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The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 16 Apr 2016 14:01

Modern history of Roma People

World War II
During World War II, the Nazis embarked on a systematic genocide of the Romani, a process known in Romani as the Porajmos. Romanies were marked for extermination and sentenced to forced labor and imprisonment in concentration camps.

They were often killed on sight, especially by the Einsatzgruppen (paramilitary death squads) on the Eastern Front. The total number of victims has been variously estimated at between 220,000 to 1,500,000; even the lowest number would make the Porajmos one of the largest mass killings in history.


Post-1945
In Czechoslovakia, they were labeled a "socially degraded stratum," and Romani women were sterilized as part of a state policy to reduce their population. This policy was implemented with large financial incentives, threats of denying future welfare payments, with misinformation, or after administering drugs.

An official inquiry from the Czech Republic, resulting in a report (December 2005), concluded that the Communist authorities had practiced an assimilation policy towards Romanis, which "included efforts by social services to control the birth rate in the Romani community." "The problem of sexual sterilisation carried out in the Czech Republic, either with improper motivation or illegally, exists," said the Czech Public Defender of Rights, recommending state compensation for women affected between 1973 and 1991. New cases were revealed up until 2004, in both the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Germany, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland "all have histories of coercive sterilization of minorities and other groups.

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India should aggressively bring these European countries to book in the ICJ for human rights violations against people of Indian origin and see to it, that the Roma community is appropriately compensated, a compensation which would run into 100s of billions dollars.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Arjun » 16 Apr 2016 15:01

RajeshA wrote:India should aggressively bring these European countries to book in the ICJ for human rights violations against people of Indian origin and see to it, that the Roma community is appropriately compensated, a compensation which would run into 100s of billions dollars.

Compensation to Roma would be ideal but at the very least need to enforce highlighting of the genocide in primary school history textbooks across Europe / US. Surely the next generation of White Europeans needs to be sensitized to the horrendous evil perpetrated by their ancestors. Moreover - this cannot be swept under the carpet as a regional social or political problem - the underlying issue is of European religious sanction and casteist attitudes.

The liberal bastion of California would be a good place to initiate this school book revision.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 23 Apr 2016 19:18

Crossposting a post by UlanBatori

While the gentle Rshis are in chai-biskoot on such happy contemplations, the Rakshasas as usual have been busy plotting, and are now in full rampage. They have totally pakistanned the California 6th grade textbooks - apparently now all reference to India is replaced with South Asia, all reference to Islamic genocide is replaced with "modest expansion of benevolent rule" etc etc.

Any dhagas to deal with this? Here is the great Sage Juluri Himself with lots of fulminations of terminological exactitude, but you can see the problem and the usual cast:Marxist Commie bibis, Dalit-paki-EJ bibis, plain wacko bibis, 400% pakis, soul-harvesters, racists, corrupt CA Bored members, 0-watt papparazzi, The Hundi, etc. etc. Like an American movie: all villains, no heroes.

The vanaras who won the last war are long gone, or tired and decrepit as Jaambavaan.

The New Crop of Wunderkinden who infest the ranks of the Hundi Right are Smart, OverAchievers, and 400% 404 - as was the case in the Age of The Vanaras.

I think we should call the Other Side the Rakshasa Wrong, or Arr-Dubya for short. But more to the point, the fun times are here again.

[quote] … Come, my fiends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The coffee-stained kbd; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and avoid taking baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
It may be we shall offend the Happy Pakis,
And see the great VinayLalAssociateProfessorOfHisteryAtUCLA, whom we lampooned. (56–64)

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 23 Apr 2016 19:53

There are some reasons why it is easy for outsiders like colonial Indologists to try to shape the narrative on India. The most important reason is because we are not offering suitable and competing ontology/terminology.

  1. Contours of Bharat (Core Ancient Bharat & Peripheral Ancient Bharat or Bharatiya Near-Abroad)
    Peripheral Ancient Bharat: Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Tarim Basin, Tibet, Southeast Asia

  2. Tribes of Bharat (Core Bharatiya Tribes & Peripheral Bharatiya Tribes)
    Peripheral Bharatiya Tribes: Yavanas, Tusharas, Parthavas, Pahlavas, Huṇas, Śakas, Kambojas, Bahlikas, Ṛṣikas, ...

  3. Bharatiya Civilization/Sabhyata Ages

    1. Modern (1947 CE - *) ...... Starting with Indian Independence
    2. Colonial (1757 CE -1947 CE) ...... Starting with the British conquest of Mainland India
    3. Medieval (1000 CE -1757 CE) ...... Starting with the Muslim conquest of Mainland India
    4. Classical (200 BCE - 1000 CE) ...... Starting with End of Gupta period
    5. Imperial (1616 BCE - 200 BCE) ...... Starting with Mahapadma Nanda taking over
    6. Epical (3500 BCE - 1616 BCE) ....... Starting with the Mainstream Traditional Account of Mahabharata continuing with the Hastinapura Empire, including the Saraswati-Sindhu Civilization period
    7. Puranic (13,000 BCE - 3,500 BCE) ..... Starting with the Ramayana period and including 1st and 2nd Sangam
    8. Mythological (* - 13,000 BCE) ....... "Satya Yuga" mythological interpretations

  4. Hindu Dharmic Panths (Vedic, i.e. Veda-adharit, Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, Tribal, Ajivikas, Carakas, ...)

and so on ...

There is no reason why everything about India has to be formulated as "Hinduism" or "religion" or whatever. This should be considered an issue of representation of our history also.

The problem is that Western Indologists would love to label Bharatiyas simply as "Hindu nationalists" projecting the same kind of negative image that has been associated with Christian fundamentalists and Islamists, onto "Hindu nationalists" and be done with it, calling any argument we present as religion-driven, belief-based and as such irrational by default, and as such unworthy of serious consideration.

Split
What needs to happen is that is that we need to split the movement into two - those who care about what is written about Bharatiya history, science and literature (Sabhyata stream or Bharatiya stream) and those who care about what is written about our philosophical, spiritual and social systems (Sanskriti stream or Hindu stream). This split, I feel is very important. Sabhyata stream can support Sanskriti stream from the outside much better than when both are fused together.

Bharatiya-Hindu split would be a good tactical step.

One of the problems with various Hindu foundations in America working to correct the wrong narratives about India is probably that they are called "Hindu" foundations. They need to be renamed.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby UlanBatori » 23 Apr 2016 21:20

Rajesh, good thinking behind it, but it is like building two nicely-walled homes in the face of a mud-flood. The flood will bring mud equally into both. For example, the HAF, if you poke them, will claim to be Tres Elegantes compared to the Les Unmentionables. Always erudite in writing and speech, Fit 2 Hobnob W/ Senators etc. What they don't see is that racist sh1ts view them with the same hatred as they direct towards Les Unmentionables. Engaging in Intellectual Debate is like what Sri^4 Ravishankar tried with the ISIS. Got a picture (so far only a picture, Inshalla*) of a body with severed head.

I would say that a unifying message is what is needed. Whether you are a pants-suit-wallah with Raybans on Wall Street dancing the jig in the Cheetah Lounge with a Dry Martini in one hand and an iPhone 6 stuck in one ear and an earring and white carnation in the other, or u r a saffron-clad with a trishool in one hand and a gas cylinder in the other, the Racist Wrong see you as the same - and not as the Rayban-wearing Pillar of Western Culture.

So ask not 4 whom da Bell Tolls
It tolls 4 thee


A war cannot be won without saying some harsh things and hurting some petty feelings. It is time for the High Society of India inside and abroad, to realize that they need to join the war before the mud comes visiting their mansions. If enough Yazidis have survived, maybe at some time the story will come out how some of their people tried their hardest to alert the rest to the need to get prepared and train with weapons.

No no no no yaar, all OUR neighbors are 400% civilized and friendly onlee! I don't want nothing to do with these unwashed Yazidi Right!

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 23 Apr 2016 22:22

UlanBatori ji,

I would consider the strategy of Bharatiya-Hindu Split as a two-pronged attack, of using two paddles for rowing the boat, instead of just paddling on one side of the boat.

What they don't see is that racist sh1ts view them with the same hatred as they direct towards Les Unmentionables. Engaging in Intellectual Debate is like what Sri^4 Ravishankar tried with the ISIS.


Debate is not what I advocate. What I advocate is clarity of argument and name-calling. Too much unstructured verbosity, defensiveness and over-the-top respectfulness makes our case weak indeed.

It should either be "you agree with our clear arguments" or "you are a racist imperialist low-IQ full-of-sh*t as*?#le".

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Postby UlanBatori » 23 Apr 2016 23:58

That has possibilities. :mrgreen:
U lo-IQ R-Dubya cyain't even tell the difference between a Mimamsi Vedic MahaRishi, and a Bharat-Rashtriya Kshatriya focused on Jambudweepa Itihasa :rotfl:


It is interesting that the cabal has now been chased out of the AAUP pigsty where they had a bad experience around the NaMO vijit time, and have now infested the Chronicles of Higher Education buffalo shed. Just like ISIS. I suspect that catharis at the Ch. Haigher Ejjukation is a bit more difficult than raiding the AAUP pigsty (that one remembers with fond nostalgia). Wonder if they have a forum that can b accessed from across the world, as the AAUP and FOIL suddenly discovered about the AAUP, with profound shock. 300+ comments on one article, the first in uncritical praise, the other 299+ the other kind. :eek: :eek:

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby SwamyG » 24 Apr 2016 00:27

RajeshA wrote:One of the problems with various Hindu foundations in America working to correct the wrong narratives about India is probably that they are called "Hindu" foundations. They need to be renamed.

The challenge is only the Hindus would care for the 'good' of Indian Civilization before 16th century British, before 7th century Muslims and before 4004BC Christians. For the British enamored, India did not exist before 1947. All good, including railways, postal service, roads and army came from British. For the Muslims, egalitarian society was created in India, after the attack of Islamic hordes and Mughal rule, for the Christians it all started with the HISTORIC birth of Jesus.

Only Hindus care about what happened in 'South Asia' from 10000BC to the present.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 24 Apr 2016 02:49

SwamyG wrote:
RajeshA wrote:One of the problems with various Hindu foundations in America working to correct the wrong narratives about India is probably that they are called "Hindu" foundations. They need to be renamed.

The challenge is only the Hindus would care for the 'good' of Indian Civilization before 16th century British, before 7th century Muslims and before 4004BC Christians. For the British enamored, India did not exist before 1947. All good, including railways, postal service, roads and army came from British. For the Muslims, egalitarian society was created in India, after the attack of Islamic hordes and Mughal rule, for the Christians it all started with the HISTORIC birth of Jesus.

Only Hindus care about what happened in 'South Asia' from 10000BC to the present.


No, the issue was not one of me trying to portray "South Asian" history as anything more than the history of the Hindus or Dharmics. Ancient Bharat and Hindu history are the same.

I was advocating a "Bharatiya-Hindu Split" as a tactical measure each to focus on a separate set of interests in America. I don't think we should allow the West to paint all of us who want to fix the narrative of Ancient Bharat abroad with the brush of "Hindu Nationalists", which is supposed to mirror the "Christian fundamentalist" or "Islamist" image of irrationality, and that they thereby bury any chance of correcting the narrative.

One should be able to make the case that India has an ancient history and it is not restricted to only religion or spirituality. If Indians believe that Mauryas started ruling in 1516 BCE, then that has got nothing to do with "Hinduism" or its cousin "Hindu nationalism". That is just history of Bharat.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby SwamyG » 24 Apr 2016 04:05

Isn't the same thing as removing "Hindu" from Yoga, meditation, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism type of work?

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Apr 2016 04:40

Allo ppl. We have United Nations to sit around with chai-biskoot while the ISIS rapes our people. What we need is accurate intel about the ISIS IDs, location, and nature of attacks, some slight warning about VBIEDs also most welcome. Plus organize some good Tu-11 raids from the matruBhoomi on coordinates provided. Time is a-wasting...

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Prem » 24 Apr 2016 07:50

India that is Bharat , Bharat That is Aryavart !

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby member_26011 » 24 Apr 2016 08:35

I think we should go the other way,
"We the Hindus, bound by Sindhu-Bramhaputra rivers" should come out as a universal constant and preamble.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Arjun » 24 Apr 2016 09:47

Apparently the final hearing regarding suggested changes in California text books is scheduled for May 11-12.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 24 Apr 2016 11:49

SwamyG wrote:Isn't the same thing as removing "Hindu" from Yoga, meditation, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism type of work?


I think as Hindus, it should be pretty easy to grasp the concept of selecting the right Yoddha for any given fight.

Against Mahiṣāsura, the right Yoddha was Durga, against Raktabīja it was Kālī, against Chanda and Munda, Devī is called Cāmuṇḍā, against Bhasmāsura Śri Viṣṇu appeared as Mohinī, Skanda fought against Tārakāsura, Abhimanyu was sent to break open the Chakravyuha. In essence all Devī-Devtās are manifestations of the same Supreme, so why go through all this variation? Perhaps it is to tell us that for a specific problem, we have to find the right solution.

If we wish to get the upper hand over what is taught in say American schools about our history and culture, we need to promote our case using the right organization which presents a particular image and nomenclature. It would be best, if that image is impervious to tarnishing using a "religious" brush.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby johneeG » 24 Apr 2016 15:17

RajeshA wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Isn't the same thing as removing "Hindu" from Yoga, meditation, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism type of work?


I think as Hindus, it should be pretty easy to grasp the concept of selecting the right Yoddha for any given fight.

Against Mahiṣāsura, the right Yoddha was Durga, against Raktabīja it was Kālī, against Chanda and Munda, Devī is called Cāmuṇḍā, against Bhasmāsura Śri Viṣṇu appeared as Mohinī, Skanda fought against Tārakāsura, Abhimanyu was sent to break open the Chakravyuha. In essence all Devī-Devtās are manifestations of the same Supreme, so why go through all this variation? Perhaps it is to tell us that for a specific problem, we have to find the right solution.

If we wish to get the upper hand over what is taught in say American schools about our history and culture, we need to promote our case using the right organization which presents a particular image and nomenclature. It would be best, if that image is impervious to tarnishing using a "religious" brush.


Very well articulated. Totally agreed. Distortions in history should be challenged as a secular subject, not as a theological subject.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Apr 2016 16:03

True, but note that the distorters are ultimately backed by conversionists, who pay for the services of p0rn-peddlers such as Pondy P0rniger, Limp Phallus Courtright and their ilk, as well as for the rent-a-pakis such as VinayLalAssProfessorOfHistoryAtUCLA, John Dayal, etc etc.

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Postby member_26011 » 24 Apr 2016 17:13

+1
Turning to 'secular' and 'hindu' operators distorts who Hindus are, and projects them onto a western basis, presumably to make some error easier to reduce with western secular population, but this increases the contrast on the 'religious' side that is, first of all, not any natural projection for us and, second of all, a way to ultimately provide their fundoos further inroads. We can't fake it, I would argue, not that there isn't merit in producing diverse voices to amplify the message by the split operator method. Where will all the synchronizing for us come from, and how?
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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 24 Apr 2016 17:19

In any debate there are three vectors of attack:

1) The other side's arguments are flawed
2) The other side does not have the intellectual gravitas to judge the material and to comment on it
3) The other side is driven by irrational thinking

1) Here since it can be difficult for Indologists to make their case, they try to fudge the given material/data calling it spurious, inconclusive, forged and try to broaden the material that needs to be considered, by bringing in external accounts of questionable veracity, engineered disciplines like sound change laws, proto-Indo-European mother languages, as well as archaeological evidence interpreted according to a colonial framework.

2) West uses Brute-Force Scholarship with complete control over education institutes, awards, scholarships, journals to completely block out any outside opinions. All others do not have any gravitas to engage in any debate on history or theology.

3) Basically any view that does not conform to their colonial framework is stamped as "Hindu nationalism", and thus put into the same bucket of irrationality as "Christian Fundamentalism" and "Islamism", and being irrational, belief-based deserve no serious engagement.

This is what we are up against.

1) We need to build theories which are well formulated, based on data, and as comprehensive as possible. I find Nilesh Nilkanth Oak's and Vedveer Arya's work in this regard as path-breaking.

2) Here Government of India has to carry the most burden and try to change the ecosystem. It would be good if Bharat-centric historians build a government-independent institution which looks into these matters.

3) Indians need to be far more aggressive here. We should be the ones dissing Indologists for what they are - generals and sepoys of a colonial framework and thus guided by racism, prejudice and a colonial agenda. Rajiv Malhotra is doing good work in this regard. At the same time we need to improve upon our own image as objective and rational scholars interested only in truth.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Apr 2016 17:28

IMO, in the latest iteration of the ISIS attack (this time using the Chronicle of Higher Education), the best strategy is to say:
V r tired of these incessant attacks by the Racist Wrong (R-Dubya) against the Dharmic Right.


And slam them as the racist conversionist Inquisition-mongers that they are. Establish them as the WRONG (not "left") side, make the label stick, and keep beating them with that stick. Point out why their Academic gowns are no better than the ISIS' black Ninja Turtle outfits - both shelter vicious racists who peddle p0rn and hate.

The issue is Civil Rights, none of this hi-falutin stuff. U r dealing with the KKK, except in Academic Regalia.

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Postby RajeshA » 24 Apr 2016 17:55

The Democrats, Left-Liberals, Progressives like to self-define themselves as such and get the moral high ground.

The "Right Wing" is not the ones that necessarily need attacking, and by that I mean the Christianists. They hide and act behind the "freedom of religion" nonsense. But the flag of "freedom of religion" is flown by the Left-Liberals.

They too smother the others using the good-cop, bad-cop routine.

It is the "good-cop" that we need to tarnish/uncover as the evil-criminal. It is the Secularists, Left-Liberals, Progressives, and what not, who need to be called out as Racists, Imperialists, Hypocrites, Nazis and Pseudo-Aryans.

If the West can do the superficial split into RW and LW and play as a tag-team, and Muslims can do the Moderate Muslim "vs" Islamist Taqiyya, Hindus too should be in a position to do the same.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Apr 2016 18:13

I may be reading things wrong, but isn't that what the HAF for instance did back in 2006 when they dissed the CAPEEM - and basically got very little with their useless lawyers failing to press home the clear case and the legal advantage against the California Bored of Aryan Supremacists?

And all said and done, all they got for their oh-so-clean Image-Consciousness and Constructive Approach, is to be labeled as "Hindu Right" by the racists. Over time I have watched their writings turn increasingly realistic, as they slowly-slowly learned that all said and done, "Despite Their Titles, Power and Pelf", they are classed with the rest of us trishul-wielding pregnant-wimmen-disemboweling, gas-cylinder throwing Nazi-Presumed Rapist illiterate techno nerds. :rotfl:

This is what happened to the Jews of Oirope: eventually, the Bankers, the Technocrats, the Political Leaders, the Professeurs, the Musical Geniuses, the Scientists, were all naked and shivering with the rest of the Shopkeepers and the Garbage Collectors as they were kicked and beaten into the line to the gas chambers.

Which is why I say that the terminology must be upended into the faces of the racists, by pointing out that the division is between Right and Wrong, not Right and Left. So the real division that needs to be patched, for a concerted attack on the racists, is between the perceptions of Hindu Right and Hindu Left. Mohtermas Soundararajan and An-Ass-whatzit are examples of those who yell their superiority as being Non_Right. Well, yeah, that makes them WRONG. Someone who declares that 6th-grade children should be bullied about their presumed Casteist Heritage, cannot be described as "Left" in any humanitarian sense - they are dimwitted racist bullies, and that is what needs to be hammered all over the Internet, and maybe inside the Chronicle of Higher Education fortress.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 24 Apr 2016 18:20

In the Western Hooman-ities, as far as Indians go, I see two groups: Racists and Crypto-Racists, sometimes visible as Christianists and Left-Liberal.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 26 Apr 2016 12:46

Analyzing Left-Liberals

Sanskrit must be taken back from the clutches of Hindu supremacists, bigots, believers in brahmin exclusivity, misogynists, Islamophobes and a variety of other wrong-headed characters on the right, whose colossal ambition to control India’s vast intellectual legacy is only matched by their abysmal ignorance of what it means and how it works.


Two words that mostly "Left-Liberals" use are "bigots" and "misogynists". I call "Left-Liberals" as "social-conflict-parasites". Their aim is never never ever to diffuse any social-division but rather to create new ones, keep alive old ones and to exacerbate nominal ones, as much as possible. Social-conflict is the very air they breathe, and they can never allow such conflicts simply to dissipate.

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Postby RajeshA » 26 Apr 2016 13:09

Analyzing Left-Liberals

Their "Standard Operating Procedure" is as follows:

  1. Select a community, which may not have many outspoken members

  2. Declare this community to have been a victim of injustice and humiliation

  3. Create volumes of work on this alleged injustice and humiliation

  4. Nurture a few voice within this community to take up this narrative

  5. Organize some easily swayed among the community into a vocal protest group

  6. Start agitations and keep thus ensuing conflict simmering

  7. Provide vocal "intellectual" support to this agitation from outside

Lather, rinse, repeat! It's not rocket science. It's an easy formula that is used everywhere by them and all the time.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby A_Gupta » 26 Apr 2016 14:33

http://indiafacts.org/indian-millennial ... -mr-patel/

It has been argued by historians of the Marxist fold that Indian nationalism rests on, and is born out of the freedom struggle. I have deep reservations against this idea; however, it is very obvious that with the fading memory of colonialism, spoken if at all, in the dense post-colonial theory, no one on the younger side of 30 (60% of India) really cares if we were brought together through collectively opposing the Brits or through sitting round in a circle peeling potatoes in someone’s wedding. What is of relevance is that at the end of it all there has been cultivated a sense of the collective “Indian”.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 26 Apr 2016 15:09

Rajiv Malhotra does a great job explaining Outsider vs Insider as explained in his book "The Battle for Sanskrit"


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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 13 May 2016 12:03

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Vedveer Arya writes:

TODAY IS VAISHAKHA SHUKLA SAPTAMI : ONE OF THE GREATEST HISTORIC DATES OF SOUTH INDIA

Exactly, 1341 years ago, Harihara I was coronated on the Ratna Simhasana of the city of Vidyanagara = Vijayanagara and the date was Vaishakha Sukla Saptami, Pushya nakshtra and Hari Lagna in the year Saka 1258 i.e. 8th April 675 CE and the same day the glorious city of Vijayanagara was founded.

Today is the 1341st Vaishakha Sukla Saptami. Why not we celebrate this date as the day of Vijayanagara Empire in entire South India? Why not we recreate the city of Vijayanagara as a Historic wonderland to inspire younger generation? When will Kannadigas, Tamilians, Andhras and Tailangas come together to preserve their greatest common historic heritage? Why not we recreate the scenes of the meeting of Vidyaranya and Harihara I?

I am shocked to read an article of a History lecturer of Tanjavur in which he says that Vijayanagara kings colonized the Tamil country and restored Hinduism = Casteism. Sometimes I feel that we are the worst descendants of the greatest heritage.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby UlanBatori » 14 May 2016 00:20

So May 11-12 have come and gone. California Textbooks propahly corrected to say "South Wogistan" instead of "Injah?, one presumes, what-what I say?

The Bahmani savages have wiped out Vijayaranagaram again while the yindoos sat around contemplating their navels, hain?

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby UlanBatori » 15 May 2016 15:48

Too many threads here with last post from Ulan Bator. :(( :((

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Arjun » 18 May 2016 11:17

Diana Eck and some other prominent US academics have weighed in on Indian side in California textbook hearings: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160518/j ... zwRJ74WCyg

Decision will now be taken later this month per some articles.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Prem » 20 May 2016 03:39

‏@VamseeJuluri
INDIA STAYS... Not India, not India (S Asia). Satyameva Jayate.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby member_23692 » 20 May 2016 09:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGEy3IANPL0

Watch this video from 31.29 minutes into the video and go on until 38.11. The rest of the video is pretty useless.

This is our Indian identity, this is Indian vision, and this is our Indian proposition, or rather, should be.

We comtemporary Indians violate this vision, this identity, this vision, this proposition and this agenda, every minute of our miserable lives.

Unfortunately, in India today, out of 1 billion people, there are maybe 1000 Maharana Prataps, and the rest all are Mansinghs. If we can just increase the number of Maharan Prataps to 100,000, we will be a world power and even if we are not, more importantly, we will be a people with dignity and self respect - 10% growth year over year, not withstanding.

And then......no one will have to wash the place where we Indians sit or items we Indians touch to sanitize them.......

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Arjun » 21 May 2016 10:45

Congratulations due to the men & women of the hour - Suhag Shukla & Vamsee Juluri !

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Agnimitra » 27 Oct 2016 00:48

X-post from Red Menace thread:

When will India begin to link "social justice" with the "Pakistan problem"? In doing so, we can redirect one threat to target the other.

Indian discourse should predicate Pakistan's inherent belligerence on the feudal structure of Pakistani society, and not just on the military's footprint there. The "civil-military" dichotomy is the snake oil sold as the problem within Pakistan, but the fact is that the "civil" part of that is also democratic feudalism (at best). Religion serves as the intermediary between this oligarchy and the oppressed masses there.

On the wisdom of "If you want peace, work for justice", the discourse across India should be that the solution to Pakistan's problem is to break down the feudal structure of Pakistan's society by 'encouraging' the oligarchy there to do 'bhudaan' before they leave for their nests in Canada. 'Encouragement' can come in the form of the uncontrolled spread of Naxalism and its anti-feudal and religion-averse work to Pakistan at the grassroots level.

Even in Balochistan, it is people of some Marxist persuasion who are at the forefront of the freedom struggle there. Many other Islamized Baloch actually join the ranks of the Taliban - which is symptomatic of how the Islamist intermediaries have hooked into popular discontent and search for justice. The introduction of Naxalism there (after its decades-long "success" in India's reform of feudalism) will deprive Islamism of a primary hook, and also turn it against the ashrafiya.

The useful redirection of Naxalism and its vast network within India (at the levels of 'intelligentsia' and 'proletariat') towards the Pakistan problem will also reorient its seditious nature to a patriotic one. Of course, this should be accompanied with continuing empowerment, reform and justice as part of 'sab ka saath, sab ka vikaas' development.

A New Left is needed in India.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 20 Nov 2016 13:23

White Racism

I am starting to think there are two forms of white racism - moral superiority and power superiority. Moral superiority based white racism very much interested in finishing off all cultural competition to its dominance. Power superiority based preserve the cultural identity of its opponents, but want to be respected and awed by them, but are destined to follow their natural demise, allowing others to dominate eventually.

Former uses Islam as an agent of destruction of other cultures. Not just Islam but many other forms of ideology - Communism, Missionary Christianism, Media Propaganda to denigrate culture and leadership, Corruption, Mass immigration, Academic monopolism, etc.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 23 Nov 2016 13:49

ProRegressives

Some call themselves Liberals, others call themselves Progressives, but almost all seem to be very supportive of certain fascist and regressive medieval ideologies, giving support to them under the tagline "Freedom of Religion".

In the same spirit that Seculars are called out as Sickulars, I would like to rename Progressives as ProRegressives.

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 06 Dec 2016 13:03

There is an ideological war going on ...

Hindus vs HINOs (Hindus in Name Only)

Dharmics vs Dhimmics

Bharatiyas vs Colonial Clerks

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby Agnimitra » 24 Mar 2017 01:42

X-post from Sanskrit nukkad:

On the age-old controversy over slaughterhouses and meat as a part of diet, here's an case for meat-eating in Sanskrit:

मांसतत्त्वविवेकः

The author, Vishvanatha Bhattacharya, was a leading light of the Navya Nyaya school of Logic in Navadvipa, Bengal. Navadvipa became famous as a seat of New Logic at that time, before it produced Shri Chaitanya and became the heart of the Bhakti Movement. In his works on Logic, the author, Vishvanatha, theorized that space and time were one, and matter and energy were convertible, etc - theories that became common only in the 20th century. (Aside: Another case that shows that while India produced geniuses, the national culture at the time could not recognize them. Perhaps if Madhva's Realism had become the predominant philosophy, things might have been different.)

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Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Postby RajeshA » 20 Aug 2017 19:08

Major Initiative

In the last couple of years, I have been reading books and articles of Shri Vedveer Arya with a very keen interest. If anybody has come close to fixing India's chronology, it is he. He is a man with a deep understanding of traditional astronomy, calendars, Sanskrit and the vast treasure trove of India's history-relevant literature and epigraphic data. He is one man who can chew all "eminent and colonial historians". Shri Vedveer Arya is an independent reasearcher, though he works at the Ministry of Defence, India.

If anybody feels doubtful of what I am claiming about Shri Vedveer Arya, all one needs to do is to read his books and articles, and convince oneself. His work is freely available.

Shri Vedveer Arya has now started an initiative at MyGov.in called "Re-establishing the True Chronological History of India".

If you desire that Chronology of India's History be fixed and not remain enslaved by the vice-like grip of the West on India's history, Please support his initiative.

For the initiative to be taken up, it requires 5000 votes. Please vote for the initiative and if you can, get your friends and family too to vote for the initiative.

Thank you!


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