Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby RamaY » 28 Jan 2013 05:31

venug wrote:
I agree with Saeed, he should force Pakistani governement to make aranagement for lawful immigration of Indian Muslims to the land of pure.


Jhujar ji,

What will happen if Indian muslims who have Indian nation at heart but for various reasons make up their minds to migrate to TSP, and the hardcore ones who are on the payroll of their masters back in TSP stay back in their respective pockets in say Hyd, Kerala elsewhere, just to make sure breaking India project is complete?


That is a genuine possibility. But the per capita GDP of India will increase, the Pakiness of remaining Indian Muslims will not be hidden for long (Taquiyya or not) and so on..

On the other hand, the migrated Muslims will benefit from a social culture that is more natural to their belief system, feel more secure among fellow Muslims, can vote for the party they want in the absence of fear of NM, they can freely marry their daughters to fellow muslims, they can get more support from Arab nations thus more dinars in hand and so on...

All in all a win-win strategy only.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby sadhana » 28 Jan 2013 05:33

Anujan wrote:On twitter, the bunch of Indian and Pakistani journos and talking heads calling for tough action against Indian consulate that gave a visa to Dawood Gilani (David Headley) are the same ones complaining about the "unnecessary hassle" to get an Indian visa. :roll:


Prob. the same people who are incessantly expressing their serious disapproval of the Indian President who said 'don't take friendship for granted' or Indian TV anchors who discussed beheadings but who have no problem with Hafiz Saeed(the beheader-in-chief) loudly doing his India-bashing on all their TV channels. :evil:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 28 Jan 2013 07:38

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/%22sign ... 2/1065555/

The Hurriyat leaders have come back from Pakistan with “advice” from the Pak Army to not start any direct negotiations with the Indian government for at least another year, signalling the onset of a season of mixed signals from across the border.

The seven-member delegation of Kashmiri separatist leaders led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, had detailed discussions on this with both Pakistani Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani as well as ISI DG Lt Gen Zahir-ul-Islam during their visit last month. {Apart from Hafiz Saeed which is also mentioned }


So the pakis think they will be in a better negotiating position next year.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby member_23629 » 28 Jan 2013 07:53

Apparently there is going to be a candle light vigil all over the world titled "India Pakistan Peace Now!". I mean, who are these buffoons and who is funding them?


The Goras of US -- the same dudes who are behind the "South Asia" thingie.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem » 28 Jan 2013 08:16

Anujan wrote:As time goes by, and with more missteps by Pakistan which will F-up their economy, tolerance and social stability even further (I am very confident about this) and India gives better opportunities to everyone, including minorities through better economy and education and other opportunities -- I am sure the equal==equal will give one last gasp before getting its 72.


2022 will usher in the era of 72 for Pakboos. South Asia will reevrt to natural be India onlee after Dec16, 2021. We can sit and wait while enjoying Paan, Popcorns and Pipes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 28 Jan 2013 09:51

Anujan wrote:http://m.indianexpress.com/news/%22signals-from-pak-to-hurriyat-avoid-talks%22/1065555/
The Hurriyat leaders have come back from Pakistan with “advice” from the Pak Army to not start any direct negotiations with the Indian government for at least another year, signalling the onset of a season of mixed signals from across the border.

So the pakis think they will be in a better negotiating position next year.

They are waiting for positive developments on the Af-Pak front, from both the US and the Taliban (including TTP). They don't want therefore the Hurriyat to concede any ground to GoI. From the looks, it is clear that the TSPA wants to make J&K (and possibly the rest of India) very bloody indeed. The PA/ISI may not wait for too long after the Taliban gain power, to attack India. They may do that even as the talks progress in Qatar/Paris during this year itself.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby RamaY » 28 Jan 2013 10:14

If PA is stupid enough to cause trouble in India during UPA2, they will get a bloody face as the sadistic UPA will see it as an opportunity to do a Kargil^2 and appear nationalist.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 28 Jan 2013 13:01

Well PA will hope International Powers can save its Butt like in the past.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 28 Jan 2013 13:17

The TSPA's (& TSP's) model is based on a short war or skirmish that would scamper a worried group of stakeholder nations to intervene and secure a result more favourable than it had been before the event. It does not care about any other effects.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby kenop » 28 Jan 2013 13:31

Planning is the key to success

Has the inscrutable Gen Kayani thrown a googly?

On January 19, the expected re-shuffle of Lieutenant Generals took place, giving some indication about Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani’s views on who could be his successor in November, 2013.

One of the important changes announced is the posting of Lt Gen Rashad Mahmood, GOC, IV Corps, Lahore, as Chief of General Staff. This is an important staff position which could be a stepping stone to the top slot. In the past, five Generals who served as CGS made it as Chief — Yahya Khan, Gul Hassan, Mirza Aslam Beg, Asif Nawaz and Jahangir Karamat — but several equally competent CGS missed out.

Rashad Mahmood belongs to Kayani’s parent arm – the Baloch regiment. He worked under him as DDG, ISI, but so has hisbatchmate, Lt Gen Zahirul Islam, now DG, ISI. According to the grapevine among senior retired Generals in Pakistan, Rashad is not rated very highly professionally but is regarded a rather average officer who goes with the flow. They believe the inscrutable Kayani may well have thrown a ‘googly’ to keep people guessing about his real choice.
Other reports, however, indicate that Rashad Mahmood may have political or clan connections in Punjab, especially to the Pakistan Muslim League (PML-Nawaz), which may go in his favour. The newly promoted Lt Gen Maqsood Ahmed goes as the new GOC, Lahore.

Lt Gen Haroon Aslam, GOC XXXI Corps, Bahawalpur, who is the senior-most in Rashad Mahmood’s batch, has been moved out as Director General, Logistic Staff with Zubair Hayat, another of those newly promoted, going in his place. From the Azad Kasmir regiment, Haroon held some crack assignments earlier, including as DG of the Special Services Group (SSG) in Cherat, but his slotting in the Logistic Staff assignment is considered a backwater job, where senior officers usually cool their heels before retirement.

Another senior General of the same batch who was till recently Corps Commander in Gujranwala, Raheel Sharif (of the Frontier Force regiment) has come in as Director General, Inspectorate of Weapons Evaluation &Training (IWET). This too is a routine staff job. Pakistani military analysts feel there is nothing exciting about Raheel and consider him as an average officer with a careerist approach.

The other two Generals in this cohort are Tariq Khan, GOC I Corps, Mangla and Zahirul Islam.

An officer from the Armoured Corps, Tariq is highly rated professionally and credited with the turn around against Islamists in Swat, where he was IG, Frontier Corps. He does not mince words and has tread on many toes. For this reason, he is sometimes regarded as too rash. He is believed to favour line command of deployed strategic assets. He has been often unfairly accused of being pro-American but his overall reputation as a good operational officer who can take hard decisions is well founded.

If Tariq has to be shifted from the Mangla command or if the Chief wants him to be in a lower key position in the Army Headquarters, he could be brought in as either Adjutant General or Quartermaster General. Alternatively, he could be left at Mangla and still be made the Chief, there being precedents of both Musharraf and Kayani himself not having done staff assignments before taking over as COAS.

Zahirul Islam is from the Punjab regiment. He belongs to a traditional military family (Janjuas). He is the junior-most in his batch. His main dilemma if one of his peers makes it as Chief would be whether to continue in ISI.

By the time Kayani’s term ends, a new prime minister and a new President (or Zardari himself, in a fractious second term) would be in position. Both would play a role in selecting the new chief from a panel of three or four names presented by the COAS. Whether Kayani conveys this preference in clear enough terms will be the million dollar question.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prasad » 28 Jan 2013 13:43

I'm pretty sure porkis can spell prostitute. Here they are prostituting the natural resources of their country for a few koti sikkays. The Markhor, an endangered animal, is allowed to be hunted, by paying a fee to the government during hunting season in Gilgit-Baltistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/491918/hunt ... y-of-2013/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby lakshmikanth » 28 Jan 2013 13:53

Big success for two nation theory:

Shah Rukh Khan should move to Pakistan: Hafiz Saeed

LAHORE: Jamaat-ud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed has said that Indian superstar Shah Rukh Khan can move to Pakistan if he does not feel safe in India. :rotfl:

The JuD chief has even offered to help him with his stay in the country, adding that Shah Rukh will be respected in Pakistan, reports The Express Tribune.

Saeed's invitation comes in response to Shah Rukh's recent statements in a magazine about life as a Muslim in India.

Shah Rukh said that he sometimes becomes the inadvertent object of political leaders who choose to make him a symbol of all that they think is wrong and unpatriotic about Muslims in India. He further said that rallies have been held where leaders have exhorted him to leave and return to his "original homeland". :mrgreen:

Shah Rukh said that despite being an Indian, whose father fought for the freedom of India, there have been occasions when he has been accused of bearing allegiance to the neighbouring nation rather than his own country.

Saeed is considered as most wanted terrorist by India for his alleged association with Lashkar-e-Taiba and its anti-India activities. He, however, denies any wrongdoing and links to militants.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby ArmenT » 28 Jan 2013 14:15

Prasad wrote:I'm pretty sure porkis can spell prostitute. Here they are prostituting the natural resources of their country for a few koti sikkays. The Markhor, an endangered animal, is allowed to be hunted, by paying a fee to the government during hunting season in Gilgit-Baltistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/491918/hunt ... y-of-2013/

What wasn't mentioned in the article is that not only is the Markhor an endangered species, it is also the national animal of Pakistan as well! They're allowing anyone with enough $$ to shoot their national animal. They are truly prostituting their natural resources.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby sum » 28 Jan 2013 15:40

it is also the national animal of Pakistan as well! They're allowing anyone with enough $$ to shoot their national animal.

Only TSP-ians can come up with this :rotfl: :rotfl:

Sad that not just the humans but even the animals unlucky to be born in TSP have to bear with that curse for the rest of their short lives.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 28 Jan 2013 17:08

sum wrote:Sad that not just the humans but even the animals unlucky to be born in TSP have to bear with that curse for the rest of their short lives.

Jinnah, while listing out the differences between Pakistan & Hindustan, said that even flora & fauna were different.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby CRamS » 28 Jan 2013 19:03

Anujan wrote:http://m.indianexpress.com/news/%22signals-from-pak-to-hurriyat-avoid-talks%22/1065555/

The Hurriyat leaders have come back from Pakistan with “advice” from the Pak Army to not start any direct negotiations with the Indian government for at least another year, signalling the onset of a season of mixed signals from across the border.

The seven-member delegation of Kashmiri separatist leaders led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, had detailed discussions on this with both Pakistani Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani as well as ISI DG Lt Gen Zahir-ul-Islam during their visit last month. {Apart from Hafiz Saeed which is also mentioned }


So the pakis think they will be in a better negotiating position next year.


Indeed. First of all with all this "Hindu terror" BS going on in India, I haven't seen anyone, not even the useless loud-mouthed Arnab Goswami of TinesNow point out or question why these APHC punks are "moderate", why are they not referred to as the communal b@stards" they are, why are they not referred to as terrorist supporters they are, why were they allowed to meet Hafeez pigs etc?

Coming to your point, look, TSP is desperate for a change in status quo, something overt to show that they have "won" over India after all these 60+ years of existence. Just becoming a normal country after this neurotic obsession is simply impossible. Remember, a peaceful status quo means India wins big time, while for TSP, its only downhill. I mean India does not even have to win anything, the zero sum game victory for India is just being left alone. TSP knows that, and so do its 3.5. Its in none of their interests to let India off the hook.

Lets look at the ground situation. With the Kashmiri Muslim bigots in the Kashmir valley in their (TSP) hip pocket, with pretty much equal equal on the military front, actually in their favor if you include the pigLeTs & nukes, with the racist/colonial gora slimeballs in their favor and embarrassing India with their equal equal and sponsoring "piss" marches while TSP terrorizes and beheads our people, with a large swathe of Indian elite profusely begging them for peace (many of whom in their hearts of hearts would like India to give up Kashmir), an apathetic Indian public at large, and last but not the least, MMS/Sonia led INC taking on the mighty "Hindu terrorists", tell me one reason why TSP is going just pack up and back off and simply accept LoC == IB which India will sign on to in a heart beat? What would TSP have gained?

Bottom line: make no mistake about it, TSP is waiting to strike post AfPak. And by strike, its not an overt attack, TSP has many pigLeT levers it can pull. And ironically, TSP will be salivating at the thought of a BJP-led govt coming to power in Delhi. It then need not even worry a whiff about "international opinion". It can light a massive fire, get the diplomatic upper hand because after all, "Hindu extremists" are in power in Delhi in the eyes of the "international community", and in the ensuing satelmate, as is most likely, the "international community" will step in and do the needful. That is TSP's gameplan. I wonder if India, consumed by "Hindu terror" is even contemplating this so obvious a game plan of TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Suppiah » 28 Jan 2013 19:03

He was referring to future citizens of his country

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby kish » 28 Jan 2013 21:18

CRamS wrote:
Bottom line: make no mistake about it, TSP is waiting to strike post AfPak. And by strike, its not an overt attack, TSP has many pigLeT levers it can pull. And ironically, TSP will be salivating at the thought of a BJP-led govt coming to power in Delhi. It then need not even worry a whiff about "international opinion". It can light a massive fire, get the diplomatic upper hand because after all, "Hindu extremists" are in power in Delhi in the eyes of the "international community", and in the ensuing satelmate, as is most likely, the "international community" will step in and do the needful. That is TSP's gameplan. I wonder if India, consumed by "Hindu terror" is even contemplating this so obvious a game plan of TSP.


Succinctly put saar. Every major power will try to destabilize its adversary when it is in turmoil and make sure the adversary would not pose formidable threat in the future. The past decade was India's opportunity to severely destabilize pakistan with its earthquake, floods, ethnic and sectarian violence. Instead, what we saw is largesse from the Indian government to help its long lost brother in the hope that pakis would not foment any trouble in India. Already there are signs that, post 2014 the country would be busy dealing with pakis as it used to be in 90s.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2013 21:25

Also note the beheading of Indian soldiers was to stiffen the Hurrirats spine for they looked like ready to throw the towel during their visit to pakisatan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2013 21:45

kenop wrote:Planning is the key to success

Has the inscrutable Gen Kayani thrown a googly?




Its all humbug. TSPA won't/can't fight any new wars. Hence all that corpse commanding expertise is useless. What they need is how to control the civilians and the Indian relationship. Thats where ISI command helps.

So the next ghazi will be another ISI dreg.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 28 Jan 2013 22:14

TFTAs taking more overt control of Muridke
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ja ... e-madrasas

I am not sure if this is solely aimed at India or to generate canon fodder for TFTAs for the green vs green

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Jan 2013 22:41

ramana wrote:Also note the beheading of Indian soldiers was to stiffen the Hurrirats spine for they looked like ready to throw the towel during their visit to pakisatan.


you hit the nail on the head, now watch out for the head going on show in various madrassah's...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anujan » 28 Jan 2013 22:42

If Hurrirats want some semblance of a political future, they better negotiate with GOI in good faith and get into the political mainstream. Else they will be used and discarded, possibly even killed, like so many of them have been in the past.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Dipanker » 28 Jan 2013 23:10

CRamS wrote:
Indeed. First of all with all this "Hindu terror" BS going on in India, I haven't seen anyone, not even the useless loud-mouthed Arnab Goswami of TinesNow point out or question why these APHC punks are "moderate", why are they not referred to as the communal b@stards" they are, why are they not referred to as terrorist supporters they are, why were they allowed to meet Hafeez pigs etc?

Coming to your point, look, TSP is desperate for a change in status quo, something overt to show that they have "won" over India after all these 60+ years of existence. Just becoming a normal country after this neurotic obsession is simply impossible. Remember, a peaceful status quo means India wins big time, while for TSP, its only downhill. I mean India does not even have to win anything, the zero sum game victory for India is just being left alone. TSP knows that, and so do its 3.5. Its in none of their interests to let India off the hook.

Lets look at the ground situation. With the Kashmiri Muslim bigots in the Kashmir valley in their (TSP) hip pocket, with pretty much equal equal on the military front, actually in their favor if you include the pigLeTs & nukes, with the racist/colonial gora slimeballs in their favor and embarrassing India with their equal equal and sponsoring "piss" marches while TSP terrorizes and beheads our people, with a large swathe of Indian elite profusely begging them for peace (many of whom in their hearts of hearts would like India to give up Kashmir), an apathetic Indian public at large, and last but not the least, MMS/Sonia led INC taking on the mighty "Hindu terrorists", tell me one reason why TSP is going just pack up and back off and simply accept LoC == IB which India will sign on to in a heart beat? What would TSP have gained?

Bottom line: make no mistake about it, TSP is waiting to strike post AfPak. And by strike, its not an overt attack, TSP has many pigLeT levers it can pull. And ironically, TSP will be salivating at the thought of a BJP-led govt coming to power in Delhi. It then need not even worry a whiff about "international opinion". It can light a massive fire, get the diplomatic upper hand because after all, "Hindu extremists" are in power in Delhi in the eyes of the "international community", and in the ensuing satelmate, as is most likely, the "international community" will step in and do the needful. That is TSP's gameplan. I wonder if India, consumed by "Hindu terror" is even contemplating this so obvious a game plan of TSP.



Bottomline is Paki can't win, India s too big for them. They haven't in the past, in fact they have lost every single war against India, including 1/2 of their country, and I don't see how they can in future, given the downhill trajectory they are on. Given it's trajectory Pakistan will have to hit the bottom before it can contemplate change in it's fortune.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby member_22872 » 29 Jan 2013 00:40

Indian govt should provide security to SRK: Malik

He (Shahrukh) is born India [ Images ]n and he would like to remain Indian, but I will request the government of India (to) please provide him security. I would like to request all Indian brothers and sisters and all those who are talking in a negative way about Shahrukh, they should know he is a movie star,
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He was responding to questions about a first-person account penned by Shahrukh in a magazine, in which the star focused on his experiences as a Muslim in the post-9/11 world. Malik said that extremism was growing around the world.

India has realised now which I identified three years backthat this (extremism) is going to grow in India," he claimed. Pakistan, he said, would not exploit such extremism or "use it negatively"

He addedm, "Let's get together and fight against this extremism and terrorism because we are working for betterment and peace in Pakistan and India".


:rotfl: real joker no? what is this perpetual itch in their musharaffs the TSPians suffer from that makes them issue statements like these?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Anindya » 29 Jan 2013 01:04

Mosques should also pay for water, says KWSB

Almost 95 per cent of an estimated 200,000 mosques and Imambargahs don’t pay us anything

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby lakshmikanth » 29 Jan 2013 01:11

First Hafiz-e-Suar, now Malik-e-pig asking SRK to go to Pakistan coz he is not "safe" in India.

I guess SRK should now double his security against the Bakis and watch his back.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby lakshmikanth » 29 Jan 2013 01:15

Dipanker wrote:Bottomline is Paki can't win, India s too big for them. They haven't in the past, in fact they have lost every single war against India, including 1/2 of their country, and I don't see how they can in future, given the downhill trajectory they are on. Given it's trajectory Pakistan will have to hit the bottom before it can contemplate change in it's fortune.


The pigs might be thinking is that they just won an ass-symetric war against the biggest suppar pawer of the world USofA and NATO and India is no match. They want to secure their western front before they can come back and "deal" with India. What better time to do it than the year of Indian General election where a dummy regime rules (more dummier than the one sitting in the delhi durbar now).

Expect more and more noises on Water, Yindoo terror and ofcourse more trouble in Cashmere.

It is important that the Indian covert ops, if it has a strategic wing, convinces the ISI to think bigger; much bigger than India. We have to motivate the Baki to take on the whole world. Make the inbred sewer pigs the problem of the whole world.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby RajeshA » 29 Jan 2013 01:59

Bakis intend to side with the Iranians and close Indian access to their soft rear side and then do their Jihad on India. It is time we plow a furrow through Baluchistan giving us unhindered access to Pakistan's rear which the Afghans often hit on, but something we need to oversee and direct.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby MurthyB » 29 Jan 2013 02:07



Interesting show. I guess it is this type of thing that gives the peaceniks in India ammunition for the aman kis asha initiatives. The Pakistani students in the audience here seem to be in no mood to buy the military-ISI's lies.

Haji Adeel, an associate of Bacha Khan I think, got a lot of applause for his points on the peace process including one on India being permitted to create electricity generation damns in the IWT (to rebut the usual canard by queereshi types that India is stealing water)

One dude from Khyber Pakthunwa is pissed about the conditions in the tribal areas, and admonishes the jernail and qeereshi that India is observing how KPites are being treated and they will certainly not fear you.

All in all, the students seem quite liberal and desirous of a different narrative about India, and seem to reject the decades of state sponsored brainwashing.

My ordooo ain't too good, but the results of the debate were:

Pre debate
1: 70% of audience believes Pakistan's peace with India is based on something something (Haji Adeel's POV)
2: 30% of audience believes Pakistan's peace with India is based on 'kamzori' (Qeereshi and another jernail's POV)

Post debate
1: 85%
2: 15%

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Prem » 29 Jan 2013 03:21

Gunmen kill three including PAF guards in Pasni: officials

YAWN

QUETTA: Gunmen shot dead two Pakistan Air Force (PAF) security guards and a shopkeeper in Pasni area of Balochistan province on Monday, officials said.The three were killed in the Pasni area of Gawadar district, 720 kilometres (447 miles) southwest of the provincial capital Quetta.“The deceased soldiers were identified as Muhammad Ibrahim and Khurram Shahzad while the local shopkeeper was named as Elahi Bukhsh resident of Awaran district,” local official Abdul Fatah Bhanger told AFP.Another official said the security personnel came under attack while buying food at a market.“The security personnel came to Pasni bazaar for purchase of edible items when unknown armed men opened indiscriminate fire on them,” Akbar Hussain Durrani, the home secretary of Balochistan, told AFP.“After the attack, the gunmen escaped on a motorbike,” he said.Later, Baloch Liberation Front (BLF), a rebel group, claimed responsibility for the attack.“Security personnel are our targets, but we did not intend to kill the shopkeeper,” Gwaram Baloch, a BLF spokesman said.“We have time and again warned the local people to stay away from the security forces because they are on our target,” he added.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby James B » 29 Jan 2013 03:25



Surprised to see Paki students thrashing their Army for the Pakistan's current state. Ahmed Qureshi had no answers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Vipul » 29 Jan 2013 04:33

Signals from Pak to Hurriyat: Avoid talks.

The Hurriyat leaders have come back from Pakistan with "advice" from the Pak Army to not start any direct negotiations with the Indian government for at least another year, signalling the onset of a season of mixed signals from across the border.

The seven-member delegation of Kashmiri separatist leaders led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, had detailed discussions on this with both Pakistani Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani as well as ISI DG Lt Gen Zahir-ul-Islam during their visit last month.

It's learnt that the Kashmiri separatists pushed for a role in the ongoing talks between the two countries, urging the Pakistan Army to go back to former Pakistan president Gen Pervez Musharraf's four-point formula. However, sources said, neither Kayani nor his ISI chief were enthused by the suggestion and while they were supportive of the current dialogue process, there was no indication of how they intended to proceed on the Kashmir issue.

At one point, the separatist leaders brought up the feelers coming from New Delhi to start talks with these Kashmiri groups within a domestic framework. The advice on this was in the negative.

The message was clear that Rawalpindi did not see this as an opportune time for investing energy on Kashmir, especially because a lot is expected this year in both domestic politics and on the Af-Pak front as US troops plan their withdrawal from the region.

The delegation also met LeT's Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and Hizbul Mujahideen's Syed Salahuddin, both wanted for terror attacks in India. Saeed is said to have made it clear that use of violence was the only way to resolve the Kashmir issue. However, sources said, they too gave the impression of "lying low" this year.

In contrast, the meetings with Pakistan's political parties were far more positive. Parties across the board impressed on the separatists that dialogue was the only way forward, indicating that Hurriyat too should invest in the effort. PML(N) leader and former Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif told them that he had laid an excellent foundation for this through the Lahore Declaration in February 1999, but the Army under Gen Musharraf had sabotaged it by staging Kargil.

The most accommodating was cricketer-turned politician Imran Khan. He is believed to have told the delegation that they could frame their demands and give it to him, which he promised to reflect verbatim in his manifesto. In other words, he told the separatist leaders that their formulation would be his party's position.

But the larger message was not lost on the Hurriyat leaders: no direct channel with the Indian government for, at least, a year. This, insiders said, has also got New Delhi thinking that there is more than what meets the eye in this election year for Pakistan. Kayani, it may be noted, also finishes his term in September this year.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby shiv » 29 Jan 2013 06:53


This means that in the next 3-4 years there will be an attempt on Shah Rukh Khan's life sponsored by Pakistan and they will blame it on Hindu terrorists. If Khangres is in power they will say "You said so yourself". If BJP in power they will say "Hindutva".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby shiv » 29 Jan 2013 07:56

Up until the 1970s the Pakistani Islamic-Military nexus concentrated its efforts in trying to get Indian Muslims to revolt, on the belief that Indian Muslims were dissatisfied with their lot. After the 70s - Pakistan found a "dissatisfied bunch" among Khalistan separatists whom they could sponsor. Their current efforts are a variation of the old theme but the Pakistani Islamic-Military oligarchy now probably wants to target Indian Muslims and cite is as Hindu terrorism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 29 Jan 2013 08:08

shiv wrote:Their current efforts are a variation of the old theme but the Pakistani Islamic-Military oligarchy now probably wants to target Indian Muslims and cite is as Hindu terrorism.

Because they now see a window of opportunity in kafir Hindustan. Since before Partition, the Muslim League and later the 'Establishment' in Pakistan, have always tried to grab any little 'window' to get even with or superior to India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby Samudragupta » 29 Jan 2013 08:13

I wonder if India, consumed by "Hindu terror" is even contemplating this so obvious a game plan of TSP.


Do TSP and its Fathers can stop this once it lits up.....Hindu Gov in Ganga is not in the interest of Indus....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby chetak » 29 Jan 2013 08:21

Anindya wrote:Mosques should also pay for water, says KWSB

Almost 95 per cent of an estimated 200,000 mosques and Imambargahs don’t pay us anything


Didn't some joker say something about someone having the first call on national resources?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Postby SSridhar » 29 Jan 2013 08:24

Pakistan civil society seeks peace
This is another canard being propagated these days by the RAPE and is being consumed by the liberal elites in India. These RAPEs are on a secret mission to influence Indian policy-making and GoI's policies are being framed on this wrong premise.
Arguing that multiple constituencies have come together seeking normalisation of ties with India, Pakistani civil society leaders have urged India to see their country as ‘work in progress,’ and take the ‘long-term view’ on contentious issues.

This was their key message at an unofficial India-Pakistan meeting organised by the New America Foundation, a Washington DC think-tank headed by author and journalist Steve Coll, in Dubai last week.

Participants included journalists, academics, entrepreneurs and business executives from both sides.

Najam Sethi, editor-in-chief of The Friday Times of Lahore, told the gathering that there was a fundamental shift in Pakistan’s stance, with an ‘across-the board’ consensus about the need for better relations. “The establishment has come a long way from the core issue approach — of dealing with Kashmir as core dispute to treating it as outstanding problem to looking for an out-of-the-box solution to now freezing it and pushing it off the radar screen.” With Pakistan having abandoned its traditional stance, he suggested it was time for India not to ‘harp on terrorism.’ “We have closed the tap on jehad .” {How can he say that with a straight face when his own TFT is carrying articles stating that the State is being taken in by extremist fervour all over ?}

Failure of economy

Questioned about the attitude of the military and intelligence components of the government, Mr. Sethi said that several factors had forced the Pakistani military to reassess what had gone wrong — the long-term failure of the economy; the fact that they could not count on U.S. support for any intervention and Pakistan would become a ‘far-away blip’ for the U.S. soon; the emergence of a strong media and judiciary; and the consensus among political actors, including the Opposition, to allow for democratic transition.{These are all temporary. The real change will come only when the Army realizes the futility and the wrong of it all. Any change in any of these listed conditions would tempt the army to have a go at India once again, as we are witnessing now with the thaw in the US-PA relationship. Unless the Pakistani Army changes fundamentally even when the above factors are favourable to it, India cannot let its guard down. Najam Sethi knows that but he is fooling us with glib talk}

“The military now needs and wants civilian ownership for key measures. Top political leaders including President Zardari and Nawaz Sharif, all business chambers, and civil society seek better ties with India. It is time for the Indian civil society to question its own state’s narrative of national security and push for better ties.” {Najam Sethi is making it appear that GoI is not responsive to Pakistan's hand of friendship. Put India on the defensive all the time to extract concessions.}

While lauding the democratic transition in Pakistan, Indian delegates pointed out that terrorism would remain a ‘touchy issue,’ and expressed scepticism about whether the shift in Pakistan was ‘strategic or tactical.’ Explaining the role of the electronic media in ratcheting up the pressure on the government, a senior television editor pointed out that similar incidents in the past — of ceasefire violations, straying of helicopters and soldiers — had been brushed under the carpet. “But in the recent instance, within 90 minutes of the incident, information was on my twitter timeline. Governments have to learn to cope with rapid information flows, media hype and jingoism.”

Trade boost

Presenting a paper on trade dynamics, Nisha Taneja of the Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations (ICRIER) highlighted how from 2004, trade and political issues were delinked and a process of normalisation commenced, including trade across the Line of Control in 2008. The game-changer was in November 2011, when Pakistan agreed to move towards granting India MFN status, by first moving from a positive to a negative list of items banned rather than permitted, and then phasing out the negative list. {But, after two years, Pakistan has still not granted MFN. So, what is she talking about ?}

Her research findings suggested trade potential between the two countries is between $20 billion and $30 billion, while current trade is less than $2 billion. Items with largest export potential from India to Pakistan include machineries, mechanical appliances and electrical equipment, and chemicals and textiles. Textile, jewellery, precious metals and base metals have the highest import potential from Pakistan. “In Pakistan, the automobile sector is protected while India fears textile imports — where Pakistan enjoys a comparative advantage.”


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