Delhi Case Follow-up thread

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 02:23

No way this case is going to be a quicker either. I am sure after this court it will go to higher court and then supreme, spanning over 5 years (at least), finally plea to the president..!

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SaiK » 10 Jan 2013 02:26

I read a comment on ToI.. asking for people to join up, and take law into their hands. I am afraid that would be the final justice.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 02:30

Not one but I have read many comments asking people to deliver mob justice to them specially to the juvenile. As per BBC 'India in on trial' (they often use it).

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 02:59

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now people are asking judiciary as well

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Anantha » 10 Jan 2013 07:54

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/jyoti-singh-uk-attitude-to-rape-1524494

Think the UK attitude to rape is much more civilised than the one which condemned Jyoti Singh? Think again

A hard hitting article on rapes in the Western "civilized" world. Must be thrown at people who have resorted to stereotyping entire India based on this case.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Anantha » 10 Jan 2013 08:02

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/opinion/after-being-raped-i-was-wounded-my-honor-wasnt.html?_r=0

Written by a gang rape victim Sohaila. I believe the movie "Ghar" starring Vinod Mehra and Rekha is based on this story.

An important point for all to remember

"I reject the notion that my virtue is located in my vagina, just as I reject the notion that men’s brains are in their genitals".

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SriKumar » 10 Jan 2013 08:04

IndraD wrote:Image

now people are asking judiciary as well
The judiciary absolutely has some degree (if not a large degree) of responsibility for this whole mess that the legal system is in. They are right. The CJI, judges in SC and HC and others under them are the ones who are responsible for the functioning of the courts. (If is not them, then who is?). The onus of how the justice system works is absolutely on them. I am happy to blame the politicians for what they have done (active commission and omission), but I wont blame the politicians for the way the courts are functioning. That is under the purview of the High Courts and Supreme courts. They should take any praise and blame for the current state of their system.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Gus » 10 Jan 2013 09:00

I can understand ban on photos and closed room proceedings. But why do they have a complete ban on reporting the proceedings? just to keep it out of the news cycles?

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 16:54

A potential lawyer for three of the men charged with the abduction, rape and murder of a 23-year-old woman in Delhi says his clients have been tortured and coerced into admitting the crime.

Delhi police spokesman Rajan Bhagat refused to comment, citing legal restrictions.

Sunil Gupta, a spokesman for Tihar Jail where the suspects are being held, told the BBC all the accused were being kept in different sections of the jail "and their safety is guaranteed".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20968210

"They are innocent," Manohar Lal Sharma said of his three clients ahead of a court hearing. He said police have beaten the men and placed other prisoners into the suspects' cells to threaten them with knives, adding, "You can't believe the reality of Indian prisons."
Thursday's hearing is expected to result in the case being sent to a special "fast-track" court. India's legal system is painfully slow, corrupt and inefficient, with many cases lasting years, even decades.
Sharma appears to be preparing a defense based, in part, on the many problems with that system. He indicated the men had been picked up because the authorities needed to make arrests given the public outcry, and the suspects all come from poor or working class families.
"If the parents of these boys had money, they would not be in court today," he said. India's court system is notorious for allowing wealthy defendants to go free, or at least delaying their trials for years.


http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-delhi-rape ... 16420.html

Out of curiosity may I ask isn't this idiot vakeel divulging details of case to media why selective gag order by 'my lord'?

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Lalmohan » 10 Jan 2013 17:44

no, he is applying the standard defence protocol in all cases - nothing out of the ordinary here...

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby lakshmikanth » 10 Jan 2013 17:52

The Shinde solution:

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SwamyG » 10 Jan 2013 18:31

It is said that Jyoti and Awindra were taken to Safdarjung Hospital, when the cops arrived at the scene, did they call for an ambulance? What kind of transportation was used to transfer them to the hospital?

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 18:41

acc to this http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/d ... 276521.ece

duo were taken to the hospital in PCR van, this matches with the story so far in media as well

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby vijayk » 10 Jan 2013 20:04

Gus wrote:I can understand ban on photos and closed room proceedings. But why do they have a complete ban on reporting the proceedings? just to keep it out of the news cycles?


Yep. The scoundrels of UPA think by not having the news about the rape is the best way to make the idiotic Indians forget the news and vote them back to power in Delhi. Lo and Behold, that's what will happen.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 21:37

^^ Along with what you said there is tendency to obfuscate the issue by publishing a rubbish news like ;Asaram bapu said this and that , MP BJP asks women to stay indoor, the real intention is to suppress ans side line the whole issue , read some comments and people seem to agree:
Toilet paper (Italy)
2 hrs ago
Who is this guy? Who is that asaram bapu guy? Why is Toilet paper publishing every Tom, Dock and Harry's comment on rape? Why is this obfuscation of the real issue by this paper? Does anyone even remember the actual crime or as usual it is buried under the mass of such useless news created by the Indian media. There is no hope of Indian media, it is nothing but the extension of the government controlled system.

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bika hua media (paisa khao, case dabao)
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BBC and other media are daily reporting on progress of delhi trial while our news paper are trying to suppress the matter by reporting useless items like these, this is reality of Indian press, totally bika hua.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 10 Jan 2013 23:02

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/no-p ... 41654.html

Contrary to the claims made by the girl's friend, the family of the 23-year-old Delhi gangrape victim on Thursday said that the girl had "never complained of any laxity" on the part of Delhi Police in rushing her to hospital.

"During the treatment, she never complained of any laxity on the part of police in rushing her to hospital... In fact, after the incident, the Delhi police had extended its cooperation," brother and father of the victim said.


On a TV channel launching a drive for awarding the male friend of the girl for his bravery, they said that though he showed courage but it was not enough.

"Had he done something more like breaking the window pane of the bus and drawn the attention of the passersby the incident could have been averted," they said, adding that it was the deceased who had displayed immense courage and bravery and battled with the accused :eek: :eek:


Seems family didn't like this guy?

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby RamaY » 10 Jan 2013 23:42

The girl had "never complained of any laxity" on the part of Delhi Police in rushing her to hospital.

Had he done something more like breaking the window pane of the bus and drawn the attention of the passersby the incident could have been averted," they said, adding that it was the deceased who had displayed immense courage and bravery and battled with the accused


Affects of not responding in time & asking the cool minds to do the work.

If courts can spend sufficient time in deliberating, all the victims relations as well as the culprits will die natural deaths.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 11 Jan 2013 01:00

Victim's family is convinced (from several interviews)

1. What govt did was enough
2. Singapore flight was correct decision ( according to brother , should have been taken on day 1 [!!])
3. Naming a rape law after daughter's name would be appropriate honour

Victim's friend's over all view and family's views are pole apart (regarding response and treatment)

eight women booked for provoking mob at jantar Manta http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 80796.aspx

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SaiK » 11 Jan 2013 01:52

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While Nirbhaya showed unusual courage, she appears to have received shoddy treatment at Safdarjung Hospital the night she was brought there. According to her medical status report dated December 20, she was brought to the hospital in a PCR van around 11.30pm on December 16 but was shifted to the ICU only around 5am — more than 5 hours

huh!

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby ramana » 11 Jan 2013 01:59

Need to understand he is also the victim of the attack and the attempted murder, kidnapping, dacoity and Sec 120 charges also pertain to him.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 11 Jan 2013 02:46

SaiK wrote:
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While Nirbhaya showed unusual courage, she appears to have received shoddy treatment at Safdarjung Hospital the night she was brought there. According to her medical status report dated December 20, she was brought to the hospital in a PCR van around 11.30pm on December 16 but was shifted to the ICU only around 5am — more than 5 hours

huh!


We need to access medical notes, after such a horrific injury where her intestine was ripped, was she taken straight to operation theatre? Only that can justify a delay to ICU treatment! Safdarjung is a horrible mess (least said the better) .

juvenile undergoes appendicectomy on tax payer's money
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/juven ... d/1057135/

why didn't they let him die of septicaemia

pls read comments

Accused gang rape


1. An honest doctor should have removed his gentals and two hands. That would Hav been great. Coward Indian doctors.
Need further Surgery.


2. A Golden oppourtunity was lost. The Surgeon shoud have throughly examined him. He woud have discovered that he had cancer of the Male Organ. The Male Organ should have been removed. The Dr. would have been highly appreciated & a leangthy trial not necessary.

3. Should have had his di*k removed too!


I am sure everyone would agree!!!

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Prem Kumar » 11 Jan 2013 05:00

Slightly good news in these distressing times. S. Varadarajan from Chindu apologizes for that drivel of an Op-Ed about Swami Vivekananda, masculinity & rape.

Social media works & public protest works (even if it was only 100 odd people protesting in Mount Road, Chennai - who also courted arrest by the way)

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/a-note-to-readers/article4291269.ece

Also, read this parody by Aravindan Neelakandan. We need to go viral with the #Chindu hashtag

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SwamyG » 11 Jan 2013 06:31

IndraD wrote:acc to this http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/d ... 276521.ece

duo were taken to the hospital in PCR van, this matches with the story so far in media as well

The PCR van, is just a police van. Why were they not transported in an ambulance with adequate life saving or stabilizing equipment? I hear the 108 service is growing leaps and bounds. They had to borrow bed sheets from a nearby hotel. :shock:

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Virupaksha » 11 Jan 2013 06:36

SwamyG wrote:
IndraD wrote:acc to this http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/d ... 276521.ece

duo were taken to the hospital in PCR van, this matches with the story so far in media as well

The PCR van, is just a police van. Why were they not transported in an ambulance with adequate life saving or stabilizing equipment? I hear the 108 service is growing leaps and bounds. They had to borrow bed sheets from a nearby hotel. :shock:

Swamy G,

Do you expect a police van to have extra clothes ready?? Ofcourse they had to go to whatever residence or business where there is a chance of having some kind of clothes.

You are overestimating the capabilities of the ambulance services available in India. This was not a failure of police, but of the state - Shiela Dixit and MMS.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SaiK » 11 Jan 2013 06:39

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-police-apologises-for-holding-back-officers-names/article4295352.ece?homepage=true

The police filed a fresh status report after it was pulled up by the court on Wednesday, when it had again refused to share the names of the police officers on duty that night.Delhi Police counsel Dayan Krishnan said the names of these officers had been mentioned in the charge sheet as witnesses in the case. Upon this, the Bench questioned the need for holding them back from the court.

They will go any extent to protect themselves rather citizens.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Virupaksha » 11 Jan 2013 06:47

SaiK wrote:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-police-apologises-for-holding-back-officers-names/article4295352.ece?homepage=true

The police filed a fresh status report after it was pulled up by the court on Wednesday, when it had again refused to share the names of the police officers on duty that night.Delhi Police counsel Dayan Krishnan said the names of these officers had been mentioned in the charge sheet as witnesses in the case. Upon this, the Bench questioned the need for holding them back from the court.

They will go any extent to protect themselves rather citizens.

Let us be realistic sir. That list would simply be used for media and official witch hunt, nothing more. How is that individual police official be culpable in any way??

Ofcourse, they want to protect themselves. A bus is going on the road and you expect every police official on duty in areas through which the bus passed through to be responsible for what is going on inside the bus? I agree that they were culpable that all those buses are allowed to transit, again the mafia is owned by the CM's chamchas.

The only responsibility (whatever proportion) lies with Manmohan Singh and Chidabaram under whom Delhi's total law and order apparatus works. They have failed in their raaj dharma.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Bade » 11 Jan 2013 07:31

All the accused also assaulted her 28-year-old male friend. Both were thrown out of the bus after around 40 minutes, naked, bleeding and shivering. The friend will be the main witness in the case.

The police have charged the five under sections 302 (murder), 307 (attempt to murder), 376 (2)(g) (gang-rape), 377 (unnatural offences), 395 (dacoity), 396 (murder in dacoity), 365 (kidnapping or abduction with intent to secretly or wrongfully confine a person), 394 (hurting in dacoity), 201 (destruction of evidence), 120B (conspiracy), 34 (common intention), 412 (dishonestly receiving stolen property), and 397 (robbery or dacoity with attempt to cause death or grievous hurt) of the Indian Penal Code.

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1416138.ece

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Bade » 11 Jan 2013 08:11

Court appoints lawyers for five accused of gang rape and murder of New Delhi woman
But Manohar Lal Sharma, the attorney for one of the accused, said he suspected that the police had manipulated the evidence and taken shortcuts.

“This was done to assuage people’s emotions,” said Sharma, 56, who usually practices in the Supreme Court. “Have you ever heard of our police finishing any investigation and charge sheet in just over a fortnight?”

He said his client, a 22-year-old named Mukesh Singh, who is the brother of the bus driver, Ram Singh, was not on the vehicle when the crime occurred. :roll:

“The police have beaten him a lot to extract statements to match their fabricated evidence,” Sharma said. “I will save him at any cost. I will not let the public anger influence me.”

Jail inmates beat up the five suspects when they were first brought in. Now, jail authorities say, the accused are on suicide watch. The juvenile also was beaten by inmates in the correctional facility, media reports said.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

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Bade wrote:Court appoints lawyers for five accused of gang rape and murder of New Delhi woman
But Manohar Lal Sharma, the attorney for one of the accused, said he suspected that the police had manipulated the evidence and taken shortcuts.

“This was done to assuage people’s emotions,” said Sharma, 56, who usually practices in the Supreme Court. “Have you ever heard of our police finishing any investigation and charge sheet in just over a fortnight?”

He said his client, a 22-year-old named Mukesh Singh, who is the brother of the bus driver, Ram Singh, was not on the vehicle when the crime occurred. :roll:

“The police have beaten him a lot to extract statements to match their fabricated evidence,” Sharma said. “I will save him at any cost. I will not let the public anger influence me.”

Jail inmates beat up the five suspects when they were first brought in. Now, jail authorities say, the accused are on suicide watch. The juvenile also was beaten by inmates in the correctional facility, media reports said.


There should also be some law to prevent lawyers from fabricating frivolous lies or coming up with outlandish arguments and wasting the court's time by trying to prolong the trial.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby chaanakya » 11 Jan 2013 10:20

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 974916.cms

As she lay in great agony in hospital, unable to speak, the 23-year-old braveheart correctly wrote down the names of four of the assaulters — Ram Singh, Mukesh, Vinay and Akshay.

Nirbhaya had heard the names during the assault. She scribbled these in presence of the magistrate while her statement was being recorded under section 164 of CrPC. Other words she wrote on the paper were 'rod se, lohe/wood' and 'kuch logon ko dekha, sources said.

The paper was signed by the magistrate. Sources said the victim was asked questions in a way that she could reply in gestures. This was the time when a statement under section 164 was recorded through gestures, the sources added.

While Nirbhaya showed unusual courage, she appears to have received shoddy treatment at Safdarjung Hospital the night she was brought there. According to her medical status report dated December 20, she was brought to the hospital in a PCR van around 11.30pm on December 16 but was shifted to the ICU only around 5am — more than 5 hours later.

Subsequently, when the cops sent the teeth samples of the accused to match with the bite marks on the body of victim, the hospital reportedly said it was not equipped to carry out that examination, sources said. The examination is now being conducted outside Delhi.

Before her statement was recorded, a doctor at Safdarjung Hospital had opined that the girl was conscious, cooperative, meaningfully communication oriented and that she responded to questions through gestures, the sources said.

Sources said Nirbhaya preferred to write herself the answer to questions such as the names of the accused. The victim had given her statement twice, once in front of an SDM and then a Metropolitan Magistrate. Investigators say her answers were consistent on both occasions and also matched with the statement provided by her male friend.


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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby JohnTitor » 11 Jan 2013 13:11

varunkumar wrote:There should also be some law to prevent lawyers from fabricating frivolous lies or coming up with outlandish arguments and wasting the court's time by trying to prolong the trial.

you are asking for too much. most people will be happy if justice is served and the 6 guys are punished. Even that seems unlikely as days pass..

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Anindya » 11 Jan 2013 14:06

Defense attorney blames victim in India gang-rape, murder case

The attorney representing three men charged with gang rape and murder in India told an interviewer that the woman who died and her male companion were to blame for the attack, which took place on a moving bus in New Delhi, according to a report published Thursday.

"Until today I have not seen a single incident or example of rape with a respected lady," Manohar Lal Sharma said, according to the Bloomberg report. "Even an underworld don would not like to touch a girl with respect."

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Lalmohan » 11 Jan 2013 14:24

standard tactic in rape trial (all over the world) - blame the victim

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Gus » 11 Jan 2013 18:09

standard yes, but definitely more subtle than this.

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Postby Lalmohan » 11 Jan 2013 18:27

no saar - it gets pretty vile, i have seen personally in a rape trial in the UK

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby ramana » 11 Jan 2013 21:04

Hats off to BR member Yogendra who spotted Ram Singh on Kiran Bedi's TV show!!!!


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Suspect appeared on reality show


NEW DELHI – The host of a former reality TV show says a suspect in the fatal gang rape of a woman student on a bus in India's capital appeared on the show three years ago, demanding compensation from his former employer for injuries to his hands in an accident driving the employer's bus.

Kiran Bedi, a former top police officer, says Ram Singh appeared on her program, "Aap Ki Kaccheri" or "Your Court," in which contestants face one another in a makeshift court. Singh lost the case.

Bedi said in an email Friday that the employer proved that the accident was Singh's fault.


Singh's defense lawyer says he is innocent in the Dec. 16 attack. Four other men have also been charged with rape, murder and other crimes and could face the death penalty.



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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby Theo_Fidel » 11 Jan 2013 21:15

I'm getting nervous about the case. This is not over by a long shot. Hope the prosecution doesn't bungle it....

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby SaiK » 11 Jan 2013 21:26

virupaksha, all they have to do is submit to court and not to public. that is all to it. by providing the cop names to court, nobody is in denial, but only when it is not produced. please read the court clearly exposes the cops when they said, the names are part of the witness. if that is the case, the court mocks them by asking then what is the problem in mentioning the names?

let me be realistic.. we have a system of lies and corruption. that is it. everything else is per what we hear.

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby harbans » 11 Jan 2013 23:08

Why has a case not been slapped on that Sharma lawyer for saying "no one will rape a woman with respect"? If the court can haul up DP, so it can haul up lawyers too for giving these kind of statements. Possibly disqualify him too. Is it not a slap on the modesty of women, specifically those that work, watch movies, have a drink like most of us. So why the F is the court silent on these kind of statements being brandished around by those that represent the law in India?

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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Postby IndraD » 11 Jan 2013 23:45

They were forced to drink urine and from the toilet. They were sexually assaulted with sticks in their backside. Whatever statements they made were made under duress and are worthless


http://www.newser.com/story/160715/delh ... ctims.html

http://post.jagran.com/delhi-gang-rape- ... 1357728961

Juvenile beaten blue and back by inmates.
The hospital staff informed that the health report of the juvenile has been handed over to Juvenile Justice Board by hospital administration. The minor has been admitted to the surgical ward at third floor in the hospital under tight vigil, hospital staff further added


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 980366.cms

Delhi is not safe for women

comments galore one of them being
jilelahi ko aaj pata laga? Humlog 20 saal se ye jante hai
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