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India-China War 2013 - Trigger: Incursion into India

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Postby Prem » 14 May 2013 04:30

Which Indian People, NRIs or RNIs? clarity is required for few good Bechhare Budde Bappus.

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Postby RamaY » 14 May 2013 05:40

I am trying to research Indian military procurement since 1998. I see very few items for IA. Really appreciate if some knowledgeable person starts a thread and gives an account of

- What equipment is required/planned by each service
- When the approval is sought, given and process begin
- How long does it take to procure, integrate and absorb a given equipment.

to my lame brain the procurement process seem to be extremely long and inefficient.

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Postby rajrang » 14 May 2013 06:05

Samudragupta wrote:
rajrang wrote:"The Indian withdrawal from the trilateral exercise occurred BEFORE the Chinese border intrusion in eastern Ladakh."

Each time India does China a favor, the latter kicks sand in India's face.

So, AFTER the Ladakh intrusion, perhaps India should change its mind and join the above exercise with Japan and the US. That can be one of several CONSEQUENCES to China for their recent misbehavior.


USA Mil pulled out of a joint military drill in Arunachal Pradesh last month...so is it surprising that India will not put all its eggs in the American basket...lets face it Gentlemen India as a nation does not see value addition to its international status to have a conflict with the Chinese now unless the push in the shove is unbearable....


You are correct. In his first 2 or 3 years (2009, 10 and 11), President Obama reversed the pro-India tilt of the Bush administration. In that period, Mr. Obama seemed to be going through a slow learning curve on foreign policy. He adopted polices that appeared to be pro-China, pro-Islamic countries, anti-Israel etc. By the second half of his fourth year (i.e. last year), that policy stands completely reversed. He is now aligned with the foreign policies of previous Presidents. Unfortunately, everything has a consequence - one of his biggest losses is the loss of India's trust in the US as you have pointed out. This relationship had been carefully developed by President Bush. Even his visit to India (the first by a US president in the first term) appears not enough.

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Postby eklavya » 14 May 2013 06:29

Pratyush wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Fearing-China-India-pulls-out-of-war-games-with-US-Japan/Article1-1059257.aspx


if this is not a surrender then what is. you have one country, going all out to push us in a corner. yet we are doing all that we can to appease it.


Once you understand that India's China policy is made by the CSG (China Surrender Group) all confusion will be cleared, just like the acne on our foreign minister's face that betrays nothing but pure stupidity.

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Postby Philip » 14 May 2013 08:08

...and his unseen piles!

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Postby svinayak » 14 May 2013 08:09

rajrang wrote:You are correct. In his first 2 or 3 years (2009, 10 and 11), President Obama reversed the pro-India tilt of the Bush administration. In that period, Mr. Obama seemed to be going through a slow learning curve on foreign policy. He adopted polices that appeared to be pro-China, pro-Islamic countries, anti-Israel etc. By the second half of his fourth year (i.e. last year), that policy stands completely reversed. He is now aligned with the foreign policies of previous Presidents. Unfortunately, everything has a consequence - one of his biggest losses is the loss of India's trust in the US as you have pointed out. This relationship had been carefully developed by President Bush. Even his visit to India (the first by a US president in the first term) appears not enough.

This is actual Asian Pivot. They use the name China for it but secretly it is against India!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian ... nistration

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Postby habal » 14 May 2013 09:18

they fear India's dharmic culture more than China OR it is for against both India & China ?

Since there are a lot of people clamouring for war with China here. I got the feeling that GoI is dead set against war because it helps & assists totally diabolical interests. China though bullish on the border too perhaps understands why war is not in it's interests. Western interests want to see a war in Asia, which can consume maximum lives. That is their only interest I feel. These guys will go to the extent of even detonating a-bombs in some country that is close to conflict to exacerbate matter further. We are dealing with entities that have no moral compass.

Maybe China felt that US was using countries in it's periphery to create trouble against it, maybe there is a US plan for China which MMSji was part of until now. There is tug of war going on for that.

First there is real-time intel which will say what prompted something to occur, but the two constants of international relations are:

1. the extremely dark, diabolical actions of the western managers who wish to create maximum human casualty in continent Asia.

2. the naivete and helplessness of countries like India, China. Yes, i include China here as a possible victim. Only time can tell if China or India is the ultimate victim.

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Postby svinayak » 14 May 2013 10:38

habal wrote:they fear India's dharmic culture more than China OR it is for against both India & China ?

Pak and PRC has been setup against India geo politically. The current anti-India posture of Pak and PRC was cultivated after 1971 when India became free of any challenger. Even now in Asia there is no geo political challenger for India
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Postby JE Menon » 14 May 2013 10:44

>>Even now in Asia there is no geo political challenger for India

What about Pak and PRC?

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Postby ramana » 14 May 2013 10:52

Do you think they are a regional challengers or geo-political challengers?

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Postby JE Menon » 14 May 2013 11:02

Asia is a region and clearly of geo-political significance to us, one would have thought.

Which is why I'm curious abt what is meant by the above...

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 May 2013 11:11

I guess regional challengers use their limited power to create problems for the big fish in their neighborhood. When you look at their absolute power/wealth, they are not a big deal. Example: See how Pakis create problems for India in SL, Nepal, Bangladesh, etc.

I think global or geopolitical challengers are more evenly matched.

Guessing onlee.

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Postby Philip » 14 May 2013 11:25

Both.Pak challenges us in the SAARC /subcontinental scenario and China geo-politically as we are its only challenger globally with the same population size,human resource capabilities,a military that can challenge the PRC particularly on the high seas and compete for the same energy and mineral resources worldwide.The Indian demand for UNSC membership also challenges China's key advantage over India-the UNSC veto.Above all,India is a democracy,which China is not and thus has the safety valve internally of elections and global approval.What we sadly lack is the single-minded national effort to be top dog economically and militarily.

Right now AKA is making more hostile statements than that emanating from his colleague the Cursed.In fact they are diametrically opposite.Does AKA represent the "core" committee's thinking (Sonia),while Cursed the "Kaur" committee of MMS? I think that AKA senses the nation's mood after Sarabjit and the "incursions".He also realises that after the two sackings,MMS's stock is very low in the party and that one more SC stricture on the PM/PMO would kill him off.He would be one of the loyalists in the running for the PM's post ,as despite the AW helo scandal,there is no mud attached to his reputation as he has one of the leanest reputations of any politico today.AKA is also short in stature,like Deng and other famous leaders!

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Postby Austin » 14 May 2013 11:54

AKA ya Kaka they all sense nation mood and make strong statements but when it come to actually deliverable they do nothing.

All empty statements are said for nationalistic reason nothing else.

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Postby Aaryan » 14 May 2013 13:16

Gurus, now that dust has settled and emotions are calm. I have a query. There are certain facts that I would like to bring in notice and verify
1) All these talks of different perception of Lac is false as Chinese don’t share any maps with US. So there is no LAC from Chinese side. We don't know where they stand.
2) Last map shared by Chinese was in 1960, in which the present area on which they encroached was shown as Indian side.
3) Even in 1962 they never tried to gain in this sector..

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Postby Philip » 14 May 2013 13:39

True Aryaan,but see how they suddenly sprung a surprise and said that Ar.Pradesh was "Southern Tibet"! Here,they blatantly occupied Indian territory 19km inside and squatted,as if might was right and possession 9/10ths of the law.It is being done because they sense a current fatal weakness in both the Indian military and more importantly the political leadership and are exploiting the situ.

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Re: India-China War 2013 - Trigger: Incursion into India

Postby kmkraoind » 14 May 2013 13:50

While diplomacy is important it is vital that India does not bow to the dragon - Kanwal Sibal in Dailmail.co.uk

According to him, the apple cart of what is going on with China is far more important and should not be upset, which suggests China had not done any upsetting with the Ladakh incident.

On return, Khurshid has reaffirmed that "we did not do any post-mortem or apportion blame" on the Chinese intrusion and that he was satisfied that the mechanisms worked well to resolve the stand-off.

This timidity towards China, to the point of fearing to raise a contentious issue and implicitly accepting part of the blame for the incident, seems more a pathology than an exercise in diplomacy.

For the government, the Chinese action in Ladakh seems to be of secondary importance; what is "more important is that the issue got resolved in a timely manner and within the laid down mechanism".


Such a situation is inherently unstable. China prefers agreements to maintain peace and tranquillity on the border without formally settling it because such agreements allow it to maintain its territorial demands on India and improve the military infrastructure on its side, even as they impose restraints on India to actively challenge China and open it to accusations of a provocative "forward policy" if it seeks to belatedly improve its defensive positions on the ground.

India is being constrained to adjust itself to the realities on the ground that are to its disadvantage

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Postby habal » 14 May 2013 14:31

Such a situation is inherently unstable. China prefers agreements to maintain peace and tranquillity on the border without formally settling it because such agreements allow it to maintain its territorial demands on India and improve the military infrastructure on its side, even as they impose restraints on India to actively challenge China and open it to accusations of a provocative "forward policy" if it seeks to belatedly improve its defensive positions on the ground.

India is being constrained to adjust itself to the realities on the ground that are to its disadvantage


Solution to this is pretty simple, use tunneling machines and build roads & rail network below ground. There are nuclear tunnel boring machines that can bore upto 2-3 kms a day.

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Postby member_20317 » 14 May 2013 14:48

The tunneling costs can be something like 150 million USD per km (~800 Cr INR per km).

Chennai metro plan had it at 300 Cr per km (2010).

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Postby Lalmohan » 14 May 2013 14:50

tunnelling through the mountains with their variety of geological features and problems is a MASSIVE undertaking...
keeping such tunnells functional - another MASSIVE problem

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Postby habal » 14 May 2013 17:12

Nuclear tunnel boring machine concretizes surrounding gravel and rock through extremely high temperatures and does not need any additional work or maintenance. IMHO. It's like those metro tunnel boring machines, but doesn't need to stop for maintenance breaks as often. Compare diesel sub to nuclear sub. Unlike the metro, here trains are not going to pass through 30 times a day, more like 30 times a month. And for that application this is more than sufficient.

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Postby Austin » 14 May 2013 17:14

Seems like Kurshid or in that extension MEA has soft corner for China , looking at his statements made in Dec 2012

We must accept China in our backyard: Salman Khurshid

Speaking at a conference in New Delhi on Monday, Salman Khurshid said: "We will have to accept the new reality of China's presence in many areas that we consider an exclusive playground for India and its friends.

"China for instance would give a right arm to be in the Indian Ocean as comfortably as India is placed in the Indian Ocean... this is an important critical factor for what we will see as the emerging Asian century," he said.

"China is aggressive. China is a partner for us. China is a neighbour for us... the real creativity in India's foreign policy will come in being able to combine the strengths of China with the strengths of India," he said.

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Postby habal » 14 May 2013 17:15

Did he take vaseline with him.

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Postby kish » 14 May 2013 18:32

India’s (non-)Response in Ladakh

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China’s intentions are very clear: to shift the Line of Actual Control gradually to the south, deeper into Indian territory, little by little. If there is no resistance from the Indian side they will attain their objective without firing a single shot and without suffering a single casualty. The incursions will continue, the area under Chinese occupation will continue to expand. They have already done so in the Chip Chap and Skakjung areas in Ladakh. In September last year, helicopter-borne Chinese troops entered the Chumar area in Ladakh, destroyed some Indian bunkers and then went back.

Meanwhile, in Ladakh, the Chinese are reinforcing their positions, there is a regular convoy of PLA trucks bringing supplies to the troops stationed in the camps. The three service chiefs have already briefed the Prime Minister and the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) about the Ladakh situation and the nature of the threat it poses to India. Their advice to the government is clear and terse: get tough with the Chinese and get out of the “1962 mindset” because India’s armed forces are no longer in the condition they were half-a-century ago in 1962. The Army chief has given another option to the government, namely, (allow us to) choke the Chinese supply lines to the present China-occupied positions in eastern Ladakh. But the Manamohan Singh Government is chary of doing anything that may provoke China, widening and escalating the conflict. This New Delhi is determined to avoid at all costs—even at the cost of India’s territorial integrity.

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Postby RamaY » 14 May 2013 18:46

Treachery is being passed as statesmanship.

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Postby prahaar » 14 May 2013 19:42

I think the Chinese incursion also has to do with the strong distaste of China and its policies by Shri Rahul Gandhi, it might seem like a inconsequential speech in India, but outsiders were listening to it carefully. MEA is doing fire-fighting after RG's foot-in-mouth about China when explaining the problems in India.

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Postby Klaus » 14 May 2013 19:53

Even at such high costs, the Indian defense budget can allow for 130-140 kms of tunnels per year in the Ladakh area alone. India needs this infrastructure if it has to remain relevant in Asia. Increasing the defense budget in lieu of these developments and subsequent production of tunneling equipment should be seen as an investment in the indigenous MIC.

Ultimately, UAV's or UCAV's do not enable holding of the ground following aerial bombardment and annulment of enemy assets.

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Postby pentaiah » 14 May 2013 20:06

In playing ear games one should not kill the accountant within us
Even unkil is unable to fence the border because of cost
Make the cost for the enemy high

Stay right near gulf and intercept every PRC merchant ship
Would much better for understand ing bee tween neighbors

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Postby Baikul » 14 May 2013 20:32

Austin wrote:Seems like Kurshid or in that extension MEA has soft corner for China , looking at his statements made in Dec 2012

We must accept China in our backyard: Salman Khurshid

Speaking at a conference in New Delhi on Monday, Salman Khurshid said: "We will have to accept the new reality of China's presence in many areas that we consider an exclusive playground for India and its friends.

"China for instance would give a right arm to be in the Indian Ocean as comfortably as India is placed in the Indian Ocean... this is an important critical factor for what we will see as the emerging Asian century," he said.

"China is aggressive. China is a partner for us. China is a neighbour for us... the real creativity in India's foreign policy will come in being able to combine the strengths of China with the strengths of India," he said.


And these are our leaders?

To call it disgusting would be an understatement.

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Postby Prem » 15 May 2013 02:17

Economic issues to be priority of Li's 1-week trip

Li's Pi to Mark The Tee will Singh No See Jee

Premier Li Keqiang on Sunday will kick off his first overseas trip since taking office, going to India, Pakistan, Switzerland and Germany during a weeklong tour that ends on May 27.The announcement came days after China and India ended a three-week border standoff, which was soon followed by both sides' commitment to develop relations during Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid's visit to Beijing last week.It also came immediately after former Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif claimed victory in the country's elections as unofficial results suggest a big lead for his party.Li will exchange ideas with Singh and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari as well as other political leaders to bring China's relations with the two countries to a higher level "in the new era", Hong said.
China, as an "all-feather fang", supports Pakistan's efforts to safeguard stability and promote development, Hong said. The appropriate resolution of the most recent China-India border issue again shows the two sides' commitment to solving such problems through friendly consultations and to maintain border tranquility before a deal is made, the spokesman said.Fu Xiaoqiang, an expert on South Asian studies at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, said Li's visit will map out a relatively specific blueprint for the development of China's relations with the two South Asian countries in the next five to 10 years.China regards India as a power it can cooperate with, especially in the economic sphere and coordination over international affairs, Fu said. "Neither of them will let the border issue upset booming trade and relations that have improved over the last couple of decades," he added.The two countries are founding members of the BRICS group of developing economies and have increasingly close economic relations. China is now India's biggest trading partner, with two-way trade jumping from $5 billion in 2002 to nearly $75 billion in 2011.

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Postby RamaY » 15 May 2013 03:04

I hope PIC (Pak-India-China) do not settle cashmere issue in such a way that Muslim Cashmere goes to Pakis and Buddhist Cashmere goes to China and Hindu Cashmere goes to India and bring everlasting peace to subcontinent and making southasia nuke free zone.

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Postby Philip » 15 May 2013 04:38

Where is the loyal patriotic Opposition,protesting at "Leaky's'" visit ,the planned street demos,etc.? The Opposition too must put its money in its mouth and travel beyond the usual political rhetoric,on and off the media.If we really want to confront China,it must begin in every Indian by not buying anything Chinese...if one can avoid it.Spread the word at your workplace,educate your friends and colleagues,pass the message round,write to your Minister,MPs,etc.,every positive action first.

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Postby member_23629 » 15 May 2013 07:43

'India preparing for a possible two-front war with Pak, China'
Beijing: India continues to view Pakistan as the "real threat" even though it is adjusting its military strategy to include the possibility of a limited two-front war with both Pakistan and China, the first Blue Book on India published by a Chinese think tank said.

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Postby RamaY » 15 May 2013 07:57

^ India or Indian army? What constitutes a war, intruding for 20km or 300km or taking over Delhi?

I think it is better for IA/MoD to NOT make any statements for at least 2 decades and focus on growing their capabilities. And be like Hanuma (chuchirammanina kalchivachenu - when sent to look for Sita, he went and gutted Lanka) and wait for the right moment, and do what is necessary when the political bosses give a little nod.

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Postby Bade » 15 May 2013 08:24

Remember the statement by the DM during NDA regime on China, and how quickly it was all retracted by others and cast as only a personal opinion of the DM. Do not expect any kind of public statement which chastises China from either side of the political divide. There is money to be made with trade with China unlike with Pakistan.

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Postby RamaY » 15 May 2013 08:28

Sir our trade balance with china is -$20b+. Who is making money? We get cheap imitations in return. India would do better if it stops this trade nonsense and instead use that money to encourage industry and innovation in india.

India goes begging for $10-20b projects but doesn't blink when it's trade balance is -$100b. That is the trademark of this nations leadership.
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Postby Bade » 15 May 2013 08:32

That does not preclude individuals from making money, no ? I agree there is nothing much to be gained by this so called Chindia whatever and dreaming it up as some counter-poise to bad western influences on India.

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Postby rajrang » 15 May 2013 12:51

Austin wrote:Seems like Kurshid or in that extension MEA has soft corner for China , looking at his statements made in Dec 2012

We must accept China in our backyard: Salman Khurshid

Speaking at a conference in New Delhi on Monday, Salman Khurshid said: "We will have to accept the new reality of China's presence in many areas that we consider an exclusive playground for India and its friends.

"China for instance would give a right arm to be in the Indian Ocean as comfortably as India is placed in the Indian Ocean... this is an important critical factor for what we will see as the emerging Asian century," he said.
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"China is aggressive. China is a partner for us. China is a neighbour for us... the real creativity in India's foreign policy will come in being able to combine the strengths of China with the strengths of India," he said.


I cannot imagine any Indian Cabinet Minister since independence pontificating like Mr. Khurshid above. This is more like a professor with pro-China leanings or a Pak leader or some character like Henry Kissinger. Someone must remind him of his job description.

For decades Indian leaders had the guts to oppose Western naval presence in the Indian Ocean, tell the US to get out of Vietnam etc. Now Mr. Khurshid is warmly inviting China into the Indian Ocean.

The only relatively tough and honest cabinet minister in India seems to be AKA. He might make a very good PM! Sorry this may be OT.

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Re: India-China War 2013 - Trigger: Incursion into India

Postby rohitvats » 15 May 2013 13:42

Over last couple of days, I’ve had some thoughts on this LAC business. Please bear with me:

1.The status as obtained today on LAC is perfectly acceptable to Chinese. It accrues multiple advantages to them. First and foremost, the Chinese have bound India in multiple treaties since early 90s which are euphemistically aimed at better border and associated conflict management. In addition to these treaties, we have various working groups on border dispute and other such stuff. What these treaties do is create a false of normalcy and preserve a status quo which is advantageous to the Chinese. Chinese have steadfastly refused to share maps of their claim line or their perception of where the LAC lies. This ambiguity suits the Chinese and allows them to calibrate their actions as per the requirement.

For example, the Chinese can always claim an area which gives them military advantage (or puts us in tight spot) as per latest developments on the ground. These areas may well have not been there in claim lines of 1956 or 1960. There was a report in TOI about Chinese laying claim to certain grazing areas which were with Indian earlier. The latest incident in DBO is in same vein. On the other hand, India has gained nothing by way of these treaties. These treaties have led India on a wild goose chase where we have been made to think that these interim treaties and working groups are precursor to final border settlement. In my opinion, nothing could be farther from truth.

2.Another very big advantage of these treaties and false sense of normalcy is in terms of force commitment levels on the ground. Chinese can get away by committing bare number of troops upfront along the LAC. These Border Defense Regiments are there to simply to show the Chinese flag and carry out the border patrols. Their patrols and violations of LAC (as perceived by us) help to keep the pot boiling and keep the Chinese claims in a dynamic state.

In our effort to not rock the boat and maintain the façade of normalcy (which Indian diplomatic and political establishment believes in), we’ve reciprocated by getting the ITBP to man the border. And keep Indian Army as far away as possible from LAC. This approach allows the Chinese to get away by keeping bare number of troops on the ground.

3.There is another far more serious angle to this method of border management and false sense of normalcy. We know that Chinese have a geographical advantage in terms of their lines of communication being based on the flat Tibetan Plateau. Now, what the Chinese have done is use this ‘peace’ period to build up the infrastructure which will allow the formations to move quickly into conflict areas along the LAC. Unlike us, Chinese do not suffer from last mile connectivity.

We on the other hand have made no effort to build any worthwhile infrastructure of any kind. Tomorrow, if the push comes to shove, the Chinese can move large body of troops into these areas and stare down at us. And we’d be found wanting. The tragedy of the situation is that in case of India, the base to support a large scale conflict in Ladakh exists much closer to LAC. Leh is the center of gravity and apart from threat of missiles, is ringed by high mountain ranges which prevent any direct threat to it. What we’ve not done however, is to develop infra from this base to forward areas. Leh is the proverbial knot of a Japanese fan from where communication axis emanate to each of the four major sectors along Ladakh LAC.

Now, the Chinese want us to stop development of any infra of this sort and permanently put us on a back-foot. If we develop the road infra from this base to forward areas, we can actually go one up on the Chinese. For example, while we can play the Chinese games of maintaining lower number of troops on LAC, in case of any conflict/tension/shooting match, we can move forces faster to the border. This would be reverse of what we face against Pakistan on western border. We should have demonstrated capability of hitting out and wiping Chinese presence along Ladakh LAC and taking back Indian Territory. The forces can be maintain in rear areas and using the infrastructure, moved to LAC in double speed and whack the PLA. For example, an Integrated Battle Group (IBG) centered on a RAPID with an armored bde should be available to dash to Dhemchok and drive the PLA back to their rear bases.

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Re: India-China War 2013 - Trigger: Incursion into India

Postby Aaryan » 15 May 2013 13:44

As I said earlier the Chinese are playing it very intelligently.. They won’t exchange maps so we don’t know where they stand. This way they can shift the goal post easily. Today they can claim as ‘X’ area to be disputed tomorrow it will be ‘Y’.. This way they can engulf a lot of territory without any resistance .. Rise of China will never be a peaceful event for the world.. China is basically an expansionist country.. Almost 300 years ago China was basically one third of its current size.. N if we look at Map of India currently its size is roughly equivalent to one third of what it was almost 300 years ago.. So we have shrunk to 33% of what we were 300 years ago and China has ballooned 300% in same time period.. Also I would like to mention that I personally think that it suits our current establishment to create a monster out of China.. There is psy ops from our side which tell our people how strong china is or how strong their infrastructure is.. Or how they are better then us in this and that.. This way they create a feeling of us being inferior to China.. And once this feeling of us being inferior to China sinks down in our Psyche it will be easier for the government and establishment to take soft stand against China.. After all if we think that China is much stronger than us, how can be demand a strong stand and strong action against China.. I will give an example of how government plays with us.. They tell us that this DBO incident is a localized matter and just an acne on beautiful face.. They also tell us that incursions are routine matter as there is a difference of perception.. What they don’t tell us is there is no LAC from China side, also what they don’t tell us is this is the 1st time after 1986 where Chinese came and stayed in our territory.. Earlier they use to come and go.. This time they stayed and forced us to bend… But again as they tell us, dragon is much more mighty then elephant.. So how can we take a strong action… :-? :( :(


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