Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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From the Tribune:
Army denies raid across LoC
Srinagar, January 6
The Army on Sunday denied having conducted a raid across the Line of Control (LoC) in the Uri sector of North Kashmir, amid reports the armies exchanged heavy fire for almost five hours.

The Army blamed Pakistani troops for violating the ceasefire in Churanda village of Haji Pir sector, which was aimed at pushing militants into the
Indian side.


“The Pakistan army posts opened unprovoked heavy machinegun and mortar fire on the Indian posts in the Uri sector to infiltrate terrorists. The Indian Army gave a calibrated response and foiled their attempt to sneak through. The firing which started at 3 am continued till 8 am. Houses of some civilians were damaged due to the firing by the Pakistani troupes. There has been no cross-border movement by Indian troops,” a spokesman of the Ministry of Defence, Northern Command, Lt Col Rajesh Kalia said.

The Pakistan army had earlier in the day announced that one of its soldiers was killed and another injured in Haji Pir sector when the Indian troops crossed the LoC, and raided a Pakistani check post. Pakistani Army had claimed that its troops repulsed the attack.

The General-Officer-Commanding (GOC), 19 Infantry Division, Major General VG Khandare, said Pakistani firing was unprovoked. “They used heavy machineguns and fired 82-mm mortar shells and a shell hit a house in Churanda which was damaged,” Khandare said. "The Pakistani firing was unprovoked," he added.

The General said they have communicated to the Pakistan Army that such violations were not acceptable. “But so far we have not got any response from them,” he said.

The Indian and Pakistani troops have been exchanging fire in Churanda village over past two months, which is only 120 meters away from the LoC.

The first major ceasefire violation in Churanda village took place on October 16, when three civilians, Mohammad Shafi, 30, Liayaqat, 17, and a girl Shanhwaz were killed when Pakistani troops opened fire on the village.

Since the first ceasefire violation, the two Armies have been regularly exchanging fire. The Pakistani Army has been accusing India of constructing new bunkers in the village, an allegation denied by the Indian Army.The real issue

In fact, a flag meeting was later held on November 22 between the two sides in Uri and the both sides had agreed to hold the ceasefire that has been in place since 2003.

Before the ceasefire on the LoC, Uri was the one the worst-affected sectors in the cross-border shelling. Heavy shelling had forced residents to migrate to safer places. In the Uri sector alone, more than 50 civilians had lost their lives and dozens were injured in the cross-border shelling since 1990, besides, hundreds of residential houses were also razed to the ground. After 2003, the entire Uri sector has been calm, even though the militants sometimes tried to cross over the LoC after scaling or cutting the barbed wire fencing.
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Bilateral relations: No real progress if Mumbai ‘wishlist’ ignored: India
http://dawn.com/2013/01/07/bilateral-re ... red-india/
NEW DELHI: Indian Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid has cautioned Pakistan that no substantive progress can be made in bilateral relations if New Delhi’s expectations from Islamabad are ignored in bringing the Mumbai terror suspects to justice, Press Trust of India reported on Sunday.It said Pakistan’s response to India’s `wishlist’ with regard to those behind the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks is `critical’ to substantive movement in the bilateral dialogue.What Islamabad has done so far about it is ‘not to our satisfaction’, Mr Khurshid told Press Trust of India in an interview, while taking stock of ties between the neighbours in 2012.Mr Khurshid did not see the allegedly provocative statements made by Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik while he was in India recently as a ‘setback’ in the dialogue process.What is said or what gesture is made is not ‘critical’, he said. “I don’t see it as a setback at all. But I do believe and (what) we all believe in this country is that dialogue will move smoothly, faster and in a right direction provided the wishlist lying with Pakistan given by India as far as the Mumbai tragedy is concerned is responded to. That is a critical thing, not what is said, not what gesture is made.“Ultimately, it is the delivery of the fundamental aspects that are required to be fulfilled…Unless that is done, we will not have substantive movement. And it has not been done to satisfaction,” the minister said.Asked about the delay in Pakistan granting Most Favoured Nation status to India, Mr Khurshid said India would do whatever needed to be done to persuade them to move on this.“We believe that it should have been done. We will do whatever needs to be done to persuade them that we should now be able to do it. It is not something which should be delayed indefinitely. It is not something we should just forget that it happened.“We have to get them back on track. If they have problems, they will certainly express them to us and obviously when it was being negotiated, they must have factored in all the different pulls and pushes, but we would like it to be moved forward and we will certainly persuade them to do so,” the minister said, adding that the issue “is always on the agenda”.
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Tarbela desilting to be costlier than new dam’

Arabi Banane ko Pakistan, Bannaye Dams woh Hindustan.Raiteli Hove jammen Terri Sarree, Tubb Hi Jayege BimariTumari
ISLAMABAD: An independent consultant hired by the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) is of the opinion that desilting of Tarbela dam is not a viable option, either economically or technically, and may damage the country’s largest power house and reservoir.A senior government official told Dawn on Sunday that Wapda had hired the Chinese consultant to conduct a feasibility study for desilting the Tarbela reservoir to recoup over 30 per cent capacity lost to silting over the years.One of the world’s largest earth-filled dam was completed in 1978 with World Bank’s assistance under the Indus Water Treaty signed by Pakistan and India. Owing to continuous silting and sedimentation, the dam’s storage capacity declined from 9.6 million acres feet (MAF) to about 6.6 MAF.The official said the feasibility study concluded that instead of undertaking such a mammoth exercise it would be more economical to build a new dam of the same size and capacity. “The silt and rock deposits in the dam are huge and require massive financing almost equal to the cost of a new dam.”He said the consultant was of the view the work of breaking rocks and boulders and flushing out silt deposits could damage the infrastructure of the power house and perhaps the dam structure. It would speed up the movement of delta and silt deposits.The official said the river flows carried to the dam over 500,000 tons of silt annually, resulting in a build-up of over 5 km delta inside the dam’s storage area. Over 25 acres of land in the reservoir has been filled with silt, reducing its storage capacity by over 3 MAF.The official said the dam had an estimated lifespan of 50 years which meant it would complete its designed life by 2029. He, however, said the process of sedimentation had slowed down in recent years which indicated the project might have a useful life of about 85 years i.e. until 2060.The downside is that Pakistan’s per capita water availability which stood at about 5,100 cubic metres in 1960 had already gone below 975 cubic metres per person — a threshold defining Pakistan among the water-scarce nations.This was mainly because of the reason that the 1960 treaty required Pakistan to build a dam of the size of Tarbela at least every decade but to the utter failure of planners and governments it could not take up even a single dam in more than four decades after completion of Tarbela.The Tarbela 4th extension project is being supported by the World Bank to increase the generation capacity of Tarbela power house to about 4,900MW from 3,500MW.The World Bank has already signed an agreement with the federal government and Wapda to provide about $840m — almost 90 per cent of the cost — for the project which is expected to be completed by 2016 and will be the first major hydropower capacity addition since completion of the 1,450MW Ghazi Barotha project in 2004.
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sum wrote:SSridharji, if i have to put myself in the shoes of TTP emirs then i would be asking myself this question of what i intend to achieve by making "peace" with TSPA ? After all, TTP came into prominence through barbaric violence that astounded even the most hardened jihadis . If TTP gives up violence and makes love with TSPA, TTP emirs will forever be confined to their caves and can forget about moving into those palatial houses in Islamabad. On the other hand if they keep up their demands for total shariah in Pakistan, breaking all political and diplomatic relationship with the west, end of zamindaari , they'll remain in news for a long time to come, so will the funds keep flowing from faithfuls across the ummah world. Why spoil a good thing by making amends with TSPA ? What can TSPA offer them other than sending them to Kashmir ?
Ambar, the TTP does not have an independence existence. It is part of the same Afghan Taliban group and act as per orders of the Quetta shura of the Kandahari Taliban. TTP has entered into so many 'peace deals' with TSPA before and each one lasted a few weeks and violnce erupted all over again. Each peace deal helped the TTP, not the TSPA, gain more ground and consolidate their position. A peace deal with TSPA is not tantamount to giving up on their demand of a shariah of their own interpretation. Even now, they demand the same while offering a dialogue with the TSPA. In fact, the Afghan Taliban have demanded the same in Afghanistan too.

Their idea is not to live on the generosity of TSPA. They want TSPA to be at their mercy just like the Afghan Taliban want Pakistan to be their 'strategic depth'. We have talked here for long about Pakistan being the reverse strategic depth of AQAM. This will happen after the new Geneva (or Paris or Istanbul or Riyadh or Qatar or whatever) peace deal. Then, TTP will become the TSPA and TSPA will be subsumed.
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AnantS wrote:From the Tribune: Army denies raid across LoC
You know, Pakis are of course going to keep the momentos of the surprise visit that the IA left behind. After all, two mard-e-momeens for the price of a dagger and a gun is not bad.
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ramana wrote:RM007= Rehman Malik, Interior Minister
007 being his IQ it is quite suitable name for RM.
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putnanja wrote:So does this mean that the pakis now occupy this post that India had vacated during winter?
Please dont be paranoid :) LoC is well defined and I am sure if pakis have occupied our post then that would be a matter of grave concern and will be dealt with same urgency and seriousness.
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abhijitm wrote:
ramana wrote:RM007= Rehman Malik, Interior Minister
007 being his IQ it is quite suitable name for RM.
007 orr 006=Chakka?
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007 comes from the fact that he was a former intel guy and then Ms. BB appointed him as Director of FIA and also as her personal security chief. I am doubtful if he has even completed schooling.
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Rehman Malik belongs to the third category:
Intelligence, animal
intelligence, human
intelligence, sub-human
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SSridhar
Rangudu, I agree that Maulvi Nazeer was an easier target in view of his injuries. However, on many other occasions, other injured Taliban could not be taken out by the drones, Hakimullah himself being a prime example. So far, it has been the Al Qaeda or bad Taliban who had been taken out by the drones, and this is the first time a high-quality good Taliban has been staked out. Though the Americans might have some assets on the ground to illuminate the targets for the drones to fire their missiles, it is the TSPA that can provide coordinates for an overwhelming number of targets.
Does Maulvi Nazeer is really dead? Even Whitehouse is denying to conform Nazeer's death.
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SSridhar wrote:007 comes from the fact that he was a former intel guy and then Ms. BB appointed him as Director of FIA and also as her personal security chief. I am doubtful if he has even completed schooling.
Makes perfect sense sir 007 as in "Saatvi phail" (Failed 7th std). :mrgreen:
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negi wrote:
SSridhar wrote:007 comes from the fact that he was a former intel guy and then Ms. BB appointed him as Director of FIA and also as her personal security chief. I am doubtful if he has even completed schooling.
Makes perfect sense sir 007 as in "Saatvi phail" (Failed 7th std). :mrgreen:
You mean 7th standard as per paki standard. Otherwise a person with that IQ reaching 7th grade itself is an achievement.
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jash_p wrote:Does Maulvi Nazeer is really dead? Even Whitehouse is denying to conform Nazeer's death.
There are reasons to believe he is dead. Cant rely on White House. I dont remember they confirmed the death of Iliyaz Kashmiri.
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Playing with TNT will cause explosions that can rip you apart! :D

I never thought that Pakis would admit to the fallacy of the TNT in public. This brings back the question, why Bakistan in the first place, when the state needs to be religion blind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqGoiQifp9k

Pervez Hoodbhoy pissed all over the TNT and painted a dreary picture of the set of peoples inhabiting the geographical area that is in the western part of the Indian Subcontinent (to Pakis - Sauth Asia/Al-Bakistan).
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http://www.tribune.com.pk/story/490059/ ... -to-tread/

It is always India has to do this do that do everything. All that these pathetic Pakis do is send across terrorists. Shall we compile a list of what all Pakis demand / expect India to do?

1. Hand over Kashmir, Siachen and Sir Creek.
2. Grant visas liberally to Pakis.
3. Give IPL access to Paki cricket players.
4. Share revenues from cricket series.
5. Make Bollywood movies that appeal to them.
6. Reduce trade barriers.
7. Share economic success with them under "South Asia" banner.
8. Reduce military presence along the India's western border so that they can fight on their western border.
9. Give Pakis access to Indian educational institutions.
10. Release more Indus water (but be prepared to take the blame when there are floods).
11. Stop building dams.

Please add to the list.
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ΔΔ hand over our budget to them as our Dhimmi in chief mentioned... they have first claim on our resources.
Disband army as Beijing puppet Stalinist rapist goons' posing as peaceniks demand...
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There is a proposal to give Pakis permission to invest directly in Indian companies (including IT companies). Its only time till fake shell companies start buying up real estate using money from Pakiland.
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That should be OK, the way our stupid govt is raping the value of rupee, they will lose big time
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Suppiah wrote:That should be OK, the way our stupid govt is raping the value of rupee, they will lose big time
may i humbly request BRF members to not use the term "rape" other than in its intended context. this is part of the cultural shift we have been discussing in the other thread
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Anujan wrote:There is a proposal to give Pakis permission to invest directly in Indian companies (including IT companies). Its only time till fake shell companies start buying up real estate using money from Pakiland.
Does aman ka durdaasha enable pakis, and related Indian entities, to get funds from those who enable funding NGOs in India? A lot of activities are passed off as usual in India, that is made to look joint Indo-pak program, while it is in control of just two media groups - ToI India and "Jung" group bakistan. However the kind of activities are numerous including TV programs, cricket matches, track 2 talks and so on.
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Lalmohan wrote: may i humbly request BRF members to not use the term "rape" other than in its intended context.
Ok let us use Canadian vija :-)
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partha,

I think it was the late J.N Dixt who is no hawk, who said what we on BR know. Many a TSP RAPE have told JND that as inheritors to the Mughal empire, they believe they are the chosen ones, and India's size and power is what keeps them all night plotting their next move. So your list is only partial, en route to TSP's grand design.
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They should be asked to send a dossier with detailed complaints. India should offer to cross examine the Pakistanis who made the complaint to determine the truth. The admissibility of the cross examination can be debated later.
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Has a cousin of a cousin of a cousin of a cousin returned from the cave complex to get his 140?
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Habn't joo been to the 72+69-1 location?
Joo bill no joorselb
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Pakistan should be told that in interest of good relations they should not get hung up on the past and need to move on. And we don't know.....perhaps the Pak Army soldier died of indigestion induced by over eating.
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Precisely. And one minor enhancement.
Raja Bose wrote:
Pakistan should be told that in interest of good relations they should not get hung up on the past and need to move on. And we don't know.....perhaps the Pak Army soldier died of indigestion induced by over eating grass.
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pakistan as the younger brother should show a big heart and forgiveness in this matter
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Tarek Fatah on Pakjabis
My heritage as a Punjabi has been effectively destroyed in Pakistan. It's a community ashamed of their own mother-tongue, shoe chattering middle classes are by and large ignorant of who they are and thus end up acting as if they are of Arab or Persian descent, thus making them empty vessels that become easily filled with false identities and hatred of the other.

This is a direct result of the 1947 Partition when non-Punjabi Muslims instigated Muslim Punjabis to slaughter their own neighbors and rip apart a 1,000-year-old society where Punjabi Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs flourished together. The same happened in Bengal too, but Muslim Bengalis woke up and realized their mistake. While Bengal's Muslims walked away from the two-nation theory in 1971-72, Punjabi Muslims hang on to it and have in effect vandalized their own past and future.
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President tasks BISP to send 150,000 skilled youth abroad :rotfl:
Dus Percenti Ki Ghanti ,Kommision Kitni banti ?
resident Asif Ali Zardari Monday tasked the Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP) to make plans for generating overseas jobs for 150,000 youth and trained them in different trades and vocations. The president directed that the task should be accomplished in consultation with the Ministries of Overseas Pakistanis and Foreign Affairse said it has attracted worldwide appreciation for its transparency, objectivity and efficiency and was reaching out to over seven million families in a short span of four years. He termed it a major achievement and felicitated the Chairperson BISP and all those who made it a success story.The President said that it was very rare that a program which was designed locally keeping in view the indigenous requirements of the population has gained acceptability and recognition not only at national level but also at the international forums due to its objectivity, fairness, outreach and effectiveness.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 86393.aspx
Voice samples match 26/11 intercepts, says Pakistan
Pakistan's Federal Investigating Agency (FIA) has indicated to Indian officials that they have a water-tight case against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and 28 other accused in 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

They have matched the voices of terrorists Abu Al Qama and Zarar Shah with the samples of the communication intercepts between Karachi-based LeT handlers and the Mumbai attackers on November 26, 2008, which were provided by India.
FIA has chargesheeted as many as 29 people in the 26/11 case with LeT terrorists Lakhvi, Shahid Jamal Baig, Mazhar Iqbal aka Abu Al Qama, Hammad Amin Sadiq and Abdul Wajid aka Zarar Shah already in preventive custody.

Sources said Pakistan authorities had discreetly shared their findings with Indian home ministry official Dharmendra Sharma, who had stayed back in Islamabad for two more days after three of his colleagues returned to New Delhi, on December 24, 2012.

The Pakistan officials told Sharma that they were confident of convicting Lakhvi, but still had to find evidence against Lashkar chief Hafiz Saeed.
Expect a statement from Pakistan denying this report as baseless. 400%.
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X-post from India-US Strategic thread
US asks India & TSP to end exchange of fire across the LoC
Apart from the US behaviour of treating the aggressor and the agrieved as equal, this appears to be the first time that the US has directly intervened in matters of such minor nature.
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SSridhar wrote:X-post from India-US Strategic thread
US asks India & TSP to end exchange of fire across the LoC
Apart from the US behaviour of treating the aggressor and the agrieved as equal, this appears to be the first time that the US has directly intervened in matters of such minor nature.
Oh no problem. We are the big brother no? Let us stop firing allow the assholes to come in. Ass holes are an important entity for life too, and Pakis are not being freely allowed in anywhere else so we will be magnanimous
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partha wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 86393.aspx
Voice samples match 26/11 intercepts, says Pakistan . . .They have matched the voices of terrorists Abu Al Qama and Zarar Shah with the samples of the communication intercepts between Karachi-based LeT handlers and the Mumbai attackers on November 26, 2008, which were provided by India.
The law to use such intercepts as evidence was amended through the Fair Trial Bill which was passed only on Dec. 20 212. The lawyers of the terrorists would argue that retrospective application would be a violation and the jihadi-pasand courts would accept that. The TSP government is enacting a drama to deceive us that it was seriously pursuing this case, not to hand over the voice samples of these terrorists to us and with a serious intention to subvert the case.
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SSridhar wrote:X-post from India-US Strategic thread
US asks India & TSP to end exchange of fire across the LoC
Apart from the US behaviour of treating the aggressor and the agrieved as equal, this appears to be the first time that the US has directly intervened in matters of such minor nature.
If Indian MEA/PMO has even a single ball/boob, they would say, USA should end occupation of Afghanistan and start negotiating with AQ.

Unfortunately our MEA/PMO are secularists.
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In matters concerning India & TSP, we nowadays seem to believe that the US is an honest broker with enormous influence on TSP and is willing to use that to settle issues and we can rely upon that nation to do so on our behalf too. I believe that the US has gained Indian trust by appearing to Indian interlocutors to be genuinely concerned by Pakistani terrorism, including on India, militarism and nuclear proliferation and threats. We are willing to believe that the US deviations from such a position now and then are caused by exigencies of the situation and the overall approach is beneficial to us. This may be partly true but the US interests would evaporate once it is out of Afghanistan and we will be left to tackle TSP all by ourselves as we have always done. By that time, the US would have complicated the matters a lot more for us.
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SSridhar wrote:X-post from India-US Strategic thread
US asks India & TSP to end exchange of fire across the LoC
Apart from the US behaviour of treating the aggressor and the agrieved as equal, this appears to be the first time that the US has directly intervened in matters of such minor nature.
While the USians advise us on the need for peese we should pat them on the back and sympathize with them on their phyrric victory in Afghanistan and empathise with how they have consistently let their own bravehearts down. :shock:

SS, it may not have been a minor skirmish of only 72Vs being doled out. It may have been a more serious matter. Which the intel community may know about. Perhaps frightening that for once we crossed the line and lagaoed a jhappad.

The porkis would be glad to claim one state actor meeting his end. Any more and their faces would be red with the gubo.

I would personally like to see us not firing back at a porki post firing small arms at us. But wait a few hours and and flatten, meaning death and destruction, at a couple of Porki posts in another sector as retaliation. Random post number choice. :mrgreen:
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