise through their own merits, which is what Ibrahim did."

No one has any issues lecturing to us. And my, if I had a paisa every time one such came up. Do we really need the above after a 1000 years of giving refuge to persecuted lots? The core ideals of democracy are mutual respect and tolerance and we need no lectures from no one, NO ONE, on that!

I could be over reacting here but that article seems to give me the impression that the US is telling the Muslim Brotherhood to behave like India and not like Pakistan. And in doing so, the US seems to be the judge of things. Say who the peck are these fellas . They cant get basic gun control in order and have seen violent school shooting again and again - these guys moral policing rest of the world? :roll:

We seem to want to please everyone with our behavior. And we take it even further and empathize with our mortal enemies. A misplaced sense of righteousness has set in. It is for this reason , that we allowed a scum Paki to dictate the show, and behave like a wild dog even when we were the hosts.

In all this, there is a fundamental difference in the approaches countries take. The US uses drones, the Pakis terrorists and India dossiers. Yes, every one talks with one another, but everyone also has a option to use violence except India.
We have to change to the morals of the times .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Cosmo_R » 18 Dec 2012 22:43

@Neela ^^^. No one takes Shri Friedman seriously anymore. Look at this qualifier you may have missed:

"How did India, another former British colony, get to be the way it is (Hindu culture aside)?"

Duh! it is Hindu culture that defined India—else it would have gone the way of Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Sushupti » 18 Dec 2012 23:03

Arab origins
The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth
http://tribune.com.pk/story/317619/arab-origins/
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby ramana » 18 Dec 2012 23:05

Also Dileep Padgoankar lost his reputation by being on the Ghulam Nabi Fai (conduit for ISI per US courts) feeding train. So how objective can he be?
In earlier days DP would have reclused himself before he got fired. But then its TOI which survives on US media shaping handouts.

So in short he has no locus standi to talk about Kashmir anymore after the Ghulam Nabi Fai linkages were revealed.
For him it was "Cash more" in more ways than one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby ramana » 18 Dec 2012 23:11

Sushupti wrote:Arab origins
The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth
http://tribune.com.pk/story/317619/arab-origins/



So even the Four fathers were non-existent!!!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby shaardula » 18 Dec 2012 23:23

neela saar, i read that article too. it was immediately clear that it was a lot of hot air, as i read through it. forget egypt, even the author's home, united states, does not match up to the standards he prescribes.

the primary reason i dont like that article is that it is a patronizing article that subjects us to fantastic ideals that he holds for us but is not part of our own reality. we are a people like those in the rest of the world. a people eager to preserve our way of life, and use methods that make sense to our immediate realities. just like america & europe. we have bolder imagination given our diversity, but we are not cut from any special cloth.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby vasu raya » 18 Dec 2012 23:56

Sushupti wrote:Arab origins
The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth
http://tribune.com.pk/story/317619/arab-origins/


some more quotes,

Every single Muslim in the subcontinent believes s/he is of Arab descent. If not direct Arab descent, then the illustrious ancestor had come from either Iran or Bukhara.


Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words ‘in theory’ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being “Hindis” as we learn this from Ibn Batuta’s own prejudices. And he is not alone.


Excellent find sir! a teeny tiny percent of the educated Muslims are realizing the truth based on the comments, this message needs momentum and if PTV can find space in India I believe some India based Urdu TV can find space in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Even Bollywood needs to step in instead of focusing on 'Khan is innocent' type movies.

Providing genetic evidence could be our job in changing the Islamist perceptions in South Asia.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby RamaY » 19 Dec 2012 00:02

Arap Houri-jans

Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words ‘in theory’ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being “Hindis” as we learn this from Ibn Batuta’s own prejudices. And he is not alone.


vasu raya wrote:Excellent find sir! a tiny percent of the educated Muslims are realizing the truth based on the comments, this message needs momentum and if PTV can find space in India I believe some India based Urdu TV can find space in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Even Bollywood needs to step in instead of focusing on 'Khan is innocent' type movies.


What is excellent about this? Is it true that the so-called lower-castes converted to islam to escape the discrimination of the so-called upper castes?

And does islam say that all humans are equal, even if in-theory?

This is BS of Paki variety to say the least.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby vasu raya » 19 Dec 2012 00:28

^^^

Nope the conversions are forced by the Muslim invasions, if anybody says that in today's Muslim world they would be shot or they go plain defensive, but even before that realizing that these are indigenous folks is the first step and that's what I find surprising coming from a Muslim who or his friends in search for their Arab genes got a reality check. A hypothesis that a DNA test can impact your perceptions is what I am happy about. Can you please put down your Uzi now?

Added later: What is more plausible when South Asia was under Muslim rulers, conversions to Islam so as to escape Hindus (themselves persecuted) or converting to protect themselves from these rulers who are known to bring their Caliphate ideology.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Agnimitra » 19 Dec 2012 00:38

Cosmo_R wrote:@Neela ^^^. No one takes Shri Friedman seriously anymore. Look at this qualifier you may have missed:

"How did India, another former British colony, get to be the way it is (Hindu culture aside)?"

Duh! it is Hindu culture that defined India—else it would have gone the way of Pakistan.

I think that's precisely what the qualifier means. That India has a British colonial experience in common with the Gippies, but we also have Hindu culture which has played its role. He is asking readers to not consider the Hindu aspect, and see whether Egypt can also be the way India is.

BTW, check the most voted comment at the bottom of the article. Probably another Paki masquerading as an Indian.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prem » 19 Dec 2012 02:14

These are VOID people, void of the soul essence which makes one son of soil with civilizational mooring. They stomp the soil and spit on the sky thus getting Mitti on their head and spit on their face and then wonder why people call them Phools of Dhool with paen to Arapian Gobhi ka Phool.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby partha » 19 Dec 2012 02:22

Sushupti wrote:Arab origins
The challenge then is for all those, Baloch, Pathan, Punjabi et al, who have invented illegitimate fathers for ourselves to get ourselves tested and know the bitter truth
http://tribune.com.pk/story/317619/arab-origins/


This is the same guy who had once written that Pakistan has the first right to the name 'India'..or some thing like that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby ranjbe » 19 Dec 2012 03:44

Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words ‘in theory’ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being “Hindis” as we learn this from Ibn Batuta’s own prejudices. And he is not alone

Another Baki myth. At lot of the converts were from the upper castes/classes who converted because Islam offered them the unlimited ability to loot, rape and haremize women. Besides, Islam was then ascendant, and people without morals or principles go with the winner. In Maratha history there is the example of Maratha Sardars who were reconverted from Islam to Hinduism when Marathas became ascendant - Netaji Palkar, for example. A Bahami ruler of Ahmednagar was a Brahmin called Kulkarni, before conversion to Islam, and so on. I am sure many such examples can be cited in other parts of India. A lot of Bakis proudly claim to be of Rajput descent.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby nachiket » 19 Dec 2012 03:59

ranjbe wrote:In Maratha history there is the example of Maratha Sardars who were reconverted from Islam to Hinduism when Marathas became ascendant - Netaji Palkar, for example.

Netaji Palkar was forcibly converted along with his wives after being captured by one of Aurangzeb's Generals following Shivaji's escape from Agra. He was forced to fight for the Mughal's in a couple of battles against the Pathans. The moment he was sent to the Deccan though, he went back and joined Shivaji and expressed his wish to become Hindu again.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prem » 19 Dec 2012 05:04

Ahmadi, Murtad Orr Just Kaffir ?

Militancy in the name of Islam and its ramifications — Patient Qai Sar Rawshit

In a way, militancy in the name of Islam is justifying the incompetence of Muslims in the fields of science and technology. Secondly, it has discredited the role of state governments to raise their voice for Muslims. Thirdly, it has made the largest chunk of Muslims who, though they do not side with militant Muslims, apologetic before the world. Fourthly, it has made all Muslims vulnerable to all types of prejudices.One of the problems Muslims are facing is that they live physically in the 21st century but survive mentally (or conceptually) in the medieval age. Did Islam advise its followers to perpetuate the medieval age and abhor the modern age? Should industrialisation not have happened? Should the world not have moved to the phase of modernisation or even post-modernisation? The next best question is, can these processes (or phases) be reversed?The modern age has brought to the fore its own realities and ways of living. If Muslims were so concerned about this kind of modern age, they should have been in the forefront of progress and development to construct their own type of modern age. If they could not do so, why nurse grievances? If Muslims stay backward, why should the world come to their doorstep to ask what kind of world they approve? Instead of militating against the inevitable realities of life and the irreversible processes of the world, Muslims should reconcile with them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Vipul » 19 Dec 2012 05:07

Rehman Malik: Mumbai attack stopping Manmohan Singh from coming to Pakistan.

"He has his constituency and that constituency is people of India. The perception created in India (Of course its just a perception we have otherwise taken action against everybody involved) is that Pakistan is doing nothing for 26/11 case in Pakistan or Mumbai blast (26/11). Of course he wants some effective action," he said.

The Pakistani leader said his country would be able to satisfy Singh after the visit of the Second Judicial Commission which will cross examine four Indian witnesses and would facilitate expediting the 26/11 case in Pakistan. (So he thinks India will be satisfied by the pakistani action of sending a commission to India to investiagte !!! Buth then with the Candle-kissers occupying South Block you never know)

"Two-three things he had mentioned and I promised we will do it. The moment the second Commission comes, I have no doubt in my mind that we will be able to satisfy him. He has to satisfy his constituency. I think he wants to ensure that he has some good answer to that. (Looks like every move is being orchestrated and MMS has given his maun consent to the game plan)

"I have committed with him that I will do my best. We have to expedite the case. It was a good meeting. I am quite satisfied. I hope that he will reconsider the decision," he said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby ramana » 19 Dec 2012 05:26

Actually by firing the "Sir Creek" shot Modi has upped the ante. I think Aman ki Tamasha will be passe.

Even Shekar Gutpa ses the writing on the wall and is making a "mea culpa" type of editorial on his pre-poll fact finding Gujarat visit.

Rehman David can claim all he wants about one or three things its not happening.
Nadda.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 19 Dec 2012 06:35

Vipul wrote:[url=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rehman-malik-mumbai-attack-stopping-manmohan-singh-from-coming-to-pakistan/1046088/0]e]


What he is really saying is the jist of what our dear PM told him : " Unfortunately I have to please the public so please throw me a fig leaf by sending judicial commission then I can visit you and go after some vote banks without offending other vote banks"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby PratikDas » 19 Dec 2012 07:46

Looks like Rehman Malik is struggling to come to terms with the reason for officials being elected in a democracy. Representing the constituents - try it out for a change, Rehman.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Singha » 19 Dec 2012 08:01

5 lady health workers on polio campaign shot dead in karachi
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... i-Peshawar

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Anindya » 19 Dec 2012 08:43

Kerry's back in full strength....

Backed by John Kerry, US aid to Pakistan flows again

WASHINGTON: The United States has resumed bankrolling Pakistan with American tax dollars despite the unstable country ramping up nuclear weapons production and its political leadership paying little or no taxes.

The Obama administration has reportedly sent to the Congress on December 7, Pakistan's tab for a $688 million payment that constitutes Islamabad's bill for deploying its troops and providing infrastructural support to the US in its war in Afghanistan.

The payout, going through without any protest or discussion in Washington, is said to be the first since summer this year, after payment of the so-called Coalition Support Fund (CSF) was suspended amid worsening ties between the two countries due to the raid that killed Osama bin Laden last year and the Salala attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. The Obama administration has ostensibly felt the need to buy Pakistan's support for its upcoming draw-down from Afghanistan despite serious misgivings in Washington.

....Pakistan has powerful supporters in Washington who have pressed for ladling out US tax dollars in the belief thatAmerica needs to remain invested in the country, none more than Senator John Kerry, President Obama's putative secretary of state. Kerry was the co-author of the so-called Kerry-Lugar-Berman law which authorized a five-year $7.5 billion payout to Pakistan subject to a slew of conditions and caveats.

Few of those conditions, including rolling back the promotion of hatred and bigotry through official texts, tracts, and laws and access to nuclear proliferator AQ.Khan, have been met, but evidently Washington has had enough of leaning on Pakistan given the exigencies of withdrawing from Afghanistan. In fact, Islamabad has gone a step further in poking Washington in the eye by mainstreaming AQ Khan into politics and incarcerating a doctor who helped the CIA eliminate Osama bin Laden.

Kerry, who even the liberal New York Times, which first reported the resumption of CSF funding online, said "has frequently served as an envoy to Pakistan, including after the killing of Osama bin Laden," has been a key principal in the making of the Pakistan policy. "Kerry's nomination (as secretary of state) would be welcomed in Pakistan, where he is seen as perhaps the most sympathetic to Pakistani concerns. He has nurtured relationships with top civilian and military officials, as well as ISI, Pakistan's intelligence agency," the NYT said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby shiv » 19 Dec 2012 09:11

lakshmikanth wrote:And while you are at it bhaijan, please dont make too much noise, coz it may wake up our ammi-jan and abbu-jan.


In the case of Pakis it is ammi jaan don't make too much noise or it will wake abbu jaan.

As Hafiz Saeed said "O my brother and son, follow the path of jihad after you get married. I will look after your widow"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Prem » 19 Dec 2012 09:37

here was a heated exchange of words between a Maulana and a Hafiz. The Maulana accused the Hafiz of having "abandoned" Ajmal Kasab, after he was of no further use and had become a liability. The Maulana expressed his outrage at the fact that no one claimed Kasab's body after he was hanged in India for his part in the terrorist attacks on Mumbai in 2008. The Maulana further accused the Hafiz of "not even enabling Kasab's mother to see his face" before he was buried.


Such Gup
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 14&page=32

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 19 Dec 2012 10:07

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 214&page=7

It says this article is first in a serial... Given the number of barbaric animal tanzeems in Pakistan, it may last a few years... but should be good for knowing them better....

Saleem Qadri, Abbas Qadri, Iftikhar Bhatti, Dr Abdul Qadeer, Akram Qadri, Abdul Aziz Chishti, Shadab Akmal, Waheed Qadri, and Saleem Raza founded Pakistan Sunni Tehrik with the specific aim of protecting their shrines and mosques. In the two decades that followed, they were all killed.


"When bombs were dropped on the Japanese, they did not pick up weapons in response. They did not starting abusing the enemy. They did not start massacring people. They gave their children education"


If this is what this jihadi understands of Japanese, good luck to his followers, taller mountain will be very happy to hear....

In case anyone thinks he is a moderate he clarifies


"Islam is a religion of peace," :rotfl: Qadri said to a question about violent protests in response to incidents of blasphemy. "It does not permit murder," he said. "It does not ordain beheading innocent people." But he does glorify Mumtaz Qadri, :lol: the man who assassinated Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer.


I guesses that's because taseer was shot, not beheaded.... That should qualify him as a moderate in Pakistan

. "People don't vote for a cause," he says, "they vote for a caste."
didn't rop promise equality?? Why this Brahmanism as a rapist goon propaganda historian would call it?

.The Sunni Tehrik is known for its stance against suicide attacks. Clerics from the party have issued an edict that says suicide attacks are not allowed in Islam. One of them, Dr Sarfraz Naeemi of Darul Naeemia, is said to have been assassinated because of that edict.
:rotfl: was he beheaded? Or culled by a soosai?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Dec 2012 11:58

WTF, these Royals should be asked to stay atleast 15KM from the Indian border

BSF protests shikar by Arab royals

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby SSridhar » 19 Dec 2012 12:59

How Rehman Malik took advantage of India's poor media management - The Hindu
From the moment Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik landed in Delhi this past Friday, he successfully managed to beat India’s media strategy. On issue after issue — be it the matter of handing over of 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed or handing over of voice samples of the orchestrators of the Mumbai attacks to India, the torture of Kargil martyr Captain Saurabh Kalia or comparing the 26/11 with the Babri mosque demolition — Mr. Malik managed to embarrass his hosts, who chose to keep mum.

At the airport, the Pakistani Minister literally gave a clean chit to Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed by rubbishing Indian dossiers presented to him on several occasions for his role in 26/11, while he emphasised that India had never raised the issue of the torture of Kargil martyr Captain Surabh Kalia bilaterally.

Then while formalising the new Indo-Pak visa regime a couple of hours later in the presence of Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde, he raked up the issue of the Babri mosque demolition, comparing it with 26/11. He again claimed that he was helpless to act against Hafiz Saeed, pleading that he had been given a clean chit by Pakistani courts for lack of credible evidence, thus putting the entire onus on the Indian Government. Interestingly, he did not disclose publicly that Hafiz Saeed was never arrested for 26/11, a fact mentioned by Mr. Shinde in Parliament only on Monday.

At the function, Mr. Shinde reacted only by saying that Pakistan had failed to fulfil its promises earlier also. This was in response to Mr. Malik’s rhetoric that he would order Hafiz Saeed’s arrest before leaving India provided he is given “credible evidence” against the Mumbai attack’s mastermind.

Though on Saturday he tried to downplay his statements on the Babri mosque and Captain Kalia issues, he again courted controversy on Sunday when he stated that Abu Jundal, a Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist and one of the conspirators of 26/11, was an Indian intelligence agent.

India again came up with a very weak reply, with Home Secretary R. K. Singh terming Mr. Malik’s statement “ridiculous”, while Mr. Shinde failed to come up with any strong rebuttal.

Notably, India first cancelled the joint Press meet to be addressed by the two ministers after the signing of the visa agreement on Friday, with the Government’s media managers stating that they would wait for another day before briefing journalists as the home minister-level talks could remain inconclusive. On Saturday, there was no media briefing even as the visiting minister kept on with his rhetoric targeting the Indian Government. And before departing for Pakistan, Mr. Malik raked up the Jundal issue, calling him a double agent and blaming the Indian security agencies for having failed to prevent the Mumbai attacks.

Ironically, after Mr. Malik met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday, the Indian media had to rely solely on the Pakistani Minister’s statements on what happened during the talks as the Prime Minister’s Office failed to issue any statement. Significantly, as Union Home Minister, P. Chidambaram was not keen on inviting Mr. Malik to India for the visa agreement until he submitted voice samples and showed some signs of fast-tracking the 26/11 case going on in his country. However, when Mr. Shinde took over, his Pakistani counterpart renewed his request for a visit. While Mr. Shinde refused to host Mr. Malik last month to save him from embarrassment as it could have clashed with the hanging of Ajmal Kasab, this time round Mr. Malik took full advantage of the occasion by putting Mr. Shinde and his team in the dock.

It is no use blaming the 'media strategy' of GoI. There has been no strategy at all by all governments that have been in power since 1947.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 19 Dec 2012 13:11

That is more of a complaint against sacking of Khare. Perhaps another one has been lined up, to keep dynasty in the straight and narrow path

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Suppiah » 19 Dec 2012 13:14

Aditya_V wrote:WTF, these Royals should be asked to stay atleast 15KM from the Indian border

BSF protests shikar by Arab royals



Bsf should accidentally shell one of these barbaric scums as payback for their support of terror and I'll treatment of Indians

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Lilo » 19 Dec 2012 13:16

Aditya_V wrote:WTF, these Royals should be asked to stay atleast 15KM from the Indian border

BSF protests shikar by Arab royals


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The designated areas where their Four Fathers can roam free and hunt chidias for breeding the next bstardised paki generation...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Postby Lilo » 19 Dec 2012 13:23

Suppiah wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:WTF, these Royals should be asked to stay atleast 15KM from the Indian border

BSF protests shikar by Arab royals



Bsf should accidentally shell one of these barbaric scums as payback for their support of terror and I'll treatment of Indians


Or snipe the precious hawks of the araps out of the sky...
It will also gaurantee an extremly painful GUBO session in the night for the hosting pakis


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