Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 25 Jan 2013 15:46

This explains the history and the current state of shia killings in Pakistan.

http://www.viewpointonline.net/pakistan ... e-101.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby abhijitm » 25 Jan 2013 16:22

SSridhar wrote:The CJCSC was visiting the ongoing ‘Exercise Saffron Bandit 2012-13’ at an operational base of the Pakistan Air Force. Chief of Air Staff Tahir Rafique Butt also participated in the exercise.

See, pakistani army, ISI, taliban and Indian National Congress are speaking the same language...like brothers in arms??

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 25 Jan 2013 20:23

I'm the Dim is certainly a BR fan.

Pakistan is used as a tissue paper by Washington: Imran Khan
Replying to a query on US's role in the subcontinent, Pakistan's cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan on Friday said Pakistan has been used as a "tissue paper" by Washington.

"I think Pakistan and India should sort out the issues on their own. At the most, US could be a facilitator and nothing more than that".

He said the war on terror has had adverse impact and the way it has been fought has led to results that are counter productive.

"There has been negativity and anti-US feelings in Pakistan because of this. The feeling is that Pakistan has been used as a tissue paper by the US :D ... So people in Pakistan suspect the intentions of US.

"On the other hand people in US suspect Pakistani army of playing double role. So, it is a relationship based on distrust. So how can you have a common agenda of fighting terror when two countries don't trust each other," he asked.

Asserting that recent ceasefire violations at the line of control (LoC) have "pushed back" the peace process, Imran said armies are not equipped to find solutions to bilateral problems.

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief also stressed on the need for dialogue and underlined that Pakistan and India should sort out the issues on their own.

Terming the LoC violations as "very unfortunate", Khan said, "We were moving forward on peace process and it (LoC incidents) has pushed us back. Not as back as the Mumbai 26/11 time but still it is quite back".

He added that media should have been less jingoistic and acted in a more responsible manner.

"It is not in the interest of people of India and Pakistan to have animosity ... eventually the solution lies on the dialogue table and peaceful dialogue (is needed) for sorting out the differences," Khan told in an interview on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum here.

Asked if Indian and Pakistani armies should have a greater contact at the top level, he said, "What we need is strong leaderships. Armies are not going to settle the issues. Army men are not equipped to find political solutions, only politicians are.

"Politicians with big public mandate would eventually find the solutions for issues between two countries".

On his policy towards India if he comes to power in the upcoming general elections in Pakistan, Imran said Islamabad would take faster steps.

"We will take steps for normalization of ties and CBMs, but at a greater pace. We would like to fasten this whole process and get some sort of road map going.

"That is my aim regarding India. Quicker you do, the more the subcontinent would reap the benefits and dividends of peace because trade has such an enormous impact on our subcontinent," he said.
{Unadulterated Taqiyyah. The guy is lying just like a Pakistani always does}

Khan said he favoured greater cricketing ties between the two countries.

"In fact we should have gone for a test series. It was a very token sort of one day series which was not good enough and just began and finished.

"India-Pak test series has more viewership than any other test series in the world. I was a bit disappointed that there were just one day matches," he said regarding the matches that took place this month more than four years after bilateral cricket ties snapped due to the 2008 Mumbai terror attack.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Baikul » 25 Jan 2013 20:45

SSridhar wrote:I'm the Dim is certainly a BR fan.

Pakistan is used as a tissue paper by Washington: Imran Khan
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"We will take steps for normalization of ties and CBMs, but at a greater pace. We would like to fasten this whole process and get some sort of road map going.
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He means like the last road map, the one that PA pored over and then marched to Kargil.....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby chaanakya » 25 Jan 2013 20:58

abhijitm wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The CJCSC was visiting the ongoing ‘Exercise Saffron Bandit 2012-13’ at an operational base of the Pakistan Air Force. Chief of Air Staff Tahir Rafique Butt also participated in the exercise.

See, pakistani army, ISI, taliban and Indian National Congress are speaking the same language...like brothers in arms??



Isn't it high time now that IA and IAF launches Operation ‘ Exercise Cooking Green Goose 2013‘ Let us see if BS means Parakram and Shourya ( Bikram) or Bull Shit.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby chaanakya » 25 Jan 2013 21:01

The only problem I see in that is in that event Public will vote for UPA 3 in misplaced sense of patriotic ferver unleashed by Islamic Narcissistic Congress ortherwise known as INC.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby saip » 25 Jan 2013 21:23

Who is getting slaughtered here, the good, the bad or the ugly (not that it matters)?

Clash of militants leaves 53 killed

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem » 25 Jan 2013 23:16

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 25&page=14

Tahirul Qadri bribed women with Rs 2,000 each
Quoted in Dunya Sajid Mir leader of Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadith stated that Tahirul Qadri was put forward as a pawn by the US and UK while the military and the establishment were trying to damage the political base of Nawaz Sharif in Punjab. His long marchers were propelled by bribe. He gave Rs 2,000 each to all women who attended his rally in Lahore. He added that MQM and PMLQ were also filling Qadri's treasury with their funds so that he can go on disrupting politics. After the death of 'Imran factor' Qadri was the new pawn placed in the field of politics.


Balochistan as two-nation province
Quoted in Dunya leader of Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party Mehmood Khan Achakzai stated that Pakistan must accept the prior right of the Baloch over all natural resources of Balochistan. He said the Balochistan issue would be resolved when the existence of two nations - Baloch and Pashtun - was accepted there through a constitutional arrangement. He said the chief minister's post should alternate between the two nations.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby anupmisra » 25 Jan 2013 23:22



No, No! Not "tissue paper" (commonly used for wiping one's nose or drying one's tears) but "toilet paper" (and, that too, the rough, no-brand, super-absorbent, Walmart type, low cost-per-100-squares variety).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby anupmisra » 25 Jan 2013 23:25

saip wrote:Who is getting slaughtered here, the good, the bad or the ugly (not that it matters)?

Clash of militants leaves 53 killed Link



In pakiland, good=bad, depending on the situation. The ugly part is a given, with all those unwashed, untrimmed, bearded mard-e-momeens, using each other for heat and comfort.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem » 25 Jan 2013 23:59

Indian president issues veiled warning to Pakistan
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NEW DELHI: India’s president told Pakistan on Friday that its hand of friendship should “not be taken for granted” following a string of deadly border clashes between the two sides in the disputed Kashmir region.President Pranab Mukherjee’s warning comes amid a ceasefire which took hold last week in Kashmir after the Indian and Pakistani armies agreed to halt cross-border firing that has threatened to unravel a fragile peace process.“We believe in peace on the border and are always ready to offer a hand in the hope of friendship,” Mukherjee said in a televised address on the eve of the country’s Republic Day celebrations.“But this hand should not be taken for granted,” he added.Before the ceasefire, Pakistan said three of its soldiers had been killed in firing by Indian troops along a de facto border dividing Kashmir between the two nations that is known as the Line of Control (LoC).India, in turn, accused Pakistani troops of killing two of its soldiers, one of whom it claimed was beheaded.Pakistan has denied any responsibility for the violence.“Neighbours may have disagreements, tension can be a subtext of frontiers,” Mukherjee said. “But sponsorship of terrorism through non-state actors is a matter of deep concern to the entire nation.”Mukherjee was referring to Indian suspicions that the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group that India blames for the deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks in which 166 people died may have helped to instigate the hostilities.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2013 00:02

saip wrote:Who is getting slaughtered here, the good, the bad or the ugly (not that it matters)?

Clash of militants leaves 53 killed

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Based on the 30 dead its TTP vs its sarkari opponents.

TTP is good or bad based on who they are attacking.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 26 Jan 2013 00:49

Interesting tidbit. Pagal sehgal leads one of Pakistans biggest private security firms and they are building up their abilities. Including electronic surveillance and security. Starting security firms seems to be the new gold rush. Also fellow has started an international advocacy group for free mobility of people (at least the rich ones ). Guess the green passport is not taking him places. Anecdotally this seems to bother many pakis and they are trying to negotiate easier visas in the Asia pacific region (and India in particular )

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby anupmisra » 26 Jan 2013 02:15

Anujan wrote:Starting security firms seems to be the new gold rush.


It's been a money spinner for many out of work pakis with dubious backgrounds, including Jail Mahdi (pbuh) Hamid and Jabba Da Hutt.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby RCase » 26 Jan 2013 03:53

Jhujar wrote:http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft/article.php?issue=20130125&page=14

Balochistan as two-nation province
Quoted in Dunya leader of Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party Mehmood Khan Achakzai stated that Pakistan must accept the prior right of the Baloch over all natural resources of Balochistan. He said the Balochistan issue would be resolved when the existence of two nations - Baloch and Pashtun - was accepted there through a constitutional arrangement. He said the chief minister's post should alternate between the two nations.


The Pakis and Baloch belong to two different philosophies, social customs. Indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Pakis and Baloch derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different heroes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. :mrgreen:

Pakistanis are believers in TNT. They should uphold the words of their Baba-e-Quam the Quaid and give Balochistan its much due independence.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 26 Jan 2013 04:04

Charlie wrote:Superb must read piece on CRI by Vinod Sharma

ISI plotting with Congress for 2014 Victory


Great article. The following is what I posted yesterday in a couple of threads. The penny has dropped, thanks to Shinde. Its becoming obvious that ISI and Congress are 2 sides of the same coin. It may sound preposterous to the average Indian, but its easy to connect the dots.

Running upto the 2014 elections, I wouldnt rule out any of the following from the CDTD - Congress Dirty Tricks Department:

a) Joint ISI-Congress organized terror attacks. It could be low grade. It can be used to artificially implicate Hindus, thereby lending credence to Shinde's remark. These joint ISI-Congress projects could take the form of actively working together on planning/execution (or) one party providing men/material and the other just looks away (or) deliberately overlooking IB terror warnings etc.

b) Some "landmark evidence" against Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya etc will suddenly surface

c) Communal attacks to polarize the votes further. This could either be the usual, easily excitable Islamists initiating the violence, which is the norm. It could also be Congress sleeper cells within BJP, MNS etc "turning active" and instigating or retaliating

Shinde has revealed the cards. Congress believes that the demographics and Hindu disunity are in its favor to such a great extent that they believe "more polarization, the better". They will go to any extent, including sleeping with the enemy, to retain power. All the masks are falling away now & we can see the beast for what it really is.

On a different note, why is Census 2010-2011 results not yet released? It was due to be released in 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby sadhana » 26 Jan 2013 04:48

Apart from general and longstanding Congress incompetence in Home affairs(deliberate and calculated incompetence), I think the Shinde statement was like a 'place holder' to keep Rahul Gandhi's constituency happy in tense times. It has no further or practical effect domestically for a number of reasons:

1. ISI/Pak Army/Pak govt will be engaged in mutual discord and manipulations/assassinations over next Pak government: first interim govt then elections then post-elections.

2. ISI/Pak Army/Pak govt will be engaged in mutual discord and manipulations/assassinations with the US and Afghanistan over Afghanistan.

3. ISI/Pak Army/Pak govt will be engaged in mutual discord and manipulations/assassinations with good and bad Taliban over Afghanistan.

4. (Major caveat) However don't discount that Shinde's statement has given opening/talking points to Pak Army/ISI/Pak govt to orchestrate violent incidents in J&K, rest of India or Afghanistan to manipulate John Kerry their great friend and play him like a fiddle. Shinde's statement has certainly granted openings for ISI/Pak Army/Pak govt to wage violence against India in pursuit of above activities 1, 2 and 3.

But apart from the serious and dangerous ill effects as listed in 4, the Shinde statement is more like putting acchar in burney for Rahul Gandhi to use after 2 years. JMT.


Also: I think members of the next coalition with Congress should insist on a fundamental condition: that Congress should not hold Ministry of Home Affairs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 26 Jan 2013 06:19

saip wrote:Who is getting slaughtered here, the good, the bad or the ugly (not that it matters)?

Clash of militants leaves 53 killed

Link

The point to note is that there are several tribal groups operating in this region and everybody owes allegiance to Mullah Omar. There are groups like Ansar-ul-Islam (AuI) led by Tirah-based Qazi Mehboob-ul-Haq, Amal Bil Maroof Nahi Anil Munkir (Prevention of Vices and Promotion of Virtues) led by Haji Namdar (killed already) and Mangal Bagh led Lashkar-e-Islam (LeI) in the adjacent Bara Valley. There are deep clannish divisions going back several hundred years among them. The PA, like the British, have been using these divisions to its advantage. For example, Mangal Bagh's LeI is 'bad Taliban' because it attacks the PA while Mehboob-ul-Haq's AuI is 'good' Taliban because they receive payments from the PA and do not attack them.

In the present case, it seems that the old sarkari 'good' Taliban are being massacred. This has been the trend in the last two months or so. Maulvi Nazeer ('good' Taliban of South Waziristan) was killed first, followed by killing of some commanders of Gul Bahadur (another 'good' Taliban operating in North Waziristan), and now another 'good' Taliban is being targetted in Tirah.

I now believe that the 'bad' Taliban's strategy now is to bring a homogeneity to their ranks. Earlier, in a sustained campaign of a few years, they eliminated inconvenient jirga leaders of these areas so that they could easily influence the tribes and clans. Now, they seem to be eliminating clannish warlords who have been otherwise part of their campaign so far. The Taliban campaign of 1992-1996 in Afghanistan is now getting enacted in Jhyber-Pakhtunkhwa province. When will it extend to the rest of Pakistan is the question.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby arun » 26 Jan 2013 07:26

saip wrote:Who is getting slaughtered here, the good, the bad or the ugly (not that it matters)?

Clash of militants leaves 53 killed

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For a Friday that is the Mohammadden Sabbath and not just any run of the mill Friday but a Friday that happens to be the birthday of founder of Mohammaddenism, that is quite a death toll. The religious sanctity of the day certainly did not seem to have evinced enough “brotherly” “ummah” feelings to set aside Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence.

The people of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have most certainly done their bit to disapprove the claims of the adherents of Mohammaddenism from elsewhere that theirs is “The Religion of Peace”.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby pgbhat » 26 Jan 2013 10:51

Army denies launching anti-beard drive
According to Col (R) Inamur Rahim, the counsel for Major Zaheeruddin, his client was forcibly retired despite the fact that he was keeping beard in accordance with the Army Rules Instructions (AR(I) 684) that require the beard to remain within the limits of four fingers below the under chin. However, he said, since the khaki top brass seem to have launched an anti-beard drive in the Army, his client was told by his Brigade Commander and the General Officer Commanding in Lahore to trim down his beard, which he refused, and was subsequently sent home despite the fact that it was an unlawful command.

However, a senior army officer in Rawalpindi, who requested anonymity, refuted that the Army leadership has ordered any drive against those sporting beards in the armed forces. To a question, the army officer dispelled the impression that Major Zaheer was punished for growing beard. “The action against him was purely taken on disciplinary basis for refusing to obey his seniors which was tantamount to disobeying the institutional regulations and it should not be exploited to defame the military leadership”, he added while reminding that Zaheer’s petition has been filed by Col (R) Inamur Rahim who has already challenged in the Islamabad High Court the extension granted to COAS General Kayani.

The Colonel was subjected to severe torture on November 14, 2012 in Rawalpindi by unidentified assailants, a few days after he had filed the petition. But Major Zaheeruddin is not the first officer of the Pakistani armed forces who has been forcibly retired from the military service for his refusal to trim his long beard. Way back in March 2005, then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf had dismissed five officers of the Pakistan Air Force following their refusal to shave off their beards despite repeated warnings by their seniors. The move was a part of the General’s efforts to rein in the fundamentalist elements who had tried to kill him in Rawalpindi twice in a short span of one month while using suicide bombers. The PAF officers who had been forcibly retired in August 2005 were all pilots of the fighter planes including Squadron Leader Mohsin Hayat Ranjha, Squadron Leader Naveed Riaz, Flight Lieutenant Mohammad Saqib, Flight Lieutenant Mohammad Ajmal and Flight Lieutenant Fazl-e-Rabbi. They had refused to trim their beards, saying they were doing so in line with the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby rajanb » 26 Jan 2013 11:27

^^^^ Peard politics :rotfl:

The length of the peard is directly proportional to the fundamentalist mindset. :shock:
A new term : My peard is longer than yours. Take that!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby sum » 26 Jan 2013 11:30

the beard to remain within the limits of four fingers below the under chin

Four Finger test for pious beards? :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Suppiah » 26 Jan 2013 12:19

What about the fanatic barbaric terrorist that was pictured in the corps commander meeting? Exempt?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 26 Jan 2013 12:19

sum wrote:
the beard to remain within the limits of four fingers below the under chin

Four Finger test for pious beards? :rotfl:

Fabulous, sum ji.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby rohitvats » 26 Jan 2013 14:22

I have been reading autobiography of an ex-PA officer (Brigadier - Armored Corps/SSG) who served until early 90s. Interesting thing is he was CO of one of the PA Armored Regiments which got decimated in Longewala by Hunters.

From the reading I came to know of a strange practice in PA - Officers can be summarily retired and forced to leave service on displeasure of senior army officer. And there is no recourse to any form of legal system. You are simply asked to pack your bags and go home. This officer was also retired in this fashion when he was a Brigadier.

I guess, this is one of the aces up the sleeves of seniors to keep the junior officers in line with the diktats from the top and keep the 'Kabila' together.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby habal » 26 Jan 2013 14:25

that's a good catch. They have to use extreme techniques to maintain discipline. An Islamic force is inherently indisciplined because it is always in a struggle to prove who is more Islamic, unless there is a leader who rules with an iron rod and everyone is afraid. Only terror can discipline Islamists.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby sum » 26 Jan 2013 14:29

rohitvats wrote:
From the reading I came to know of a strange practice in PA - Officers can be summarily retired and forced to leave service on displeasure of senior army officer. And there is no recourse to any form of legal system. You are simply asked to pack your bags and go home. This officer was also retired in this fashion when he was a Brigadier.


Maybe it is also one way of maintaining deniability and the pretence of "non-state" actors?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 26 Jan 2013 14:42

So much for sovirginity
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html

Britain's High Commissioner to Pakistan has risked a diplomatic row by accusing the country's government of failing its people and calling for a "radical change".... In a discussion with Pakistani journalists, he said the government had failed to deliver on reform and called on politicians to lead by example.
"In many respects Pakistan needs radical change," he said, adding that change should only come through constitution means through the ballot box.
"Pakistan's economy is not growing fast enough, Pakistan's governments - federal and provincial - are not delivering enough to the people. Pakistan has an energy problem. Pakistan faces appalling challenges of violent extremism. Pakistan has suffered greatly from extremism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Raja Bose » 26 Jan 2013 14:50

rohitvats wrote:I have been reading autobiography of an ex-PA officer (Brigadier - Armored Corps/SSG) who served until early 90s. Interesting thing is he was CO of one of the PA Armored Regiments which got decimated in Longewala by Hunters.


Which book is this?

Amazing how all these Paki COs manage to survive in battles Niazi-style even when their entire regiment is destroyed. Compare them with someone like Colonel Tarapore.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby kenop » 26 Jan 2013 17:32

Impressive display of jointmanship by General Musharaf in dismissing people from the fizzliyah when he was also the president

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby member_23629 » 26 Jan 2013 18:22

habal wrote:that's a good catch. They have to use extreme techniques to maintain discipline. An Islamic force is inherently indisciplined because it is always in a struggle to prove who is more Islamic, unless there is a leader who rules with an iron rod and everyone is afraid. Only terror can discipline Islamists.


Exactly. I reached this conclusion many years ago, and that is the reason why democracy will never survive in any Islamic country.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 26 Jan 2013 20:24

Faking News: Hafiz Saeed has said that Shah Rukh Khan should come to Pakistan if he feels unsafe in India. That's funny in itself, and funnier given the fact that Pakistan couldn't give a safe stay even to Osama, their most valued guest.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby harbans » 26 Jan 2013 20:53

Amazing how all these Paki COs manage to survive in battles Niazi-style even when their entire regiment is destroyed.


Possibly it's not fighting or strategic acumen that gets promotions. With the PA running so many business's, business skills, personality, talking good english etc would matter more than professional fighting skills. Certainly the top brass in the PA siphon good money from their ventures.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anindya » 26 Jan 2013 21:40

Harvard University students plan India-Pakistan peace vigil

Sponsored by the South Asia Centre, Boston, and the Alliance for Secular and Democratic South Asia, the vigil at Harvard Square is aimed at voicing the students' concern over ceasefire violations at the LoC and the war hype being built up by "sections of the media and politicians in India that threatens peace in the region."

Condoling the loss of lives on both sides and "condemning any kind of mutilation or beheading of human bodies," the organisers called for independent investigations into these reported incidents so that the truth is known. ...

Appreciating that India and Pakistan have reiterated their commitment to continue the dialogue process, the sponsors said dialogue between the two countries must be uninterrupted and uninterruptible.

"Any deviation from this process will only encourage and strengthen extremist, hawkish and fanatical elements on both sides who want to derail the peace process," they said.

Urging India and Pakistan to stay the course and continue with the progress made towards normalising relations, the organisers said: "A prosperous and well-connected South Asia is our best response to these divisive factions." ...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anindya » 26 Jan 2013 21:49

some of you may remember, that Tehmina Adaya, a pakistani, had been found guilty of discrimination against Jews in her hotel in the LA area - well, she now has host an anti-islam group in her hotel....

Zionist group to honor anti-Islam activists at Hotel Shangri-La

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Vivek K » 27 Jan 2013 00:13

Prem Kumar wrote:
Charlie wrote:Superb must read piece on CRI by Vinod Sharma

ISI plotting with Congress for 2014 Victory


Great!! If you cannot win by normal means, call in for Geeehaaad against the INC. Folks, avoid this extreme polarization and return to saner dialogue.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby kish » 27 Jan 2013 00:57

Anujan wrote:So much for sovirginity
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html

Britain's High Commissioner to Pakistan has risked a diplomatic row by accusing the country's government of failing its people and calling for a "radical change".... In a discussion with Pakistani journalists, he said the government had failed to deliver on reform and called on politicians to lead by example.
"In many respects Pakistan needs radical change," he said, adding that change should only come through constitution means through the ballot box.
"Pakistan's economy is not growing fast enough, Pakistan's governments - federal and provincial - are not delivering enough to the people. Pakistan has an energy problem. Pakistan faces appalling challenges of violent extremism. Pakistan has suffered greatly from extremism.


Huh, they ask for radical changes in pakistan, when it happens they accuse pakistan for islamic radicalization. jeez these brits have forked tongue. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem » 27 Jan 2013 01:27

SSridhar wrote:
sum wrote:the beard to remain within the limits of four fingers below the under chinFour Finger test for pious beards? :rotfl: Fabulous, sum ji.


One inch for/from /of each Father ? BTW , from Indian POV,Pusskastan dont need radical but eradical change.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby RajeshA » 27 Jan 2013 02:02

Vivek K wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:ISI plotting with Congress for 2014 Victory

Great!! If you cannot win by normal means, call in for Geeehaaad against the INC. Folks, avoid this extreme polarization and return to saner dialogue.

Vivek K ji,

after the statements of HM Shri Sushikumar Shinde and MEA Salman Khurshid, no speculation on Congress's connections to Pakistani's Deep State is really unwarranted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby jagga » 27 Jan 2013 02:19

From the horse's mouth.
No mujahideen, only soldiers in Kargil: Pak General
In a candid admission that only regular troops of the Pakistan Army took part in the Kargil conflict with India in 1999 and not mujahideen fighters as claimed by Islamabad, a retired Pakistani Lieutenant General, who was then heading the analysis wing of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), has written that the intrusion was an "unsound military plan based on invalid assumptions" and there was a "cover-up" later by his then chief, General Pervez Musharraf.

In an article published in Pakistan's The Nation newspaper on January 6, Lt Gen Shahid Aziz, who retired in 2005 as commander of the IV Corps in Lahore, presents an account of the Kargil war that rejects many Pakistani claims about the conflict.

"There were no mujahideen, only taped wireless messages, which fooled no one. Our soldiers were made to occupy barren ridges, with hand held weapons and ammunition," Aziz said.

Criticising Musharraf in the article, Aziz makes the point that the entire battle was ill-planned and young soldiers were used as "war fodder" for the "misadventure".

"An unsound military plan based on invalid assumptions, launched with little preparations and in total disregard to the regional and international environment, was bound to fail. That may well have been the reason for its secrecy. It was a total disaster."

"Whatever little I know, took a while to emerge, since General Musharraf had put a tight lid on Kargil. Three years later, a study commenced by GHQ to identify issues of concern at the lowest levels of command, was forcefully stopped by him. 'What is your intent?' he asked."

The intrusion was clearly intended to dominate the supply line to Siachen and cut off the glacier for an invasion by Pakistani troops.

"It certainly wasn't a defensive manoeuvre. There were no indications of an Indian attack. We didn't pre-empt anything; nothing was on the cards. I was then heading the Analysis Wing of Inter Services Intelligence and it was my job to know," he wrote.

"To say that occupying empty spaces along the Line of Control was not a violation of any agreement and came under the purview of the local commander is astounding. This area was with the Indians as a result of Shimla Agreement, and there had been no major violation of the Line of Control since 1971."

Describing how Pakistan army soldiers died after they were isolated and came under the Indian counter attack, Aziz said assumptions were made by the military leadership that the Indian Army would not be able to dislodge the fighters from the heights.

"The boys were comforted by their commander's assessment that no serious response would come. But it did — wave after wave, supported by massive air bursting artillery and repeated air attacks. The enemy still couldn't manage to capture the peaks, and instead filled in the valleys. Cut off and forsaken, our posts started collapsing one after the other, though the General (Musharraf) publicly denied it," he said.

He criticised the manner in which Pakistani leaders thought that India would have a more subdued reaction to the invasion.

"The entire planning and execution was done in a cavalier manner, in total disregard of military convention. In justification, to say that our assessment was not wrong, but there was, "unreasonably escalated Indian response" is a sorry excuse for not being able to assess Indian reaction. Assumptions were made that they would not be able to dislodge us and the world would sit back idly."

"Kargil, like every other meaningless war that we have fought, brings home lessons we continue to refuse to learn. Instead, we proudly call it our history written in the blood of our children. Indeed, our children penning down our misdeeds with their blood! Medals for some, few songs, a cross road renamed, and of course annual remembrance day and a memorial for those who sacrificed their tomorrow for our today; thus preparing more war fodder for our continuing misadventures. Since nothing went wrong, so there is nothing to learn. We shall do it again," he wrote.


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