Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Dec 2012 04:55

^ anupji,

Why are you blaming a blind paki? In Pakistan all drinking water smells like soap/phinael. It is because evil Hindus are either washing cloaths in Indus or releasing their billion+ toilet output into it.

This blind paki unnknowingly unearthed a YYY conspiracy

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Dec 2012 05:14

Lets look at it logically and rationally. If US does indeed decide to attack TSP, how will TSP use its nukes? Fir sure, US strategy will be to launch a massive air attack against GHQ and ISI assets. What can TSP do with its nukes?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Dec 2012 05:32

Throw them on India.

I understand what Sri Syamsaran is trying to say. He is trying to tell us that pakis would smuggle a nuke or two to west and blackmail it. But it wouldn't explain the need for hundreds of nukes.

The hundreds of nukes are "justified" (this is the key word) on the basis of a possible American project to denuke Pakistan and so many nukes would make it impossible as if each nuke is placed in a separate place (or is it?).

I think the increase in nukes are to counter Indian BMD and there is no other purpose to them. I am sure Unkil will be glad to deliver few more nuke capable f-16s to pakis.

And another reason could be that Pakis are becoming the worlds nuclear manufacturing hub.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Dec 2012 06:12

CRamS wrote:Lets look at it logically and rationally. If US does indeed decide to attack TSP, how will TSP use its nukes? Fir sure, US strategy will be to launch a massive air attack against GHQ and ISI assets. What can TSP do with its nukes?

CRamS, the idea of the US attacking Pakistan is mental masturbation. Why bring up the subject here? The two countries are allies. The US has assisted the Pakistani nuclear arms program in many ways. After 1945 The US has never had the guts to attack any country that can theoretically damage US interests. Please list the nations that the US has fought - North Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan. I suspect the total population of all those countries is still smaller than the US population let alone the size of economy or land area.

That is why it is important to provoke Pakistanis into hating the US and point out that the US is not reliable as an ally. The two will fume and fret but will not fight and the spectacle is more interesting than the usual Indian-Pakistani competition. Drone attacks on jihadis hurt Pakistan like the CIA hurts Fidel Castro. A long as the two lovers US and Pakistan are busy watching each other's infidelities India has some breathing space to cremate those who died in the last terror attack brought on by US-Pakistan friendship

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 09 Dec 2012 06:15

Johann wrote:But in the case of the ML it was supported by once highly privileged minority in decline and facing empowered sections that they fear are looking for payback.

That's not the whole truth.

The 'highly privileged' minority was always privileged only in terms of political power. If you look at the other key parameters of modernity - competitiveness in either education or trade Hindus had always been overwhelmingly dominant throughout. The Muslim classes had already lost political power by then. There may have been some fear of payback from Hindus, but more so it was the fear of being incompetitive in the new, meritocratic world.

Contrast this to the other well-known situation of 'a highly privileged minority in political decline and facing empowered sections looking for payback' - South Africa.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2012 07:04

CRamS wrote:Lets look at it logically and rationally. If US does indeed decide to attack TSP, how will TSP use its nukes? Fir sure, US strategy will be to launch a massive air attack against GHQ and ISI assets. What can TSP do with its nukes?

Time and again Paki chanky pandus have said they will nuke India in any situation. Start from the red eyed Brigadier quoted in Atlantic magazine.
There is a way out of this mess. Time will show it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2012 07:13

Indians fall for communal instigation: Katju

Mr. Katju said that before the London mutiny there was no communalism in the country but the situation was different now. “Today, 80 per cent Hindus are communal and 80 per cent Muslims are communal. This is the harsh truth, bitter truth that I am telling you. How is it that in 150 years you have gone backwards instead of moving forward?” he asked.

“The policy that emanated from London after the mutiny was that there was only one way to control this country, that is to make Hindus and Muslims fight one another,” he said.

He said that then there was propaganda that Hindi was the language of Hindus and Urdu of Muslims. “Our ancestors also studied Urdu, but it is so easy to fool you. You are foolish, so how difficult is it to make a fool of you.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2012 07:29

Two points

-SSji is very chankian bania who is comparing TSP to the superpower onlee. India is no match.

-Imran Khan is a moderate Caliban.

kish · Post by **kish** » 09 Dec 2012 08:30

Pak troops violate ceasefire again

An official said Pakistan Rangers started unprovoked firing at the Ballar post late in the morning when BSF troops were busy in the maintenance of the border fence. No loss of life or property was reported from either side, and only small arms were used in the firing.

Its amazing how Hindu converts adapt to the adopted religion. Back stabing, Treachery, Caravan looting are part and parcel of certain middle eastern religion.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Dec 2012 09:00

Mr. Katju said that before the London mutiny there was no communalism in the country

Yet another "let us go back to the glory days of mughal rule" remark...when Hindus are slaves there was peace all around as long as you pay jizya accept momeen rule and not bear arms

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 09 Dec 2012 09:57

Not sure how many of the rakshaks have watched latest ABC drama series "lat resort", its the ABC drama where US nukes major puki cities. I just finished watching all 9 episodes of first season and in the 9th episode the puki lnavy's remaining commandos (after US nukes their major cities) take over a vessel carrying relatives of the US SSBN Colorado crew(the same sub that was originally ordered to fire nukes onto those 4 puki cities in the the first episode but refused because the order came from secondary antarctic network thereby implying that DC has been annihilated, which it wasn't, thereby leading the captain of the sub to disobey orders and taking over the NATO command post at an island st. marinas). Anyways the theme of the 9th episode was that a rouge Indian Gen. bhatnagar was crossing over the LOC into POK and the puki navy commandos took over the vessel carrying the SSBN Colorado sub's sailors relatives so that they cud launch a trident on the Indian ground troops. I was just wondering at the tenacity of these major US studios who think that if they were to ever nuke pak and our forces were to crossover the LOC to take over what is legitimately ours, threatening our ground forces with a trident strike will deter us, then i think they are royally deluded. If such a thing were to happen then What shud be India's fitting reply hypothetically? nuking US army bases in Afg? or something on the similar lines of thought?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Dec 2012 10:41

We have to be fortunate that elections are getting closer and MMS can't move an inch on TSP issue. Because the pro-Beijing fake intellectual/yellow cabal's 'surrender to TSP" pitch is increasingly becoming shriller and shriller. I guess Beijing can see years of investment in TSP going down the drain with massive write-offs a-la Maddoff looming. As Saran pointed out (strangely allowed to do so in Chindu), it is a matter of time Beijing has to recall its nukes simply to protect itself. They can see their munna going down the tube before their very eyes and becoming a non entity.

All this means this is THE time for organising a surrender to TSP because the terms can only get worse with every passing day. With that, the leftists can become even shriller in demanding that India de-nuke itself, to ensure Beijing's strategic superiority forever. Merger with TSP and handing over India to jehadi terrorists is part of the bargain.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 09 Dec 2012 10:56

Suppiah wrote:As Saran pointed out (strangely allowed to do so in Chindu)...

Could it be because the current editor of Chindu is a WKK+card holder with a US citizenship?

All those loyalties would need to be adressed from time to time, while, of course, making sure that there is no let up in ownplaying or even bashing Indian interests.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 09 Dec 2012 11:02

Shaashtanga wrote:I was just wondering at the tenacity of these major US studios who think that if they were to ever nuke pak and our forces were to crossover the LOC to take over what is legitimately ours, threatening our ground forces with a trident strike will deter us, then i think they are royally deluded. If such a thing were to happen then What shud be India's fitting reply hypothetically? nuking US army bases in Afg? or something on the similar lines of thought?

Let the ICBM come online then these daydreams will also vanish.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Dec 2012 11:09

Kashi wrote: Could it be because the current editor of Chindu is a WKK+card holder with a US citizenship?

That is just the mask. Real 'control' is very safe in Ram's hands.

In any case, there is considerable convergence of US NPA mullas, pseudo liberals, evangelist fanatic anti-hindu hate mongers, jehadi terrorists of Pakistan, its handlers in Beijing and Indian leftists interests when it comes to India's future. Remember when Clinton wanted to 'handover' this part of the world to Beijing to police? That is precisely our Stalinist agenda.

So Unkil pushes for piss for his own reasons, our comrades do the same for their reasons. Each camp hoping that once weakened, our head can be divvied up later on when dust settles.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2012 11:30

Shaashtanga wrote: If such a thing were to happen then What shud be India's fitting reply hypothetically? nuking US army bases in Afg? or something on the similar lines of thought?

The Indian Nuclear Doctrine is very clear. If by that timeframe India had not developed missiles capable of hitting continental USA, it will hit the reachable American targets, Afghanistan, Europe or elsewhere. But, India would have to first determine that the nuke was indeed launched by the US. It may be difficult to do so for a sub-launched missile carrying nukes.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 09 Dec 2012 11:39

SSridhar wrote:The Indian Nuclear Doctrine is very clear. If by that timeframe India had not developed missiles capable of hitting continental USA, it will hit the reachable American targets, Afghanistan, Europe or elsewhere. But, India would have to first determine that the nuke was indeed launched by the US. It may be difficult to do so for a sub-launched missile carrying nukes.

I believe it is claimed that nuclear material that goes into a nuke has results in a very specific signature, when it explodes (as determined by the analysis of nuclear tests) and by scanning it against a library of such signatures it is theoretically possible to narrow down the origin of the weapon.

Are there any indications, if we posess this ability?

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 09 Dec 2012 12:06

Thanks for the response Sagarji & Sridharji. Maybe I am drunk, but sometimes I like the way pukis think (of accumulating India specific missiles and large number of warheads) is the only way to go. India's nuclear doctrine should state explicitly that if we were to get hit by Pakhanastan's shitbricks we shall hit Saudi Barbaria / China / Noko and US (and any other country that has covertly or overtly helped the shitpool). I hope we soon achieve ICBM's capable of reaching wherever we need to reach in addition to second strike capabilities and credible warheads (in enough numbers) and a strong / patriotic leadership in the center who wouldn't mind invoking the Samson option to show the world Shiva's tandav.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2012 12:44

Contaminated drink row stokes Pakistani fears - Anita Joshua, The Hindu

The case of Pakistan’s blind cricket team captain Zeeshan Abbasi consuming water contaminated with soap solution in a Bangalore hotel on Saturday evoked such a slew of reactions across various social media platforms here that it revealed the fragile nature of bilateral relations.

Commenting on the response the incident triggered in Pakistan, leading columnist Abbas Nasir tweeted: “The reaction to the phenyl incident shows how little the jingoists need to get started.” But it was not only the jingoists who were at work. Some peaceniks also found it difficult to stomach the Indian contention that it was an accident caused by negligence on the part of the hotel staff.

Much of the commentary stemmed from what was put out by television channels as the news broke. “Zeeshan Abbasi was made to drink a glass of acid during breakfast in India,” Geo News reported, quoting the chairman of Pakistan Blind Cricket Council Sultan Shah as stating that the glass filled with acid was deliberately placed on the table.

As always, the first impression was difficult to shrug off despite the subsequent clarifications on Indian television channels. Even after clarifications were issued and the cricketer discharged from hospital, the initial report remained the reference point. Late in the evening, some were saying that Mr. Abbasi’s recovery notwithstanding, “every Pakistani must be careful of what they eat and drink in India.”

The Jamat-ud-Da’wah (JuD) was not alone in calling it a terrorist attack. In a tweet, the JuD said: “Acid attack against Zeeshan Abbasi is a blatant act of terrorism. Government of Pakistan should not risk lives of its players for Aman Ki Asha .” In similar vein was a tweet from ‘Showbiz Pakistan’ – a news portal on Pakistani showbiz. “Get well really soon Zeeshan and show these monsters how cruel you can be with your bat.”

The peaceniks were clearly at the receiving end. “A bottle of water from Aman Ki Asha becomes a bottle of acid from Aman Ka Tamasha .” They were being repeatedly asked if they believed in peace with India after this incident even as many wondered how New Delhi would have reacted had an Indian cricketer met the same fate here. “The Inter-Services Intelligence would surely have been named,” was a common observation even as others commented that this would have been an international scandal if a non-Pakistani cricketer had “drunk acid” in Pakistan.

Given that no cricketing nation is willing to play in Pakistan since the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore in 2009, this incident brought up that issue with one commentator stating: “Serving acid in breakfast? What is it if not barbarity? And you say cricketers are not safe in Pakistan?”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2012 12:54

Kashi wrote:I believe it is claimed that nuclear material that goes into a nuke has results in a very specific signature, when it explodes (as determined by the analysis of nuclear tests) and by scanning it against a library of such signatures it is theoretically possible to narrow down the origin of the weapon.

Are there any indications, if we posess this ability?

The US stopped conducting nuclear tests two decades back. Its last atmospheric test was in the 60s. When the US was conducting tests, India had no wherewithal to produce such a catalogue of signatures. Even today, we may not have . We may have some ability with TSP though.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Dec 2012 13:53

^^^ one hopes the fears of acid keeps away not just cricketers but all pakis away from India

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Dec 2012 14:02

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Dec 2012 14:35

ramana wrote:
CRamS wrote:Lets look at it logically and rationally. If US does indeed decide to attack TSP, how will TSP use its nukes? Fir sure, US strategy will be to launch a massive air attack against GHQ and ISI assets. What can TSP do with its nukes?
Time and again Paki chanky pandus have said they will nuke India in any situation. Start from the red eyed Brigadier quoted in Atlantic magazine.
There is a way out of this mess. Time will show it.

The Paki-Islamists play on a bluff. From all the suicide bombings and all that, they have been creating an aura that they do not fear death, for in death they go to Allah and get their 72. However it is only the others who fear death and destruction. The argument is made in reference to all others - Westerners, Indians, etc. The Chinese killed many in the Cultural Revolution and too tried to make a similar statement - that if they have set their minds to it, it doesn't matter how much death and destruction comes in their way, including on themselves. But that was a different generation.

Indians need to come out and say that since we believe in reincarnation and our spiritual and technological expertise is dispersed, thus able to rebuild Indian Civilization, we too do not fear death and destruction. If the Pakis want to play the game of death and destruction, they are free to do so, but then we too can play the game and take all their ideological and nuclear tech sponsors down with us! The question then becomes whether the ideological and nuclear tech sponsors too are willing to play the game. That is Deterrence in a package!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 09 Dec 2012 15:31

Nuke threats come from pakis out of their fear of India. They are scared, they always were. A confident nation will let it's capability talk. Pakis know their nukes are dud, they dont have credible delivery platform, so to veer off any Indian adventure they have to display this false bravado. Pakis are bluff by birth.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 09 Dec 2012 17:23

Let us see what the supposed victim of YYY conspiracy , terrorist attack with soap water says once he is back in the bious country.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 09 Dec 2012 19:16

^^^Johann,

amateur or professional, I believe I have cut copied pasted far too many of your posts...you write exceedingly well .

thank you for the pleasure that I have derived from reading your posts.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Dec 2012 21:57

shiv wrote: CRamS, the idea of the US attacking Pakistan is mental masturbation. Why bring up the subject here? The two countries are allies. The US has assisted the Pakistani nuclear arms program in many ways. After 1945 The US has never had the guts to attack any country that can theoretically damage US interests. Please list the nations that the US has fought - North Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan. I suspect the total population of all those countries is still smaller than the US population let alone the size of economy or land area.

Boss, Americans believe they fought and defeated the mighty Soviets not just the countries you mentioned. Next to Jesus Christ, that clown Ronald Regan is worshiped as omni potent God who they believe is the architect that broght the Soviets to their knees. The political correctness is so entrenched that one cannot utter a word of criticism against him.

That is why it is important to provoke Pakistanis into hating the US and point out that the US is not reliable as an ally. The two will fume and fret but will not fight and the spectacle is more interesting than the usual Indian-Pakistani competition. Drone attacks on jihadis hurt Pakistan like the CIA hurts Fidel Castro.

You do make some Chanakyan points, but your last point

A long as the two lovers US and Pakistan are busy watching each other's infidelities India has some breathing space to cremate those who died in the last terror attack brought on by US-Pakistan friendship

is a funny line even though its the tragic state of affairs India finds itself in, in large part due to the TSP-US-China-Indian_5th_Columnists collusion. I further reflect on the long list of terror attacks since 9/11 that India has suffered and TSP has gotten away thumbing its nose. I wonder why does India have all those Brahmos et. al. (At least we know why TSP is expanding its nuke arsenal).

Thats why I was asking SSJi, if a scenario were created where TSP nukes India, "the world" blames India for that nuke attack, and the US-China-TSP-Indian_5th_columnist axis then ask Indian people the question whether Aman ki Tamasha is better or possessing nukes is better? Judging by Indian public response to Aman Ki Tamasha and your observation above, the white west and their NPT Ayathollahs would have achieved their singular objective in the subcontinent.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2012 22:35

Didn't the cricketeer guy smell the phenyl water before imbibing it? Or was he used to that flavor of water?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 09 Dec 2012 23:48

ramana wrote:Didn't the cricketeer guy smell the phenyl water before imbibing it? Or was he used to that flavor of water?

It was just soap water, and he spit it out as soon as he tasted it.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Dec 2012 00:37

Usually blind people have their other senses like smell, touch amplified. Wonder how this guy ended up sipping phenyl water.

kish · Post by **kish** » 10 Dec 2012 01:29

Choose either Pakistan or Kalabagh Dam, says ANP chief

If an institution involves itself in a controversial issue, then this issue will make the institution controversial ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan

Poetic justice for jihadi pasand Lawhore High Court.

Addressing a jam-packed audience at the Nishtar Hall, ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan minced no words when it came to his party’s opposition to the project. “They have to make a choice, whether they want Pakistan or Kalabagh Dam,” said Asfandyar, adding that his party was not ready to accept Punjab as a ‘commander of the federation’.

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Pashtun contempt for punjabi musalmans(who once were their slaves)

He went on to add that even a Supreme Court decision in this regard would not be accepted by his party, saying he was ready to face contempt charges for his views. “If an institution involves itself in a controversial issue, then this issue will make the institution controversial,” Asfandyar said, while asking his party workers to be ready to take action against the LHC decision.

how does 'party workers' take Action against High court decision? Does he mean what he says? Are we finally going to see some 'action' in pakistan.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Dec 2012 01:57

More signs of Aman...

Pakistan violates ceasefire, fires at Indian posts in Jammu and Kashmir

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Dec 2012 03:14

Inder Malhotra on 1965 war

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Dec 2012 03:30

kish wrote:Choose either Pakistan or Kalabagh Dam, says ANP chief

how does 'party workers' take Action against High court decision? Does he mean what he says? Are we finally going to see some 'action' in pakistan.

Kalabagh Dam has several interesting features. It was championed by Mushy who was its most vocal supporter, but even he couldnt get it constructed under his dictatorship.

1. The dam will further reduce flows into Sindh and cut their water. Already coastal sindh has become victim to sea ingress (which happens when Indus does not flow into the sea and the seawater seeps inland) and desertified. Kalabagh will simply ensure that it happens in a worse and more rapid way than it has so far. So it is essentially Punjabis siphoning water from Sindh.

2. You might ask, why does NWFP have a takleef with it, when they are upstream? The interesting part of it is that the reservoir for Kalabagh dam will be in NWFP in Nowshera, submerging a good portion of it, but the electricity generators and canal works will be in Punjab so Punjab gets all the electricity and the water

Looking at the water wars in Pakistan, I have a nice pisko theory about India-Pak and will post about it.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2012 06:26

CRamS wrote: Thats why I was asking SSJi, if a scenario were created where TSP nukes India, "the world" blames India for that nuke attack, and the US-China-TSP-Indian_5th_columnist axis then ask Indian people the question whether Aman ki Tamasha is better or possessing nukes is better? Judging by Indian public response to Aman Ki Tamasha and your observation above, the white west and their NPT Ayathollahs would have achieved their singular objective in the subcontinent.

What is surprising here is that you are asking this question or talking of this possibility at the end of 2012 while people have been speaking of this possibility n BRF for over a decade. You seem to have missed all the allusions to the possibility of US-Pakistan collusion.

Of course it can happen. How is anyone going to stop it? My personal view is that healthy enmity between Pakistan and the US is one hedge against such a possibility. That means supporting Pakistan verbally against the US and helping to increase the hatred Pakis feel for the US by revealing that we are actually sympathetic to their plight while the US colonizes them.

By going rah rah rah every time the US does something and lamenting "Why can't India do that" we are being honest but revealing incapability in playing a game that we need to play.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Dec 2012 11:29

Pakistan should not tour India: Ehsan Mani

KARACHI: Former ICC president Ehsan Mani has criticised the Pakistan Cricket Board for agreeing to tour India for a short one-day series later this month.

"I think the PCB is wrong to have agreed to this. If it is a political decision, then the PCB should have asked the politicians to make sure that India reciprocated by coming and playing against Pakistan even if it was at a neutral venue," Mani said in an interview.

Mani who was Pakistan's representative in the ICC before becoming its president in 2003 said he couldn't understand how the PCB agreed to play in India when the nation owes Pakistan two series which it has cancelled out on.

He said from a reciprocity point of view, it is totally wrong that Pakistan should be going to India.

"My opinion is Pakistan should not be going to India at all. India or the BCCI went out of its way after the Mumbai attack to isolate Pakistan cricket at the ICC," Mani said.

He pointed out that BCCI knew well that by refusing to play Pakistan even at a neutral venue, they were going to cost the PCB a huge amount of money.

"This short series will enable BCCI to earn over USD 100 million, probably as much as USD 150 million. All we're doing is to help India make a lot of money out of us, with no assurance of a reciprocal tour," he noted.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Dec 2012 11:51

^^Theek hain, atleast some khujli being caused amidst the Pappi-Jhappi between BCCI/MMS and PCB.

Liking it a lot.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 10 Dec 2012 12:19

Johann wrote: But the Mohajirs of UP who were the strongest supporters of the Pakistan idea were less worried about land and more concerned about the identity and culture wars.

They didn't imagine a UP where people like Laloo Yadav can not hold onto power without an alliance between Muslims and particular caste groups.

That is why the Pakistani Army is as defined as its consistent willingness to screw over the majority of Pakistanis as it is by fear and loathing for power in the hands of Hindus.

PA is defined by hatred of hindus.Screwing or not screwing mango abduls is incidental.

The musalman elite of UP were worried about land.They wanted to keep screwing hindu abduls which they thought they had a divine right to do

No way could they imagine about Lalu CM of UP.Its in progressive democracies that people think of going beyond feudalism.Only when theres change can lalu or mayavati come.Without DMK,there could have been no PMK or Puthiya tamizhakam.INC was necessary for lalu to come.

And INC did not fall from sky.The Congress which was berated by the Imperial govt came from the Hindu society.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 10 Dec 2012 12:56

Apologies if this has been posted before -

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 10 Dec 2012 13:14

^^^ can people who have SEEN the videos give a 2-3 line summary of the good points in them. This helps a lot!