Hyderabad Bomb Blast 2/21/13

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The great fighter of terrorism and a victim of terrorism condoles the deaths:
Pakistan condemns terror attack in India
Pakistan strongly condemns the bomb blasts in Hyderabad, India, causing several deaths and injuries, the foreign ministry said.
Being itself a victim of terrorism, Pakistan fully understands and shares the pain and agony of the people of India. Our prayers and thoughts are with the families of victims of this terrorist attack," reported Xinhua citing a foreign ministry statement.
Now we know it is not done by TSP, only Hindu terror can do this, as TSP too is a victim, it couldn't have done it.
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SSridhar wrote:US condemns Hyderabad bomb blasts; offers assistance in probe - ToI

India should not take the offer of assistance. We still have memories of 1993.
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India should ask them to extradite David Headley to prove their sincerity.
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I was dis pointed the entire secular Brigade did not do it yesterday, that would have pulled the wool on people eyes to realize Samjauta Blasts were indeed a L-E-T operation
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venug wrote:The great fighter of terrorism and a victim of terrorism condoles the deaths:
Pakistan condemns terror attack in India
Now we know it is not done by TSP, only Hindu terror can do this, as TSP too is a victim, it couldn't have done it.
We can predict TSP easily. There is at least one terror attack in Pakistan every single day. Does India or any other country condemn those attacks ? Why does Pakistan rush to do so in India ? Does it think that by doing so, TSP would be absolved of its involvement ?
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ramana wrote:Srikumar, I Remember. The guys were from state Intel police.They didn't have a gun. Being constables they were not issued a gun bit still went to confront the terrorist and got shot.And the bad guys had. Something is going on on DS nagar.
Abids shopping area was pushed aside by DS Nagar in the East (upper middle to lower class) and Punja gutta in the west (middle to upper class) as centers for everything. My main guess is it is high impact area and very close to old city.

A few months ago I saw patrolling of police and good number of traffic police as metro line construction is going on, esp 7 pm is still peak time. Terrorists might have been waiting and picked a lax day.
vasu raya wrote:This is what the net says about the Sai Baba temple in Dilsukhnagar,
"Said to be a replica of the Shirdi shrine, it draws huge number of devotees, specially on Thursdays"
the timing of the attack matches but for the police presence due to the superintendent visit, it could have been the Sai baba temple again; so reasons for originally choosing this temple could be

a) its popularity among Hindu devotees and zero collateral damage since no muslim will be there and any muslim worshipping Sai baba is only a muslim in name
b) security is lax compared to other popular temples and its accessibility from old city
c) and since Sai baba is only followed by a minor portion of Hindus, the backlash from Hindu right wing will be muted

They need to fence this area and ensure that the entry and exits to old city are along monitored routes
As I wrote earlier DS nagar is where we lived. Sai Baba temple is one end of street (near to main road) and our apartment is on other side (hardly four blocks). The temple is highly secured because it was always on hit list. The management is local RSS/VHP types (not officially RSS/VHP). We witnessed its popularity growing day-by-day. People started coming to fulfill their "mannats". Recently they have put vehicular traffic restriction on Thursdays, festivals. These are all by the way narrow lanes with no one ways. Typical-old style-galli based Hyderabad. Police gunmen are always visible and now we will have sandbagged barricade. The government will sure close a lot of shops to create security after this incident. That Temple is too popular and if anything happens to the temple, then Hyd will have to be locked down using Army. Only minor portion follow sai baba is not true at all. In this era of Telugus Sai Baba is probably the most popular and is next to only Balaji.

DS Nagar, LB Nagar and Santosh nagar are all very close to old city. In spite of all the strife related Telangana movement, the real estate though little slow, it is just growing rapidly but not unrealistically. We sold our apartment there for 14lacs in 2004 (we bought it for 6 lacs in 1997). Recently (last week) my in-laws sold one for 20 lac (the one they bought at 9 lac in 2001) in lb nagar. Scores and scores of apartment complexes are being built in those areas. These are not the IT Vity type rip-off areas (where homes are sold for exorbitant prices by rahejas, L&T etc.).

The kujli about these areas will be there for the Old City honchos. If you remember, I wrote that Muslims in Hyd are being boxed into smaller virtual island called as old city. All these areas such as DS nagar, LB Nagar etc. are visible representation of such squeeze. The growth of Popular temples in what they consider as their vicinity adds to the kujli. Added to that we have one of worst governments at center and state too.

I still think, this attack is allowed after knowing very well that something is coming just to put someone in discomfort.
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a_bharat wrote:
SSridhar wrote:US condemns Hyderabad bomb blasts; offers assistance in probe - ToI

India should not take the offer of assistance. We still have memories of 1993.
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India should ask them to extradite David Headley to prove their sincerity.
What is that US can help in these low profile blasts? Local police has better intel and knowledge than even central IB or US. They can do wonderful job in solving these things.
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Oppn, allies slam Shinde's 'disappointing' statement
Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Friday came under sharp attack from Opposition as well as ruling United Progressive Alliance [ Images ] allies Samajwadi Party and Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam [ Images ], which trashed his statement on Hyderabad blasts as "totally disappointing" and "devoid of any concrete and meaningful plan of action".

Shinde made a statement in the House on Thursday's blasts saying government will make all possible efforts to apprehend the perpetrators and masterminds.

The Opposition was, however, dissatisfied with the statement and accused the government of treating the issue of terror in a "very casual" manner. Leading the attack, Bharatiya Janata Partyleader M Venkaiah Naidu said, "Government's policy seems to be condolence for the dead and compensation for those who survived."

Naidu also said that being a member of the House, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should have come to the Rajya Sabha and made a statement taking the issue seriously.

The Rajya Sabha earlier witnessed acrimonious scenes as Opposition members insisted on a debate before the home minister's statement on the issue.After the home minister read out his statement amid noisy scenes, the House witnessed a verbal spat between Shinde and Naidu with the BJP leader telling the minister that had he been serious on the issue, he would have rushed to the spot immediately after the occurrence last night and come to Parliament in morning.

Shinde countered it saying that after monitoring the issue for the whole night, he went to the spot at 4 am drawing angry reactions from Naidu.

"You have not done any favour to us. You have done your duty. The incident had happened at 7 pm yesterday. You should have gone there at 8 pm and come back by the morning. That shows your seriousness," Naidu said, who later staged a walkout for a brief period.


Rejecting the home minister's statement that there was no specific information, the BJP leader asked, "What specific information do you want? Do you think people will give you house number and street number?"
Holding that the home minister's statement had nothing new, Naidu said most of what Shinde had said has already appeared in newspapers.

"Government is clueless...I appeal to the home minister please show some courage, take some strong action, you must exhibit resolve," Naidu urged Shinde assuring the Opposition's backing.

"Unfortunately due to vote bank politics, we are not taking strong steps...political will is lacking. Are we here to debate only?" he said ruing that such statements are made after each blast but incidents continue to happen.Holding that the Hyderabad blasts were not an isolated incident, Naidu drew the government's attention to a "larger conspiracy to destabilise our nation". Naidu said the blast was a "handiwork" of the neighbouring country which was funding such attacks.

He said militant organisations had made a statement about avenging the hanging of Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab and the Delhi Police had said in a report on October 26, 2012 that "some of these people had conducted a recce in Hyderabad including at Dilsukhnagar" which is in public domain and even the home minister will not deny it.

He also said that organsiations like Lashkar-e-Tayiba organised a condolence meet in Pakistan for Afzal Guru in which people from this side too participated. Naidu also rued that even External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid was yet to comment on the condolence meet.

"Unfortunately there are some people from this side also who sympathise with perpetrators of such crime...Human rights are for humans and not for demons," he said.

SP leader Ramgopal Yadav said, "Shinde's statement is very ordinary and totally disappointing. It has no indication about the government's intention and how such incidents can be stopped." "Whenever any incident happens, it is said that the state was already alerted but their (Centre's) information is so vague that not to speak of states, even the Centre's own agencies cannot decipher the inputs," he said.

T Siva (DMK) also found Shinde's statement "unsatisfactory" saying it simply lists the incidents.

Devender Goud (Telugu Desam Party) also trashed Shinde's speech saying, "It does not show that the home minister has taken the matter in all seriousness."

A similar view was echoed by D Raja (Communist Party of India [ Images ]) who said the home minister's speech "could have been more convincing" and asked the government to initiate action for curbing the menace of left-wing terrorism which has taken roots in the recent past.

Both of them demanded more ex-gratia to the victims of the twin blasts and requested government to bear all medical expenses.

Derek O'Brien (Trinamool Congress [ Images ]) dubbed Shinde's statement as "copy-paste", resembling the one made after the 2007 blasts.

Birendra Prasad Baishya (Asom Gana Parishad) suggested Indo-Bangladesh border should be sealed as infiltrators from the other side took Assam as a transit point for carrying out "unlawful" activities.

Bahujan Samaj Party supremo Mayawati [ Images ] said terrorism should be curbed by all means and all political parties cutting across their ideology should rise together to make it happen.

She stressed on the need for greater co-ordination between intelligence agencies of the states and the Centre and asked the government to "go deep into the root" of the problem and take appropriate action to weed out terrorism and their base.

Md Ali Khan (Cong), whose residence is just one and a half km from the place of occurrence, said the perpetrators should not be spared.

D P Tripathi (Nationalist Congress Party) demanded that the House should discuss the issue of terrorism and make laws more stringent.
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Two reports;

Center wanted NCTC but states objected Shinde False flag.

Why doesnt SHinde and his band tell the public how NCTC would have prevented this attack? By his own admission the Center informed AP police on Thursday morning about specific target. And they had the information from October 2012!!!! Dont givet eh standard excuse of need to verify authenticity and all that.

Its the 1% situation. And in this case I think its more:
- Abu Jundal tip-off,
- leading to IM operatives arrested,
- interrogation led to info about DS Nagar and Begum Bazar recce, and
- DS Nagar was already the target of an earleir attack.

So how mnay things do you need to line up to give notification?


Most likely the Police Commissioner privatley visited the temple to see for himself and avoid Hindu supporter tag from the Center.


Zeenews:

5 Sleeper cells involved in the blasts
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Police are investigating an individual - Abdul Wasif Mirza, who got injured in this as well as Mecca Masjid blasts
హైదరాబాద్: రాష్ట్ర రాజధాని హైదరాబాదులోని దిల్‌షుక్‌నగర్‌లో జరిగిన బాంబు పేలుళ్లలో గాయపడి యశోదా ఆస్పత్రిలో చికిత్స పొందుతున్న 23 ఏళ్ల అబ్దుల్ వాసిఫ్ మీర్జాపై పోలీసులు ఆరా తీస్తున్నారు. 2007లో జరిగిన మక్కా మసీదు పేలుళ్లలోనూ గాయపడడం అందుకు ఒక కారణం కాగా, పాతబస్తీ నుంచి దిల్‌షుక్‌నగర్‌కు గురువారం సాయంత్రం చాయ్ తాగడానికి మాత్రమే వచ్చానని చెప్పడం రెండో కారణం. ఇందుకు సంబంధించి మీడియాలో కథనాలు వస్తున్నాయి. అబ్దుల్ వాసిఫ్ మీర్జా 2007 మక్కా మసీదు పేలుళ్లలో గాయపడి ప్రాణాపాయం నుంచి బయటపడ్డాడు. గురువారం జరిగిన పేలుళ్లలో స్వల్పంగా గాయపడ్డాడు. ఒక వ్యక్తి రెండు పేలుళ్లలు జరిగిన చోటు ఉండడంపై పోలీసులకు అనుమానాలు తలెత్తాయి. 2007 తర్వాత అబ్దుల్ ఏం చేశాడనే వివరాలను పోలీసులు సేకరిస్తున్నారు. అలాగే, అబ్దుల్ వ్యక్తిగత వివరాలను కూడా పోలీసులు సేకరిస్తున్నారు. రెండు వేర్వేరు ఘటనల్లో ఒక వ్యక్తి గాయపడడం వల్ల అనుమానాలు రావడం సహజమని, ప్రాథమిక విచారణ జరుపుతున్నామని పోలీసులు అంటున్నారు.

Read more at: http://telugu.oneindia.in/news/2013/02/ ... 12829.html
Police are investigating one of the injured in Dilsukhnagar bomb blasts, 23 yr old Abdul Wasif Mirza. There are two reasons for this. First is that he is injured in Mecca Masjid blasts as well. Second reason is that he claims to have come from old city to Dilsukhnagar just for having tea.

The police are collecting his details and what he has done since 2007. It is interesting that the same person got hurt in two terrorist events.
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In 2007 he would have been a juvenile (23-6= 17 years). Again the convienent 17 years!

Again the blast and the person of interest belie Shinde's claims of Hindu terrorism in the recent Jaipur meet. In retrospect he had to deliver a standard speech to ruse the INC rabble no matter how far from truth the subject is.
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RamaY wrote:Police are investigating an individual - Abdul Wasif Mirza, who got injured in this as well as Mecca Masjid blasts
హైదరాబాద్: రాష్ట్ర రాజధాని హైదరాబాదులోని దిల్‌షుక్‌నగర్‌లో జరిగిన బాంబు పేలుళ్లలో గాయపడి యశోదా ఆస్పత్రిలో చికిత్స పొందుతున్న 23 ఏళ్ల అబ్దుల్ వాసిఫ్ మీర్జాపై పోలీసులు ఆరా తీస్తున్నారు. 2007లో జరిగిన మక్కా మసీదు పేలుళ్లలోనూ గాయపడడం అందుకు ఒక కారణం కాగా, పాతబస్తీ నుంచి దిల్‌షుక్‌నగర్‌కు గురువారం సాయంత్రం చాయ్ తాగడానికి మాత్రమే వచ్చానని చెప్పడం రెండో కారణం. ఇందుకు సంబంధించి మీడియాలో కథనాలు వస్తున్నాయి. అబ్దుల్ వాసిఫ్ మీర్జా 2007 మక్కా మసీదు పేలుళ్లలో గాయపడి ప్రాణాపాయం నుంచి బయటపడ్డాడు. గురువారం జరిగిన పేలుళ్లలో స్వల్పంగా గాయపడ్డాడు. ఒక వ్యక్తి రెండు పేలుళ్లలు జరిగిన చోటు ఉండడంపై పోలీసులకు అనుమానాలు తలెత్తాయి. 2007 తర్వాత అబ్దుల్ ఏం చేశాడనే వివరాలను పోలీసులు సేకరిస్తున్నారు. అలాగే, అబ్దుల్ వ్యక్తిగత వివరాలను కూడా పోలీసులు సేకరిస్తున్నారు. రెండు వేర్వేరు ఘటనల్లో ఒక వ్యక్తి గాయపడడం వల్ల అనుమానాలు రావడం సహజమని, ప్రాథమిక విచారణ జరుపుతున్నామని పోలీసులు అంటున్నారు.

Read more at: http://telugu.oneindia.in/news/2013/02/ ... 12829.html
Police are investigating one of the injured in Dilsukhnagar bomb blasts, 23 yr old Abdul Wasif Mirza. There are two reasons for this. First is that he is injured in Mecca Masjid blasts as well. Second reason is that he claims to have come from old city to Dilsukhnagar just for having tea.

The police are collecting his details and what he has done since 2007. It is interesting that the same person got hurt in two terrorist events.
Congress agencies may pull confession to rub this as Hindu terror plot. Aseemananda better get ready :twisted:
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I want to say it the third time, a national party is involved. The politics of blame is usual, but center seems to be washing its hands off. Fishy.

Wow, I am impressed. Authorities keep track of who has been injured and were able to connect Mirza from 2007 blast and now? 6 years. Imagine the database and ability to connect such dots. Kudos.
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shiv wrote:
lakshmikanth wrote: Now that I think of it, that could be a convenient position for a "secular" to take, since if an Islamic connection is indeed proven the secular worthies can claim plausible deniablity ("Police messed up the investigation, how can we now conclusively prove it was IM, and such" ).
Precisely.

For a change the discussion on TV last night followed a route that pointed out how investigative agencies are either being used by politicians for election purposes, or investigations are being communalized. Examples were given of Dogvijay Singh speaking up for a terrorist and allowing a police officer to be killed in the Badla encounter, and the recent blaming of Hindu terrorism for no reason at all.

Actually its is not just congress - the state governments too and the BJP are guilty of not allowing investigative agencies and a national level anti-terror apparatus to work.

For the last two days I was surprised by an unusual level of security in Bangalore over and beyond what would be expected for 'bandh"days. I now realize that there was a countrywide alert. In fact There were terror alerts for cities three days ago, two days ago , and yesterday - the day of the blasts. But because the states have put a hold on a national terror authority fearing that state level control over political intel and police will be lost. The corrupt ba$tards. A central terror warning need not be acted upon by a state. it is possible that Andhra Pradesh did not act upon the intel in a way that could have thwarted the terror strike. But it's not just Congress. State governments want control over the police especially at election time. So the rot is not just Congress. I say this because this is regularly missed on BRF. Many seem to think that removing Congress will do the trick. It will not. The rot is widespread.

Shivji,

There are so many things are happening in AP at the same time.

For a moment let us assume these blasts did not happen.

In such scenario, the TRS planned and announced to start a "Sadak Bandh" (closed down roads) especially the routes that connect T-Area with rest of Andhra Pradesh, Starting today.And this specific road is the national highway to Vijayawada, a major commercial and public transport route. All the busses that connect coastal Andhra must go thru this road.

And there is the continuous threat to KKR, the INC CM, from internal enemies and their vicious plans.

TDP head CBN as well as YSRCP leader Sharmila (YSJ's sister) are on Padayatra.

Congress govt just announced village panchayat elections to be held in 90days.

Asaduddin Owaisi got his bail just a couple of days ago and KKR has to put focus on this Owaisi brothers to find out what their next steps are.

And so on...

All these distractions take most of the intelligence resources the state govt has at its disposal. No wonder AP govt cannot act on anything since 2009. Congress leadership kept this state in suspended animation as it is not able to find a correct replacement for YSR, who can give confidence of political fortunes, provide ~10k crore funds every year, continue the EJ project and so on...

This will continue until 2014/15, by which I hope will decide the following issues...
1. T-state or not
2. CBN or not
3. YSRCP or not
4. TRS or not

We will reach a new equilibrium after 2015 so the key actors get their final positions (power/merging/death) and the state gets to chart in a new path, whatever that may be. It could be a path that makes Hyd a UT, thus pushing it strongly into MIM fold due to coalition politics.
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Renuka Chodwry is having a huge drama session on Times Now with Arnab.
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Before I forget,

a big Kudos to AP Chief Minister Sri K Kiran Kumar Reddy and AP Police Department for handling the situation very well.
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Sushupti wrote:Image
Is this the third suspect's mugshot released by the NIA?
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shiv wrote:
Sushupti wrote: Is this the third suspect's mugshot released by the NIA?
Super Model for Dhimmi face ?

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I cant say anything but express my deepest pain and sorrow for all those maimed by this senseless barbarism.One hopes that this will be the last such monstrosity before the incarnation of Maa Kali to root out this evil atleast in our times.

I agree with Hakim Sahib that most of our political parties are ch856iyas.They need to get their act together on NCTC or NIA or whatever.The Con party has to be perhaps banned in its present shape.
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SwamyG wrote:I want to say it the third time, a national party is involved. The politics of blame is usual, but center seems to be washing its hands off. Fishy.

Wow, I am impressed. Authorities keep track of who has been injured and were able to connect Mirza from 2007 blast and now? 6 years. Imagine the database and ability to connect such dots. Kudos.
I told you above. If given a chance AP police will wipe out the sleeper cell in less than a month. Naxalism is all rooted from AP but hardly any naxal violence in the state.

They have all the intel and they do monitor a lot. The problem here is all those folks will belong to just one religious community and no political party with muslim vote bank will exist worth its salt. If someone does the needed stuff I will take a bet that they will brand him/her as "Modi". MIM and Congress will not survive in the region for sure. During TDP regime there was no non-sense because they control but not "wipe out". What is needed is a wipe-out of the sleeper cells and not asking them to sleep when wanted and rise when needed.

Everyone forgets except the victims before this thread reaches 15th page. We have seen this over a decade now. If you are surviving in this world it is sheer luck and God's will otherwise you will be part of victims. This is the state of the union of India.
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Hyderabad blasts: How warnings about ammonium nitrate by the former union secretary were ignored

http://www.moneylife.in/article/hyderab ... bc.twitter
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 628327.cms I would not be surprised if news like these (with sob stories of muslims) are beginning of another round of illusionary saffron link,
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The linking of Aadhar program based bio-metrics to gas connection has got many muslim women registering however the men are not netted. They should also link it to cell phone purchases.

The govts would have to invest in mobile drives to collect the bio-metrics at Mosques, Temples, Colleges, madrassas, tourist centers, courts, police stations, jails, hospitals, airports, banks and also ensure that Old city and other ghettos are covered entirely. Delhi govt is doing the right thing by linking the biometric program to accessing govt. services

Overlay this info with social networking sites

Added Later: include meat shop licenses.

btw, the mobile biometric equipment can help ID a person at a later time on the spot helping law enforcement regardless of state boundaries
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How costly was this error?
Exactly a year and one month back there was a slip up by the Maharashtra ATS and this continues to hurt the Indian security establishment really very badly. Yasin Bhatkal, Tabrez and Waqas are the primary suspects in the Hyderabad blasts and all these persons were staying under one roof and it was just a matter of minutes before the police could lay their hands on them did they manage to slip out.

After the 13/7 blasts a major hunt was launched for Yasin, Tabrez and Waqas. In fact it was the Delhi police which had tipped off the Maharashtra ATS regarding their whereabouts.

Yasin, Tabrez and Waqas who plotted the 13/7 blasts had rented out an apartment in Byculla. During this period they met near a gym at Byculla are said to have planned the operation. They decided to carry out attacks at Kabootar Khana and Zaveri Bazaar and were successful in implementing the plan.

As per the tip off provided to the Maharashtra ATS they were to return to their apartment 15 days after the blasts to collect their security deposit. This was the information that was provided to the IB and the Delhi police by a person called Naquee, an informer.

However the Maharashtra ATS decided to pick up Naquee mistaking him to be Yasin Bhatkal. The arrest of Naquee spread like wild fire and this in turn tipped off Yasin and the two others who decided not to return to Byculla and collect their security deposit.
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Once the biometric program coverage reaches above 80%, it is possible to record all criminal history allowing background checks, and aam aadmi can avail this service before renting, the Congress is desperate to complete the bio-metric program before elections, the silver lining
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This might be alarmist,

Why ammonium nitrate is easily available to terrorists
It has been a matter of concern for the investigating agencies as they have found that ammonium nitrate has been used in every blast case in the recent past. Although the police have arrested several persons they have not been able to trace the origin of the chemical in even a single case.
The police say that a large quantity of ammonium nitrate has gone missing since the past four years. At an average, there has been no account for nearly 16,000 tonnes of ammonium nitrate in the past four years.

The study on ammonium nitrate has found that either there has been theft or spillage which has left such a huge quantity of the chemical unaccounted.
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shiv wrote:Is this the third suspect's mugshot released by the NIA?
Likely. He looks like he is comprised of "sleeper" cells
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one of India's biggest intelligence botch-ups
The expose comes as one of India's biggest intelligence botch-ups as Bhatkal has emerged as the primary suspect in not just the latest Hyderabad blasts , but is also the key accused in Pune's German Bakery blast three years ago and a year-and-a-half later in Delhi.

The Kolkata Police had arrested Bhatkal alias Ahmed Siddibappa when they busted a fake currency racket. However, Bhatkal identified himself as Mohammed Ashraf from Darbhanga district in Bihar.

He told police that he was waiting for a consignment of fake currencies from Bangladesh and was able to convince them. When the consignment did not arrive, the police booked Bhatkal for theft and sent him to Kolkata's Alipore Jail.

The Kolkata Police failed to confirm Bhatkal's real identity even as he was lodged in jail for a month. However, they were left kicking themselves after they realised their mistake after surveying the footage from German Bakery blast, which took place on February 13, 2010 and claimed 17 lives.

The Pune blast took place hardly a month after Bhatkal's release from the Kolkata prison. As per the footage, Bhatkal himself planted a bomb that blew up the popular eatery.

Further confirmation of the Kolkata Police's blunder came from IM operative Mohammed Salman during his interrogation in Delhi Police's custody.

Bhatkal allegedly conspired the blast outside the Delhi High Court on September 7, 2011 in which 12 people were killed.

The man responsible for hundreds of deaths in India slipped through India's hands just because the Kolkata Police had no relevant details about Bhatkal. Clearly, lack of coordination between Centre and states is responsible for the failure, which is still costing India dear.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 51366.html
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Looks like a recon & damage assessment operative in the guise of a fruit vendor, IM's own Headley

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_hyderabad-blasts-explosive-were-laced-with-splinters_1803224
The person identified as Abdul Wahed was injured during the twin blasts at Dilsukhnagar and getting treated at a private hospital in Hyderabad. According to sources, he was also among the injured during the bomb blast at Mecca Masjid in 2007.

Though for now the investigators would believe that the person getting injured in two bomb blasts as a mere coincidence, the “suspect” has been put through several rounds of questioning. The sources have cautioned that it would be jumping the gun to completely suspect the person.

However, three different teams of the police have carried out separate investigations on this person. Interestingly, it is said that there is no similarity in the information that was gathered from the person, his family members and an independent survey of other acquaintances of the person.

The investigators turned suspicious with the person suffering injuries on his back while most of the victims have injuries on their faces or the frontal parts of the body. The officials are refusing to comment on the person at this point. “He is the resident of Kalapathar in Old City. However, he could not give any details on his presence in Dilsukhnagar except saying he was having tea when the blast took place,” the source said.
I am sure the sympathizers will come up with some other explanation for this
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^ one Telugu news paper says he is working in a shop near the blast site.

It is interesting the news houses cannot give same story in a matter of such importance.
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Here is an apologist or spin article on the same guy,

Twice unlucky: Mecca Masjid victim among injured
Twenty-five-year old, who lost a leg in the 2007 attack, suffered severe spine injuries in Wednesday’s blast that ripped through Hyderabad’s Dilsukh Nagar. Vicky Nanjappa reports

Terror is back to haunt Abdul Wasif Mirza. He lost his leg in the 2007 Mecca Masjid blast (which killed 17 people) and in Wednesday’s blast at Hyderabad’s Dilsukh Nagar he was among the 119 injured. (Sixteen people were killed.)

Thursday was like any regular day for the 25-year-old -- he was selling tee-shirts on the pavement near the bus stand in the busy market place when the bomb went off injuring his back.
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vasu raya wrote:This might be alarmist,

Why ammonium nitrate is easily available to terrorists
This is not alrmist. This has been known. One of the reasons is that we are importing this chemical in bulk, instead of being bagged. In December last year, I posted this in the Internal Security thread.

Excerpts from that
India imports a sizable amount of this explosive for use in its mines, but a portion goes missing.The Visakhapatnam Port, on the east coast, imports this material; it handled 3.4 lakh tonnes in 2011-12. But the chemical is imported unbagged, a practice that leaves ample scope for spillage, and possibly theft. . . . However, the fact remains that theft during the process of handling is not difficult as bagging is done by 50-100 men at a time. Thereafter, the bags are sent to explosive manufacturers.

The official, however, admitted that monitoring the warehouses, where the material is stocked, is a matter of concern. Recently, the Port Trust did not allow private operators to store it on the port premises.

Yet, about 3,500 tonnes of the 3.5 lakh tonnes imported annually goes missing, and it is attributed to spillage.
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The poor unfortunate victims.Time and time again like the unfortunates at VT/CST on 26/11 ,come from the most humble strata of society.It is they who suffer the most physically -at the hands of the terrorists,but more painful are the comments and attitude of those supposed to protect them! To the VVIPs of India,they are mere statistics and votebanks,who have to be massaged or beaten into voting for them every election,to perpetuate their hold on power.That is the real tragedy.
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Thanks SSridhar, there was also a mention by Ramana that the ANFO can be converted into variant that cannot be used for bomb-making purposes. Quick expiry ones would be useful as well so long term stocking can be avoided even if it impacts logistics.

With such large single source as Vizag port, bagging can be mechanized along with doping for tracking purposes, I don't understand why they want to continue using large nos of labor for this.
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Source: today's Andhrajyothy paper
Venkaiah Naidu: Shinde's response is not sufficient.

Shinde: I went there early morning at 4AM. What else you want me to do?

Venkaiah Naidu: You are not doing us any favor. It is your duty. If you started at 7PM as soon as the blasts happened, you would have been there by 8PM and could have returned to Delhi same night.
This is the quality of Home Ministers INC can come up with. Remember the jokers called Shivaraj Patil and P Chidambaram?
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RamaY wrote:Source: today's Andhrajyothy paper
Venkaiah Naidu: Shinde's response is not sufficient.

Shinde: I went there early morning at 4AM. What else you want me to do?

Venkaiah Naidu: You are not doing us any favor. It is your duty. If you started at 7PM as soon as the blasts happened, you would have been there by 8PM and could have returned to Delhi same night.
This is the quality of Home Ministers INC can come up with. Remember the jokers called Shivaraj Patil and P Chidambaram?
The bolded part is the real problem. They act as though they are doing the people a big favor, forgetting or outright ignoring the fact that the office they hold requires them to be responsive in emergencies. During Mumbai attacks, one local minister (Patil?) who said: I went to the site of one attack and the terrorists had left that, then I went to another attack and they had gone.......what I can do? I find it amazing that they were re-elected even after all that. (One thing though: in the immediate 1-2 hours after any incident, the injured people are being transported to hospitals and the police is busy with ambulances, conducting investigations, doing crowd control etc. The presence of any minister, from center or state, will take police resources away from the task at hand and it is best if politicians did not come there immediately after any incident, and let the police and medical people do their work).
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Three things

Currently there are two main theories:

- Paki strike using IM 'sleeper cells": Abu Jundal, interrogation of two miscreants in Oct 2012, bicycle bombs, Sai Baba temple, MMS statements after beheading, Afzal Gand** hanging, Kasab hanging, Hafiz Suar weeping, and so on and so forth
- Local Hyderabad Muslims from Old City: MIM disaffection with Kiran Kumar Reddy, campaign to oust him, Mahajan Hospital land issue, Owasi family's truculence, Charminar temple issue, some of the blast victims curious connection to Old City an so and so forth.

Which one is it? we need to gather facts from the public domain for and against each theory.

Third, any one did some energy calcs to figure size of tiffin box device using ANFO and how would it be configured? Need some real experts or chaiwalas for this.

Regardless there were atleast five-six people involved:
- device assembler
- two to park the bicycles
- two to watch the bicyles from being stolen
- one to cooridinate the sites to tip off the watcher in case the first one was defused.


Add
- recce guys?
- bicycle thiefs or procurers?
- masala raw materials procurers? : cell phones, ANFO, innocuous tiffin boxes, packaging so on
- Hosts for wandering device makers?

In all this the device maker needs to be found and dispatched as the org tree collapses with that. And such people are new to area.


So these kind of blasts need organization and infrastructure.

So don't buy the nonsense of Shinde.
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Source: Today's Andhrajyothy Paper
Sayyed Maqbul

Indian Mujahideen terrorist. Expert in making bombs and IEDs. He also trained many IM members. Currently in Tihar jail. He conducted recce in Dilsukhnagar. He planned to make an attack there. But got arrested in October.

Central intelligence agencies think that he must have prepared the bombs used in this attack or must have trained the bomb makers.

Bodhan (AP) police filed an FIR against Maqbul in the murder of a Krishnamurthy in 1999. Maqbul joined MIM immediately after this and got deployed as party district president of MIM in Dharmabad dist, Maharashtra.

Later his crime was proven by Nizamabad police in that 1999 murder and he got life sentence in that murder case. But the then govt in 2009 (was it YSR Govt? I remember there was some BJP + media noise about such scenarios) recommended for term reduction on "Good Behavior". He was released in October, 2009.

Later Maqbul was key culprit in Hyderabad, Pune, Dharmabad terrorist attacks. He helped the recce in Dilsukhnagar, Begum Bazar (Ramanaji, this is your third location) and Abids.

All these details came out when Delhi police interrogated the four IM members they arrested in October 2012. They came to know that he was hiding in Hyderabad. Delhi police and NIA came to hyderabad and arrested him and took him to Delhi. These details were announced on October 26, 2012 by Delhi police. This information was given to AP police as well.

But AP police and intelligence dept failed to follow-up on these details and prevent current bomb blasts.

Maqbul has complete understanding of all sleeper cells in Hyderabad. He also revealed that he had good contacts with the group that planned to conduct (and was arrested) suicide attacks on Buddhist centers in Budhhagaya, Bihar as a revenge to Burma attacks on muslims.

The DS Nagar, Abids, Begum bazar recce was conducted as per Riyaj Bhatkal's directions.

He taught the bomb making procedure to Asad and Irphan using Urea, Diesel and Explosives in Asad Farm House in Aurangabad.

Imran introduced Maqbul to Bhatkal brothers in last April. On August 1st, before Pune bombing, they all (Maqbul, Imran, Asad and Irfan) discussed the plan of Budhhagaya attacks. They conducted Pune bombing as per Bhatkals' directions.

Maqbul is from Nanded, Maharashtra. He got into criminal world thru Azam Ghauri (got encountered in 2000). Azam, Maqbul and Roshan Beg started the IMMM (Indian Muslim Muhammedin Mujahidin) in Machiryal in 1999. He learned bomb making from Azam Ghauri.

When they were making a bomb in Azam's house it exploded. A case was registered against them (The police had to wait till Maqbul killed Krishnamurthi in order to arrest him. This is what happens when there is no POTA like law.. After that 1999 murder of Krishnamurthi, Maqbul shot killed another person named Devender, alleging that he tried to take over some Masjid land (Naturally this is against secularism so was not followed up?). Later he killed the jewelry shop owner in Afjal Gunj, Mahavir Prasad, when he tried to rob that shop.

Maqbul is very close to Abdul Rauf of MIM (This is the network YSR encouraged during his tenure. This is the level of support they got from YSR. People should remember how Rashid Ali, minister in YSR govt, demanded termination of jail term to another terrorist from the famous suicide attack on police control room. That is why MIM went out of congress to make a covert alliance with YSRCP now.). Abdul Rauf and Nasiruddin were culprits in Hiren Pandya murder case. Abdul Rauf was made the MIM district head of Dharmabad dist, Maharashtra(Atriji - What is the significance of this district? What are the associated networks?).
Ramana garu, now see how all this fits in to the Organization Structure I explained. Looks like I am able to do this just by thinking logically. And our intelligence department couldnt figure out. OR it knew all along but is not allowed to act by successive Congress Govts in state and center.

No wonder Shinde and Congress Party had to spend all their time searching for Saffron Terrror.
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like looking for black cat in dark room which was not there.

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Suppose Maqbool taught other MIM activists and they decided to stage an attack with plausible deniability as Shinde is on Hindu terror and IB is on IM error (pun intended), to destabilize KKR govt? How does that compute?

Or is IB telling Andhra Joyti that IM has MIM cadre as sleeping jihadis?
This is bigger problem.
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Rji...

This is my extempore.... I could be wrong...

The KKR angle comes from the dimension of a MiM+YSRCP alliance. Please note YSJ will not come out of jail till state elections are over and his actual power is determined. That is why YSRCP is asking TDP to put a no-confidence motion because YSRCP doesn't have numbers on its own and MLAs do not want to come out of INC till elections are declared and MLA seats are rejected. There was a thought that MIM coming out will lead KKR govt fall down but like in center, the state govt too is standing up based on some number games.

So it is in YSRCP's interest that elections are held ASAP, so the momentum is used for higher seats and YSJ is out. Please note that the longer YSJ is in the jail the more he will lose because the benamis can jump the ship.

P.S: Pls note that we don't have a minority report.
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ramana wrote: Third, any one did some energy calcs to figure size of tiffin box device using ANFO and how would it be configured? Need some real experts or chaiwalas for this.
On the same Sai temple lane, you can find steel stores with tiffin boxes 5''x3''diameter to 4'x2.5'diameter (ie. in ft). Terrorist Abdul can buy tiffin box to his requirement and stuff his materials in it and park his bicycle in front of Anand Tiffin Center (how convenient) and blow it.
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