Bharat Rakshak

The Pride Of Pakistan Gets No Respect


China has agreed to help Pakistan find export customers for its Al Khalid tank. Pakistan developed this tank with Chinese help and began equipping Pakistani Army units withit back in 2001. But export sales have been scarce. Only Sri Lanka agreed to buy, and only 22 tanks, and that deal has yet to be finalized. Meanwhile China has sold several hundred of its version of the Al Khalid (the MBT-2000) to Morocco and Bangladesh.
It wasn’t supposed to work out this way. Pakistan, after all, has more recent experience in mechanized warfare. In fact, China has not fought a major campaign in over fifty years and only two minor ones (mountain warfare with India in the 1960s) and some border battles in the jungles with Vietnam (in 1979). China has done some air and naval skirmishing with the Taiwanese but nothing as intense as what the Pakistanis have gone through as recently as 1999 (another mountain battle, with India). China has more money and industrial infrastructure than Pakistan, and this has helped Pakistan build up its military-industrial capabilities.
Back in the 1980s, when the two countries began this co-production deal, apparently they believed that Pakistan's stature in the Moslem world would provide a marketing advantage. Alas, the end of the Cold War, plus the spectacular performance of U.S. weapons in the 1991 Gulf War, made "cheap and simple" a much harder sell, especiallyif it was based on Russian designs. The end result is that China is gettingsome more arms exports because it is better at making sales. Pakistan has not been a total loser, as they have been able to build up its arms production capability.
Meanwhile, China is now offering a new tank, the MBT 3000, for export. The Chinese Army will begin receiving the MBT 3000 in two years.The 3000 appears to be a MBT 2000 with a slightly more powerful engine, more armor, improved suspension and running gear, and better electronics. While none of the individual changes is radical or greatly improved over MBT 2000, the total number of improvements issubstantial.
The Chinese MBT 2000 (also known as the VT1A) tank is an export modelof the Chinese Type 98/99. The MBT 2000 also looks similar to the Type 90/Al Khalid. The Type 98/99/90/MBT-2000 vehicles are all"improved T-72s." There were a lot of improvements, though many of them similar to what's found in the Russian T-80UM2. The workmanship on these vehicles is a little better than on the T-80UM2 but the Chinesedon't have as much experience building tanks. This has shown itself in the numerous technical glitches that have shown up.
The basic T-72 design has been around for over 30 years and has proved reliable, although not particularly effective, on the battlefield. That was mostly due to poor crews. The Chinese have movedto volunteer crews and more intensive training, which make any tank more effective. The MBT 2000 isa 49 ton tank with a 125mm gun and a three man crew (plus an autoloader). The MBT 3000 weight only goes up to 51 tons but overall performance and reliability is greatlyimproved.

krithivas wrote:Lessons never learnt

Indeed. During Shimla, Bhutto spoke of how enmity would not help the two nations, how a fledgeling democracy in Pakistan would be wiped out if he returned empty-handed, how India needed to support democracy in Pakistan and how only democracy in Pakistan can remove the enmity with India etc. It was music to Indian ears and we wanted to avoid a 'Versailles syndrome'. We did not bother to see if a man who spoke of a thousand-years war, who was determined o eat grass and who exhibited countless other traits of unbridled hatred for us would have changed tack so easily. We did not stop to think if the ground reality within Pakistan had indeed changed. Overcome by euphoria and on wrong advice, our hard-nosed leader surrendered all trump cards.

In January 2002, a similar drama was enacted by Musharraf when he promised action against terror tanzeems, (did take cosmetic actions with loopholes designed to allow them to escape) promised not to allow Pakistani soil to be used for terror against us. We were taken in by empty words and the rest is history.

We refuse to learn. We are as much determined about not learning as we are about our ability to turn around an errant younger brother.

Prasan wrote:Pakistani Hindu girl admitted to hospital 10 days after being raped

http://www.niticentral.com/2012/12/paki ... raped.html


A six-year-old Hindu girl who was allegedly raped in Pakistan’s southern Sindh province has been admitted to a hospital in Karachi about 10 days after she was molested, according to media reports.

Sorry to say this, but another two years and the girl would have come of age for the Sharia Republic of Pakistan. The outcome would have been no different except that t would have been reported as a conversion and marriage. Maybe the Pakistan minister, that oiseaule wotzisname state guest in India will know that there was a clerical error in the girl's birth certificate and she is actually 8? Then it should be no problem. It would be legal in the Islamic Republic

I do not know why we are gnashing our teeth at the utterances of a prime example of a Baki idiot who has come to celebrate his de-flowering anniversary in India.

Why are we surprised at what he has said? As a prime example of a sharia luchha he has no other option but to display the thick skin of a well whipped and guboed gaped @rse. I would have not believed him if he had made any consoling, diplomatically appropriate noises. That, to me, would have been interpreted as chankian. And made my skin crawl.

Hindustan Times website ticker shows "Sanjhauta bomb planter arrested".
Looks like Bania kaffirs have learnt the art of welcoming high officials from the partners in war against terror?
Maybe a whitewash attempt for the visitors verbal misadventures.

shiv wrote:

Prasan wrote:Pakistani Hindu girl admitted to hospital 10 days after being raped

http://www.niticentral.com/2012/12/paki ... raped.html


A six-year-old Hindu girl who was allegedly raped in Pakistan’s southern Sindh province has been admitted to a hospital in Karachi about 10 days after she was molested, according to media reports.

Sorry to say this, but another two years and the girl would have come of age for the Sharia Republic of Pakistan. The outcome would have been no different except that t would have been reported as a conversion and marriage. Maybe the Pakistan minister, that oiseaule wotzisname state guest in India will know that there was a clerical error in the girl's birth certificate and she is actually 8? Then it should be no problem. It would be legal in the Islamic Republic

+1. Unnamed sources in Paki military and justice department informed uNDTV that the girl is indeed 8 and she is a woman per Islamic law of Pakistan. This type of fanatics exist everywhere and in BJp ruled Bangalore, Kerala a 50yr old Hindu man was arrested thirty years ago for raping a 5year old girl.

http://dawn.com/2012/12/15/three-blasts ... -peshawar/

This is shocking news, Peshawar has an airport?

Ha Allah is so kind to the pure...now they can fire rockets at airports...

Suppiah wrote:Ha Allah is so kind to the pure...now they can fire rockets at airports...

Even if the airport isn't there?

Sorry. There is an airport there but we keep missing it because it is an airport designed as good as the cheeni jets they fly.

^^^ nothing serious, just 10 people injured. Taliban needs retraining, Last quarter performance isn't good.

Two killed and 21 injured.

Hope bunnies improve their CEP

Hope MMS broke the good news to Mallik during the meeting....

kish wrote:^^^ nothing serious, just 10 people injured. Taliban needs retraining, Last quarter performance isn't good.

I am losing hope about the Taliban. I had high expectations from them. Their devoutness seemed to be just what Shitland needed. But they seem to be as incompetent as their brothers the Pakistan army. Not even one killed? No good No good.

shiv wrote:

kish wrote:^^^ nothing serious, just 10 people injured. Taliban needs retraining, Last quarter performance isn't good.

I am losing hope about the Taliban. I had high expectations from them. Their devoutness seemed to be just what Shitland needed. But they seem to be as incompetent as their brothers the Pakistan army. Not even one killed? No good No good.

updated score is 5 ...

The dark places called Pakistan and China from NASA's Black Marble photos:

Peshawar seems well lit by rockets.

First of all, having gone down the path of aman ki tamasha with Pakis, lionizing the likes of Mushraff, and now inviting this terrorist, all his comments are are not only expected, but pretty much in line with what the "secular" ruling elite in India believe anyway. Us nationalists are being utterly naive in trying to corner TSP through talks, what India could not achieve on the battle field. Once again, put yourself in the shoes of TSP, a disgusting thing to do. But after huffing and puffing, India climbs down and calls for aman ki Tamasha, TSP rightfully says forget about the past and look to the future, meaning lets discuss "core issue" and everything else that you (India) can do for us.

What I find interesting is that Mallik turd chose his comments carefully, and he did not say anything about Gujarat riots. As I said, he mentioned 9/11, Babri, Mumbai blasts (not 26/11), Samjotha etc, but not Gujarat riots; I am sure he would been a big hit with large swaths of Indians had he mentioned Gujarat. But he did not. Was that a calculated move as it would have been too provocative? Was he coached by his good friend MMS not to say anything about Gujarat even though he agrees that "Hindu terrorism" is a menace and obstacle coming in the way of peace and prosperity of "South Asians"?

Six killed, 40 injured in mortar attacks on Peshawar airport, adjoining areas
http://samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=58657&CID=1

i wonder why an Indian newspaper is tagging these mard e momins as "Terrorists" when even porki or any gora newspaper are not.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 629826.cms

http://www.ptinews.com/news/3219849_Abu ... nce--Malik

Abu Jundal was agent of Indian Intelligence - Malik

Am beginning to like this fellow and glad that he has come.

^^^ so then what is the solution to dealing with the Pakistanis?

Is there a final solution like is being implied by some people's posts ? Nazi redux?

Any other solutions?

mahadevbhu wrote:^^^ so then what is the solution to dealing with the Pakistanis?

Is there a final solution like is being implied by some people's posts ? Nazi redux?

Any other solutions?

haven't you seen Skyfall ... ???
a great way how to kill napaki kaum is shown thr ...

Raoul Silva: Hello James, welcome. Do you like the island? My grandmother had an island when I was a boy. Nothing to boast of. You could walk along it in an hour. But for us it was paradise. One summer, we came for a visit and discovered the whole place had become infested with rats(Pakis in our case). They came on a fishing boat and gorged on the coconut. So how do you get rats off an island? My grandmother showed me. You put an oil drum in a pit and hinge open the lid. Then you coat the lid in the coconut. The rats come for the coconut and plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink; they fall into the trap. Then what do you do? Throw it in the ocean? Burn it? No. You just leave it. And then one by one...
[mimics rat munching sound]

Raoul Silva: They start eating each other until there are only two left. The two survivors. Then what do you do? Kill them? No. You release them into the trees. But they will not eat coconut anymore. Now they will only eat rat. You have changed their nature. The two survivors, this is what she made us.

just leave pakis on thr own ... they already are in a oil drum in a pit ...

The dark places called Pakistan and China from NASA's Black Marble photos:

What is clearly evident from the Map is how far Tibet is from the Chinese Mainland and how near it is to the Indian heartland. Nehruvian and the Indic blunder of allowing Chinese aggression of Tibet is plain and evident from that Map. The Chinese mainland on the East Coast and Pakistan would never have been geo strategically connected if we had not blundered. Maybe this map may help change some perceptions.

^^^ so then what is the solution to dealing with the Pakistanis?

All real Wars are about Value systems. Doctrines are based on that. Constitutions are based on that. Governments defend that constitution. Governments use Armies, diplomatic and economics at their disposal. Ultimately it is all about value systems and doctrine. The fight is not about culture, roads, economy, geographical territory. It is, was and will be on the above format for all nations, past, present and future. The Indo-Pak problem is difference in value systems. Either we be like them or we show the difference. And we defend that difference with great vigor. Same with Indo-China. We abandon Tibet because we fail to honor and value our own value systems. So ultimately we have to (a) realize what we truly want to defend against the Paki (b) attack their ideology. Make it useless, show it is useless, evil and will beget nothing but misery..this life and the next, literally. Destroy the root of the conflict. With the Paki and with the Han.

All our solutions will have to be compulsorily based on above (a) and (b). They may involve zero casualities or they may involve 20 million. But the solution has to be based on that, there is no way out of that, unless we ourselves change and become Paki's..which is not a solution to uphold the value systems we cherish and want to live by.

Congratulations to South Asia on its military Victory in Dec of 1971!!!
South Asia created a World record in both taking and doing the Military surrender to loose, save, protect and earn H&D.

Suppiah wrote:Hope MMS broke the good news to Mallik during the meeting....

The only thing both sides broke was wind.

watch from the 1:18

"Bombay blasts" == "Samjotha express" == "Babri Mosque issue"

In reply Shinde explains the inked visa arragement

The best way to deal pakistan is to break all kind of ties with them, diplomatic, economic, people to people, everything. Just pretend and live nothing called pakistan exists. Pakistan thrives on the oxygen called India. To kill pakistan we must take that oxygen away.

RSoami wrote:http://www.ptinews.com/news/3219849_Abu ... nce--Malik

Abu Jundal was agent of Indian Intelligence - Malik

Am beginning to like this fellow and glad that he has come.

Rehman Malik is an idiot even by the pakistani standard. We know that average paki IQ is lower than average world IQ. Malik is a below average pakistani. No need to take him seriously and bother our blood pressure because of this idiot aka pakistani.

Jhujar wrote:Congratulations to South Asia on its military Victory in Dec of 1971!!!
South Asia created a World record in both taking and doing the Military surrender to loose, save, protect and earn H&D.

The South Asia, a geography baptised by british, is a part of Indian subcontinent. India which lies south of south asia sliced cut east of south asia from the west of south asia. Well, now there was no east left west of south asia was only south asia. But west of south asia refused to accept the reality. West of south asia has ever since gone mad. To make things worse it's being screwed by the west of west of south asia, and of course north east of west of south asia. Our condolences to west of south asia, now only south asia.

SS boss, you are one of the key experts on this. Entire DDM is going bersek with their headlines on how some alleged Samjotha blast suspect has been nabbed. No doubt this is a cowardly, shameless spectacle by MMS & Co to bend over backwards to please the visiting Paki terrorist, but who are these guys that they are nabbing? After all, do we not know that some UN agency itself named a Paki for that blast? Or is India genuinely investigating this blast, and indeed Indians were involved? Very confusing onlee.

Or is it a Chanakyan move by India, namely, OK we nailed the Samjotha suspects, now you move on 26/11. After all, it does not cost India anything to pick up a bunch of louts and accuse them of being behind the blasts, and the blast itself were it conducted by Indians was not state sponsored, India has no ideological or any strategic baggage associated with it (hence India would have no problem apprehending the suspects), while in the case of 26/11, 26/11 was a state sponsored strategic hit with a not so subtle message sent to India, and any realistic movement on 26/11 from their side would mean untangling the reason d'taire for their very existence.

But TSP is too foxy to fall for this Chanakyan plot.They will say thank you very much, now investigate state support to the Samjotha plot. After all, colonel ProHit was involved and so investigate others in the Indian army. They will even be toung'n cheek and say both sides must desist from state agencies sponsoring terrorists.

Bottom line: There is no way TSP can loose this one after India having surrendered. In TSP's mind, 26/11, Kargil etc are strategic battlefield victories to be built upon, not surrendered at the altar of aman ki tamasha. Furthermore, in their minds, aman ki tamasha itself is part of their terrorist/diplomatic game plan in achieving their objectives.

CRamS, why are you suddenly so inclined to trust some UN agency over the Government of India? What investigation did the UN conduct?

It was discussed here a while ago. Along with Hafeez pig, Dawood etc, there was this Paki responsibe for the Samjotha attack. I am just wondering what this Samjotha circus is all about while MMS hosts his TSP terrorist pervert pals. Do you have any thoughts?

Before India complains about Pakistan trained terrorists, they should realize that Pakistan itself is a victim of Pakistan trained terrorists. There are extremists on both sides of the border -- extremists in Karachi and extremists in Mumbai (who came from karachi). South Asia should not be held hostage to such issues.

Less than 10% of Pakistan is extremist and 980 billion Indians live on less than $0.000002 per year.

Ayesha Agha piece on Pakistan army psyops.

http://tehelka.com/psy-ops-coming-to-a-screen-near-you/

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-79817 ... up:-Naveed

It is impossible to tell the correct number of militants at this time, he said.

Of course it always tough to count terrorists in Pakistan that too near army camp

Anujan wrote:Ayesha Agha piece on Pakistan army psyops.

http://tehelka.com/psy-ops-coming-to-a-screen-near-you/

^^^

Pakis RAPES quote impressive sales of Mein Kampf in India as a sure sign signal of Genocidal Yindoo out to destroy minorities.
But Ms Siddiqua gives us this interesting piece of information from the 80's.

For the military these days, psy-ops are as big a notion as producing tactical nuclear weapons. Probably, this is something they might have learnt watching all the World War II movies; their argument is that if Hollywood could dedicate itself to making films that made an absolute villain out of Hitler, who many army historians consider as a bit of a military genius, then why couldn’t this be achieved in Pakistan? (Given these standards, the ISPR would approve of the 1980s film called Hitlar, based on the theme of the German Führer not dying but escaping to Pakistan and having a family there, which eventually fights to restore his honour.)

The Indian govt. has done the worst == between India and pakistan. And between 26-11 and other attacks and Samjhota by indulging in this Samjhota Express arrest naatak when idiot shiromani Rehman Malik is visiting.
All the good work done by Malik in saying stupid things is undone by the utter spinelessness, cowardice and moorkhta of the Indian government.
With governments like these, who needs terrorists.

unkil wants ummah birader Egypt to be more like kufr bharateeyas. hainji?
Egypt: The Next India or the Next Pakistan?

Three weeks ago, the prime minister of India appointed Syed Asif Ibrahim as the new director of India’s Intelligence Bureau, its domestic intelligence-gathering agency. Ibrahim is a Muslim. India is a predominantly Hindu country, but it is also the world’s third-largest Muslim nation. India’s greatest security threat today comes from violent Muslim extremists. For India to appoint a Muslim to be the chief of the country’s intelligence service is a big, big deal. But it’s also part of an evolution of empowering minorities. India’s prime minister and its army chief of staff today are both Sikhs, and India’s foreign minister and chief justice of the Supreme Court are both Muslims. It would be like Egypt appointing a Coptic Christian to be its army chief of staff.

“Preposterous,” you say.