Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 12 Jul 2013 01:01

The Plump Patriotic Pakistani Awards
NADEEM F. PARACHA


Ram,Ram,Dawn is going Saffron

Welcome people to the ceremony of the first Plump Patriotic Pakistani Awards (PPPA, also called the Papas).
Today, we hand out this new award to all those patriots who have continued to make sure that Pakistan remains to be hailed as the greatest bastion of faith, feistiness and froth.
I, Zion Warhead Hamid, am proud to host the first installment of these awards that would turn sissy, imperialist events like the Oscars into Zionist dust!
So, good looking patriotic ladies who only nod to what I say and kung-fu black belt gentlemen who rightly believe Bruce Lee was mysteriously murdered because he had decided to convert to Islam, let’s begin this glorious ceremony. Please stand up for the national anthem!Pakistan national anthem (in Arabic)Alhamdulillah! We finally have an anthem in our own language. Okay, now please welcome my co-host for the evening, Mr. Wali Razzmatazz

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby r_subramanian » 12 Jul 2013 04:54

The recent bbc2 newsnight program on Altaf Hussain available on youtube.
Url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftnjhCbD ... 7lD2Dr8IPY

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Anujan » 12 Jul 2013 05:42

There seems to be an all out assault on Altaf. His offices were raided, a programme on BBC etc. Wonder what Londonistan is getting for this pound of flesh.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Agnimitra » 12 Jul 2013 05:55

Anujan wrote:There seems to be an all out assault on Altaf. His offices were raided, a programme on BBC etc. Wonder what Londonistan is getting for this pound of flesh.

India should use this opportunity to ask the UK to go after India-focused terror orgs also. The recent attack on Brar is still fresh cause.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 12 Jul 2013 06:03

Anujan wrote:There seems to be an all out assault on Altaf. His offices were raided, a programme on BBC etc. Wonder what Londonistan is getting for this pound of flesh.


Deja vu!
Exactly this was done to him by Nawaz in Pre Mush time frame. Altaf bhai need to join Sindhi,Baluchi natioanalistic elements if he want to survive.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 12 Jul 2013 06:07

Nawaz visits ISI HQ, briefed on security situation

Shaqal Cannot Hide GUBO Ka Duksh

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif was briefed on the overall security situation in Pakistan during a four-hour long visit to the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) headquarters on Thursday, DawnNews reported.This was Sharif’s first visit to the country’s leading spy agency after assuming the office of prime minister. He was accompanied by Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali khan and Punjab Chief Minster Shahbaz Sharif.Director General ISI Lt-Gen Zaheerul Islam briefed the government delegation on security and counter-terrorism strategy of the agency.The prime minister was also briefed separately in private.Meanwhile, PM Sharif apprised the intelligence officials over national security and counter-terrorism policies of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government. He urged to increase civil-military cooperation for eradication of terrorism. Annihilation of terrorism is the top most priority of the government, he added.According to TV reports, a new security policy and future course of action in this regard also came into discussion between the premier and military officials.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 12 Jul 2013 06:20

When Ramazan became Ramadan: Our infatuation with Arab culture


http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18102 ... b-culture/
I grew up in a time when we called this Islamic month ‘Ramazan.’ It was not a conscious choice, just what the grandparents and elders called it and we were happy in following their legacy. We were also taught that when saying goodbye we should say ‘Khuda Hafiz’ and some families which had immigrated from Uttar Pradesh in India, including mine, were more inclined towards ‘adaab’ as a mode of greeting than salaam.It started changing in the 80s with the PTV news anchor saying ‘Allah Hafiz’ at the end of the program. Some people did notice and talked about it but it was a military dictatorship and the man in charge was a known zealot. ‘It’s a passing trend’, was the general refrain. It was thought that things would go back once the dictatorship was over. How wrong they were.
Why would Sibtain Ahmed, my great-grandfather, a marsiya poet and reciter of some repute, close associate of orator and scholar Rasheed Turabi and as religious a man as anyone I have seen, insist on this ‘blasphemous’ greeting even after immigrating to the ‘Bastion of Islam’ (read Pakistan). For that matter were the ancestors of these objectors decadent, blasphemous, and possibly in cahoots with Hindu extremists? Was my best friend’s grandfather working with the RSS or the VHP? Did they offer human sacrifices for pagan gods? :eek: ( is he Talking about Abraham Knifing his own son to please his god) Who can tell in these times?
So we had been mispronouncing these words all these centuries.‘Yes’, is the prompt response I receive along with a lecture about how better things are now.And were savants such as Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Maulana Azad, Nazeer Ahmed, Ghalib, et al also culpable to mispronunciations and astray from the true path? They were I am told.So here we stand; our ancestors were wrong, the thinkers and intellectuals were wrong, the religious leaders were wrong and they are all morally, culturally and linguistically inferior to that PTV newscaster.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby deepan gill » 12 Jul 2013 06:51

Agnimitra wrote:
Anujan wrote:There seems to be an all out assault on Altaf. His offices were raided, a programme on BBC etc. Wonder what Londonistan is getting for this pound of flesh.

India should use this opportunity to ask the UK to go after India-focused terror orgs also. The recent attack on Brar is still fresh cause.


Jai Ramji Ki Agnimitra,

Can you please advise how a law and order issue, an assault by sick individuals on an old man and old lady become a terror issue? If Javed Miandad is smacked in India because of his anti-India stance, would it warrant Pakistan to consider it as an act of terror? Frankly misguided 3rd Generation of Sikhs in US, Canada and UK are Khalistani, whether its cosmetics or they actually know the idea of it, I dont know, but would UK go after its own citizens for India???

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby arun » 12 Jul 2013 07:16

Tariq Ali in the Guardian on the leaked Abbottabad Commission Report : “The tone may sound honest, but the notion that Bin Laden entered Pakistan in 2002 without the ISI's knowledge is risible”:

Pakistan's Osama bin Laden report is more cover-up than self-criticism

the report is to exonerate the intelligence agencies by effectively accepting the official version that the ISI and the Federal Investigation Agency were unaware of Bin Laden's presence in the country.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby arun » 12 Jul 2013 07:43

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

Apparent case of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the first day of the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan sees the demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan targeting a Mosque:

Remote-controlled blast: Explosion outside mosque kills two in Kohat

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 12 Jul 2013 08:12

Who spilled the beans?

Agencies investigate who spilled the beans

Embarrassed by the startling revelations made in the leaked version of the OBL Commission Report, military and civilian intelligence agencies have started investigating whether the document was passed on to a media organisation by one of the Commission members, or by those involved in preparing the draft.
the version uploaded on the news organisation’s website is without the signatures of the members
it was the second draft written after the first failed to elicit a consensus
So a third version was written which was agreed by all commission members save for one.


Wonder what the first draft had to claim? It would be worth the paper it was written on.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 12 Jul 2013 08:22

No More Jirgas!

SC calls for vigilance against Jirga system

The Supreme Court ordered law-enforcement agencies on Thursday to remain vigilant and take swift and strict action to ensure that girls and women were not exchanged to settle local disputes through the Jirga system.
On Thursday the court took up a July 6 incident of wani where a Jirga in village Bangla Gabool, 5km from Rajanpur, had ordered one Noor Hassan either to give the hands of his three sisters along with Rs1 million to the victim family in marriage for killing Mukhtar Hussain or undertake a test of being submerged in water for a considerable time. Otherwise, the opponents would be free to kill him in revenge, the Jirga said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby vivek_ahuja » 12 Jul 2013 08:37

Yeager in Pakistan, 1971

Pakistan in 1971 encompassed both the present-day country and the more populous East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. The country's two wings were separated by a thousand miles of Indian territory and amassive cultural barrier. From its inception, Pakistan had been ruled by the politicians and soldiers of the West Wing, whose view of their Eastern compatriots was best expressed to me by a Pakistani general:"Our East Wing, you see, is a low-lying country inhabited by . . . heh, heh . . . low, lying people.


Back in Islamabad, we at the embassy were increasingly preoccupied with the deepening crisis. Meetings became more frequent and more tense. The ambassador fulminated against our consulate in Dhaka, EastPakistan's capital, for reporting to the State Department the enormity of the slaughter. We argued over what we should recommend to Washington, and we were troubled by the complex questions that theconflict raised :!: :?:


Yahya's attack caught the embassy more than normally unprepared. As it happened, Farland's deputy, thecareer officer who had actually been running the embassy, was halfway around the world on along-delayed vacation. Although he rushed back, it was several days before he could reach war-tornIslamabad. Meanwhile, Farland was quite uncomfortable, since he was now in actual, rather thannominal, control of the embassy. Faced with a host of urgent decisions, he sat frozen behind his desk,unable to decide on much of anything (which, in retrospect, turned out to be the best thing to do). Yeager,meanwhile, spent the first hours of the war stalking the embassy corridors like Henry V before Agincourt,snarling imprecations at the Indians and assuring anyone who would listen that the Pakistani army would be in New Delhi within a week.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Rohit_K » 12 Jul 2013 09:17

Commando Complex
The same evening, Musharraf and I happened to be sitting next to each other at small private dinner. His observation about the Taliban fresh in my mind, I asked him, "Do you, Sir, really believe in what you said about the Taliban during your talk?" "Don't you?", he countered.

"Not quite after the damage they did to Afghanistan. Having made a mess of their country, far worse than what it had been under the Soviet invasion and subsequent occupation for nearly a whole decade".

He smiled and with an unmistakable touch of irony said, "Sir the Taliban are my strategic reserve and I can unleash them in tens of thousands against India when I want..."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby svinayak » 12 Jul 2013 09:26

From 1971 to 1973, at the behest of Ambassador Joe Farland, Yeager was assigned to Pakistan to advise the Pakistan Air Force.[21] During the Indo-Pakistan War, Yeager reputedly provided an assessment that the Pakistani Army would be in New Delhi within a week.[22] During the combat, Yeager's twin-engined Beechcraft liaison aircraft was destroyed in an Indian air raid on the Chaklala Airbase by then Lieutenant and later India's Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash. Yeager was reportedly incensed and demanded U.S. retaliation.[23]

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Baikul » 12 Jul 2013 09:26

anupmisra wrote:No More Jirgas!
.....................where a Jirga in village Bangla Gabool, 5km from Rajanpur, had ordered one Noor Hassan either to give the hands of his three sisters along with Rs1 million to the victim family in marriage for killing Mukhtar Hussain or undertake a test of being submerged in water for a considerable time. Otherwise, the opponents would be free to kill him in revenge, the Jirga said.


My advice to Mian Noor would be keep his sisters at home, Lahore-via-Kuwait, how else will is he expected to get married?

Noora should submerge himself in water 'for a considerable time', reciting 'Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya' 786 times and the 'Quami Tarana' once. Guaranteed to survive, and since he is in water he can re-invent the water car in the duration.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 12 Jul 2013 09:46

Baikul wrote:[quote="anupmisraNoora should submerge himself in water 'for a considerable time', reciting 'Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya' 786 times and the 'Quami Tarana' once. Guaranteed to survive, and since he is in water he can re-invent the water car in the duration.

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Paqqistani Aise Bande Hum, Khatte Bolte hai siraf islamist Gandh
Jub Bhi indian sey Hua Saamna ,Parra Downhil Skie Bhaagna
Nahi Paoq Mush mey Itna Dumm, Muqabla Karle Indian se hum
Incest mey Challe,begging sey Palle ,Nahi Hai Inko Koi Sharam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Philip » 12 Jul 2013 13:16

Do we still need saving?
Aasim Sajjad Akhtar

http://dawn.com/news/1028428/do-we-stil ... toryPage=2
Updated 2013-07-12

LO and behold, the report issued by the rather drably-named Abbottabad Commission has finally made it into the public domain.

That its findings have been revealed to us civilian hordes circuitously via Al Jazeera’s website rather than by way of an official release is hardly surprising. Why, after all, would our holy guardians want to trouble us with the details of their innumerable sacrifices in the greater national interest?

Those who we elect to represent us, on the other hand, are generally keener to keep the public abreast of goings on, even if only due to the compulsions of democratic politics.

In the case of the Abbottabad Commission, however, parliamentarians of all stripes chose to remain mum. It should not be forgotten that the report was compiled and handed over to then prime minister Raja Pervez Ashraf in January.

It is a little more than disingenuous for mainstream politicians to be waxing lyrical about the matter on talk shows now after so many months of silence.

Having said this, politicians — or at least those who harbour some contradictions vis-à-vis the men in khaki — have a legitimate axe to grind. They have suffered the brunt of public criticism for all of this country’s problems for the best part of six decades. And all the while the generals and brigadiers busy saving the country from its own people have continued to make merry.

Yet neither politicians nor anyone else in this country who has struggled for the cause of democracy should be feeling particularly smug reading the Abbottabad Commission report.

Even if it is pleasantly unusual for the men in khaki to be called to account for their countless abominations, the commission members have offered no practicable suggestions about how to cut the military establishment down to size.

Let us not forget that it has been almost 40 years since the Hamoodur Rahman Commission completed its inquiry into the military’s conduct in erstwhile East Pakistan and presented a report to prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto which was arguably much more scathing than the Abbottabad Commission report appears to be.

At the very least Justice Hamoodur Rahman and his colleagues openly identified the uniformed perpetrators of state terror against Bengali civilians, a course of action that Justice Javed Iqbal and his brothers in arms have studiously avoided.

Yet even if the military was knocked off its perch for a short while in the early 1970s, it had very much re-established itself as top dog in Pakistan even before Gen Zia toppled the Bhutto government.

The Hamoodur Rahman Commission was powerless to stop the coup or the subsequent militarisation of state and society.

The Abbottabad Commission report too is likely to become another footnote of history. Already the hawks are out doing what they did in the immediate aftermath of the May 2 raid that confirmed both the presence and demise of Osama bin Laden.



At that time they diverted attention from the fact of the military’s patronage of jihad by raising a hue and cry about the ease with which the Americans entered Pakistan and got their man; on this occasion they are raising the spectre of NGOs purportedly facilitating the intrigue of Western spy agencies.

The brutal truth is that the so-called civil-military balance in this country is not about to change all that quickly. What the Abbottabad Commission report confirms is that our holy guardians still exercise a virtual monopoly over most significant affairs of state, and — perhaps more importantly — feel entitled to maintain this monopoly and ruthlessly punish any civilian entity that dares challenge it.

For their part, our mainstream parties have still not made a definitive commitment to taking on the men in khaki in full public view. Yes they pick a fight here and there, but do so all too often behind closed doors and while still adhering to the retrogressive statist slogans that function as the military’s raison d’être.

Ultimately something will have to give. The world is changing too fast for an army to retain the kind of power that ours continues to possess. The question, as ever, is what price Pakistani society will collectively have to pay for the military to beat a decisive retreat. We are a people already brutalised by political violence, much of it perpetrated by the state. How much more can we possibly take?

My feeling is that neither the military nor society at large has yet reached the threshold point. In a sense this means that things will have to get worse before they get better. In fact I believe that the men in khaki actually abide by a simple strategy: either we rule the roost or we make sure that enough chaos comes to pass that no one else can.

Some important constituencies in this country, including a certain brand of progressives, believes that we should consider standing in solidarity with dominant imperial centres because only the latter can do the needful and put us on the right track. Lest we forget too soon, imperial powers have stood by the military for most of the country’s existence.

It is time we stopped obsessing about external actors, whether we believe that they have evil designs on Pakistan or to the contrary if we perceive them to be liberators.

Imperial powers, and capital more generally, will do what they do. When push comes to shove, it is ordinary people inside this country that are going to have to say loud and clear that they neither want saving nor will they continue to tolerate the military’s dominance.

In the peripheries, resistance has been ongoing for decades. This is why it is time for the Punjabi heartland to stand up and be counted. More of the same is simply not good enough anymore.

The writer teaches at Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 12 Jul 2013 16:46

Nawaz Sharif gets ISI's 'inputs' on new security policy - DT
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Thursday walked up to the headquarters of Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency to get their ‘input’ on new ‘national security policy’ the PML-N government is in the process of giving final touches to. . . “The prime minister is chief of the intelligence agency and he has every right to visit its office and ask about its performance, especially when the country is facing a number of internal as well as external challenges,”

So, Mian saheb went to Aabpara. Mohammed went to the mountain. Mian saheb is said to believe that only economic progress can tackle terrorism. A good thinking, but in an Islamist country riddled to the core with sectarianism, jihadism and an obsession with kafir nations, the overriding priority cannot be economics.

By the way, the Express Tribune says that this is the very first visit by a Pakistani PM to ISI HQ. Benazir was not allowed inside Kahuta. Understandable.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Baikul » 12 Jul 2013 19:01

Jhujar wrote:For Noora
Paqqistani Aise Bande Hum, Khatte Bolte hai siraf islamist Gandh
Jub Bhi indian sey Hua Saamna ,Parra Downhil Skie Bhaagna
Nahi Paoq Mush mey Itna Dumm, Muqabla Karle Indian se hum
Incest mey Challe,begging sey Palle ,Nahi Hai Inko Koi Sharam.


Wah sir, it even has the same cadence, if not the same number of syllables.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Rangudu » 12 Jul 2013 21:37

Link

Interesting - Hamid Gul now says that TSP should be proud abt being able to hide OBL for several years.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby KLNMurthy » 12 Jul 2013 21:42

deepan gill wrote:
Can you please advise how a law and order issue, an assault by sick individuals on an old man and old lady become a terror issue? If Javed Miandad is smacked in India because of his anti-India stance, would it warrant Pakistan to consider it as an act of terror? Frankly misguided 3rd Generation of Sikhs in US, Canada and UK are Khalistani, whether its cosmetics or they actually know the idea of it, I dont know, but would UK go after its own citizens for India???


Anyone who knows who Brar was and why he was attacked would say that the attack on him was terrorism. "old man and old lady?" really? Is this how you refer to Gen. and Mrs. Brar?

Let us learn to stay away from the logic of "they" won't do such and such for humble little us anyway, so why should we bother? That's not the point. The idea of demanding that UQ act against the attackers of Brar is to keep UQ and all our other adversaries constantly on the backfoot.

"ek dhakka aur."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Lilo » 12 Jul 2013 22:58

Rangudu wrote:Link

Interesting - Hamid Gul now says that TSP should be proud abt being able to hide OBL for several years.


Mushy wrote: Gull Saheb, now you know how i feel ... !!

I protected my mush for 40 years before it was raped in 1987 (figuratively ofcourse) on the lonely Saltoro ridge. Then i protected it for 18 years before it was raped (figuratively again) in Kargil.

After i had "protected it" for 57 years, on a "dark moonless night" Armitage paid me a visit and raped it (finally this time physically and painfully). Yet i wasnt depressed because i knew that i had "protected it" for 57 years and like a good gandu was proud about it in the end.

Lets raise a toast to our mutual success.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby partha » 12 Jul 2013 23:40

Malala UN speech:

Did Paki press ignore her invocation of Gandhi in their reports?! I did not find any mention of that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jul 2013 00:21

Did we miss this India-Pakistan Dangal in 2011?


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Amber G. » 13 Jul 2013 01:04

Rangudu wrote:Link


Interesting - Hamid Gul now says that TSP should be proud abt being able to hide OBL for several years.

Speechless!
OTOH .... didn't he say something to the effect that credit should not go to Pakistan.. I mean it was just the
biggest strategic blunder by Obama....The victory just fell into Paki lap.. :eek:

Osama bin Laden's Death: Obama's Biggest Mistake?
Former Pakistan Intel Chief Hamid Gul [said} .. from a triumph, Osama bin Laden’s killing was a strategic blunder for the U.S.—and the consequences will be dire, he tells Ron Moreau.


In any case, i is simply incredible the kind of chiefs ISI has (or had..) :eek:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Amber G. » 13 Jul 2013 02:20

From FP.com

Willful Ignorants

Pakistan’s leaked bin Laden report proves that the country’s vaunted spy agency is either shockingly inept or duplicitous. Or both.
Few more tidbits:
"Everyone, including the United States, thought Osama bin Laden was no longer alive." That was the explanation senior Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officials gave when asked how the world's most-wanted man had eluded them

At times literary in its retelling :) .. Bin Laden was found in an expansive three-story home -- complete with 18-foot walls topped with barbed wire -- situated less than a mile from Kakul, the country's top military academy.
....why it never came under suspicion so close to the Kakul academy. Pakistan's top military officials, constant targets of al Qaeda and the Taliban, must have passed by the home on a regular basis. Surely, someone in charge of their security detail must have made a mental note to look into what paranoid Pakistani lived in that fortress.

The house had four separate electricity and gas connections, an illegal third story, and its walls were well beyond the maximum height allowed by the cantonment, the military housing scheme the house was situated in. The owners also never paid their taxes, and bin Laden's two handlers, brothers Ibrahim and Abrar, used fabricated identities. All of this should have raised red flags -- except that Pakistan ....

Of course, authorities simply cannot check everyone all the time....it is the poor who are disproportionately stopped -- the rickshaw driver, the day laborer on a bicycle, the tired student going home on a motorcycle at the end of a long day.


Ibrahim's wife Maryam, who was extensively quoted in the commission's report, recalls that her wedding party took place at KSM's home in Karachi. Bin Ladin's wife Amal attended the party, and the pair travelled together to Peshawar, where they met up with a clean-shaven Osama bin Laden and another man dressed in a police uniform. From there, they went to Swat, where they lived for six to eight months, and bin Laden was apparently confident enough to go to the bazaar with his family
KSM visited them in 2003, bringing his family along and staying for two weeks. A month later, he was picked up in Rawalpindi in a joint U.S.-Pakistani operation. The bin Ladens split up after KSM's arrest, meeting later in the small city of Haripur, where they lived in a relatively small home for two years. Amal gave birth to two children in a local hospital..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 13 Jul 2013 02:49

Does Pakistan have a future?

Just imagine if a comatose patient close to you was in the intensive care unit and despite every attempt to revive him, you keep getting reports of organ failure. You have changed many doctors, medicines, methods, even hospitals, but nothing bears fruit. What do you do next? While you pray for the patient, you slowly start convincing yourself to plan for the funeral.[b]

Many compare Pakistan’s present sorry state with the plight of this patient. [b]One minute Osama bin Laden is caught, the next terrorists are blowing themselves in order to kill as many of us as possible.
Then, there are reports of drone attacks, targeted attacks on foreigners, an economy in blues, the Abbottabad Commission Report leak and the BBC report on the MQM and its chief. Pakistan’s integrity then is like a military academy. Parts of it keep passing out. Does it have any future then?

When the Hamoodur Rehman Commission Report was published by an Indian newspaper without being officially declassified in Pakistan, there was a lot of hue and cry. Every state has some secrets and the right to keep them, or so it is believed. But that was then. Now, when the Abbottabad Commission’s pearls of wisdom are leaked to a foreign news channel, should we be worried? Perhaps, a state’s power is not in question here. It has more to do with the relationship between new technologies, a state’s inability to master them and a workforce that can revolt anytime. Those responsible for leaking the report should be found out and punished (I say it out of pure spite. Hey, they could have sold the report to a Pakistani media organisation, but no, they had to leak it to a foreign group). But those who kept the report a secret should also be questioned. The magnus opus created by the Commission hardly merits such secrecy.

The economy again seems a big reason behind our state’s gradual meltdown. When you don’t have money, you start failing in every area of governance. Fortunately, for us, the current government and the opposition have a good understanding of the situation and hence are focusing mainly on the economy. Meanwhile, Pakistan has reached an agreement with the IMF. And while everybody keeps saying that the IMF can only create more trouble and never offer solutions, this government seems confident that this time it will work.

Pakistan’s territorial integrity and unstable democracy are often identified as a few more areas of concern. While it is true that there are two insurgencies going on in the country and Balochistan’s situation is reaching a critical level, simultaneously, there is an effort to win back the parties that want separation. The process hasn’t started yet and there is huge resistance from the status quo forces within the province but even this can be resolved. Also, it must be pointed out that Balochistan is not like East Pakistan where there wasn’t any geographical contiguity. The situation is not yet beyond repair.

Should the biggest worry then be about the war on terror? We have fought this war for over a decade and without a road map. We have to worry about its outcome and the fact that even the outcome can have a long-lasting impact. The government, our deep state and the opposition need to work together to find a solution. Imran Khan’s decision to leave the country at a time when the government wanted to bring all stakeholders on one table to try to find a solution is not encouraging. But if that changes, a focus on finding solutions will help this country a lot.

As for democracy, I have no doubt that it can take care of itself. We have been worrying for no reason. So, where is the doom and gloom situation? Yes, the current situation is bad but it isn’t life threateningly bad. If we maintain course, our friend will soon come out of coma.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 13 Jul 2013 03:07

Pakistan Taliban 'sets up a base in Syria'. Pakis going global.

The Pakistani Taliban have visited Syria to set up a base and to assess "the needs of the jihad", a Taliban official has told the BBC.
the base was set up with the assistance of ex-Afghan fighters of Middle Eastern origin who have moved to Syria in recent years.
Taliban factions feel that Sunni Muslims, who constitute a majority in Syria, are being oppressed by Syria's predominantly Shia rulers. :eek:
Their presence in the country is likely to have a sectarian motive


No $hit, Sherlock!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Nandu » 13 Jul 2013 04:17

anupmisra wrote:Who spilled the beans?

Agencies investigate who spilled the beans


TFT claims "Mr. Bean". I don't know who that is.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 12&page=32

The rumour mills are working overtime with regard to who leaked the Abbottabad Commission report. They say it's come from Mr Bean's office, via a middling official invoking plausible deniability, "unbeknownst" to his boss. A generally unquoted part of the Al-Jazeera report goes thus: "The Commission investigated the case of Saeed Iqbal, a retired Pakistan Army Lt Colonel who was once assigned to the ISI, who visited one of bin Laden's neighbours as many as three times in the months leading up to the raid. Iqbal was driving a bulletproof vehicle, and took several photographs from the roof of the neighbouring house. Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, then DG ISI, testified that Iqbal had been retired 'on disciplinary grounds' and had established a private security business. He 'disappeared' according to the ISI, two days after the operation to kill bin Laden on May 1, 2011. His profile according to Lt-Gen Pasha 'matched that of a likely CIA recruit'."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby sadhana » 13 Jul 2013 04:50

Nandu wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Who spilled the beans?

Agencies investigate who spilled the beans


TFT claims "Mr. Bean". I don't know who that is.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 12&page=32

The rumour mills are working overtime with regard to who leaked the Abbottabad Commission report. They say it's come from Mr Bean's office, via a middling official invoking plausible deniability, "unbeknownst" to his boss. A generally unquoted part of the Al-Jazeera report goes thus: "The Commission investigated the case of Saeed Iqbal, a retired Pakistan Army Lt Colonel who was once assigned to the ISI, who visited one of bin Laden's neighbours as many as three times in the months leading up to the raid. Iqbal was driving a bulletproof vehicle, and took several photographs from the roof of the neighbouring house. Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, then DG ISI, testified that Iqbal had been retired 'on disciplinary grounds' and had established a private security business. He 'disappeared' according to the ISI, two days after the operation to kill bin Laden on May 1, 2011. His profile according to Lt-Gen Pasha 'matched that of a likely CIA recruit'."



Pak interior minister Nisar Ali Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaudhry_Nisar_Ali_Khan

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Looks like Mr. Bean:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Anujan » 13 Jul 2013 08:39

Previous issue of TFT
Reported in Jang, after PMLN leader Ch Nisar Ali Khan said that MQM was a party of dacoits, MQM’s Haider Raza Naqvi replied that Ch Nisar was a funny bald man who wore a wig and looked like the British moronic comic, Mr Bean. He added that whereas Ch Nisar hid his baldness, his leaders Shehbaz and Nawaz had got themselves new hair through painful transplants abroad.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Baikul » 13 Jul 2013 09:11

Amber G. wrote:
Rangudu wrote:Link

Interesting - Hamid Gul now says that TSP should be proud abt being able to hide OBL for several years.

Speechless!
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There is an expression- "crazy as a $hit house rat", implying that only a crazy rat would live there and/ or any rat that chooses to live there would be drive crazy by the smell.

General Gul has lived in the nation of Paakhanastan for a long time now, and therefore typifies that phrase.

In fact when you listen to their reasoning, their declarations, their logic, they're obviously almost all as crazy as $hit house rats. They were crazy to being with and driven crazier by the smell of where they live.

As another example, see Anujan ji's post, just above this one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Baikul » 13 Jul 2013 09:31

And on a related note, when a military elite of this sorry excuse of a country can term hiding Osama before his ignominious death a 'victory', you can only imagine how they can celebrate the 'glorious' events of 1965 and Kargil. How they claim that India is stealing their natural resources. How they see conspiracy theories everywhere.

And Gul and his ilk can't even be accused of fooling other Pakistanis, when most Pakistanis are more than happy to go along for the ride and believe the same nonsense.

They're almost all crazier than $hit house rats. They have to be to live, otherwise the smell of their existence would kill them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 13 Jul 2013 09:44

Friday disappointment!! I was told Mujahidden take off for a day only after 372 dispatches to Heavenly Mustang Ranch . Bhai, Koi Shia Nahi mill tho Ahmadi pakar ke Asli Islam sey Honor Karro.
July August Ka Mahina Hai Razadan Karrm Ka Mahina
Dekh kei Sunni Jihadi , Nikle Shia ,Ahmadi Ka Paseena
Challis Pachas Na kiye Zibah,Mille Nahi Hoor Haseena !!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby vishal » 13 Jul 2013 10:55

One man pinged the entire Internet & got 460 million responses before he decided to stop. The map shows a few interesting things. Like how Africa is more connected than Pakistan.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/51 ... -internet/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Comer » 13 Jul 2013 12:57

Al Bakistan must be using pure/Baki IPv6. :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_23658 » 13 Jul 2013 14:23

vishal wrote:One man pinged the entire Internet & got 460 million responses before he decided to stop. The map shows a few interesting things. Like how Africa is more connected than Pakistan.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/51 ... -internet/


on a side note, H D Moore is not just any man, he can very well be called the father of pen-testing / vulnerability assessment as it is carried out today. he is the creator of Metasploit framework, used by pen-testers security researchers everywhere. sorry for the OT.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 13 Jul 2013 15:44

Baikul wrote:you can only imagine how they can celebrate the 'glorious' events of 1965 and Kargil....


1971 can be spun as "Our faithful nation forced the unbelievers to feed and house 93,000 faithful momeens free of cost. Suckers!".



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