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Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby UlanBatori » 27 May 2017 07:48

Very disappointing that the Paki Connection has not come out yet for this latest soosai bum.


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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Yagnasri » 27 May 2017 14:28

From the reports, that fellows father has jihadi links so was his brother. Appearntly UK and other NATO powers allowed people with jihadi background to visit Libiya and Syria freely so that they can provide foot soliders to Islamic state. Hundereds are these people including this fellow was under watch ( whatever that means) which is imposible to keep and now this happens.

The response is pathetic and worst than what we get in India. We are strong, we are united, we will win, they are looser ( the new one by Golder Monkey) we shall come together and other rubbish is being said without actually questioning the security and other steps that allowed this thing to happen.

Losing people like that needed to be accepted as new normal by the Western citizens? I think that is what the deep state and the globalist cabal has decided.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Lalmohan » 27 May 2017 18:00

isn't it a simple case of good jehadi turned into bad jehadi...?
(moral of the story, don't encourage any jehadi full stop)

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 27 May 2017 19:42

Such is the fear of truth coming out in British media that any one questioning their foreign policy is bull dozed. Latest is leftist Corbyn who said UK foreign policy in Libya is behind such attacks and BBC, Sky news went after him. So what if he is a leftist.
Family tree of this jihadi is full of miscellaneous jihadis and several of his cousins are among 13 arrested so far.
His rented flat strongly smelled of chemical and for many days in past he kept power switched off in the flat, all this was noted by neighbours but none dared to report this to police who may prosecute those filing complain in name of racial profiling..
Wheel has come full circle, those preaching world on how to behave as democracy are scratching head regarding how to deal with terror menace when they have 1000s of suspects amongs them and answer is not easy!
Police is stretched and money is short.. to keep eye on one suspect it takes 50 people and huge resources which UK doesn;t have.
Lets see if UK has learnt the lesson of don;t feed the devil the hard way!

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby darshan » 27 May 2017 21:47

Reminds me of Tulsi Gabbard in US. Question foreign policy and jihad and get bulldozed.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Yagnasri » 27 May 2017 22:05

She could not be bulldozed yet as she is a Vet and only a small player. This fellow is head of Labour. Nigel Faraz was attacked when he called the lies about Russia and Putin.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Singha » 27 May 2017 22:17

City of london profits big from being the custodian and handler of arab money parked in west.

Uk hotel , luxury goods and prostitution industries get huge spending from gcc arabi elites every summer

Uk sells huge weapons deals to gcc.

So.alt facts must all be fitted around this cold reality. Blaming the sauds is unthinkable .

What i cannot model is why uk is so supportive of tsp? No money to invest in london, no money to buy huge arms....why is a mystery. Uk does not need tsp as a bridge to talk to peking..it gubos directly. Indians bring far more money into uk than tsp will.

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Postby fanne » 27 May 2017 22:23

TSP is to tie down India, and unbound India may come knocking and question them about colonial period, its excess and queen forbid asks for compensation (or seek retribution by other means). This in short drives UK policy and this is why it influences other western player (mainly US) in these ways. US wants India for soul conversion, a converted India will be totally servile to US and would serve all kinds of FP objective (China, gulf)

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 27 May 2017 22:35

its not that difficult imho.. UK is poodle of US. Doesn;t have much foreign policy of own, follows what US does. US needs Pk for its geographical advantage in past Pk has GUBOed over and over to US and handed over fighters (who else would agree to fight than brainless idiots in name of religion) to defeat Russian's interest. There is sense of gratitude and US still thinks Pk will be handy in helping Saudi (green tick), Sunni interests.
Both US & UK's foreign policy in Middle East revolve around supporting Wahabism and Sunni ideology for oil, selling weapons, maintaining interests etc.
US maintains interest in Pk therefore, and UK hopes to remain relevant in world politics (and punch over weight) piggybacking US.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby darshan » 27 May 2017 22:46

Old relationships and agendas die hard. Probably takes 2 to 3 generations to see policy shifts. Many policies are carried on just due to the fear of change and unknowns. Lot of policymakers are just focused on the next ladder step to climb to and short term focused rather than long term. Visionaries that can change the course of a ship are always in short supply everywhere.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby eklavya » 28 May 2017 01:42

https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-420 ... f963e998b2

Terrorism: Libya’s civil war comes home to Manchester

Salman Abedi was 16 when he first visited Libya, the country his parents had fled in 1993 to escape persecution under Muammer Gaddafi. But this was no ordinary coming-of-age trip for Abedi. Once there, he reunited with his father, who had left his family in Manchester three years earlier to aid the revolution against Gaddafi. And, according to friends of the family, members of the Libyan community in Manchester and sources in Libya, Abedi had come to fight.

He was not alone. It was 2011, and dozens of other Mancunians were already there. Mustafa Graf, the imam of the Didsbury mosque, the centre of the Libyan community in south Manchester, had also travelled back to Libya to help topple Gaddafi. Manchester became a fundraising centre for their war effort. Preachers travelled between the two countries, encouraging the fight, invariably couching it in terms of jihad.

This week, the 22-year-old Abedi detonated a rucksack filled with tricyclic acetone peroxide, bolts and nails, murdering 22 others and maiming dozens more, many of them children and young adults, in the worst terror attack to strike the UK since the 7/7 London bombings 12 years earlier. The attack on the Manchester Arena cast a spotlight on the city and its community of Libyan exiles, dozens of whom have gone to fight in Libya in recent years with Islamist militias.


Mustafa Graf, sixth left, the imam of Didsbury mosque, faces reporters on Wednesday
Throughout the years of Gaddafi rule in Libya, Manchester was a magnet for Libyan exiles like the Abedis. The city’s Libyan community, one of the largest outside Libya, is tightly knit. “Everyone knows everyone,” says one Libyan living in the city.

Britain’s intelligence agencies knew the community well, too, and had longstanding dealings with its Islamist contingent. But the attack raises serious questions over their assessment of it. MI5, the UK’s domestic intelligence agency, facilitated the travel of many Islamist Mancunians back to Libya.

Until recently, the UK’s spymasters have not seen the community as a particular threat. Libyan Islamists in Manchester, many believed, were too focused on waging a national jihad in their homeland to be a threat to the UK. Since the beginning of the Syrian civil war and the spate of attacks in France, Belgium and Germany, anti-terror work in the UK and Europe has focused on young returnees from Syria.

Security officials have repeatedly sketched out the dangerous dynamics the Syrian crisis has unleashed: a cohort of young Britons who will be brutalised by the conflict, skilled in the trade and tools of war, connected to transnational networks of fellow fighters by powerful bonds of kinship and shared suffering.

It is a prognosis that holds true for the civil war in Libya. The story of Salman Abedi is one of a parallel, overlooked jihad to that in Syria.

“These are fundamentally questions of identity. What are the local grievances that would lead someone to blow up a load of young people at a concert with nails and bolts? Manchester isn’t the city that made those grievances fester and grow,” says Richard Barrett, former director of global counter terrorism operations at MI6. “It’s the ability of groups like Isis to wrap up your individual and local anxieties and grievances into this overall huge picture — to make you a somebody.”


© AP
Throughout Abedi’s childhood in Manchester, Libya was ever-present. The vast majority of Libyans in the city are well integrated, but some cliques remain staunchly nationalist, still affected by the brutal treatment at the hands of Gaddafi’s regime that prompted many families to flee. Islamist views — the cause of that persecution — often shade into such nationalism.

Ramadan Abedi, Salman’s father, was a member of the Libyan nationalist-
Islamist nexus in Manchester. By some accounts, he was a senior member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, the liberation movement that was the core of anti-Gaddafi Salafism. His sons grew up with tales of the injustices inflicted on devout Muslims in Libya.

When Salman was 13, his father returned to Libya as part of a deal brokered between the Gaddafi regime — then keen to rehabilitate itself on the global stage — and émigré Islamists. It was an uneasy rapprochement, and one in which the UK’s intelligence agencies were deeply involved, as they sought to mine information from both sides to advance the war on terror.

Three years later, in 2011, the uneasy settlement in Libya had broken apart in the wake of the Arab uprisings, and the country was at war. It was then that Salman and his father were reunited.


Tripoli frees members of the Libya Islamic Fighting Group in 2008 © AFP
The reunion took place against a backdrop of mounting western concern over Libya. As Gaddafi’s repression grew bloodier, Britain and France led a push for military intervention. The UK’s military role in the Nato-led coalition that ousted the regime is well documented. Less well covered is the degree to which it facilitated the movement of anti-Gaddafi Islamists from Britain. Dozens of émigrés who had fled Gaddafi for Manchester returned to fight him.

In Libya, many connected with Islamist militias, the most capable anti-Gaddafi forces, and swelled their ranks.

Bilal Bettammer, a Libyan student and social activist in the revolution, now a lawyer in Canada, recalls the influx.

“I’d say of the more hardline groups, 60 or 70 per cent of their fighters in the beginning were from abroad. In 2011 we noticed a big influence from Manchester. There were lots of them in Derna. There were Libyan families here cashing British welfare cheques. Those went a long way in dinar.”

Mr Bettammer recalls watching a British preacher in Libya. “We have to choose sharia and reject secularism, he was saying. He was from Manchester, talking about stories of his life there. About the need to convert people. It was all the usual rhetoric but, in Libya, it had a violent meaning.”

Mr Bettammer says he and other secularist campaigners tried to warn the British ambassador to Libya at the time about the number of Britons and their radical views but were rebuffed. The UK, he says, wanted to encourage them instead because it viewed the Islamist groups as a more viable anti-Gaddafi alternative to native secularists.


Many in Manchester's Libyan community opposed the country's former leader Muammar Gaddafi and returned to help topple his regime in 2011 © Reuters
Libyans dubbed the ranks of British Islamists “double shafras” — shafra is the Arabic word for a SIM card. It is a telling metaphor for the degree to which the fighters easily straddled two worlds. Back in Manchester, the phenomenon was well known in the Libyan community. “I think everyone knows someone who went,” a local housewife says.

But within the Libyan foreign fighter movement another divide would emerge, as younger fighters became more radicalised.

Akram Ramadan, a Libyan who lives upstairs from one of the flats in Manchester’s Whalley Range neighbourhood that was raided in the wake of the attack, says a “lack of family control” led many of the younger Mancunian fighters towards violent anti-western jihadism. Mr Ramadan fought against Gaddafi in the revolution and saw its effects on the sons of Manchester’s Libyan fighters.

“They’re not accepted in any society — this society or that society over there,” Mr Ramadan says. “Here, they look foreign. There, they sound foreign. There’s no acceptance of them or appreciation for what they did.

“It happened to a lot of kids. They hung about together and played football together. Some of them went into drugs. Some of them got their heads down and went into study. Some were easy picking for the terrorists.”

Even before Abedi’s atrocity, there was evidence of the problem.

Last year, Abdelraouf Abdallah, who had fought in Libya, was jailed for terrorism offences. Police said he had become one of Isis’s most prolific recruiters in the UK. He was well known to the Abedi family. After a bullet in his spine left him wheelchair-bound in 2012, Abedi’s brother Ramadan spent time at Abdallah’s bedside in Tripoli.

It is still far from clear when or how Salman Abedi fell in with Isis — or even if he did. Isis has claimed him as a member, but the group’s messaging has been uncharacteristically confused.

UK security officials are treading carefully. The connections between the Abedis and Islamist networks in Libya are firmly established, says one western diplomat based in Tripoli. But the interactions between those networks and Isis is still unclear.

In some ways, the distinctions as to which group a terrorist like Abedi took directions from are artificial, says Raffaello Pantucci, international director at the think-tank RUSI. “Before you may have had these specific networks, but really the key point now is that, certainly in the UK context, it’s all the same pool of people — the same radical community that these extremist groups’ attack planners go fishing in.”

Homegrown terrorists like Abedi, Mr Pantucci says, are less likely to make doctrinaire distinctions about the groups they are affiliated with than the senior figures in those groups directing them. “These kids go to a war zone populated by Islamists, then they come back to the UK, they know bombs, they know how to make bullets,” says Mr Bettammer, the former activist. “[Salman Abedi] was in Libya fighting other Muslims. What do you think he’s going to do when he’s back in the UK?”

Additional reporting by Robert Wright and Andrew Bounds in Manchester, Heba Saleh in Cairo and Erika Solomon in Gaziantep

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Avtar Singh » 28 May 2017 04:05

watch from 12.30, wests imperial strategy of divide and ruin

https://www.rt.com/shows/sputnik/389926 ... es-speaks/

for ASEs (Anlgo Saxon Elites) colonialism is alive and well..... pakistan plays its part vis a vis India

what the "THE THE" band guy says is also interesting, but the second part is a must watch..
India needs to be en garde and ever vigilant for east india mk2 via..
sh#itty of london, wall st, banksters and sundry corporates peddling debt mongering..
SillyCons Valley, FarceBook, Shamazon and Poohgle all part of the same game

It is funny, having run out of johnny foreigners to prey on the ASEs having starting eating their own..
working class, middle class etc...
a new wealthy India would make a juicy target

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 28 May 2017 04:21

eklavya wrote:https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2]“I’d say of the more hardline groups, 60 or 70 per cent of their fighters in the beginning were from abroad. In 2011 we noticed a big influence from Manchester. There were lots of them in Derna. There were Libyan families here cashing British welfare cheques. Those went a long way in dinar.”

Mr Bettammer recalls watching a British preacher in Libya. “We have to choose sharia and reject secularism, he was saying. He was from Manchester, talking about stories of his life there. About the need to convert people. It was all the usual rhetoric but, in Libya, it had a violent meaning.”

Mr Bettammer says he and other secularist campaigners tried to warn the British ambassador to Libya at the time about the number of Britons and their radical views but were rebuffed. The UK, he says, wanted to encourage them instead because it viewed the Islamist groups as a more viable anti-Gaddafi alternative to native secularists
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very good read thanks: Bhasmasur turning on creators!

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby UlanBatori » 28 May 2017 17:07

Heeeeeeeere it comes!!

The building was raided by special forces at lunchtime on Wednesday and specialist forensics teams and bomb squad operatives were still at the building on Thursday. Sources believe Abedi may have used the £75 a night apartment to put all the components of the device together, before heading off late on Monday evening to make his way to the Manchester Arena where he killed 22 people. The use of two addresses to assemble the device was a tactic used by the 7/7 bombers who also spent months learning how to build a bomb at a training camp in Pakistan.

Former Metropolitan Police officer, David Videcette, who helped investigate the tube bombings said it was likely Abedi had spent many months abroad practising how to assemble a device before returning to the UK. He said: "This is not something you can just put together by reading a book or watching a YouTube video. He will have spent time at a camp somewhere, possibly in Libya {but PROBABLY in pakistan}, being shown how to do it. "But once you have the skills and the materials, assembling the device itself can be done fairly quickly."

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby UlanBatori » 28 May 2017 17:09

Old Malloostani saying:
Pay your own money, and buy a rabid biting dog

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 28 May 2017 17:48

most interesting part is he bought parts to make bum like acetone, nuts, bolts, nails etc using money given to him as benefits! So it was a tax payer funded bum..

@UlanBatori ji
BBC and many are saying final assembly was done in a property rented in central Manchester, property where he lived was used to store them. Varying accounts, but again one of these properties was given by local council as part of benefit!
Also it is unlikely he was able to assemble a complex bum on his own going by what is being told regarding him..(druggy, gangster, distracted..)
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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 28 May 2017 17:51

Many hate crime incidents being reported from across UK:
A 16-year-old boy has been attacked with a knife at a leisure centre in what police are calling a hate crime.
A man approached him from behind and pushed him to the floor at the Arcadia Sports Centre in Levenshulme, Manchester at about 20:45 BST on Thursday, police said.
The boy was cut on his arms but managed to run away. The man returned to the reception and left with another man.
An 18-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of assault.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-40076243

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Karthik S » 28 May 2017 17:52

^ 16 year old boy and 18 year old man?

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 28 May 2017 17:56

^18 is legal age when a boy can be called a man

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby jagga » 29 May 2017 12:54

IT outsourcing to India is being blamed for the British Airways IT meltdown over the holiday period. GMB union is milking this incident to fullest. Unfortunately counter narrative is not coming.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby kvraghav » 29 May 2017 13:20

Cant we drag them to the WTO if they stop IT outsourcing? They may control the VISA like H1B though.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby jagga » 29 May 2017 14:18

Not sure about WTO. I can understand that accountability being demanded on the failure of systems. I guess in this case being managed by Tata Consultancy. Recently NHS systems were down after cyber attack and if I am not wrong they are being managed within UK. So things can go wrong and should not be just blamed on outsourcing.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby SaraLax » 29 May 2017 14:48

jagga wrote:Not sure about WTO. I can understand that accountability being demanded on the failure of systems. I guess in this case being managed by Tata Consultancy. Recently NHS systems were down after cyber attack and if I am not wrong they are being managed within UK. So things can go wrong and should not be just blamed on outsourcing.

The British union is probably using this BA's IT systems crash issue as a way to cry foul (sans any proof) about quality issues with Indian IT service providers & thus prevent more of the IT jobs from getting outsourced. One can read in BBC, Guardian and elsewhere - the BA has clearly stated that the outsourcing of IT system was not the cause for this issue.

There have been umpteen times in recent few years when the online banking systems, ATM networks & etc of almost every major British bank (Barclays, Lloyds, Natwest) have gone down and sometimes took 2 or 3 days to come back to normal working scenarios. Some of these entities seem to be working with older systems.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Haresh » 29 May 2017 18:49

The UK is going through a strange phase.
The want to blame all their problems on "foreigners" how ever they define them.

They are resentful that they no longer have an empire and are instead a vassal state of the Americans. All they can do is blame everything on Indian outsourcing. I remember when the RBS IT metdown happened, it was all about Indian outsourcing, it turned out it was a software patch applied in Edinburgh.
Who knows what the cause of this curent meltdown is.

The Daily Hate (Hitlers favourite paper) is doing its best to stir hatred against India/Indians.

Take a look at these two stories:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rance.html

It has 5 comments

This bizarre story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... OTTLE.html

Has 91 so far!!!!!!!!

They quite willingly toady to their real enemies the saudi/gulf wahabbis and the pakis.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby jagga » 29 May 2017 21:34

From Horse's mouth (BA chief executive Alex Cruz)
"There were no redundancies or outsourcing taking place around this particular hardware live operational system, resilience set of infrastructure in this particular case. It's all locally hired, etc, resources that have been attending to the maintenance and the running of this particular infrastructure. In this case its totally unconnected, completely unconnected with all those redundancies and with outsourcing of the IT system"

BA boss 'won't resign' over flight chaos

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Singha » 29 May 2017 22:37

interesting comparison of UK with other leading EU economies.

other than city of london banditry, they are not so hot overall as media would have us believe ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/opin ... ml?mcubz=0

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Bheeshma » 29 May 2017 22:44

Like I said any sympathy for these vermins is wasted. Just sit back grab a pop corn and enjoy the show.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 30 May 2017 00:02

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/810115 ... -terrorism
Write a letter to terrorists! Children told to ‘respect’ killers in new teaching aid

It tells primary age children that terrorists kill people because they believe they are being treated “unfairly and not shown respect”.
It gives examples of “terrorists” whose ideas then turn out to be right: “The Suffragettes used violence and were called terrorists,,,,” it stated.
In an activity recommended for pupils aged seven to 11, teachers are urged to “invite children to write a letter to a terrorist. If they could ask a terrorist six questions, what would they be?”
Chris McGovern, chairman of the Campaign for Real Education, said the letter task would confuse and potentially upset pupils.
He said: “This a crackpot idea based on the misguided notion that primary school children must engage with, and show “respect” for, religious fanatics who are seeking to kill them.
“It is part of the “British Values” agenda that is being forced on schools by Ofsted and the educational establishment.

“The primary school classroom is not the place to humanise terrorism by ‘pretend dialogue’.”

In trying to help children “understand” terrorists’ motives, the book invites sympathy for the killers, critics claim.

And by invoking the Suffragettes and Nelson Mandela, it leads children to question whether terrorism might be justifiable, they say.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby panduranghari » 30 May 2017 19:52

Expect more of this if Corbyn wins. And it seems more likely by the day. The media is painting him as a moron. That he is, there is no doubt. But like donaldo, le pen et al signify the move towards extreme right of the polity, the elevation of Corbyn will be the move towards extreme left of the polity. The centre ground will recede. The useless bell curve which hides the devils in the extremes are going to rear the ugly head.

Fellow brownies in the UQ, brace yourself. Its going to get really bad.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby sanjaykumar » 30 May 2017 20:01

So grammar school kids in Britain are more sophisticated than the NYT WP CNN Fox etc.

There is something about the Britains you gotta admire sometimes.

To clarify, I hope there is no let up in counter surveillance and neutralisation of terrorist threats in Britain and a ban on immigration from Pakistan.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby IndraD » 31 May 2017 20:51

Abedi could be lone wolf as most of the core components were bought by him in last 4 days before attack. Though investigation is still on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40103563

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby ramana » 31 May 2017 21:42

Salman Abedi profile looks similar to the Orlando night Club shooter profile. Parents are ex-jihadist/mujahedeen brought in for services rendered.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Philip » 01 Jun 2017 10:11

The Manchester bombing has dealt a blow to May's hope for a smashing majority in the coming elctions.All forecasts now say that Labour and Corbyn are narrowing the gap and that she may not have a working majority too. Labour's populist manifesto,free education ,renationalising the railways,etc. has gone down well. It i an astonishing fact that European rail cos. of other nations are running Britain's rail cos. making a huge profit and using that to improve their rail systems!

That Britain's foreign wars are also responsible for the backlash of terror from B.Liar's Iraq fibs about Saddam's WMDs,to CaMoron and his Libyan bombing,which triggered off the Manchester bomber and his hope of the 72 pure houris in firdaus. May wants to maintain Britain's unenviable position as right behind Uncle Sam's butt,ready to follow him to kingdom come if need be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ign-policy
Corbyn is right: of course Manchester was linked to British foreign policy
Simon Jenkins

We committed armed aggression against sovereign peoples who had not attacked us, claiming our motive was ‘to keep terror off the streets of Britain’
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn (right), with the mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham

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Jeremy Corbyn is perfectly right to relate this week’s Manchester terrorist atrocity to British foreign policy in the Middle East. Whenever Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron struggled to explain why British blood and finance had to go on toppling regimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, they were explicit: it was “to prevent terrorism in the streets of Britain”. The reason was given over and over again: to suppress militant Islam.

When that policy clearly leads to an increase in Islamist terrorism, we are entitled to agree with Corbyn that it has “simply failed”. Regimes were indeed toppled. Tens of thousands died, many of them civilians every bit as innocent as Manchester’s victims. Terrorism has not stopped.

Whenever al-Qaida or Isis seek to explain their atrocities, reference is usually made to British intervention and the military killing of innocent Muslims. It is mendacious to try to sanitise our overheated and jingoistic response to domestic terrorism by pretending that it is unrelated to British foreign policy. It was we who made the link, and before the terrorists did.

The Snap: Corbyn returns to campaign, linking terror at home and wars abroad

Of course this does not exonerate anyone. Yes, militant Islamists are seeking to subvert the west’s sense of security and its liberal values. Yes, the west’s continued bombing of markets, hospitals, weddings and villages is “accidental” – albeit inevitable, given the nature of modern air war.

But we used the language of “shock and awe” in bombing Baghdad in 2003. We gave the current era of Islamist terrorism a cause, a reason, an excuse, however perverted. We committed armed aggression against sovereign peoples who had not attacked us.

Corbyn says 'war on terror not working'
Where Corbyn spoils his pitch is in relating terrorism not just to foreign policy but to domestic austerity. He stoops to Theresa May’s level in seeking to make electoral capital from a tragedy. Were he not grandstanding himself, he could accuse her of peddling the politics of fear by flooding the streets of the capital with soldiers. He could plead with the Muslim community to do more to combat and expose terrorist “grooming”. But there is no evidence that the security services are impeded in their work by staff shortages. It is the one aspect of policing that has been showered with money.

Politicians who exploit moments of public tragedy play a risky game. Whether Corbyn was tactful to return to the election campaign by citing Manchester is moot: he would have been wise to wait a few days. But Islamist terrorism is related to foreign policy. However hateful it may seem to us, it is a means to a political end. Sometimes it is as well to call a spade a spade.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Philip » 01 Jun 2017 11:02

Labour closing the gap......."Mind the gap"! :rotfl:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66171.html
Election poll latest: Theresa May's lead slashed to record low of three points as Labour close in on Tories
Theresa May's campaign has come unstuck in recent weeks


Caroline Mortimer
Theresa May reacts as she speaks to workers at a campaign event in Bath EPA
Labour is closing the gap with Tories and now stands just three points from Theresa May’s party, a new YouGov poll shows.

The poll, commissioned by The Times, found the Conservative lead has slipped dramatically in recent weeks and is now within the margin of error.
The figures show the Conservatives on 42 points but Labour are close behind on 39.
Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats are struggling to maintain the momentum of their "fightback" as they slip to just 7 per cent vote share.

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The poll points to a remarkable change in fortunes for the Tories, which had a 24-point lead over Labour when the snap general election was called in April.

Ms May has struggled in recent weeks after she was forced into an embarrassing U-turn over plans to reform social care in the party's manifesto.

The party said elderly people who needed care will be able to put off playing for it until after their deaths so they could potentially stay in their own home for as long as possible.

But critics said this would unfairly penalise people who suffer a slow decline from illnesses like dementia, over people who die suddenly and can then leave their estate to their children.

Ms May has faced criticism for refusing to to engage with voters, especially after she declined to take part in televised debates.

During the debate, Green party leader Caroline Lucas said: “You don’t call a general election and say it is the most important election in her lifetime and then not even be bothered to debate the issues at hand."

She added: “I think the first rule of leadership is to show up."

The YouGov poll also shows Ms May's personal appeal over Jeremy Corbyn is slipping.

Theresa May is too cowardly to take part in the TV debate
​It found 30 per cent of respondents think Mr Corbyn would be a better Prime Minister – the highest it has ever been – while Ms May's personal favourability has slipped to 43 per cent from 45 per cent.

It comes as Ms May is planning a speech to refocus the campaign on Brexit on Thursday where she will say it is a "great national mission" which she is best placed to lead.

She will vow to use the "promise of Brexit" to transform the country for the better.

Ms May has used Brexit as a device to attack Mr Corbyn, saying he would find himself "alone and naked" in the negotiations with the rest of the EU

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Yagnasri » 01 Jun 2017 11:09

5 BBC fellows ( most likely MI6?) died in Afghan bombing today. May had a bad may and it is only getting worst.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Philip » 01 Jun 2017 18:43

A disaster in the making come the election? If this poll is true,then Labour are on a real swing vote with the momentum with them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66941.html
General election poll: Jeremy Corbyn surges ahead of Theresa May in London
The YouGov survey shows Labour surging to a 17 point lead in the UK's capital
Joe Watts Political Editor

Jeremy Corbyn is now London's favourite candidate for Prime Minister, according to a newly released poll.
The YouGov survey for the Evening Standard sees Mr Corbyn overtake Theresa May as the preferred choice to lead the country among Londoners.

The poll also points to a broader Labour surge in the capital - boosted in large part by young voters - giving Mr Corbyn's party a 17 point lead over the Tories and potentially condemning a handful of London Conservatives to defeat.

May’s ex-comms chief pens devastating critique of social care U-turn
It comes after a string of national polls have indicated that the huge lead the Conservatives had at the start of the election is slowly crumbling, while seat projections have pointed to a hung parliament.

As the poll was published Ms May was giving a speech on Brexit, in a bid to refocus the election on her strongest area of policy and get her campaign on track.

Asked by YouGov who would make the best Prime Minister, 37 per cent picked Mr Corbyn and 34 per cent Ms May. A survey taken just after the manifesto launches last month had Ms May ahead by 38 to 32.

On voting intention, Labour now stands on 50 per cent, up from 41 per cent a month ago, according to the new poll. The Tories are on 33 per cent, down from 36 per cent last month.

UK General Election 2017
In March, as Theresa May enjoyed popularity in the run up to triggering Article 50, the parties were just three points apart in the capital, with Labour on 37 per cent and the Conservatives on 34.

Labour’s surge reflects YouGov’s belief that young people will vote in greater numbers at this election, with other pollsters giving more weight to previous elections which saw younger people who promised to vote failing to.

Among those London Conservatives most vulnerable in the light of the poll are Housing Minister Gavin Barwell and Tania Mathias could well be replaced by a returning Sir Vince Cable.

Theresa May sidesteps question on whether she'll stand down
The poll also eases the pressure on sitting Labour candidates who feared losing the seats they held in the last parliament, like Ilford North's Wes Streeting and Hampstead and Kilburn's Tulip Siddiq.

A national poll published on Thursday showed that across the country the Conservative poll lead has shrunk to jus three points, with the Conservatives on 42 points but Labour are close behind on 39.

The damaging decision to U-turn on her social care policy just days after it appeared in the Tory manifesto is at the heart of Ms May's problems, having led to questions over her claim to be the “strong and stable” option.

It also preceded a YouGov seat-by-seat projection published by The Times suggesting the election will result in a hung parliament.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Singha » 02 Jun 2017 09:57

sensitive UK intel report that implicates the saudis will never be released

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... dApp_Gmail

too much investment money, black money and weapons deals are at stake.

same as the frozen investigation into the bribery involved in the typhoons and other weapons for KSA previously

saudis will probably make a show of house arresting a couple of nobodies to appease whitehall and carry on gleefully

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Lalmohan » 04 Jun 2017 02:55

if blair and obama both asked their intel services to gloss over saudi issues... nowadins their kahani will be lost deep in the desert sands

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby Prem » 04 Jun 2017 04:56

3 different incidents of Pakistaniat in London , Plowing the van in crowd & stabbing etc.


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