Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2013 22:29

anupmisra wrote:
chetak wrote:anupmisraji,

who is this brother??
Jawed "closet paki" Naqvi. Besides being a committed commie, he is also a confused islamist (although the two political styles don't mix). He writes for "al Dawn".

Not surprised, saar.

All the closet paki types form a shady, incestuous lot enjoying freedoms under Indian democracy but wouldn't last even a few days in the land of the pure for sheer anti national opinions.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Apr 2013 22:32

I stand corrected. In one of my earlier posts I had claimed that the pakis now numbered around 190 Million. Apparently I was only off by "this" much. Pakis are now over 200 Million as per last year's census. Where the Population Bomb is Exploding

Pakistan's population stood at 197.4 million in 2011, an increase of 62.7 million from the last census in 1998 (Note 1). The new population is 20 million more than had been forecast in United Nations documents.

Pakistan has passed Brazil and become the world's 5th most populous nation

So, there is clear logic now to rename BRICS to PRICS.

Here's what the official paki census clock states: 182730847 in April 2013.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Apr 2013 23:11

Around 5M is a floating population from Af Pak area.

There is no clear pop figures in the peripheri

But check for consumption of food, energy and transportation to figure out the right figure
Comparitive figure from other nations will also give clarity

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 06 Apr 2013 23:55

Brad Goodman wrote:India starts visa-on-arrival facility for Pakistani senior citizens

NEW DELHI: After dithering over the decision for over two months, India has finally started 'visa-on-arrival' facility for Pakistani senior citizens on reciprocal basis.

Senior Pakistani citizens of more than 65 years of age will now get 'visa-on-arrival' (VoA) at Attari/Wagah check-post for 45 days. It will be a single entry visa.

Given half a chance MMS would only be too happy to be ready with Vasleine and give a guboing welcome to all the Shitistanis.
The actions of this anti-national government are just sickening.

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 07 Apr 2013 00:08

Vipul wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:India starts visa-on-arrival facility for Pakistani senior citizens

Given half a chance MMS would only be too happy to be ready with Vasleine and give a guboing welcome to all the Shitistanis.
The actions of this anti-national government are just sickening.

Is it possible to take any legal action against government to stop this dangerous madness. Pakjabis and islamists are dangerous whatever their age. Many of the over 65 year old would have participated in killing hindus/sikhs during partition in 1947.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Apr 2013 01:35

OK watch atleast the first 2-3 mins of this program Jirga with Salim Safi.
TTP walas giving a warning to Pervez Mushy in Ingliss no less and preparing kommandus to 72 him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2iX8MMWlY

saip · Post by **saip** » 07 Apr 2013 03:32

Dont understand why the Davis cup tie was awarded to NZ. First match Pakis won and the second was abandoned in the third set (with both teams sharing the first two) when the pakis were leading 3:0. SL referee awarded all unplayed matches including the second to NZ. What is the logic? Is it because Pakis opted to play in Burma as 'home' ground and because the 'host' did not provide suitable court? Why did pakis opt for Myanmar when they keep complaining that Muslims are being killed everyday by the Buddhists? They felt safer in Myanmar?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Apr 2013 05:59

Everything, including the visa-on-arrival scheme for senior Pakistani terrorists, was put on hold after the beheading and mutilation of the IA jawans. The GoI has relaxed one of them now when there is only a caretaker government in Pakistan. Earlier, Man Mohan Singh wanted to have a state visit to Pakistan when the lame duck Zardari government was on its last legs. And, now this. One is not sure what is the diplomacy being followed here for dividends for India. Is the incumbent Indian government sensing an early Indian election and trying therefore to dismantle all restrictions on TSP as a parting gift ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2013 06:12

akashganga wrote:
I would like to see rabid Islamist government in Pakistan with nuke arms and long range missiles. What will be the response of uncle. Will they be able to have agreement with taliban types. Chinese will obviously be very happy. It will be difficult for India. We are tough enough to face as we have been getting hit by pakjabis to 65 years and by islamists for the last 1200 plus years.

My take on this is as follows. A nuclear armed Pakistan with long range missiles is a very distinct possibility. But while Pakistan gets there the US will do everything to keep Pakistan's hate localized to India and keep the "region balanced" because that would be in the interests of the US and keep Pakistani anger away from the US mainland. In fact I would right now mentally prepare for the possibility of a squadron of F-35s being given to Pakistan in the next decade or so because this is how the US "balances" powers. This is how Japan and So Ko are balanced against China and NoKo and this is how KSA is balanced against Israel.

But in the long term the "breaking away" of Pakistan from US control would represent a real loss of US influence and a real decrease in US global clout. If you look at US influence in Pakistan as an indirect way of controlling India's actions in the world, a loss of US influence in Pakistan would also mean a loss of US influence on India. This ultimately boils down to a "shrinkage" of US power.

Pakistan's relationship with the USA is such that India is relatively weaker as long as Pakistan gets its strength from US support. If Pakistan remains a vassal state of the US, India will be relatively weaker, but Pakistan will always be a US gulaam. If Islamic Pakistan and its Islamic army break away from slavery to the US. Pakistan and the US get weaker. India gets stronger. For India to remain weak, Pakistanis must continue to be US slaves and the Pakistani army must continue to allow the killing of Pashtuns by the US

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 07 Apr 2013 07:10

Gagan wrote:OK watch atleast the first 2-3 mins of this program Jirga with Salim Safi.
TTP walas giving a warning to Pervez Mushy in Ingliss no less and preparing kommandus to 72 him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2iX8MMWlY

waalaekumus salam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Janab log

In the midst of dadiwallah Taliban brothers and the purest kind , what is Bic and Shick shaving sticks advertisement doing in the sticker line under the video screen?

Any hidden message to Gola Kamandu to be clean scalped?

Shukria in advance

Salamat

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Apr 2013 07:33

X posted from the “ISI History and Discussions” thread.

Such is the way of “Jihad fi Sabilillah” or translated “Jihad in the path of Allah”.

New York Times reports that the uniformed jihadis of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, in particular the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate ( ISID aka ISI) in return for the US killing “bad Taliban” Nek Mohammed, permitted unfettered visitation rights for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s national bird, the predator drone.

Excerpt:

As the battles raged in South Waziristan, the station chief in Islamabad paid a visit to Gen. Ehsan ul Haq, the ISI chief, and made an offer: If the C.I.A. killed Mr. Muhammad, would the ISI allow regular armed drone flights over the tribal areas?

In secret negotiations, the terms of the bargain were set. Pakistani intelligence officials insisted that they be allowed to approve each drone strike, giving them tight control over the list of targets. And they insisted that drones fly only in narrow parts of the tribal areas — ensuring that they would not venture where Islamabad did not want the Americans going: Pakistan’s nuclear facilities, and the mountain camps where Kashmiri militants were trained for attacks in India.

The ISI and the C.I.A. agreed that all drone flights in Pakistan would operate under the C.I.A.’s covert action authority — meaning that the United States would never acknowledge the missile strikes and that Pakistan would either take credit for the individual killings or remain silent.

Read it all:

Rise of the Predators : A Secret Deal on Drones, Sealed in Blood

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Apr 2013 08:04

“Tactically brilliant plan” goes awry

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News item from a week back touting the “tactical brilliance” of selecting a grass court in Myanmar to play a Davis Cup tie given that sportspersons from most other countries do not wish to risk life and limb by playing in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan to host Davis Cup tie in Myanmar

Waqar Hamza
Tuesday, March 05, 2013
From Print Edition

KARACHI: The International Tennis Federation (ITF) has allowed Pakistan to play their home tie against New Zealand at the grass courts of Myanmar in April.

“We are very thankful to ITF that it has considered our request for holding our home tie in Myanmar. Now we are requesting sponsors to come forward and help the national tennis team in this regard,” said President Pakistan Tennis Federation (PTF) Kaleem Imam while talking to ‘The News’.

He said Myanmar had two grass courts, which would really help Pakistani players, especially Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi. “This will be the first time in the history of Pakistan tennis that we will have our home tie on the courts of our choice at a neutral venue, which is a good sign because Pakistan has long been denied holding ties in the country due to security situation,” he added. ………………………………..

The tie at Myanmar will deny home advantage to New Zealand, which includes crowd support, weather conditions and court surface of choice.

PTF decided to look for a neutral venue with grass courts after consultation with players and management committee. ...................

The News

News item from today that the “tactically brilliant” plan to play on a grass court in Myanmar boomeranged as the playing surface was found to be unplayable leading the referee to declare the tie as abandoned and awarded it to New Zealand as the courts were the Islamic Republic’s responsibility:

New Zealand awarded Davis Cup tie against Pakistan due to unplayable surface in Myanmar

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Apr 2013 08:28

TTP video threatening mushy
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=752_1364454506
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=8c5236257f3e" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Apr 2013 08:29

When the going gets tough, the tough get...er..evasive.

RO asks Mr. Hina Rabbani Khar to produce marriage certificate

Returning Officer Abdur Rehman Bodla asked Khar to produce her ‘nikahnama’ while examining her nomination papers in which the former minister had declared that her husband Feroz Gulzar had liabilities of Rs 35 million.

Hina Khar decides not to contest on general seat

Couldn't produce the nikahnama, eh Hina? Ask Billoo Zardari to produce one.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 07 Apr 2013 11:48

^^What did you expect from a filthy Bollywood suckling on Dawood's money?

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 07 Apr 2013 11:53

Mush-e-rat's nomination papers from karachi rejected.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 425903.cms

The returning officer for a constituency at Kasur in Punjab had rejected Musharraf's nomination papers on Friday on the ground that the signature did not match the one on his national identity card.

A man named Syed Tariq Ali has also objected to nomination papers filed by Musharraf for another parliamentary constituency in Islamabad.

Meanwhile, a three-judge bench of the Supreme Court led by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry will take up on Monday a petition filed by former Rawalpindi High Court Bar Association president Taufiq Asif seeking Musharraf's trial for treason.

interesting times Ahead. I think mush-e-rat has been cleverly lured in this rat trap.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Apr 2013 12:04

akashganga wrote:
Vipul wrote:{quote="Brad Goodman"}India starts visa-on-arrival facility for Pakistani senior citizens

{/quote}

Given half a chance MMS would only be too happy to be ready with Vasleine and give a guboing welcome to all the Shitistanis.
The actions of this anti-national government are just sickening.
Is it possible to take any legal action against government to stop this dangerous madness. Pakjabis and islamists are dangerous whatever their age. Many of the over 65 year old would have participated in killing hindus/sikhs during partition in 1947.

They are allowed attendants who are also let in and who may be much younger.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Apr 2013 12:18

Completely agree with the below post by the doc:

>>My take on this is as follows. A nuclear armed Pakistan with long range missiles is a very distinct possibility. But while Pakistan gets there the US will do everything to keep Pakistan's hate localized to India and keep the "region balanced" because that would be in the interests of the US and keep Pakistani anger away from the US mainland. ..

But in the long term the "breaking away" of Pakistan from US control...would also mean a loss of US influence on India. This ultimately boils down to a "shrinkage" of US power.

Pakistan's relationship with the USA is such that India is relatively weaker as long as Pakistan gets its strength from US support...<<

This is why it is in our interest to ensure that Pakistan now gains access to technologies that enable its intercontinental nuclear capability. According to the various cretins in the US, the Pakistanis currently have enough nuclear weapons to deliver over 100 warheads into India (how they know this we don't know, given that their intelligence ability demonstrated in Iraq was only moderately reliable), far more than sufficient to deter India; a capability, one can safely say now, that has been built up with winks, nudges, outright connivance and direct material and financial support by the various countries that wanted to see Pakistan in a position to deter India, including the US, China and to some extent Britain/France/Japan.

However, what Pakistan does not have is the ability to deter those in the US, Europe, Japan and even China with its Islamic bomb. Since we are anyway threatened and exposed by a Pakistani nuclear capability created by the US/China, and given that Pakistan having an intercontinental capability will not increase the threat to us in any significant way, why not strengthen our growing convergence of interest with the US (and others) by ensuring that they feel quite as concerned as we do with Pakistan's nuclear capability. Nothing like the possibility of a Pakistani ICBM on its way to your hometown to concentrate the mind. Delivered by state actors too, unlike the more arbitrary current possibility of a non-state jihadi delivered atomic munition (JDAM).

Pakistan's "deep state" (deepened, and I daresay widened, every time an American general or bald chunky state department official visits) is manically concerned about their nukes being "snatched" by American commandos and associated contractors with names that reflect a macho American educated-redneck menace (Blackwater, Xe Solutions, Dynacorp). It has been reported that such companies rent more than 250 properties all over Pakistan, ostensibly for better drone targeting intelligence, but one can see that the possibilities are endless. In a scenario such as this, and in an environment where Pakistanis apparently hate the US more than India (no mean achievement that), which Pakistani general will not see the potential in attaining the capability to deter any such operation? Fast.

We can even provide the paint, in this case. I'm thinking the costs to us will be minimal; I mean what are the potential targets of these ICBMs going to do? Hold out the threat of targeting us with nukes, which they have been doing for decades anyway? Oh wait, another travel advisory is possible!

Can anyone see any downside in this, from the Indian perspective? Anyway, all these Western media wallahs and think-tank wallahs are continually complaining that India lacks a strategic culture. Maybe this will do to show them we are trying to change?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2013 12:33

JE Menon wrote: This is why it is in our interest to ensure that Pakistan now gains access to technologies that enable its intercontinental nuclear capability.
<snip>
We can even provide the paint, in this case. I'm thinking the costs to us will be minimal; I mean what are the potential targets of these ICBMs going to do?

+1

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Apr 2013 12:44

Furthermore, we are all soothasians with cockasian genes, and increasingly jeans too... We eat the same food, speak the same language, shit the same shit, same same, equal equal. The argument for providing such technologies to our brethren is tight.

Somebody please show me a loop-hole in this one. No, I'm not talking about that one, or that either, no, not even that one; hmmm, innovative, not those two either although the space in between is vacuuous...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Apr 2013 13:46

shiv saar,

If I may produce an analogy, the relationship between USA and Pakistan is more like a dog's erection in a she-dog. The separation is not so easy as long as the dog has his erection. The she-dog thus immobilizes the dog. Then the she-dog invites her brother, the brother-dog to screw the dog with the erection. The she-dog also ensures that the erection does not ease.

All three dogs are having one hell of a party.

The dog however thinks the she-dog would appreciate "all the love"!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 07 Apr 2013 14:28

Musharraf's nomination papers accepted from third seat

ISLAMABAD: Pervez Musharraf's nomination papers for a parliamentary constituency in the port city of Karachi were rejected today while his papers for another seat in northern Pakistan were accepted by election authorities.

Election officials rejected the former military ruler's papers for parliamentary constituency number 250 in Karachi.

Jamaat-e-Islami leader Niyamatullah Khan, who intends to contest the May 11 polls from the same seat, had yesterday objected to Musharraf's candidature on the ground that he had twice violated and the Constitution and placed judges under house arrest after declaring an emergency in 2007.

The Returning Officer rejected Musharraf's papers for the steps he had taken against members of the judiciary, officials said.

Musharraf's nomination papers for another parliamentary constituency at Chitral in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province were accepted by authorities. The former President enjoys considerable support in Chitral as several development projects were started in the region during his regime.

A man named Syed Tariq Ali has also objected to nomination papers filed by Musharraf for another parliamentary constituency in Islamabad.

Musharraf had filed papers to contest the general election from four parliamentary seats in Karachi, Islamabad, Chitral and Kasur.

Meanwhile, a three-judge bench of the Supreme Court led by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry will take up tomorrow a petition filed by former Rawalpindi High Court Bar Association president Taufiq Asif seeking Musharraf's trial for treason.

Asif's petition was clubbed with two other applications seeking similar action against Musharraf,court officials said.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 07 Apr 2013 15:02

shiv wrote:
JE Menon wrote: This is why it is in our interest to ensure that Pakistan now gains access to technologies that enable its intercontinental nuclear capability.
<snip>
We can even provide the paint, in this case. I'm thinking the costs to us will be minimal; I mean what are the potential targets of these ICBMs going to do?
+1

Not fair
Look back in the forum I have been shouting this from the roof tops since at least 2008 for the same stated reasons.
Actually I stated
India provide ICBM technology to TSP
And since 1998 I have been crooning like village bard of Asterix that
ICBM as International community of brotherhood messenger

International confidence boosting methods

Finally
A ICBM in the front yard of every country and fission bum in the backyard is the best way for international peace and prosperity

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Apr 2013 17:09

JE Menon wrote:Furthermore, we are all soothasians with cockasian genes, and increasingly jeans too... We eat the same food, speak the same language, shit the same shit, same same, equal equal.

We we all are from the same 'pool' onlee..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2013 17:17

Suppiah wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Furthermore, we are all soothasians with cockasian genes, and increasingly jeans too... We eat the same food, speak the same language, shit the same shit, same same, equal equal.
We we all are from the same 'pool' onlee..

Incidentally "pool" in Tamil means the same as the first 4 letters of cockasian. And sooth of course means shit hole.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Apr 2013 17:30

That was the point doc jee...didnt want to make it obvious other than adding the quote marks

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Apr 2013 18:35

Pakistan is "a fake country", and one day will reunite with India along with Bangladesh, Press Council of India chairperson Justice (Retd) Markandey Katju said in Hyderabad on Sunday.

The Idiot Speaks again

Strategically India actually has 2 battles on simultaneously:

1. With an alien Ideology that threatens to make extinct the original cultural ethos of this land.
2. A vast group of Indians who think they are 'rational, educated, erudite' and consider superficial cultural similarities being the resounding reason why a combined India-Pak jhappi will work so well. In addition to these idiots that have been ignored by Paki RAPE last 60 years, we have now a vast section of Paki elites who realize their own house is crumbling. So the Tarek Fatehs and those that start telling other Paki's they are Indians suddenly realize that by combining India-Pak-BD they can restart wet dreaming on Project Mughalistan..and voila we have Idiots like Katju enmasse to hand them victory in a jiffy.

Our strategy has to be to attack both these fronts and weaken them inside outside the next few years.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Apr 2013 18:51

There must be some village that needs a resident idiot. Every other day the utterances of this clown are headlines.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Apr 2013 19:26

Gagan wrote:TTP video threatening mushy
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=752_1364454506

Must watch - looks like TTP is getting quite image savy (as in the western sense) these days - its mujahids are now dressed in battle fatigues instead of the traditional rag tag salwar kameez types . The clean shaven commando training psyops is more akin to a western army than an Islamic army. In addition the auto tune effects to produce slick sounding videos in Umar Media Inc has now been around for a while.

Overall Ill give this video 7 out of 10 with regards to having attributes for attracting overseas Jihadi recruits.

PS: Note the nice British accent in Adnan Rashid's voice - wonder from which Brit Mujahid he picked up english..

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 07 Apr 2013 19:34

Musharraf had filed papers to contest the general election from four parliamentary seats in Karachi, Islamabad, Chitral and Kasur.

Now that his papers in kraachi and islumbad are rejected making it compulsory for him to campaign in KP and maybe Kasur in Pakjab.

It would be curios to see whether he gets nomination from Kasur.
How is KP in terms of greener paki influence ? Does that make him more vulnerable to be cutlet ?
If he doesnt get nomination from Pakjab , it would seem the boys want their old master to meet his 72 soon.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2013 19:36

Suppiah wrote:That was the point doc jee...didnt want to make it obvious other than adding the quote marks

Yes but that should be understood by thousands who do not know Tamil, including Pakitstanis, who are soothasian and cockasian in their gene pool

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Apr 2013 19:37

Shiv is extraordinarily fluent in Tamil too !

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Apr 2013 20:21

arun wrote: ...

New Zealand awarded Davis Cup tie against Pakistan due to unplayable surface in Myanmar

Pakistan were leading 1-0 after Aqeel Khan defeated New Zealand's Artem Sitak 7-5 3-6 6-2 7-5 and Pakistan's Aisam-ul Haq Qureshi was leading in the second singles when Sri Lankan referee Ashita Ajigala stopped the match.

Is this a conspiracy by India and Sri Lanka to defame Pakistan, or is it revenge for the Lahore attacks? In any case, Pakistan should protect its ghairat by refusing to play Sri Lanka, and refusing to play in Sri Lanka, for ever.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Apr 2013 20:22

Anyone following the election comedy in Bakistan?

Mushy got his papers rejected in two constituencies. The current PM got his papers rejected. People are randomly getting their papers rejected left and right. And they want to hold an election within 2 months!!

I think this whole drama is to postpone elections.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Apr 2013 20:25

shiv wrote:
JE Menon wrote: This is why it is in our interest to ensure that Pakistan now gains access to technologies that enable its intercontinental nuclear capability.
<snip>
We can even provide the paint, in this case. I'm thinking the costs to us will be minimal; I mean what are the potential targets of these ICBMs going to do?
+1

Give TSP ICBMs as CBMs. I am loving it.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 07 Apr 2013 20:25

Rajdeep wrote:
Musharraf had filed papers to contest the general election from four parliamentary seats in Karachi, Islamabad, Chitral and Kasur.

Now that his papers in kraachi and islumbad are rejected making it compulsory for him to campaign in KP and maybe Kasur in Pakjab.

It would be curios to see whether he gets nomination from Kasur.
How is KP in terms of greener paki influence ? Does that make him more vulnerable to be cutlet ?
If he doesnt get nomination from Pakjab , it would seem the boys want their old master to meet his 72 soon.

Most likely he will be debarred from elections once treason charges are admitted by SC. Even if he gets nominated from Kasur or Chitral , he would meet his 72 unless Kiyani provides him cover. However Chitral would be somewhat safe bet for him.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2013 20:55

akashganga wrote:
menon s wrote:Not a moment of peace, Oh God, no serenity, no calm. Life is beginning to resemble the world of Islam

Sounds even better in URDU,
"Ek lamha to miley Amn-o-sukoon ka yaa Rab
Zindagi Aalam e Islam hui jaati hai"

The entrapment of Muslims in a forced homgenization project, where culturally disparate Muslims from all corners of the globe
are roped into the UMMAH, by salafi- wahabi elements, is back firing, writes Saeed Naqvi in TFT.

Great article.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 05&page=21
What is he trying to say. At the core of his heart he is upset that ummah has not been able to unite all muslims under one arab culture. He does not question islam but blame lies elsewhere on kafirs. Islam can never unite even muslims by its very nature.

But go to any bharatiya parties. You will see diferences in cultures among people from north or south or east or west. Yet you can see a sense of shared heritage transcending regional cultures. Almost all bharatiyas will take pride in all of 10000 years of history and heritage of subcontinent.

You see, the reason behind the inability of Ummah to homogenize all Muslims is the satanic pull of Kufr things like language, regional identity, caste, food etc.,

How can all the Muslims of the world be the homogenous pure beings without destroying all these disparate languages, identities, castes and food habits etc.,?

So let us destroy them first thus paving for the way for the land of milk and honey.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Apr 2013 20:57

>>Give TSP ICBMs as CBMs. I am loving it.

Indeed, macha. Imagine now, SS Menon asking innocently at a meeting with his American counterpart: "With you guys now issuing a waiver on weapons to Islamabad, who can predict the consequences if, god forbid, the Pakistanis end up with the technology to not even have to paint ICBMs? The way things are going with North Korea these days, with you chaps back-pedalling furiously on that front, who is to say an emboldened young 'un won't decide to give a longer one to the Pakistanis than his father did? After all, Blowall is in the picture too... The new generation can take forward what the previous did to a bigger, faster, longer, thicker, farther scenario"

Hell, even the Paks don't have to know we are the source if that makes them feel better about the whole thing...

It's a net gain. I'm waiting for a rationale why this is not good for us... Think guys, think. I can't think of any, and I've been advocating this shite for a long long time. Spinrao has also been a long-time advocate.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Apr 2013 21:08

^From the mountains of Western Afghanistan they can target cities in South and East India with MIRV capability once they have the tech. That leaves absolutely no corner of India free. Possibly they can decrease range and increase payload for the same targets from NW Pakistan itself. It's not that they don't have missiles presently to reach targets in South and East, but they do have limited payload facilities, no MIRV tech, good possibility of endo/exo atmospheric interception by defense systems. I think wisdom always warns against arming an enemy that is hell bent on ones destruction.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Apr 2013 21:18

According to most of our media and Pakistan's and the "West" - they already can target all corners of India. What has Western Afghanistan mountains got to do with it? They don't need ICBMs to deliver MIRV.

I'm merely talking about the possibility of extending their reach. Wisdom rarely suggests a course of action "always". Plus, do you see any exceptions to this rule other than Pakistan?

As for "good possibility of endo/exo atmospheric interception by defense systems", the Americans and others have it too, and even better quality/tech/design than what we do, apparently.

So the question remains. What, specifically, is the loss for us if Pakistan obtains ICBM capability, say, from China via North Korea? And, as usual, everybody denies the fu(k out of it. Just like they did with the nukes and nodongs.

What goes of my father?