Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2013 01:46

Appears the 7-11 was robbed by others

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Apr 2013 01:47

one of the watertown bridges...the places looks shallow also. guy could have even waded across
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6111/6316 ... 0650_z.jpg

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 20 Apr 2013 01:48

Victor wrote:Wonder why they haven't released video/photos of the guy planting the bomb. His family is crying frame-up and everyone who knew at least the younger kid can't believe he's capable of this. The visual "proof" would go a long way in bringing some belief, closure and acceptance.

with so much advance in technology, anything is possible nowadays. aam ke ped pe chana ugana is no rocket science

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 20 Apr 2013 01:53

one singha is its too early in spring for the waters to be prolly swimmable.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 20 Apr 2013 01:56

SamG wrote:
Victor wrote:Wonder why they haven't released video/photos of the guy planting the bomb. His family is crying frame-up and everyone who knew at least the younger kid can't believe he's capable of this. The visual "proof" would go a long way in bringing some belief, closure and acceptance.

with so much advance in technology, anything is possible nowadays. aam ke ped pe chana ugana is no rocket science

Ya but why pic of them "walking away" but not actually planting. Would that be counterproductive or positive? Now mother saying they "would never do this".

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Apr 2013 01:57

These ROPers are soo predictable. A brief of how they reacted to #Boston bombing in twitter.

Day 1 #Please don't be a muslim -->They did not care about 100s of those innocent people injured

Day 2 #Hindu terrorism --> (Ahh, I told you so. Hindu terrorism finally got exposed) type propaganda

Day 3 #Not muslims --> Reactions range from suspects "not true muslims" to wild conspiracy theories.

Reza Aslan ‏@rezaaslan 1h

Tsarnaev uncle: "The boys call themselves Muslims but they are not. They're hypocrites falsely using name of God.”

Muslim Matters ‏@MuslimMatters 1h

American- Muslim communities, pls touch base with your local police depts & request extra patrols & a physical security assessment

Ali Abunimah ‏@AliAbunimah 2h

“Tamerlan was married to a woman from ‘a good Christian family,’ with whom he had a young daughter.” http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/19 ... nts-proof/ …

Dr Leon Moosavi ‏@Leon_Moosavi 18 Apr

There's been 51 white terrorists in the USA in recent years. All were viewed as lone psychopaths, not as representatives of their community.

Ahmed Shihab-Eldin ‏@ASE 8h

"Interesting. That dog is Barking. Something is happening. We don't know what it is. We don't know if it is a canine."

Wajahat Ali ‏@WajahatAli 8h

Great Career Opportunity: Become Chechnya "Expert" by using google and you too can be on TV giving half-assed commentary!

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 20 Apr 2013 01:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARE9rclZ ... e=youtu.be

She also says that " They knew" everything all the way...

rt.com site is down after the interview

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Apr 2013 02:02

Victor wrote:Wonder why they haven't released video/photos of the guy planting the bomb. His family is crying frame-up and everyone who knew at least the younger kid can't believe he's capable of this. The visual "proof" would go a long way in bringing some belief, closure and acceptance.

I think the idea was to ID the bombers by the public. Though they might have seen someone who looked like the younger guy in the video the image might not have been very clear and they might have thought it wont help the public to ID the culprit. Because of the clear image in the video public were able to ID the culprits.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 20 Apr 2013 02:12

A distinctive white hat worn backwards would be enought to link the planter with the clearer photos. They should have released those videos/photos taken by the cctv across the street. There's absolutely no reason not to and it would close a circle that's wide open right now. Now father is going to speak from Dagestan. He's going to accuse the FBI for sure.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 20 Apr 2013 02:26

Singha wrote:there is a mongolpuri in NW delhi. presumabably some camp followers decided to settle there rather than leave with taimur.

The word Mughal is also a corruption of the word Mongol.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 20 Apr 2013 02:36

fata chappal op only this looks like. enroute to escape, stop at atm to steal 800$?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 20 Apr 2013 02:51

Possible that elder brother made some arrangement to protect younger one and that may be posing challenges to law enforcements.

Another possibility is that the story will show younger one killing himself or of his own doing rather than law enforcement taking him, a 19 year old, down. Remains to be seen.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2013 02:59

Later possibility is strong.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 20 Apr 2013 03:00

the dust will probably settle by tonight...so folks will keep wanting some explanations about why, why now, and why boston type questions.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Apr 2013 03:01

From the artcile posted by singha:

He also said: "I like the USA ... America has a lot of jobs. That's something Russia doesn't have. You have a chance to make money here if you are willing to work."

Did he say this after or before the alleged trip to Pakistan? My guess is before.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Apr 2013 03:02

I think there are other cells in the area. Closing down that much of Boston is a bit excessive for just 1 person.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Apr 2013 03:04

was this posted here: the elder had won boxing in salt lake city.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/boston-mar ... slideshow/

btw, it is so coinciding that musharraf escapes with his habib sitara, while the boston bombing happens. does he have any connections?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Apr 2013 03:08

Anatomy of a Misinformation (on Sunil)
Reminds me of the tamil saying which equates to "Do not trust in what you see or hear, trust only the investigation"

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 20 Apr 2013 03:20

Talisma Nasreen now says that the Chechen brothers were influenced by James Bond movies than Al-quida. She initially had no such reservations when pinning it on Triparhi. She was very happy when the misinformation came through. Really what kind of human is she? Ak thoo!

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 20 Apr 2013 03:34

So the brothers Tsarnaev are

Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Dzhokar Tsarnaev

"Tamerlan" we already know as Timur the lame, the grandfather of Babar I believe.
"Dzhokar" is pronounced as "Jauher". Incidentally, "Jauher" is the Hindi/Rajasthanvi term for the mass suicide the womenfolk used to commit when a Rajput fort was sacked and the battle lost. It was a mass sati to avoid becoming the "right hand possessions" of the faithfool. I wonder if the name is glorified in that manner for that reason, like "Tamerlan".

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 20 Apr 2013 03:36

Victor said

Now father is going to speak from Dagestan. He's going to accuse the FBI for sure.

who the eff cares?? the US state can squeeze the nuts of Human rights, NGOs and assorted candle kissers and shut them down

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Apr 2013 03:51

Singha wrote:there are also bunches of people with no passport but some kind of "refugee papers" from war torn regions...some asylum seekers who know how to game the system etc. I had gone to the JFK Federal building in boston once for some visa matter and every slick Paki roaming there was accompanied by slick willie kind of sharp gora lawyer. these lawyers have made a lot of money off doubtful immigration cases.

Good observation and very true. I was wondering how these people just moved to US from wherever to make a better life. That would be almost impossible for any of our Indian citizens.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Apr 2013 03:57

Swamy G..just wanted to reiterate from that link (was about to post the same):

The only problem is that there is no mention of Sunil Tripathi in the audio preceding Hughes' tweet. I've listened to it a dozen times and there's nothing there even remotely resembling Tripathi's name. I've embedded the audio from 2:35 to 2:45 am for your own inspection. Multiple groups of people have been crowdsourcing logs of the police scanner chatter and none of them have found a reference to Tripathi, either. It's just not there.

Could some people have heard the name, but somehow that did not make it into the canonical recording at Broadcastify? I don't think one can rule anything out with this story, but it seems, at least, unlikely. (No other recordings have turned up from this time period in which Tripathi's name is mentioned.)

Yet the information was spreading like crazy. Seven minutes after Hughes' tweet, Kevin Michael (@KallMeG), a cameraman for the Hartford, Connecticut CBS affiliate, tweeted, "BPD scanner has identified the names : Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi. #Boston #MIT." More media people started to pick things up around then, BuzzFeed's Andrew Kaczynski most quickly. His original tweet has since been deleted but retweets of it began before midnight and reached far and wide. At 12am, @YourAnonNews, Anonymous' main Twitter account tweeted, "Police on scanner identify the names of #BostonMarathon suspects in gunfight, Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta. Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi."

The informational cascade was fully on. @YourAnonNews' tweet was retweeted more than 3,000 times. We don't know how far Hughes's, Kaczynski's, or Michael's tweets went because they've been deleted. Hundreds of references to their tweets remain on Twitter.

By this time, there was a full-on frenzy as thousand upon thousands of tweets poured out, many celebrating new media's victory in trouncing old media. It was all so shockingly new and the pitch was so high and it was so late at night on one of the craziest days in memory. That Redditors might have identified the bomber hours before anyone but law enforcement seemed like amazing redemption for people who'd supported Reddit's crowdsourcing efforts.

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In the aftermath, I kept coming back to the moment when the fevered detective work of a subreddit broke out into a national story within minutes. Where had that authority come from? How had so many people bought in so fast?

The key moment is clearly at 2:43am when Hughes tweeted that the police scanner had mentioned these two names as suspects.

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A few things are for sure: the scanner chatter never mentioned the two false suspects together. The scanner chatter never mentioned them as suspects, either. The scanner chatter recordings contain no record of any mention. And no one has been able to produce any recording of the scanner mentioning Tripathi.

This presents us with a strange mystery that I wish I could fully solve, but I can't.

Perhaps this is some kind of hoax perpetrated by some unknown group.

There are many groups at the international level that would want to equate the Dharmic adherent with terror. The Sunil case is more serious than the Middle eastern ones..the Sunil one was quoted reportedly as named suspect by the Police on their scanners while a live 26/11 kind event is on!

Another article that gives more info is here:

Why are Police Scanners Accessible

Vested interests are surely learning to use social media in a crafty way. It would be better to be ahead in these circumstances at least by understanding why this happened.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Apr 2013 04:01

How could the second one outrun the cops in the chase stay out of bounds for this long inspite of the alert. By killing the first one, they have to get this one alive to elicit info out of him. ....Not a good sign for Boston police.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 20 Apr 2013 04:05

Heavy firing in Watertown. Its probably over.

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Apr 2013 04:06

Rapid Gunfire heard in Watertown .. CNN

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 20 Apr 2013 04:07

!!! GRAPHIC IMAGE OF THE CORPSE ELDER BROTHER- LEAKED

Leaked_Image

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Apr 2013 04:08

I think we at times underestimate our Intelligence. The Boston cops despite HD images of the known suspects broadcast the names of the Chechyans ONLY after the shootout killed the elder brother and his ID spilled out. Till then the world was being fed Mulugeta and Tripathi with not one clarification!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Apr 2013 04:10

Please remove that Image!!

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 20 Apr 2013 04:10

Paul wrote:How could the second one outrun the cops in the chase stay out of bounds for this long inspite of the alert. By killing the first one, they have to get this one alive to elicit info out of him. ....Not a good sign for Boston police.

Or perhaps an order from the other alphabet agencies not to let the truth out (even if the younger one is captured or dead) in the hopes that any helping individuals/groups trying to contact his cell or send indirect coded message on twitter? Whats the big deal if the search goes on for a day or two? Just a thought IMO.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 20 Apr 2013 04:11

wow what feels like a 100 law enforcement vehicles streaming past the NBC camera

armored cars, SWAT

hope its good news

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 20 Apr 2013 04:11

harbans wrote:Please remove that Image!!

Done. Placed the link instead.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Apr 2013 04:12

harbans wrote:I think we at times underestimate our Intelligence. The Boston cops despite HD images of the known suspects broadcast the names of the Chechyans ONLY after the shootout killed the elder brother and his ID spilled out. Till then the world was being fed Mulugeta and Tripathi with not one clarification!

If what you wrote here is true then this is celebration time for those who invented hindoo terror. They are 100% successful. Those who wants that term to be popularized including some on this forum can enjoy.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Apr 2013 04:13

Thanks Garooda! Just got up and man...

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Apr 2013 04:13

An ambulance too.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 20 Apr 2013 04:14

harbans wrote:Swamy G..just wanted to reiterate from that link (was about to post the same):

The only problem is that there is no mention of Sunil Tripathi in the audio preceding Hughes' tweet. I've listened to it a dozen times and there's nothing there even remotely resembling Tripathi's name. I've embedded the audio from 2:35 to 2:45 am for your own inspection. Multiple groups of people have been crowdsourcing logs of the police scanner chatter and none of them have found a reference to Tripathi, either. It's just not there.

Could some people have heard the name, but somehow that did not make it into the canonical recording at Broadcastify? I don't think one can rule anything out with this story, but it seems, at least, unlikely. (No other recordings have turned up from this time period in which Tripathi's name is mentioned.)

Yet the information was spreading like crazy. Seven minutes after Hughes' tweet, Kevin Michael (@KallMeG), a cameraman for the Hartford, Connecticut CBS affiliate, tweeted, "BPD scanner has identified the names : Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi. #Boston #MIT." More media people started to pick things up around then, BuzzFeed's Andrew Kaczynski most quickly. His original tweet has since been deleted but retweets of it began before midnight and reached far and wide. At 12am, @YourAnonNews, Anonymous' main Twitter account tweeted, "Police on scanner identify the names of #BostonMarathon suspects in gunfight, Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta. Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi."

The informational cascade was fully on. @YourAnonNews' tweet was retweeted more than 3,000 times. We don't know how far Hughes's, Kaczynski's, or Michael's tweets went because they've been deleted. Hundreds of references to their tweets remain on Twitter.

By this time, there was a full-on frenzy as thousand upon thousands of tweets poured out, many celebrating new media's victory in trouncing old media. It was all so shockingly new and the pitch was so high and it was so late at night on one of the craziest days in memory. That Redditors might have identified the bomber hours before anyone but law enforcement seemed like amazing redemption for people who'd supported Reddit's crowdsourcing efforts.

----
In the aftermath, I kept coming back to the moment when the fevered detective work of a subreddit broke out into a national story within minutes. Where had that authority come from? How had so many people bought in so fast?

The key moment is clearly at 2:43am when Hughes tweeted that the police scanner had mentioned these two names as suspects.

------------

A few things are for sure: the scanner chatter never mentioned the two false suspects together. The scanner chatter never mentioned them as suspects, either. The scanner chatter recordings contain no record of any mention. And no one has been able to produce any recording of the scanner mentioning Tripathi.

This presents us with a strange mystery that I wish I could fully solve, but I can't.

Perhaps this is some kind of hoax perpetrated by some unknown group.
There are many groups at the international level that would want to equate the Dharmic adherent with terror. The Sunil case is more serious than the Middle eastern ones..the Sunil one was quoted reportedly as named suspect by the Police on their scanners while a live 26/11 kind event is on!

Another article that gives more info is here:

Why are Police Scanners Accessible

Vested interests are surely learning to use social media in a crafty way. It would be better to be ahead in these circumstances at least by understanding why this happened.

They are public airwaves and they are public servants. No clear cut laws but it all depends on how they are used that can make the difference. Drug dealers vs a electronics/radio enthusiasts.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Apr 2013 04:15

The fellow should be caught alive and interrogated.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Apr 2013 04:17

Fox news says 2nd suspect down just now

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 20 Apr 2013 04:17

Anujan wrote:The fellow should be caught alive and interrogated.

Sounds like it's too late for that. Reports say he's 'down' on a boat in Watertown. Other reports say body seen on the said boat after gunfire barrage

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 20 Apr 2013 04:18

As per Fox, the 2nd suspect is down. Pending confirmation.