Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby pentaiah » 26 Feb 2013 08:59

Pakis always know how to beat the visa and immigration system, be it Norway, Sweden, France, or Singapore, British student visa fraud is completely by pakis

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Comer » 26 Feb 2013 09:25

SSridhar wrote:
AbhiJ wrote:Aussie Vijja.

How do the Pakistanis choose which country's visa is needed ? In other words, why suddenly Australia rather than the traditional and time-tested Canada ?


Why not the lands of their four fathers or deeper than GUBO Cheen mulk?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Baikul » 26 Feb 2013 10:27

Anand K wrote:Ghazi on Screen
:mrgreen:


To my mind this link is an important reality check plus propagandu reference point because it clearly reveals that the "behead those who insult the Prophet" gang are not just social outliers and exceptions to the religion of peace, but heroes glorified by the masses.

In short, they have consistently made popular movies and TV dramas showcasing murder in the name of religion. How then can anyone then claim that they are a fringe phenomenon when they clearly have large scale social support?

From the link:

"In 2002, Gujar Art Production produced a remake of Haider’s film, Ilam Din Shaheed (1978). In 1991, PTV aired ‘Ghazi Ilam Din Shaheed’, directed by Iqbal Ansari, scripted by Asghar Nadeem Syed"

So, 1978, 1991, 2002 - and that's just TV and films on the herrow. Who knows how many books have been written on his 'valour'?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby JE Menon » 26 Feb 2013 10:53

SSridhar wrote:
AbhiJ wrote:Aussie Vijja.

How do the Pakistanis choose which country's visa is needed ? In other words, why suddenly Australia rather than the traditional and time-tested Canada ?


A study by the Pakistani Interior Ministry, commissioned personally by Rehman Malik, came to the conclusion that most of the applicants for visas were men, hence the approach to Canada (which specialises in visas for Pakistani women) was an inefficient way of going about things. So while leaving the Canada option open to Pakistani women, word has been spread among other things that the Australian visa application procedure is more suitable for Pakistani men. This, too, apparently has been the result of some research, involving mainly fieldwork by the Pakistani diplomatic community. For their part, the Australian immigration service officers are supposed to be quite pleased by this turn of events; the Ministry of Defence, however, is perplexed as to why a retired officer Brian Cloughley has put in an application to join the immigration service and was using his vast contacts to secure a relatively lowly position as application evaluator.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby member_23629 » 26 Feb 2013 11:19

Anand K wrote:Ghazi on Screen
:mrgreen:


There is a lot of Islamist propaganda attached to the story, as usual.

VIEW: The Ilam Din fiasco and lies about Jinnah

In the recent debate over the blasphemy law, a group of Jamaat-e-Islami-backed right-wing authors have come up with an extraordinary lie. It is extraordinary because it calls into question the professional integrity of the one man in South Asian history who has been described as incorruptible and honest to the bone by even his most vociferous critics and fiercest rivals, i.e. Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The lie goes something like this: ‘Ghazi’ Ilam Din ‘Shaheed’ killed blasphemer Hindu Raj Pal and was represented by Quaid-e-Azam at the trial who advised him to deny his involvement in the murder. ‘Ghazi’ and ‘Shaheed’ Ilam Din refused and said that he would never lie about the fact that he killed Raja Pal. Quaid-e-Azam lost the case and Ilam Din was hanged.

To start with, the story is entirely wrong. First of all, Jinnah was not the trial lawyer. Second, Ilam Din had entered the not guilty plea through his trial lawyer who was a lawyer from Lahore named Farrukh Hussain. The trial court ruled against Ilam Din. The trial lawyer appealed in the Lahore High Court and got Jinnah to appear as the lawyer in appeal. So there is no way Jinnah could have influenced Ilam Din to change his plea when the plea was already entered at the trial court level. Nor was Ilam Din exactly the ‘matchless warrior’ that Iqbal declared him to be — while simultaneously refusing to lead his funeral prayers. Indeed Ilam Din later filed a mercy petition to the King Emperor asking for a pardon.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2013 11:26

JE Menon wrote:So while leaving the Canada option open to Pakistani women, word has been spread among other things that the Australian visa application procedure is more suitable for Pakistani men.

Aha . . . So, that helps in seggregating men and women as is required by the Book. Also, for the TSP men folk who end up in far-away Australia, there is enough 'uncovered meat' there which gives them the right to engage in activities that otherwise the momeen would have needed Kushboo goats back in the Land of the Pure. Excellent idea.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Lilo » 26 Feb 2013 11:26


From 2:13 onwards Pakis worshipping Ghazi ilm uddins shrine in LaWhore :rotfl:

I say these guys need more Islam - can any salafi or deobandi in Pakiland stepforward and do the deed ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby svinayak » 26 Feb 2013 11:33

varunkumar wrote:
Anand K wrote:Ghazi on Screen
:mrgreen:


There is a lot of Islamist propaganda attached to the story, as usual.

VIEW: The Ilam Din fiasco and lies about Jinnah

In the recent debate over the blasphemy law, a group of Jamaat-e-Islami-backed right-wing authors have come up with an extraordinary lie. It is extraordinary because it calls into question the professional integrity of the one man in South Asian history who has been described as incorruptible and honest to the bone by even his most vociferous critics and fiercest rivals, i.e. Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The lie goes something like this: ‘Ghazi’ Ilam Din ‘Shaheed’ killed blasphemer Hindu Raj Pal and was represented by Quaid-e-Azam at the trial who advised him to deny his involvement in the murder. ‘Ghazi’ and ‘Shaheed’ Ilam Din refused and said that he would never lie about the fact that he killed Raja Pal. Quaid-e-Azam lost the case and Ilam Din was hanged.

To start with, the story is entirely wrong. First of all, Jinnah was not the trial lawyer. Second, Ilam Din had entered the not guilty plea through his trial lawyer who was a lawyer from Lahore named Farrukh Hussain. The trial court ruled against Ilam Din. The trial lawyer appealed in the Lahore High Court and got Jinnah to appear as the lawyer in appeal. So there is no way Jinnah could have influenced Ilam Din to change his plea when the plea was already entered at the trial court level. Nor was Ilam Din exactly the ‘matchless warrior’ that Iqbal declared him to be — while simultaneously refusing to lead his funeral prayers. Indeed Ilam Din later filed a mercy petition to the King Emperor asking for a pardon.


Thus ‘Ghazi’ Ilam Din ‘Shaheed’ killed blasphemer Hindu Raj Pal story is important since it reinforces the false image that Islam is in danger. MJ Akbar talks about this shift in Jinnah story and how it changed the fortune of ML and paved the way for Pakistan. But the identity crisis is still there and the real fear in the 1930 is still inside Pakistan. This ghost has to be removed from Pak/Jinnah


That is the reason some of the literate Pak keep insisting that Pakistan name should remain no matter what even if there is a federal link with India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Anand K » 26 Feb 2013 11:41

Nothing beats the Hindu temple scene from Moosa Khan.... such delicious mind-bending evil. 8) Beats even the flying, speaking, laser-firing, self-replicating Koran from International Gorrilay.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2013 16:22

Nightwatch
Pakistan: On Sunday, problems at a single electric power station lead to a cascading power outage that affected the entire country, according to Pakistan newspapers. The newspaper Dawn reported that 30 percent of the country was still without power on Tuesday morning. The massive power breakdown affected most major cities and towns, from Islamabad to Karachi, in the late hours of the 24th, Dawn reported. The electricity supply was suspended in Lahore, Gujranwala, Multan, Quetta, Peshawar and Sukkur and other cities and towns across the country due to a major fault in the National Power Control Center system. The breakdown occurred at Uch Power Station around 11:00 p.m. local time. Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf ordered an inquiry to determine the cause of the countrywide power failure. Comment: One Pakistani commentator wondered how this could have happened because in the past few years the Pakistan Electric Power Company had made a major investment in safeguards to prevent precisely this kind of blackout. Pakistan is becoming accident prone, without redundancy. That is an early sign of systemic collapse.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby RajeshA » 26 Feb 2013 16:25

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan: On Sunday, problems at a single electric power station lead to a cascading power outage that affected the entire country
...
That is an early sign of systemic collapse.


The more Pakis get used to this and the more this expands to military installations, the better it would be when the time comes for "aar-paar ki ladai"! Many would just think it is a power blackout!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 26 Feb 2013 16:57

SSridhar wrote:
AbhiJ wrote:Aussie Vijja.

How do the Pakistanis choose which country's visa is needed ? In other words, why suddenly Australia rather than the traditional and time-tested Canada ?


Can't travel to Canada by boat. Besides, all that wasteland and desert reminds the pakis of home.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 26 Feb 2013 17:03

Anand K wrote:Ghazi on Screen
:mrgreen:


Good find. Its on Youtube as well. Here's the summary of this lollywoodian masterpiece (in pakjabi-pinglish, no less):

Raj Pal wants to publish an inflammatory book to provoke the Muslims. The white ruler (Angraiz Sarkar) has assured him that no harm will come his way. But his wife and daughter - who was once about to be raped by a local Hindu tough (Munawwar Saeed), only to be rescued by Ilam Din - dissuade him. When the book hits the stall, Muslims begin to protest. Raj Pal is sent to jail by the district court and the book is banned.

A Christian High Court judge, however, not only overturns the ban but also orders Raj Pal’s release. This annoys Muslims. A Pashtun, Abdul Aziz Kohati (Badar Munir), goes to Raj Pal’s office intending to murder him, but in a case of mistaken identity, kills his relative instead. Another attempt is made on Raj Pal’s life by a shadowy character played by Iqbal Hassan. Eventually, when Ilam Din, who has been working at Kohat, gets to know of Raj Pal, he returns to Lahore and stabs the author to death.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby member_22539 » 26 Feb 2013 17:05

Does anyone have a copy of Rangeela Rasool in English? If so, please show me how to get a copy myself.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Chandragupta » 26 Feb 2013 17:47

Arun Menon wrote:Does anyone have a copy of Rangeela Rasool in English? If so, please show me how to get a copy myself.


http://www.islam-watch.org/books/rangee ... rophet.pdf

This is in Hindi though.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby JE Menon » 26 Feb 2013 18:17

SSridhar wrote:
JE Menon wrote:So while leaving the Canada option open to Pakistani women, word has been spread among other things that the Australian visa application procedure is more suitable for Pakistani men.

Aha . . . So, that helps in seggregating men and women as is required by the Book. Also, for the TSP men folk who end up in far-away Australia, there is enough 'uncovered meat' there which gives them the right to engage in activities that otherwise the momeen would have needed Kushboo goats back in the Land of the Pure. Excellent idea.


Very much so. Pak thinker Ejaz de Boner has called it "bilateral thinking".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby member_22539 » 26 Feb 2013 18:18

^^Thanks, but I suck at Hindi big time. I hope someone has a translation. If not, someone should translate it, this should not be restricted to just one language.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby akashganga » 26 Feb 2013 18:22

partha wrote:^
wow! to appeal for asylum is one thing but to demand it as if they are entitled to it is something only shameless Pakis can do!

These muslims always seek asylum in kaffir lands like India, Australia, US, Canada, UK, etc. Why not in Saudi Arabia which is thinly populated and they can practice their religion in its purest form. There are more than 50 countries with muslim majority and none of them give asylum to their brothers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby sum » 26 Feb 2013 18:24

Our newest strategic "ally" uvacha:
India used Afghanistan as second front, financed problems for Pak: Chuck Hagel

In a sharp contrast to US view on India’s role in Afghanistan, US President Barack Obama’s Defence Secretary nominee Chuck Hagel has alleged that India has over the years ‘financed problems’ for Pakistan in the war-torn country.

A video containing these remarks from an unreleased speech of Hagel at Oklahoma’s Cameron University in 2011 was uploaded by Washington Free Beacon, sparking a strong reaction from India which said such comments are “contrary to the reality” of its unbounded dedication to the welfare of Afghans.

Hagel, during the speech said, “India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border”.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Suppiah » 26 Feb 2013 18:25

Ha Arun bhai is this a kaanspeeracy? Any one that translates that is bull cattle... We can ask one of our secular free speech liberal leftists to do that

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Suppiah » 26 Feb 2013 18:27

BTW the publisher is one Md. Rafi wonder what happened to him

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2013 18:52


India will generously interpret this as 'US compulsion at this critical stage'. We will not mind this because at the strategic macro level, India and the USA have convergence. There can be always wrinkles at a tactical micro level. I am just waiting for reactions on these lines.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 26 Feb 2013 19:38

Now is the time for an Indian spokesman to state forcefully, that India has a long history in Afghanistan that goes back 3000 years, that the names Afghanistan, Kabul and Kandahar are of Indian origin; that India has done good work that has been appreciated by the majority of the Afghan people; that India is not seen as undesirable, interloping or even foreign, also that the most progressive course is to encourage a democratic, pluralistic, secular and modern Afghanistan, and that India will assist in that goal. What exactly is the problem in expressing this idea?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby वरुण » 26 Feb 2013 20:23

Arun Menon wrote:Does anyone have a copy of Rangeela Rasool in English? If so, please show me how to get a copy myself.


Translated the Prologue:

Prologue
In this book, the writer has written about the life of Hazrat Mohammed Sahib after the age of 25. The writer hasn't described the period before that, so I consider it my duty to present a summary of his life from birth until the age of 25.

Hazrat Mohammad's father was named Abdullah, who was the son of Abdul Muttalib. He was from the Kuresh clan, which was one of the foremost clans of the Arabs at the time. He was born on 12 Rabiul, Monday (11 November), Year 569 in Mecca. his father Abdullah died before Mohammed was born. So, he was initially brought up by his grandfather Abdul Muttalib, and after his grandfather's death (Mohammed was 8 years old at the time), Mohammed was looked after by his uncle Hazrat Abu Talib.

Mohammed's mother Hazrat Amina brought him up by feeding him, but according to their tradition, he was sent to a lady in a nearby village named Halima Sadiya for some time for his physical and mental growth. Soon after returning from the village, Mohammed's mother passed away. Now, the responsibility landed on his Uncle, who ran a business, so he inducted Mohammed also into his business and gave him the task for herding goats. Time passed while herding goats, and Mohammed entered his youth. He was gifted by God with tremendous beauty, a strong body, a pure heart and honesty. His whole life until now had been spent in poverty and struggle, with the comfort of his mother having left him when he was young and having never experienced a father's love.

In his 25th year, Mohammed caught the eye of a rich widowed lady named Khadija, who at the time was 40 years old. Mohammed also gave his heart to her. It was like a lottery for Mohammed, who was deprived of love for 25 years, found all the love for his mother and his wife in her.

Now you may read carefully about Mohammed Sahib's pure? character, and learn from his life, because this kind of an educational life is hard to find in any God's prophet, in who's footsteps you only find paradise. In which each statement has been referenced by evidence that Sunni muslims believe in. If you find this way to be a way to Hell, then you can renounce your faith today, because without knowing the truth it is natural for anyone to become a faithful disciple.

This whole biography has been written with evidence and without any bias. It is clear that for the community, whose founder himself had been so pure and who's example cannot be found anywhere else in this world, that his message and principles would be so educational. Readers are asked to think for themselves.

Distributor:-
"Mohammed Rafi"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby arun » 26 Feb 2013 20:35

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country self claimed to have been created to provide a safe haven to the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, sees yet again an incident of Green on Green religion inspired Intra Mohammadden violence with a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan killing two.

What is not clear though is if this demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan is the manifestation of an act of Green on Green Sectarian Shia-Sunni violence or Green on Green Sub-Sectarian Sunni Deobandi-Barelvi or some such like act of violence:

Bomb blast at shrine in Shikarpur kills two

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby arun » 26 Feb 2013 20:53

The health risks posed to India’s children by offering a liberalised visa regime to the citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for travel to India, is once again highlighted:

Girl becomes KP’s second polio victim this year

This health threat from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is unlikely to improve soon as today’s news also shows that personnel providing security to Polio vaccination teams in that country are being targetted:

Policeman killed in fresh attack on polio team

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby shiv » 26 Feb 2013 20:58

arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country self claimed to have been created to provide a safe haven to the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, sees yet again an incident of Green on Green religion inspired Intra Mohammadden violence with a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan killing two.

What is not clear though is if this demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan is the manifestation of an act of Green on Green Sectarian Shia-Sunni violence or Green on Green Sub-Sectarian Sunni Deobandi-Barelvi or some such like act of violence:

Bomb blast at shrine in Shikarpur kills two

Quiet day today.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby rohitvats » 26 Feb 2013 21:04

Pretty interesting video - have not seen a western analyst with such clarity on TSP. Well, the fact that he seems to be of Indian origin may have a role to play.

Check this out:


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby RamaY » 26 Feb 2013 21:17

^ this guy is an Indian and Telugu to be precise.

Anyways there are couple of gaps in his PoV.

1. Why west supports Pakistan? Not to negotiate/reach-out to Taliban, as if Taliban is the china of 1970s. The west needs Pakistan to undermine India's rise and potential hold over this key geopolitical region.

2. Does Pakistan have the potential to become developed? Not as long as it puts Islam before everything else. Secondly there is no difference between Paki Army, RAPEs and Paki middle class. Paki Army leadership's family members are RAPE and general paki army employe families are the middle class. It is all one big family.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby ramana » 26 Feb 2013 21:30

SSridhar wrote:
AbhiJ wrote:Aussie Vijja.

How do the Pakistanis choose which country's visa is needed ? In other words, why suddenly Australia rather than the traditional and time-tested Canada ?



Invariably the host country has to have adverse (overt or covert) relations with India.

Canada for a lont time had covert resentment against India soon after Independence. Many Anglo Canadians died in the colonial project and are buried in British cemeteries in India.

Caroe's Seven Circles of power puts Australia in same circle as India and hence there is covert resentment against rise of India.


Aussies hosted the first of the LeT's overseas detachments.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Lalmohan » 26 Feb 2013 21:41

has anyone been wondering if the grid collapse in pakistan was entirely from "natural" causes?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby ramana » 26 Feb 2013 21:49

You want India to get credit for the sorry Paki infrastructure.

When the simplest explanation suffices its not useful to come up with complex Chunkey Pandaian theories.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby rohitvats » 26 Feb 2013 21:59

Presenting the white Pakistani in our midst, the darling of WKK and pseudo-secularists, Mr. William Dalrymple, doing equal-equal between Indian and Pakistan.

People like him need to be kicked out of India.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Lalmohan » 26 Feb 2013 22:37

ramana wrote:You want India to get credit for the sorry Paki infrastructure.

When the simplest explanation suffices its not useful to come up with complex Chunkey Pandaian theories.


no, my original hypothesis was that the attack on indian grid was by cheeni or paqui hackers - i wonder if they have turned inwards or their test programme went wrong?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 26 Feb 2013 23:27

http://dawn.com/2013/02/26/coexistence-with-india-iii/
Coexistence with India – III
(Mobarak Haider is a Munafiq and Wajibul Kaffar Treatment)


Although Islam did not teach so, our ulema teache us that Allah created Adam and his race only to be Muslims. Therefore, those who do not accept Islam, go against their humanity. Over the past 65 years this interpretation of humanity has taken ever deeper root in our thinking. We are made to believe that Muslims are the only proper humans, the righteous and the blessed; that the rest of mankind is on the wrong track and must be brought to the right track or under the rule of the righteous Muslim empire. With this belief as their banner, followers of Sheikh Ibne Wahhab and Syed Qutb aspire to establish their Global Arab Empire; human systems that do not conform to their concept of Islam But our alienation from the rest of mankind is not the only tragedy. Division within the Muslim camp starts on the issue: who is a “true Muslim”? As believers we have been taught for ages that the scholars of Islam know better, that they are the doctors of our soul. Now there are different sects of Muslims and every sect has its ulema. They define “true Muslims” according to their separate sets of belief. This has been growing into greater bitterness within the Muslim community, each declaring the other as misguided, if not heretical, leading to clashed and bloodshed.must be abolished.Indian leaders chose the path of inclusiveness to combat communal clashes. Without this wise approach, the vengeance of the Hindu who was vanquished for centuries in his own motherland could have caused immense bloodshed. Imagine a Muslim population whose places of worship are attacked and destroyed for centuries, whose holies are repeatedly insulted for generations and then they rise to freedom and power! What massacres of revenge will you expect?
The gradual cooling down of temper and insanity is possible only in a tolerant democracy which permits diversity and discussion. It is this constitutional openness that saved India from falling apart. We, in Pakistan, chose to decide all matters on religious belief; first our ulema rejected people of other religions as “heretics”, then our own religious minorities one by one.This meant a clear move to shed us away as a load which they thought would suck more than serve. They could have kept us if they wished. Time could have weakened our resolve for separation, but that could be then. As for now, after what we have made of ourselves, a perfect hornets’ nest, a paranoid crowd of self-righteous militants, it seems highly improbable for any sane planner of India to annex Pakistan.This strategy of load shedding by Nehru, Patel and their like could at best be called clever. It was not wise as many humanists warned. Division based on hate is not diversity but disorder. Diversity is individuality in harmony with its world, while disorder is a dismissal of harmony. That clever move made the “Two Nations” waste their trillions on weapons of mass destruction, leaving their teeming millions in abject misery. It brought several wars to the subcontinent and pushed our part to the brink of one civil war after another till it reduced us to diverse tribes of a mythical ummah where no national identity exists.
Do we inherit the sins and liabilities of our ancestors? Yes, because we inherit their virtues and their assets. Like other conquerors, our medieval ancestors ruled their subjects against their will. Hindus never went out of the subcontinent to invade or rule others, while invasion and domination were genetic to Muslims. They preferred to dominate rather than befriend.
Conquest and killing leaves lasting scars. Those who are disgraced and defeated pass their memories of pain to the posterity, that breeds new conflicts. Only an admission of misdeeds opens the path to redemption. The contemporary descendants of Vikings, Romans and Mongols do not take pride in the violent history of their ancestors. In contrast, the boastful pride of our past makes us crudely unique and alienates us from the world. An honest admission instead can work as the recipe for coexistence. Such civilized attitudes are not humiliating; they can win us respect among nations. But that is not possible without a strong dismissal of the terrorists who represent the darkest aspects of our psyche.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby akashganga » 27 Feb 2013 00:18

Jhujar wrote:http://dawn.com/2013/02/26/coexistence-with-india-iii/
Coexistence with India – III
(Mobarak Haider is a Munafiq and Wajibul Kaffar Treatment)


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Do we inherit the sins and liabilities of our ancestors? Yes, because we inherit their virtues and their assets. Like other conquerors, our medieval ancestors ruled their subjects against their will. Hindus never went out of the subcontinent to invade or rule others, while invasion and domination were genetic to Muslims. They preferred to dominate rather than befriend.[/b] Conquest and killing leaves lasting scars. Those who are disgraced and defeated pass their memories of pain to the posterity, that breeds new conflicts. Only an admission of misdeeds opens the path to redemption. The contemporary descendants of Vikings, Romans and Mongols do not take pride in the violent history of their ancestors. In contrast, the boastful pride of our past makes us crudely unique and alienates us from the world. An honest admission instead can work as the recipe for coexistence. Such civilized attitudes are not humiliating; they can win us respect among nations. But that is not possible without a strong dismissal of the terrorists who represent the darkest aspects of our psyche.

This guy talks of admission of past mistakes, redemption, etc. Have you ever heard of a muslim apologizing to Kafir. If these pakjabi muslims wants to admit mistakes they should start from 7th century when the first arab muslim set foot in Indian subcontinent.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Mort Walker » 27 Feb 2013 00:33

rohitvats wrote:Presenting the white Pakistani in our midst, the darling of WKK and pseudo-secularists, Mr. William Dalrymple, doing equal-equal between Indian and Pakistan.

People like him need to be kicked out of India.




Rohit,

Thanks I will look into this some more as in the past I have enjoyed WD's writing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby SBajwa » 27 Feb 2013 00:50

Anand K wrote:
Ghazi on Screen


One thing that strikes me is that Indian non-muslims like

1. Madan Lal Dhingra
2. Lala Lajput Rai.
3. Bhagat Singh
4. Udham Singh
5. Chandrashekhar Azad.
6. Ras Bihari Bose
7. and thousands others that fought british

always were proud of hitting British who are occupying their "mother land"

while Muslims never attacked British because for them India is a Qafir Land or Dar-ul-Harb. Thus people like
Aurungzeb
Ahmad Barelvi
Ilumdeen

who only attack the Indian non-muslims are more revered by Muslims.

It is not only a recent thing it is across the board among all of the believers of the Arabian mythology.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 27 Feb 2013 01:11

"The west needs Pakistan to undermine India's rise and potential hold over this key geopolitical region."

Wonder why they think they have to undermine India's rise. What are they concerned about? India is very sound philosophically, ideologically and institutionally, despite the horrendous things that sometimes go on there. India is not after control, domination, hegemony or unilateralism.

Really, what this mindset in the West is thinking is "How can we undermine India's abilitity to undermine the whole concept of domination, control and empire, which is what we are after". Pakistan is the obvious answer. They want to keep India out of Central Asia, because if India is in, they are faced with another competitor, though not a country that is striving for empire. India will not only compete in the long run, but also encourage other countries to become more independent in the management and control of resources, and this is something they want to avoid.


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