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Sushupti wrote:Grow up! Tit for tat is not Pakistan policy: Hina Rabbani

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130109.htm

Lalmohan wrote:rajesh - i don't agree with you. the answer to barbarity is not more barbarity, even if it involves killing the enemy
that just serves to create == which we don't need
disproportionate response yes, but not using their methods

SSridhar wrote:Retribution must be swift, disproportionate, a lesson-learning experience for TSPA, backed by GoI, and be made public when over. Of course, we will not indulge in barbarity.

anupmisra wrote:You said it. I once again counsel patience. I remember this title from my childhood - The Vulture is a Patient Bird" by JH Chase. For an intelligent entity, there are many other ways to make the pakis suffer. Killing a dozen today will only help satisfy the urge for retribution momentarily. Look for ways to initiate long term paki suffering.

Lalmohan wrote:rajesh - i don't agree with you. the answer to barbarity is not more barbarity, even if it involves killing the enemy
that just serves to create == which we don't need
disproportionate response yes, but not using their methods

Sushupti wrote:Ceasefire violation: PM keeping close watch on situation

http://www.firstpost.com/world/ceasefir ... 82819.html

Here are six things we should never forget about Pakistan.

One, Pakistan’s reason for existence is anti-India. Unlike India, whose reason for existence is the idea of India (secularism, peace, prosperity, etc), the Pakistani state lives only for the sake of enmity to India. This means the idea of Pakistan is bankrupt beyond enmity to India. Till the Pakistanis – state and people – choose to define themselves positively, there is going to be no peace.

Two, if the idea of Pakistan is non-existent, and the idea of India is what enrages Pakistan, it means two things: the Pakistani state will always prepare for war, and the peaceful pauses are merely meant to give the Pakistanis breathing spaces to recuperate and build their war apparatus against us.

Three, there is no point differentiating between the Pakistani state and its people, which our romantic Aman ki Aasha peace-mongers keep drilling into us. The point of this distinction – between state and people – is meaningless since it is the Indian state that is trying to talk peace with the Pakistani state. It is not negotiating with the Pakistani people directly.

Four, if the idea of India has to win over the non-idea of Pakistan, we have to let them stew in their own juice till the illogic and foolishness of creating a state based on Islam and enmity to India is apparent to all thinking Pakistanis and the ordinary people. They have to abandon abandon the idea themselves. As things stand, the people could easily fall prey to the violent ideologies of the Pakistani Taliban – and we have to be prepared for the fallout. We should always be ready for Pakistani perfidy – and this means not accepting any peace overtures at face value even if we decide to talk to them for the sake of world opinion.

Five, India must thus always keep the powder dry because Pakistan has always been preparing for a 1,000-year war. They know that our people have the tendency to forgive and forget Pakistani perfidies a little too quickly. This is why we have never learnt the lessons of 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999 and 2008 (28/11). Pakistan is counting on the Indian (largely Hindu?) tendency to forget the past and move on even though they themselves will never forget. This is the greatest danger India faces today – our unwillingness to confront the truth of what our enemy is like.

Six, the Pakistanis understand only strength. We have to build our strengths against Pakistan – economically, militarily, and in terms of our terror-fighting capabilities. Till 1971, they underestimated our military strength. Now they underestimate our secularism and economic and strengths. But underpinning it all will be our ability to make Pakistan to pay a price for misadventures. This is what we need to focus on – making them pay.

There are other markers – sending the 26/11 plotters to the gallows, etc – but giving MFN status (most favoured nation) status to India or making visas easier are not true markers of a desire for real peace. These are deliberate ploys to lull us to believe that they are thinking peace when they are not. In fact, Pakistan will use freer visas to push more terrorism here.

This is what we should expect from the Pakistani state.

anishns wrote:R Jagannathan from FirstPost seems to be an avid BR follower...

http://www.firstpost.com/world/we-are-f ... 81989.html

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When somebody is shouting from the rooftops “I hate you”, how is it that we don’t get the message, and still talk peace? ……………………

That we have now been handed another mutilated body by Pakistan less than a month after Malik’s insensitive comments shows that we are the fools. We seem to need repeated clouting on the head with a blunt instrument to wake up to the reality that is Pakistan – an enemy state.

shiv wrote:

Sushupti wrote:Grow up! Tit for tat is not Pakistan policy: Hina Rabbani

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130109.htm

I recall when Ms Khar begat
triplets named Pat, Mat and Tat
It was fun during the breeding
but hell during the feeding
for there was no tit for Tat

sum wrote:

Sushupti wrote:Ceasefire violation: PM keeping close watch on situation

http://www.firstpost.com/world/ceasefir ... 82819.html

Am sure he will keep watching

rajanb wrote: Lovely ditty. Put it on the TimesNow website!

A bit of levity in this situation is welcome. We need to retaliate. We need to avenge. We need to make the P!gturds realise that 1 SDRE =10 TFTA. We need to make our martyrs rest in peace. Not the Track I to Track X diplomacy. The piss industry has to be dismantled and even exported to Pigstan.

And I am totally disturbed, that as many have stated (some with political leanings), that from time immemorial with various govt's (sorry to disappoint those with political leanings) in power we have showed a weak kneed response to Pakistan. From the Kowards of Kandahar, to the assine politics of Agra, the killers of Kalia, the man Muti of today, we have failed our bravehearts.

For every ten jhappads we could give the piggies a juma. Just to tease them. Time for action. Not words, not politics. But as one nation.

In 1971, we were proactive, but the politics failed us at the closing stages. In Kargil, we were reactive, and lost many brave souls to make me wonder, that though we won, the commendable victory due to the courage of our bravehearts, could have been done at a lesser human cost.

the time for change has come.

rajanb wrote:

shiv wrote:
I recall when Ms Khar begat
triplets named Pat, Mat and Tat
It was fun during the breeding
but hell during the feeding
for there was no tit for Tat

Lovely ditty. Put it on the TimesNow website!

lakshmikanth wrote:

rajanb wrote: Lovely ditty. Put it on the TimesNow website!

A bit of levity in this situation is welcome. We need to retaliate. We need to avenge. We need to make the P!gturds realise that 1 SDRE =10 TFTA. We need to make our martyrs rest in peace. Not the Track I to Track X diplomacy. The piss industry has to be dismantled and even exported to Pigstan.

And I am totally disturbed, that as many have stated (some with political leanings), that from time immemorial with various govt's (sorry to disappoint those with political leanings) in power we have showed a weak kneed response to Pakistan. From the Kowards of Kandahar, to the assine politics of Agra, the killers of Kalia, the man Muti of today, we have failed our bravehearts.

For every ten jhappads we could give the piggies a juma. Just to tease them. Time for action. Not words, not politics. But as one nation.

In 1971, we were proactive, but the politics failed us at the closing stages. In Kargil, we were reactive, and lost many brave souls to make me wonder, that though we won, the commendable victory due to the courage of our bravehearts, could have been done at a lesser human cost.

the time for change has come.

Rajan sir,

Looks like this attack was a well calibrated one (of the tactically brilliant type), and right now, other than searching for some batter to make some dosas with, the MEA/GOI/ assorted babucracy will not lose much sleep over it.

I suggest you grieve over it and not increase your BP instead, these are things that may take a long long time to change.

shiv wrote:
I recall when Ms Khar begat
triplets named Pat, Mat and Tat
It was fun during the breeding
but hell during the feeding
for there was no tit for Tat

lakshmikanth wrote:Rajan sir,

I am glad to know that we will retaliate. I just hope its equally if not more barbaric, to the point that every TFTA uniformed/unwashed jihadi pees his pants before he even thinks of crossing the LOC imagining what awaits him there.

But realistically, I dont know the ground situation and other than a lot of folks in the Navy I have limited contact with the Army folks. Also after seeing 26/11 (much worse in its impact than this), and the dosa service response to 26/11, I can only grieve and hope that something else is done other than dosa diplomacy.

More power to folks like you!

lakshmikanth wrote:Barbaric means of execution is exactly what I meant. We need a few butchers with blunt saws to collect a few porki heads. That should have been done with the 90,000 PoWs. Big strategic blunder there.

Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter:

‏@GabbbarSingh India is Hulk in reverse, Looks huge & mean when it's normal, gets smaller and puny when angered. #LoC

RajeshA wrote:Pakis suffer all the time. It is not as if for ordinary Pakis, there are rivers of mead flowing. There is of course scope for them to suffer a bit more....

shiv wrote:

Sushupti wrote:Grow up! Tit for tat is not Pakistan policy: Hina Rabbani

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130109.htm

I recall when Ms Khar begat
triplets named Pat, Mat and Tat
It was fun during the breeding
but hell during the feeding
for there was no tit for Tat

anishns wrote:R Jagannathan from FirstPost seems to be an avid BR follower...

http://www.firstpost.com/world/we-are-f ... 81989.html

Here are six things we should never forget about Pakistan.

Three, there is no point differentiating between the Pakistani state and its people, which our romantic Aman ki Aasha peace-mongers keep drilling into us. The point of this distinction – between state and people – is meaningless since it is the Indian state that is trying to talk peace with the Pakistani state. It is not negotiating with the Pakistani people directly.