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Postby RajeshA » 27 Apr 2013 23:04

Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh (SMTMS, pronounced sometimes) means Freedom Struggle to free Shiva Bhoomi, which includes Mount Kailash, Lake Manasarovar, and Tibet form Chinese rule.

I'm starting this new thread to focus our attention on the liberation of our places of pilgrimage from Chinese rule. China has no business to be sitting on some of our holiest of places of pilgrimage.

China does not belong to Āryāvarta, the land of the Arya, of the Sajjana People and as such our teerathsthans cannot be under their rule.

Bharatiya Rashtra and Bharatiyas must do the needful to see to it that China vacates our lands at the earliest possible.

I would urge BRFites to post all material relating to Shiva Bhūmi - Kailash Parvat, Manasa Sarovar, and other places of pilgrimage for the Sanatan Dharmics (which includes Buddhists) in Tibet.

Also any material related to Shaivism including images, videos, songs, etc. please do post here!

This is Dharma-Yuddha!

Har Har Mahadev!

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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby harbans » 27 Apr 2013 23:23

Good Rajesh Ji for starting this thread. KM is the holiest of Holy places for hundreds of millions. One of the most beautiful and pristine regions in the world. This is sacred soil. This is the region where the Ganges, Brahmaputra and Indus originate. This soil has been sacred to Dharmics for ever since we remember. This region is in our legend in our lore, and thousands still try and make the pilgrimage. This region now like Tibet lies in the hands of the Han imperialist and requires to be freed. It is hard to imagine that in the 21st century we have an example of the most blatant occupation of one of our holiest spots and our politicians/ policy makers/ bureaucrats that take our hard earned tax payer money do nothing/ say nothing about this issue. It seems they want us to forget this. It is highly possible the Pseudo secularists in the present day bureaucratic set up have hearn nothing about Kailash or Mansarover. Yet for millions and millions of us it means a lot.

This is a region that India must claim as it's own. A region that in the future we can incorporate as a Dharmic Sthal where people come, meditate, rejuvenate. We can encourage eco friendly ashrams, meditation and Yoga centers. We may ultimately have our own visions of what we make of this vast area ( my estimates are this is around 300-450 k sq kms) that we can make a direct claim with the Chinese and in the United Nations. This area belongs to the Greatest Yogi in our traditions and culture and should be dedicated and freed on his name. Shiva.

Har Har Mahadev!

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Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 00:11

More from a Chinese Traveller in the 5th century to show that India is indeed the right claimant to these territories:

After traveling for seventeen days, about 1,500 le, they arrived at the country of Shan-shan, today's Lop-Nor, which was a thriving oasis at that time. Fa-hsien reports:

"This land is rugged and barren...The king of this country has received the Faith, and there are some four thousand and more priests, all belonging to the Lesser Vehicle, but all practice the religion of India".


http://www.silk-road.com/artl/fahsien.shtml

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Postby partha » 28 Apr 2013 00:23

Tibet is referred to as Trivishtapa in Mahabharata.

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Postby RajeshA » 28 Apr 2013 00:54

harbans ji,

I want to thank you for focusing our attention to this enormous injustice done to Dharmics by the Chinese regimes. Please do cross-post all relevant posts by you on the subject to this thread.

Thank you!

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Postby RajeshA » 28 Apr 2013 17:38

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Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 17:42

Rajesh Ji many thanks, however i do feel this subject will come out sooner than than we imagine. Particularly when we have a more nationalistic and son of the soil kind of Government voted in with regularity. Towards that i do feel many particularly in the younger generation have little idea about Tibet, KM and respective UN resolutions over the past decades. So i will post the relevant regulations of the 50's and 60's that savage China's occupation of Tibet.

Resolution 1353 (XIV)

The General Assembly,

Recalling the principles regarding fundamental human rights and freedoms set out in the Charter of the United Nations and in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the General Assembly on 10 December 1948,

Considering that the fundamental human rights and freedoms to which the Tibetan people, like all others, are entitled include the right to civil and religious liberty for all without distinction,

Mindful also of the distinctive cultural and religious heritage of the people of Tibet and of the autonomy which they have traditionally enjoyed,

Gravely concerned at reports, including the official statements of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, to the effect that the fundamental human rights and freedoms of the people of Tibet have been forcibly denied them,

Deploring the effect of these events in increasing international tension and embittering the relations between peoples at a time when earnest and positive efforts are being made by responsible leaders to reduce tension and improve international relations,

1. Affirms its belief that respect for the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is essential for the evolution of a peaceful world order based on the rule of law;

2. Calls for respect for the fundamental human rights of the Tibetan people and for their distinctive cultural and religious life.



Resolution 1723 (XVI)

The General Assembly,

Recalling its resolution 1353 (XIV) of 21 October 1959 on the question of Tibet,

Gravely concerned at the continuation of events in Tibet, including the violation of the fundamental human rights of the Tibetan people and the suppression of the distinctive cultural and religious life which they have traditionally enjoyed,

Noting with deep anxiety the severe hardships which these events have inflicted on the Tibetan people, as evidenced by the large-scale exodus of Tibetan refugees to the neighboring countries,

Considering that these events violate fundamental human rights and freedoms set out in the Charter of the United Nations and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including the principle of self-determination of peoples and nations, and have the deplorable effect of increasing international tension and embittering relations between peoples,

1. Reaffirms its conviction that respect for the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is essential for the evolution of a peaceful world order based on the rule of law;

2. Solemnly renews its call for the cessation of practices which deprive the Tibetan people of their fundamental human rights and freedoms, including their right to self-determination;

3. Expresses the hope that the Member States will make all possible efforts, as appropriate, towards achieving the purposes of the present resolution.



Resolution 2079 (XX)

The General Assembly,

Bearing in mind the principles relating to human rights and fundamental freedoms set forth in the Charter of the United Nations and proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Reaffirming its resolutions 1353 (XIV) of 21 October 1959 and 1723 (XVI) of 20 December 1961 on the question of Tibet,

Gravely concerned at the continued violation of the fundamental rights and freedoms of the people of Tibet and the continued suppression of their distinctive cultural and religious life, as evidenced by the exodus of refugees to the neighboring countries,

1. Deplores the continued violation of the fundamental human rights and freedoms of the people of Tibet;

2. Reaffirms that respect for the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and of the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights is essential for the evolution of a peaceful world order based on the rule of law;

3. Declares its conviction that the violation of human rights and fundamental freedoms in Tibet and the suppression of the distinctive cultural and religious life of its people increase international tension and embitter relations between peoples;

4. Solemnly renews its call for the cessation of all practices which deprive the Tibetan people of the human rights and fundamental freedoms which they have always enjoyed;

5. Appeals to all States to use their best endeavors to achieve the purposes of the present resolution.


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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 17:46

The following is the view of HH the Dalai Lama in the 80's:

The view of the current Dalai Lama in 1989 was as follows:
During the 5th Dalai Lama's time [1617–1682], I think it was quite evident that we were a separate sovereign nation with no problems. The 6th Dalai Lama [1683–1706] was spiritually pre-eminent, but politically, he was weak and uninterested. He could not follow the 5th Dalai Lama's path. This was a great failure. So, then the Chinese influence increased. During this time, the Tibetans showed quite a deal of respect to the Chinese. But even during these times, the Tibetans never regarded Tibet as a part of China. All the documents were very clear that China, Mongolia and Tibet were all separate countries. Because the Chinese emperor was powerful and influential, the small nations accepted the Chinese power or influence. You cannot use the previous invasion as evidence that Tibet belongs to China. In the Tibetan mind, regardless of who was in power, whether it was the Manchus [the Qing dynasty], the Mongols [the Yuan dynasty] or the Chinese, the east of Tibet was simply referred to as China. In the Tibetan mind, India and China were treated the same; two separate countries.[61]

The International Commission of Jurists concluded that from 1913 to 1950 Tibet demonstrated the conditions of statehood as generally accepted under international law. In the opinion of the commission, the government of Tibet conducted its own domestic and foreign affairs free from any outside authority, and countries with whom Tibet had foreign relations are shown by official documents to have treated Tibet in practice as an independent State.[62][63]

The United Nations General Assembly passed resolutions urging respect for the rights of Tibetans in 1959,[64] 1961[65] and 1965.[66] The 1961 resolution calls for that "principle of self-determination of peoples and nations" applies to the Tibetan people.

The Tibetan Government in Exile views current PRC rule in Tibet as colonial and illegitimate, motivated solely by the natural resources and strategic value of Tibet, and in gross violation of both Tibet's historical status as an independent country and the right of Tibetan people to self-determination. It also points to PRC's autocratic policies, divide-and-rule policies, and what it contends are assimilationist policies, and regard those as an example of ongoing imperialism aimed at destroying Tibet's distinct ethnic makeup, culture, and identity, thereby cementing it as an indivisible part of China.[citation needed] That said, the Dalai Lama stated in 2008 that he wishes only for Tibetan autonomy, and not separation from China, under certain democratic conditions, like freedom of speech and expression and genuine self-rule.[67]


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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 17:54

Mount Kailash:

The mountain is known as Kailāsa (कैलास) in Sanskrit.[1][2] The word may be derived[citation needed] from the word kēlāsa (केलास) which means "crystal".[3] In his Tibetan-English dictionary, Chandra (1902: p. 32) identifies the entry for 'kai la sha' (Tibetan: ཀཻ་ལ་ཤ, Wylie: kai la sha) which is a loan word from Sanskrit 'kailāsa' (Devanagari: कैलास).[4]

The Tibetan name for the mountain is Gangs Rin-po-che. Gangs or Kang is the Tibetan word for snow peak analogous to alp or himal; rinpoche is an honorific meaning "precious one" so the combined term can be translated "precious jewel of snows".

"Tibetan Buddhists call it Kangri Rinpoche; 'Precious Snow Mountain'. Bon texts have many names: Water's Flower, Mountain of Sea Water, Nine Stacked Swastika Mountain. For Hindus, it is the home of the mountain god Shiva and a symbol of his power symbol om; for Jains it is where their first leader was enlightened; for Buddhists, the navel of the universe; and for adherents of Bon, the abode of the sky goddess Sipaimen."[5]


In Hinduism

According to Hinduism, Lord Shiva, the destroyer of ignorance and illusion, resides at the summit of a legendary mountain named Kailāsa, where he sits in a state of perpetual meditation along with his wife Pārvatī.

According to Charles Allen, one description in the Vishnu Purana of the mountain states that its four faces are made of crystal, ruby, gold, and lapis lazuli.[7] It is a pillar of the world and is located at the heart of six mountain ranges symbolizing a lotus.[7]

There exist episodes relating to Lord Shiva and Maa Parvati, including Ravana's tale. (Ravana was a devotee of Lord Shiva. Ramayana does not document Ravana shaking the mountain.) Ravana's mother had fallen ill. As they were great Lord Shiva devotees, he had attempted to carry the temple on his back to bring it closer to his mother. Shiva, being stunned by his boldness, had blessed him with immortality as Ravana had passed Lord Shiva's test of devotion.[8]
In Jainism

In Jainism, Kailash is also known as Meru Parvat or Sumeru. Ashtapada, the mountain next to Mt.Kailash is the site where the first Jain Tirthankara, Rishabhadeva, attained Nirvana/moksa (liberation).[9] (The authenticity of Mount Kailash being Mount Ashtapada is highly debated.)[10]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kailash

Even though Buddhism too has associations to this Holy region it is clear that Hindu's, Jains have had a long and early association even prior to Buddhism emerged in Tibet which is the 7th century! This is indeed THE HOLIEST of Holy spots for hundreds of millions in India. The Han meanwhile has not history, no legend, no lore, no cultural association with Mount Kailash or Mansarover.

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Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 18:06

Every year, thousands make a pilgrimage to Kailash, following a tradition going back thousands of years. Pilgrims of several religions believe that circumambulating Mount Kailash on foot is a holy ritual that will bring good fortune. The peregrination is made in a clockwise direction by Hindus and Buddhists. Followers of the Jain and Bönpo religions circumambulate the mountain in a counterclockwise direction. The path around Mount Kailash is 52 km (32 mi) long.

Some pilgrims believe that the entire walk around Kailash should be made in a single day, which is not considered an easy task. A person in good shape walking fast would take perhaps 15 hours to complete the 52 km trek. Some of the devout do accomplish this feat, little daunted by the uneven terrain, altitude sickness and harsh conditions faced in the process. Indeed, other pilgrims venture a much more demanding regimen, performing body-length prostrations over the entire length of the circumambulation: The pilgrim bends down, kneels, prostrates full-length, makes a mark with his fingers, rises to his knees, prays, and then crawls forward on hands and knees to the mark made by his/her fingers before repeating the process. It requires at least four weeks of physical endurance to perform the circumambulation while following this regimen. The mountain is located in a particularly remote and inhospitable area of the Tibetan Himalayas. A few modern amenities, such as benches, resting places and refreshment kiosks, exist to aid the pilgrims in their devotions. According to all religions that revere the mountain, setting foot on its slopes is a dire sin. It is claimed that many people who ventured to defy the taboo have died in the process[citation needed]. It is a popular belief that the stairways on Mount Kailash lead to heaven.

Following the political and border disturbances across the Chinese-Indian boundary, pilgrimage to the legendary abode of Lord Shiva was stopped from 1954 to 1978. Thereafter, a limited number of Indian pilgrims have been allowed to visit the place, under the supervision of the Chinese and Indian governments either by a lengthy and hazardous trek over the Himalayan terrain, travel by land from Kathmandu or from Lhasa where flights from Kathmandu are available to Lhasa and thereafter travel over the great Tibetan plateau by car.


For information sake: The Mount Kailash has NEVER ever been scaled. This is what mountaineers have to say:
Although Mount Kailash has never been climbed, a number of mountaineers have prospected the mountain with a view to climbing it. In 1926, Hugh Ruttledge studied the north face, which he estimated was 6,000 ft (1,800 m) high and "utterly unclimbable"[16] and thought about an ascent of the north-east ridge, but he ran out of time. Ruttledge had been exploring the area with Colonel R. C. Wilson, who was on the other side of the mountain with his Sherpa named Satan. According to Wilson, Satan told Wilson, "'Sahib, we can climb that!' ... as he too saw that this [the SE ridge] represented a feasible route to the summit."[17] Further excerpts from Wilson's article in the Alpine Journal (vol. 40, 1928) show that he was utterly serious in his intention to climb Kailash, but, as with Ruttledge, he ran out of time.

Herbert Tichy was in the area in 1936, attempting to climb Gurla Mandhata. When he asked one of the Garpons of Ngari whether Kailash was climbable, the Garpon replied, "Only a man entirely free of sin could climb Kailas. And he wouldn't have to actually scale the sheer walls of ice to do it – he'd just turn himself into a bird and fly to the summit."[18]

Reinhold Messner was given the opportunity by the Chinese government to climb the mountain in the 1980s but he declined.[19] In 2001 the Chinese gave permission for a Spanish team led by Jesus Martinez Novas to climb the peak, but in the face of international disapproval the Chinese decided to ban all attempts to climb the mountain.[20] Messner, referring to the Spanish plans, said, "If we conquer this mountain, then we conquer something in people's souls ... I would suggest they go and climb something a little harder. Kailas is not so high and not so hard."[19]


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Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 19:35

A great mass of black rock soaring to over 22,000 feet, Mt. Kailash has the unique distinction of being the world's most venerated holy place at the same time that it is the least visited. The supremely sacred site of four religions and billions of people, Kailash is seen by no more than a few thousand pilgrims each year. This curious fact is explained by the mountain's remote location in far western Tibet.


https://sacredsites.com/asia/tibet/mt_kailash.html

The above is a trashy article that does not do much justice like in the above it gives the reason for less pilgrims to be it's remote location. The reason in today's day and age is the simply Han imperialistic takeover of the most venerated Dharmic site for Hindu's, Jains.

Also it is important to note that this site was venerated by Hindu's and Jains even before Tibetan Buddhism took over. That is why it is so essential that this area be freed from Han clutches.

MD Nalapats article in Sunday Guardian today mentions we can claim KM just like China puts a claim to ArP..i don't agree with that. We have a direct claim to Buddhism and certainly the most legitimate claim to the Kailash Mansarover region for sure.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis ... -for-india

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Postby harbans » 28 Apr 2013 19:51

The Significance of Lake Mansarover:

In Hinduism

As per Hindu theology, Lake Manasa Sarovar is a personification of purity, and one who drinks water from the lake will go to the Abode of Lord Shiva after death. He is believed to be cleansed of all his sins committed over even a hundred lifetimes.[3]

Like Mount Kailash, Lake Manasa Sarovar is a place of pilgrimage, attracting religious people from India, Nepal, Tibet and the neighboring countries. Bathing in the Manasa Sarovar and drinking its water is believed to cleanse all sins. Pilgrimage tours are organized regularly, especially from India, the most famous of which is the Kailash Manasa Sarovar Yatra which takes place every year. Pilgrims come to take ceremonial baths in the cleansing waters of the lake.

Manasasarovar lake has long been viewed by the pilgrims as being nearby to the sources of four of the greatest rivers of Asia, namely the Brahmaputra, Karnali, Indus and Sutlej. Thus it is an axial point which has been thronged to by pilgrims for thousands of years. The region was initially closed to pilgrims from the outside; no foreigners were allowed between 1949 and 1980. After the 1980s it has again become a part of the Indian pilgrim trail.[3]

According to the Hindu religion, the lake was first created in the mind of the Lord Brahma after which it manifested on Earth.[2] Hence, in Sanskrit it is called "Manasa sarovaram", which is a combination of the words manasa (mind) and sarovaram (lake). The lake, in Hindu religious belief, is also supposed to be the summer abode of the Hamsa goose. Considered to be sacred, the Hamsa is an important element in the symbology of the subcontinent, representing wisdom and beauty.[4]

In Jainism

As per Jainism Kailash Mansarovar is associated with first Tirthankar Lord Shree Rishabhdev. Ashtapad mountain which is near to the Kailash mountain is a place where Lord Rishabhdevji attained Nirvana (Moksh) with crores of his disciples


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Manasarovar

Lake Mansarover is about 400 sq kms itself with a maximum depth of around 300 feet! This is also not the only holy lake around. The whole area and multiple lakes in this region are holy to the Hindu's and Jains for thousands of years.

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To go to these Holiest of Holy spots we were not allowed access from India between 1949- 1980 by the Chinese Govt. Last year a record of just 700 odd people visited Kailash Mansarover after suffering the insult of being approved by Han Chinese Visa's.

http://www.kmvn.gov.in/Downloads/Kailas ... etails.pdf

http://www.mea.gov.in/in-focus-topic.ht ... Yatra+2013

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Postby RajeshA » 28 Apr 2013 22:51

Books for the Library

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Kailash: The Mystic Land of Shiva [Amazon]
Author: Krishna Yadav
Publication Date: March 3, 2006

Description
Cradled in the lap of the snowcapped mountain peaks of the Himalayan ranges, in the proximity of the river Ravi, lies the mystic valley of Chamba with the sacred Mount Kailash, the abode of Lord Shiva.

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Legend has it that before Lord Shiva married Parvati (the lovely daughter of the Lord of the Himalayan Mountains), she underwent penance for years at Lake Mansarovar to become the wife of Shiva. Shiva is the father of the world, and after marriage Parvati became the mother; together they are the universal parents of the world.

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Postby harbans » 30 Apr 2013 20:17

Samadhi in the KM region of the legendary General Zorawar Singh who made the first attempts to it under Bharatiya control:

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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby Klaus » 01 May 2013 14:58

harbans wrote:
To go to these Holiest of Holy spots we were not allowed access from India between 1949- 1980 by the Chinese Govt. Last year a record of just 700 odd people visited Kailash Mansarover after suffering the insult of being approved by Han Chinese Visa's.

http://www.kmvn.gov.in/Downloads/Kailas ... etails.pdf

http://www.mea.gov.in/in-focus-topic.ht ... Yatra+2013


As per these documents, Indian diaspora (those who possess PIO and OCI cards) are ineligible for the yatra. IMO this decision by successive GoI's has played into the hands of the PRC, this decision needs to be reversed so that all Hindus, Jains & Buddhists, irrespective of citizenship or nationality are eligible to make the yatra through India & Nepal.

The bolded and underlined portion is important as India & Nepal have to jointly hold the initiative as the two nations from which the yatra originates. The eligibility clause getting cast wider, does not mean the Kailash-Manasarovar pilgrimage will morph into an international project for all to lay hands upon. This aspect also needs to be considered as there are few things which the GoI should not concede.

This decision will increase the bureaucratic (and by extension diplomatic) pressure on PRC, simply by virtue of having to do more paperwork. This also makes the K-M and larger Tibet issue a point of discussion in Neo-Buddhist (Western & Hispanic) societies, thus increasing its mind-share value.

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Postby harbans » 01 May 2013 16:49

IMO this decision by successive GoI's has played into the hands of the PRC, this decision needs to be reversed so that all Hindus, Jains & Buddhists, irrespective of citizenship or nationality are eligible to make the yatra through India & Nepal.


The point Klaus is who sanctions this 'eligibility'? Should we need Han sanction and rules for visiting our holiest site, the holy land where Shiva meditates? The point of contention here should be that the Han is an illegitimate entity here to decide on eligibility. The Nepalese, Tibetans and Indians alone have legitimate religious reasons to decide what needs to be done with that Holy region. I propose a joint management initiative with free entry to all Nepalese, Tibetan and Indians in this Dharmic Shiv sthal that will extend from Ladhak to North of Uttarkhand to the lotus mountain chain ridges right to north of Mount Kailash.

Direct routes from Uttarkhand, Ladhak, Lhasa, Nepal to this holy land must be made. The Han must apply for a Visa to visit this land, not issue them! That is and should be the basis of the problem with China and us today. Nothing else!

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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby harbans » 01 May 2013 17:38

लखनऊ। उप्र के कैलाश मानसरोवर यात्रियों को सरकारी अनुदान देने की पहल करने वाले मुख्यमंत्री अखिलेश यादव ने सोमवार को यहां इन तीर्थयात्रियों की आड़ में धर्म के ठेकेदारों पर निशाना साधा। उन्होंने कहा कि चीन की सीमा में स्थित इस तीर्थस्थान तक पहुंचने के लिए यात्रियों को दुर्गम रास्तों से गुजरना पड़ता है लेकिन खुद को धर्म का ठेकेदार बताने वाले कभी यह नहीं कहते कि कैलाश मानसरोवर कब भारत में आयेगा।

उन्होंने कहा कि कैलाश मानसरोवर के महत्व को समझते हुए ही इस मुद्दे को लोकसभा में सबसे पहले डॉ.राम मनोहर लोहिया ने ही जोरदार तरीके से उठाया था।


http://www.jagran.com/spiritual/religio ... 11463.html

For those who don't follow Hindi, an article that wrt Akhilesh Yadav: when will the Thekedars of religion ask when KM is going to be a part of Bharat. This is in response to Akshilesh Govt offering 25k Rs to 31 pilgrims that visited KM. Also that RM Lohia raised this issue in the Lok Sabha..

Another article:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/new ... 595078.ece

What is with the Yadav's antipathy with Cheen? They seem to be the most ardent Anti-Chinese amongst Indian politico's..

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Postby Klaus » 01 May 2013 18:03

Harbans ji, the Han is an outside party. No doubt about it. However the GoI policy of not allowing OCI. PIO card-holders along with all Hindus, Jains & Buddhists (of varying citizenry & nationality) is also shooting itself in the foot. For example, a Hindu from Suriname will almost certainly never be able to participate in the yatra due to this short-sightedness of GoI. Instead, he/she will have to approach the Chinese government in an individual capacity (for visa purposes). This gives PRC a lot of arm-twisting ability as there are no alternatives for making the yatra. That Hindu from Suriname would actually be thankful to the PRC and deride India in the same breath, even as he/she gets the opportunity to make the pilgrimage with private arrangements.

My point is simply increase the workload on the current administrators of the region while keeping it strictly on a G2G (gov-to-gov) basis to the point that they drown in all the added complexity and chaos it would unleash on them. On a parallel track, India can also start disputing the region, while clearly demarcating it as a zone of significance for Indian value systems, within the larger disputed region of Tibet.

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Postby Atri » 01 May 2013 18:41



Fantastic film on how Chinese invaded the land of Shiva and Lamas and desecrated it...

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Postby brihaspati » 01 May 2013 20:18

harbans wrote:
For those who don't follow Hindi, an article that wrt Akhilesh Yadav: when will the Thekedars of religion ask when KM is going to be a part of Bharat. This is in response to Akshilesh Govt offering 25k Rs to 31 pilgrims that visited KM. Also that RM Lohia raised this issue in the Lok Sabha..

Another article:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/new ... 595078.ece

What is with the Yadav's antipathy with Cheen? They seem to be the most ardent Anti-Chinese amongst Indian politico's..


Pretty interesting connections actually. If you hail from UP you already know. Its a contest between two circles of the mafiosi. One pushing from Nepal and the other the "patriotic" kind (or they become patriotic when their regional interest is threatened). The Nepalese one is secretly backed by China - this has the old UP thekedars twisting their coloured beards - even if on supra-regional level China is an ally of the religious agenda. Not safe to dig too much on this here.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 01 May 2013 20:49

Ok, I was always wondering that during his stint as Defence Minister also, mulayam had said few times "if we prepare for winning war against china then pakistan can naturally be taken care of", also lalu had said to vajpayee in parliament that 'Lord Shiva is in prison of china instead of using your stick against weak minorities show us that you can win back Kailash Mansarovar'.

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Postby Agnimitra » 12 May 2013 01:28

Lots of propaganda out there. This is criminal if true.
May 9, 2013:
China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbols of Lhasa City in Tibet
Ignoring both religious freedom and the outcry of the Tibetan people, the Chinese authorities have begun demolishing the ancient capital of Lhasa, including one of the most important Buddhist sites of the city, Tibet's holiest Jokhang Temple.

Chinese authorities are planning to destroy the ancient Buddhist capital of Lhasa, and replace it with a tourist city similar to Lijiang. "Shangri-La" in Yunnan Province. Several large-scale construction projects are underway for a number of shopping malls around the Buddhist holy temple as well as underground parking at Barkhor Street.

"Traditional Tibetan buildings in this ancient city are once again facing the destruction crisis under Chinese modernization", well-known Tibetan writer Woeser told the RFA Mandarin section. She is also appealing to the global institutions, including UNESCO and Tibetans around the world to 'save Lhasa.'

Woeser, who is currently living in Beijing, has published an article on her blog-page (Sunday, May 5) with pictures of the ongoing construction in the ancient city of Lhasa. She has called for a global intervention in the serious situation in the city, where thousand year-old traditional buildings are being destroying by the Chinese in the name of modernization and social stability.

'The construction project in the areas of Barkor streets of the Jokhang temple covers an area of 150,000 square meters to use as new shopping malls and 1,117 square meters for the underground parking spaces", said the sources.

Woeser said many recent visitors already raised strong concerns over the constructions as well as the fate of Lhasa. She expressed her concern over the Chinese authorities' activities and condemned them for demolishing the ancient symbols of Tibetan civilization.

She alludes to photos of the ongoing constructions that she has received, "The photos reflect the situation in the old town of Lhasa, it is a serious matter of concern."

Woeser claims that this is an unlawful act, aiming directly at multiple targets. There is an old Tibetan saying: 'One stone for two birds', which springs to mind.

She said its not only just for economic development, there are other targets. If we look carefully at the photos of the shopping mall project, there are several requirements for alterations of the Tibetan old city, including one called 'evacuation'. This means clearing vendors from the Barkhor streets, perhaps better named 'destruction.'

The Tibetan writer said China was criticized after converting the two ancient Chinese cities; Lijiang in Yunnan and Hunan city into modern tourist cities, with both projects now widely seen as poor decisions.

In fact, such reconstruction has already occurred in Tibet. China now wants the Tibetan Autonomous Region to become like the Zhongdian City (Tibetan: Gyalthang county of eastern Tibet). After the reconstruction, Lijiang was changed to "Shangri-La", mainly to attract tourists. She said this kind of destruction has caused great damage and should be considered 'tourist colonialism'.

Previous experiences from the so-called economic development of Gyalthang County, which caused the disappearance of many Tibetan cultural symbols, including the disappearance of the customs and cultural heritage of the Tibetan people is the "most worrying matter of concern."

The Chinese government is also set to expand various so-called 'interests', including governmental and economic measures, regardless of the consequences. The regime is seeking to further "maintenance in social stability", meaning the authorities have significantly increased surveillance and monitoring in the region, particularly in Lhasa city, prompting an escalation of security measures.

The Potala Palace was added to the UNESCO World Heritage List in 1994. In 2000 and 2001, Jokhang Temple and Norbulingka were added to the list as extensions to the sites. Rapid modernization has been a concern for UNESCO, however, which expressed concern over the building of modern structures immediately around the palace, which threaten the palace's unique atmosphere.

The Chinese government responded by enacting a rule barring the building of any structure taller than 21 meters in the area. However, sources stated that there are new modern buildings higher than 21 meters to be found in the vicinity. Woeser further stated that Jokhang Temple in Lhasa City should be granted protected status under UNESCO's cultural heritage regulations.

UNESCO was also concerned over the materials used during the restoration of the palace, which commenced in 2002 at a cost in millions of dollars, although the Chinese authorities have promised that only traditional materials and craftsmanship were used.

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Postby RajeshA » 11 Jun 2013 15:26

Published on Jun 11, 2013
By Yeshe Choesang
'India cannot remain insensitive' to Tibet crisis; BJP leader: The Tibet Post International

Dharamshala: - Shri. Rajnath Singh, president of Bharatiya Janata Party has raised the issue of Tibet and the recent self-immolations, saying India should not remain "insensitive" to the "atrocities being committed on Tibetan monks".

His comment came after the national executive meeting of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) which was recently held in Goa.

"In the past few months, hundreds of Buddhist monks have committed self-immolation in protest against the violation of the human rights by China in Tibet," Singh told reporters.

"India cannot remain insensitive to the atrocities being committed on the Buddhist monks in Tibet as we share a long history of cultural affinity with this region," he said.


There is more to Rajnath Singh besides eloquence in Hindi.

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Postby Agnimitra » 12 Jun 2013 03:56

Moved this post from Buddhism sociology thread -

Agnimitra wrote:Fa-Hien - A Record of Buddhistic Kingdoms

Being an Account by the Chinese Monk Fa-Hien of his Travels in India and Ceylon (A.d. 399-414) in Search of the Buddhist Books of Discipline

Translated and annotated with a Corean recension of the Chinese text

Note, in his chapter on Mathura, Fa Hien calls that area the "middle kingdom" or "central country".
All south from this is named the Middle Kingdom. In it the cold and heat are finely tempered, and there is neither hoarfrost nor snow. The people are numerous and happy; they have not to register their households, or attend to any magistrates and their rules; only those who cultivate the royal land have to pay (a portion of) the grain from it. If they want to go, they go; if they want to stay on, they stay.


Did he consider Mathura "central" because he was just thinking of 'India' as the area north of the Vindhyas? Not so. Here is a map of Fa Hien's travels:

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So he did touch Lanka, and also circumscribed Tibet and Kashgar (Uighur territory) and in that case it make sense that he called Mathura "central country".

Well-known writer Vikram Seth wrote a travelogue about his journey to Urumqi and its environs. He particularly noted the instantaneous and deep love and affection people there showed him just because he said he was Indian - where his Western co-travelers did not get that warmth.

[Post edited per RajeshA ji's suggestion.]

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Postby Arihant » 14 Jun 2013 04:38

RajeshA: This thread is critical and I applaud your decision to highlight this question.

I hope this becomes a movement that grows and gathers steam in robustly putting forth our civilizational claim on that territory...

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Postby sudarshan » 14 Jun 2013 05:57

Not sure if you're following developments in the Managing Chinese Threat thread. Hopefully Rajesh sir will reconsider his decision not to post on BRF.

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Postby harbans » 14 Jun 2013 13:13

Look forward to the day when:

1. Mount Kailash & Lake Manasarovar are back in India's fold.

2. POK is back in India's fold.

3. Tibet, once again, acts as a buffer state between India and China.


Yes, indeed. However IMHO Mount Kailash and Lake Mansarover region is even more relevant than the POK part. The emergence of the Tibetan buffer between the Han and India and Kailash/ Mansarover region as a joint property managed by Tibet/ Nepal and India as a Dharmic sthal will in the medium term ensure PoK ultimately comes to India too. The dynamics of Pak-China via the Karakoram that is a geo strategic nuisance to India will cease. It's first casuality will be PoK.

The emergence of a close knit cooperation between 3 Dharmic rashtra's: Tibet, Nepal and India will end the nonsense of 'secularism' that is allowing assorted Paki's and Han groups to set up massive footholds in Nepal. The Dharmic consolidation of UP/ Nepal away from the Islamist and Han combo starts here. That is why earlier I had said the mindset of people who think disputes have to be reduced must be changed. Disputes must be bought out in the open. A dispute does not mean war. It means one puts out his side/ version on the table too. Today it is the Han who brings out all sorts of disputes all along the border to India's table. Indian diplomats then spin, haw, mumble and keep at trying to reduce 'dispute' by appeasement , compromise, some amount of bravado, some meekness and plenty spin. That will never help as China realizes what India will do for every new 'dispute' it raises on the border.

Time to come out of that self imposed chains on our mindsets. Time to dispute Han presence in Tibet and claim KM as our own. Articles on the importance of this KM region to us and Tibet as buffer must start emerging in the national press for the right stance to come through at political and diplomatic levels.

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Postby Agnimitra » 24 Jun 2013 12:48

The Economist:
Tibet policy: Bold new proposals
"Welcome signs that some officials are at last starting to question policies on Tibet"
FEW outside China think the Communist Party’s strategy for Tibet is working. A combination of economic development and political repression was meant to reconcile Tibetans to Chinese rule and wean them off their loyalty to the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader. Instead disaffection is still rife, especially among the young. And all across Tibetan areas of China, Tibetans still display the Dalai Lama’s portrait, sometimes openly. Since March 2011 more than 100 Tibetans—especially in Tibetan areas of provinces bordering what China calls the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR)—have set themselves on fire. Most have done so in part to call for the Dalai Lama’s homecoming. An overwhelming security presence and the Dalai Lama’s commitment to non-violence mean that the unrest is easily contained. Hence little has suggested that China’s leaders are concerned about the bleak implications for the future: that their rule in Tibet can be maintained only by the indefinite deployment of massive coercive force.

So for a Chinese scholar, Jin Wei, who is director of ethnic and religious studies at the Central Party School in Beijing, to call for a “creative” new approach is startling. For her to do so publicly, in an interview this month with a Hong Kong magazine, Asia Weekly, suggests that she has high-level backing.

Here, on Tibet, is at least a hint of a crack in the hardline consensus. Some have detected another in the appointment of Yu Zhengsheng to head the party’s main policy group on Tibet and Xinjiang, a Muslim-majority region in the north-west. Mr Yu is the head of an advisory body designed to promote national unity. Previous heads of the group have been security specialists.

Ms Jin’s analysis, though couched in the terminology of party orthodoxy, is similar to that of many foreign observers. She argues that, by demonising the Dalai Lama, and viewing any expression of Tibetan culture as potentially subversive, the party has turned even those Tibetans sympathetic to its aims against it. The struggle has evolved from “a contradiction between the central government and the Dalai Lama separatist clique into an ethnic conflict between Han Chinese and Tibetans”.

She is not advocating a new soft approach to “political” issues, such as the Dalai Lama’s call for greater autonomy for Tibet and Tibetans’ hankering after a “greater Tibet”—ie, within its historic borders, beyond the TAR. But in fact, most protests in Tibet are not about “politics”, defined like this. Many have been sparked by anger at Chinese repression—of Tibetan culture, language and tradition, or of individual protesters. It is a vicious circle, made worse by anger at the large-scale immigration into Tibet of Han Chinese.

Ms Jin has ideas on how to break the impasse. Talks with the Dalai Lama’s representatives, stalled since the most recent of nine fruitless rounds in 2010, should resume, she says. They should concentrate on “easy” issues first, setting contentious debate about Tibet’s status to one side for now. China should consider inviting the Dalai Lama to visit one of its semi-autonomous cities, Hong Kong or Macau, and eventually allowing him back to Tibet. It should also try to defuse the crisis his death will bring by agreeing with him on a chosen reincarnation from inside China’s borders. Otherwise, China risks having to deal with two incarnations: one it endorses and one in exile who is more likely to be revered by most Tibetans.

The debate Ms Jin’s comments have provoked will not bring any immediate relief to Tibetans in Tibet. The infrastructure of Chinese repression is being enhanced and refined, with the implementation of a new “grid” system of street-level surveillance (see article). Dissenters are still locked up every week.

Moreover Ms Jin’s is still a lone voice, at least in public. Few others seem to realise that a new approach in Tibet is in China’s interest. Not only would it ease tension in Tibet; it would help relations with other minorities in China, make reunification with Taiwan more likely and improve China’s relations with the outside world. The more conventional Chinese view is the one voiced recently by a scholar at a Beijing think-tank: “The old Dalai will die soon. End of problem.” Though the Dalai Lama seems in good health, he turns 78 next month. The hope is that Ms Jin will not be the only Chinese adviser to understand that the dying in exile of this Dalai Lama would not be the end of China’s difficulties in Tibet. Rather, his death risks an explosion of violence and the rekindling of a Tibetan independence movement that is for now kept in check by the Dalai Lama’s search for a “middle way”.

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Postby Agnimitra » 25 Jun 2013 04:50

The systematic level of effort on the ground, infiltrating and engaging with the community at the village level, has to be admired.

Chinese Propaganda Agents Move into Every Tibetan Village
China has dispatched government agents into every village in Tibet as part of an unprecedented surveillance and 'political re-education' programme, according to a recent report.

An army of 21,000 officials scattered into small teams and set up in each of the country's 5,541 villages, with agents in some cases moving into the homes of Tibetans.

According to the report by charity Human Rights Watch (HRW), the "Solidify the Foundations, Benefit the Masses" campaign cost £150 million, or a quarter of Tibet's annual budget.

The officials then attempted to root out supporters of the country's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, and indoctrinated villagers with the virtues of the communist party and the Chinese state.

"Some work teams follow the everyday life of kids - they go to school and play ball with them, and listen to what they talk about, to find out who most influences them," say the reports authors.

"Even your own children can get you into trouble," one villager claimed.

Residents were subjected to long interviews and made to fill out questionnaires, after which they were placed in one of three broad categories: those wanting wealth and a quiet life; those who secretly pray to the Dalai Lama but cause no trouble; and those "who do not have faith in the motherland or the party".

"In a region where people are already subjected to extraordinary monitoring, this village-level drive, alongside similar efforts directed at towns and monasteries, effectively means that Tibetans cannot avoid state surveillance."

Authorities in Beijing are also stepping up the surveillance of telephone calls and internet communications in Tibet, with China's state-run news agency Xinhua reporting the completion of a programme to register all of Tibet's 2.76 million mobile users and 1.47m internet users by their real names.

A volunteer police force, modelled on the waiwen, or citizen 'stability police', has been set up and surveillance stepped up in Tibet's Buddhist monasteries and temples.

Tibetan opposition to Chinese rule remains strong, and on 11 June, Buddhist nun Wangchen Dolma became the 120th person to set herself on fire in protest at Beijing rule, dying three days later of her injuries.

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Postby harbans » 27 Aug 2013 02:23

Can India “reclaim” the Tibet issue, even if notionally? China has never shied from using the Tibet card against India, it refers to Arunachal Pradesh as South Tibet and claims 90,000 square kilometers . Simultaneously, it denies Indian claims in Aksai Chin as it did last year by showing the area as its territory in new e-passports . India retaliated by issuing visas with a counter map. In 2010, Xinhua knocked off 1,600 kilometers off the border ahead of Prime Minister Wen Jiabao’s visit to India, forcing the Indian ambassador to assert the length of the border as 3,488 kilometers. These cartographic wars should be a side-show not the mainstay of Indian policy.

Tibet is at the core of the border dispute with China. A real solution would require China to urgently address Tibetan demands for autonomy . Nine rounds of talks between 2002-2010 ended in stalemate with the Dalai Lama’s envoys resigning in frustration. The Chinese had begun threatening they may take away minority status of the Tibetans, thereby removing the basis for granting autonomy.

China has kicked the Dalai Lama’s “Middle Way” out of the door while altering demographic reality on the ground. Tensions are on the boil as Chinese take the top jobs while the government relentlessly exploits Tibet’s natural wealth. Reportedly, Tibetan nomads are being forced off their traditional lands and photographs of the Dalai Lama are routinely spat upon. Years of singleminded social engineering and cultural suppression have brought the age of self-immolation.

There are a hundred reasons for tweaking India’s diplomatic routine China has shown zero sensitivity to India’s core interests, it has broken pledges on border negotiations, it has steadfastly opposed the “rise” of India in various international clubs, it has single-handedly made Pakistan a nuclear power and repeatedly saved its terrorist back in the United Nations.

This is not an argument to turn up the heat needlessly because of India’s very real limitations on the ground. But nor is it an endorsement of the institutional diffidence sometimes on display and extreme fear of hurting Chinese sensitivities. A new balance between the two might help.


http://tibet.net/2013/08/26/time-for-a- ... n-tibet-2/

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Postby chaanakya » 27 Aug 2013 13:48

Tibet has become a colony of China. India need not have recognised Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. By the Logic put forward by China, India would have greater claim over the Region, for a very simple reason, Hindus have from time immemorial , regarded the land as abode of their Gods and have been visiting on religious pilgrimage. It had been under political control of Saka, Kushan, Gupta and Maurya Kingdoms. Buddhism flourished there due to Monks traveling from India. India could do any one or group of the following.
1. Declare that it treats the question of Tibet Open and does not recognise Chinese Control
2. It may ask China to give independence to Tibet.
3. It may stake claim to Tibet.
4. It may recognise the Govt of Tibet in Exile at Dharmshala as De Jure Govt.
5. It may ask Pro India Groups inside Tibet to declare independence and Set up Govt in Secrecy .
6. India may start issuing Passports to Tibetans treating them as Indians.
7. India may accept passports issued by Govt in Exile and ask other Nations to accept it for travel.
8. Chinese, the Hans, posted inside Tibet may be denied Visa to visit India.
9. Details may be collected during Visa application and deny Visa to various categories of visitors, esp. official ones.


and of course Dalai Lama can be declared as Next President Nominee if he accepts.

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Postby member_24042 » 27 Aug 2013 22:15

If the Buddhist theories of Dharma ending age are true, then nothing else than this could be the mark of its beginning. Really horrific. I guess, in some ways, it shows the power of Dharma decreasing in the world if even Jokhang isn't spared anymore.

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Postby member_22872 » 27 Aug 2013 22:19

Among those, none are possible. Firstly we need a GoI which can feel its own ball$ and is confident about India's strength, till then nothing will happen, even small nations like Bhutan would prefer being in China's sphere of influence.

With confidence alone strength can be projected.

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Postby harbans » 03 Sep 2013 14:38

Nepal is slowly slipping into Maoist and Islamist hands..Nepal has to be swept again into the Dharmic fold. But the battle to consolidate Dharma in the region and ward of Islamists and Maoists cannot be fought with ideological toothlessness of the UPA/ Nehruvian socialism and secularism. NM is needed more than ever before.

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=33890&t=1

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Postby harbans » 04 Sep 2013 12:43

Police brutality towards fellow Dharmic brethren Tibetans in Nepal is growing..

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India keeps ignoring onslaught in Dharma in our Dharmic lands by Maoist and Islamist forces. Nepal has to be shaken awake. I hope NM makes this change. We are losing ground unless we act. The moment we realize the need to unite Dharmic forces we will have given a massive punch to Maoist and Islamist forces. Both these realize that with NM in power, the time to consolidate ground in ArP, Nepal, Bhutan, Ladhak, LAC may be lost. So the time is now. China is playing hard and fast. UPA is sleeping of course, because it genuinely does not have Dharmic sympathies.

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Postby harbans » 04 Sep 2013 13:12

53rd Anniversary Day of the Tibetan Democracy Day..keeping the real Tibet alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujuxjzK8 ... line.tv%29

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Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Postby Prem Kumar » 05 Sep 2013 02:48

Harbans ji: our time is indeed running out. Possession is nine-tenths of the law

With time, the Hans will demographically invade Tibet. And attempt to bring trade/prosperity as well. If Tibetans see India do nothing, they will resign to their fate and fall into the arms of the stronger party. Their independence struggle will only last so long. HH Dalai Lama's end of life (whenever that happens) will be a tipping point.

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Postby chanakyaa » 05 Sep 2013 07:27

Rajeshji and team, respect the motivation for the new thread and valuable information/posts. BUT, We don't need to create new threads, we need to create new LEADERS..!! The problem you are highlighting is the outcome of poor leadership, unfortunately new threads other than providing common platform to gather information, will not fix the problem or get Tibet back. Regardless, the collective information is priceless.

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Postby harbans » 09 Sep 2013 18:20

MSM won't cover these important events so as not to offend China..but do read the significance of NMs' statements:

DHARAMSHALA, September 9: A south zone Tibetan parliamentary delegation currently in Ghandinagar, Gujarat, on its 'solidarity for Tibet campaign' called on the Chief Minister Narendra Modi, Governor Dr. Kamala Beniwal and Speaker of the State Legislative Assembly (Gujarat Vidhan Sabha) Vajubhai Vala on Friday.

The four-member Tibetan delegation apprised Modi of the ongoing crisis in Tibet and the spate of self-immolation protests by Tibetans in Tibet while urging him to raise the issue of Tibet at various platforms.

Assuring his solidarity and commitment CM Modi said, “I lived in Himachal Pradesh for five years and I am well aware of the Tibetan people's struggle. I have extended my support for Tibet’s cause in the past and will continue to do so,” said the man who is looked upon as the BJP's favorite contender for the PM's post in next year's general elections though he himself has denied eying for the post, saying he wants to serve Gujarat till 2017.

Modi also sent his “heartfelt Greetings” to the Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who, he said, is "revered, loved and missed so much by the Tibetans inside Tibet." He said he secretly took photographs of the Dalai Lama to Tibet despite being asked not to by his staff during his visit to Mount Kailash several years ago. "The Tibetans I met were so happy and delighted to get my gift," Modi said.


http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=33967

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Postby Jarita » 09 Sep 2013 20:32

^^^ He is throwing the gauntlet


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