Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Aug 2013 07:12

From the Indian Express

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Aug 2013 07:17

SBajwa wrote:how many more Jhapads? we have kept on extending our cheeks so that they are now RED!! when will be time to hit back?

No, no..don't talk like that. You're playing into the hands of extremists onlee. This is what their Army wants. We cannot get caught in their game now, can we?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Aug 2013 07:48

SBajwa wrote:how many more Jhapads? we have kept on extending our cheeks so that they are now RED!! when will be time to hit back?

Hit Back!! One Muslim die in the process of eliminating kuffar can make our PM Sahib Neend Haram. Secularism demands that Mai Mughal Singh or GOI soothen and massage every tired blade wielding Islamist wrist used in kiling Kaffirs.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Aug 2013 07:55

Patni wrote:I wonder what compels our defense minister to pick the words that he did, in his statement, when government knew how upset and outraged every true Indian felt at latest act of despicable pakis!

Don't blame the saint.

It was not he but someone dressed like him who made the statement.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2013 07:57

IB alert over ISI cyber-snooping - Sandeep Joshi, The Hindu

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is making full-fledged attempts to infiltrate India’s strategic organisations by spoofing telephone calls and using malware to snoop into crucial websites and systems. Sounding an alert regarding such “espionage” attempts from across the border, the Intelligence Bureau has warned that Pakistan’s intelligence operatives (PIOs) were targeting defence forces’ headquarters and other strategic organisations to collect sensitive information.

“PIOs are frequently targeting government personnel/officers to collect sensitive information through spoofed VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) calls prefixed with the STD code of Delhi…The PIOs have been using the stratagem of calling phone numbers of security forces posing as officers belonging to Army/Navy/Air Force HQ (headquarters) and collecting details about the deployment, movement and other information about security forces,” says an internal note of the IB.

The ISI operatives are also targeting Indian Railways, banks, and serving/retired employees and civil contractors working for Military Engineering Services (MES) to collect sensitive and defence-related information. “They (PIOs) have also been making telephone calls under assumed identities by using spoofed numbers to various CPMFs (central paramilitary forces), railways, banks etc,” the note says.

“They (PIOs) have succeeded in ferreting out sensitive information from the persons attending these calls. IB has been regular in highlighting the stratagem of PIOs using fake identities…,” the note adds. The IB has now asked the Department of Telecom to constitute a high-level technical committee to examine the issue of spoofed calls and find possible solutions that could be implemented in a time-bound manner.

Explaining how the ISI has managed to infiltrate India’s communication networks, the IB note adds: “Using VoIP and computer software to mask the point of origin of their calls, Pakistan’s intelligence operatives have been noticed to be masquerading as senior Indian armed forces officers to contact their targets on the telephone to collect such information.”

The modus operandi involves the use of software by PIOs operating from Pakistan to ensure that the mobile phone of the target displays the incoming call to be originating from a “spoofed” Indian number.

Though these VoIP calls originate outside India, they reflect an Indian-specific CLI (caller line identification). Referring to a recent incident of espionage, the IB note points out that, in February this year, it had sounded an alert regarding possible “contamination of BSNL systems” by the ISI. “This stratagem now appears to have been successfully used by them for a cyber offensive against the subscriber database and communication links of BSNL,” it adds.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Aug 2013 08:17

Peregrine wrote:Bodies of 14 kidnapped passengers found in Balochistan

MACHH: The bodies of 14 out of a total of 30 kidnapped passengers were found from the mountains near Machh in Bolan district, Balochistan Express News reported on Tuesday.

The passengers were on board five buses bound for Rajanpur in Punjab.
Cheers

What is not evident from the Express Tribune article is that this is apparently a case of Freedom fighters fighting for freedom for Balochistan aka Baluchistan from occupation and oppression by the Punjab province dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, target killing “ employees of the army or of other security institutions.”:

BLA guns down 14 abducted passengers

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Aug 2013 08:29

IED Mubarak in Karachi

11 killed at Karachi football match
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23586022
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Four IED Mubaraks at wine shops

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Aug 2013 08:57

Ramanaji dont want to go OT, for power and votes given half a chance Mulayam would gladly sell his dharti maa.Recall how Mulayam had demanded that Atal Behari Vajpayee should give Rs 2,000 Crores to Pakistan.

M.K.Dhar and others have frequently mentioned about how SP leaders have bailed out many ISI agents caught in IB operations!! So, definitely the SP honcho isnt above suspicion!

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 07 Aug 2013 09:56

Pakistan wants to increase troop levels on border with India, back to 2003 levels, so that it can put pressure in United States, on the eve of their departure from, Afghania.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Aug 2013 10:57

how do we know that it was ak antony saying that?

please don't be communal and spread lies.

it could be someone dressed like him.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Aug 2013 11:06

Anyway regardless of how independent and incorruptible he is perceived to be A K is an extension of Antonia Maino onlee.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Aug 2013 11:24

Who cares! As if the US has ever stood by us against Paki perfidy.It has fornicated with the Paki rent-boy for so long and loves the stink of the Paki military so much that it will never give up its lust for the public convenience of South Asia.

latest reports quoting intel sources say that the same LET unit responsible for the Jan. 8th beheading,was responsible for the latest atrocity.The intense anger and outrage in the nation and in both houses of parliament is unprecedented.St.Anthony has been derisively called the Defence Minister of Pak for his knowledge that the "intruders" were merely dressed in Paki military uniforms and not regular troops.Even if so,what difference does it make,as the murderous actions all emanate from Pak as did those on 26/11! As Gen. Mush-a-rat said,or words to that effect,the terrorists are the sword arm of the Paki state.The attacks are not coming from an alien race,they are being launched from Pakistani soil and therefore if the Pakis cannot prevent such attacks,it is incumbent upon India to deal with the situ. in the best manner possible to us!

Therefore,allowing such acts to be launched form Paki soil damns the civilian govt. of Pak, too and it cannot evade responsibility for the same.If we wish not to go to war with Pak,then as one has been saying for aeons,the severest diplomatic punishment of Pak is the least that we must inflict upon it,downgrading of ties ,banning intervisitation of nationals and all trade, and absolutely NO official talks with any Paki officials anywhere on the globe,until we have a guarantee in writing fro Pak that it will hand over to us those terrorists responsible for the acts of terror against India and operating with impunity from Paki soil.

Arjun Gupta · Post by **Arjun Gupta** » 07 Aug 2013 11:39

I think Manmohan Singh's response would be to stop playing cricket with Pakistan for a few months!

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Aug 2013 11:56

^^^That is too much aggression and provocation. I think he will STRONGLY condemn the 'mischievous' act from non state actors to derail the peace process.

Interesting to see pakis and our RM speaking the same language 'They were terrorists not soldiers'. The thoughts of these two great states of South Asia are finally aligning.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2013 12:00

We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 07 Aug 2013 12:11

Why J&K attacks show India needs a strong Afghanistan policy

Finally, India can adopt a more muscular posture on the Line of Control. Estimates suggest about a third of Pakistan’s 500,000-strong army is committed to counter-terrorist operations in its North-West. Indian troops have given at least as good as they've got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks. The government’s been loath, though, to up the stakes, for fear for the ceasefire falling apart. If India reconsiders that strategy, though, it can threaten to make Pakistan more vulnerable to domestic terrorism by forcing it to pull troops eastwards.

Why doesn't India adopts this approach when dealing with Pakistan. If LOC goes on boil then it means Pakistan would have to pull its troops from eastern borders to LOC and this would mean militants would have free run and Pakistan would witness a worse civil war than it is already experiencing now.

habal · Post by **habal** » 07 Aug 2013 12:28

SSridhar wrote:We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.

a very important point. Another govt coming, does not necessarily mean that an anti-US-interests & pro-hardline stance will be taken up against Pakistan. India became a thoroughly compromised country sometime in the 90s, PVN ensured some kind of strategic independence in between economic ambivalence but even that is completely eroded now. A country which can't even leverage stability over it's own monetary system, without depending on some form of US investment & handout and it is out of this very handout that our so-called leaders are waiting to skim off the cream and indulge in various financial frauds and monetary scams.

this system of governance is not going to work. this system has been imposed on India on the sly and by some vested foreign interests in cahoots with elite neta & business interests. India's present-day Pakistan policy is a by-product of this subverted system.

habal · Post by **habal** » 07 Aug 2013 12:34

A_Rai wrote:Why J&K attacks show India needs a strong Afghanistan policy

Finally, India can adopt a more muscular posture on the Line of Control. Estimates suggest about a third of Pakistan’s 500,000-strong army is committed to counter-terrorist operations in its North-West. Indian troops have given at least as good as they've got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks. The government’s been loath, though, to up the stakes, for fear for the ceasefire falling apart. If India reconsiders that strategy, though, it can threaten to make Pakistan more vulnerable to domestic terrorism by forcing it to pull troops eastwards.
Why doesn't India adopts this approach when dealing with Pakistan. If LOC goes on boil then it means Pakistan would have to pull its troops from eastern borders to LOC and this would mean militants would have free run and Pakistan would witness a worse civil war than it is already experiencing now.

India is a compromised country, else there are so many options of getting Pakistan rid of it's malignant army. A good jhapad at the border will stabilise pakistan for next 10 years by de-stabilising it's army.

Usually when the economy is down, it is a good time to flex the military muscle and keep people in high spirits.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2013 12:40

A_Rai wrote:Why J&K attacks show India needs a strong Afghanistan policy
Indian troops have given at least as good as they've got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks.

There are two problems here in this formulation of 'India giving back as much as it got'. First of all, I consider it shameful that India only reacts every time and we think that an equally proportionate response is all that we should do. Secondly, and related to the first, is that our policies have not deterred Pakistan, and , OTOH, they have ratcheted up the violence against us, made it more widespread and in multiple forms too.

So, we should not take pride in having given back.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2013 12:53

Philip wrote: . . . downgrading of ties ,banning intervisitation of nationals and all trade, and absolutely NO official talks with any Paki officials anywhere on the globe,until we have a guarantee in writing fro Pak that it will hand over to us those terrorists responsible for the acts of terror against India and operating with impunity from Paki soil.

The latest incident is another one in a series of incidents especially after circa 2001. There have been much more belligerent attacks even if we consider only Mumbai, such as 1993, serial blasts in Mumbai 2002-2003, Mumbai commuter train attacks in 2006, fidayeen urban guerrilla war on Mumbai in 2008, coordinated bomb attacks on Mumbai in 2011 et al. There were others such as Parliament attack, Kandahar hijack, suicide attack on the J&K assembly, coordinated bomb attacks in Surat, Bangalore, Ahmedabad & New Delhi in c. 2008, several bomb attacks in Hyderabad etc. Then, there are other major attacks within J&K such as Nadimarg, Kaluchak, Chattisinghpura, Kaluchak, Vaishnodevi, Wandhama and Kulhand etc. I might have some others.

What did we do except to say, "India will not be cowed down" ?

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 07 Aug 2013 13:00

How do they get the mobile numbers and that they work for defence? Unless, they studpidly put it on social media!

SSridhar wrote:IB alert over ISI cyber-snooping - Sandeep Joshi, The Hindu
Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is making full-fledged attempts to infiltrate India’s strategic organisations by spoofing telephone calls and using malware to snoop into crucial websites and systems. Sounding an alert regarding such “espionage” attempts from across the border, the Intelligence Bureau has warned that Pakistan’s intelligence operatives (PIOs) were targeting defence forces’ headquarters and other strategic organisations to collect sensitive information.

“PIOs are frequently targeting government personnel/officers to collect sensitive information through spoofed VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) calls prefixed with the STD code of Delhi…The PIOs have been using the stratagem of calling phone numbers of security forces posing as officers belonging to Army/Navy/Air Force HQ (headquarters) and collecting details about the deployment, movement and other information about security forces,” says an internal note of the IB.

The ISI operatives are also targeting Indian Railways, banks, and serving/retired employees and civil contractors working for Military Engineering Services (MES) to collect sensitive and defence-related information. “They (PIOs) have also been making telephone calls under assumed identities by using spoofed numbers to various CPMFs (central paramilitary forces), railways, banks etc,” the note says.

“They (PIOs) have succeeded in ferreting out sensitive information from the persons attending these calls. IB has been regular in highlighting the stratagem of PIOs using fake identities…,” the note adds. The IB has now asked the Department of Telecom to constitute a high-level technical committee to examine the issue of spoofed calls and find possible solutions that could be implemented in a time-bound manner.

Explaining how the ISI has managed to infiltrate India’s communication networks, the IB note adds: “Using VoIP and computer software to mask the point of origin of their calls, Pakistan’s intelligence operatives have been noticed to be masquerading as senior Indian armed forces officers to contact their targets on the telephone to collect such information.”

The modus operandi involves the use of software by PIOs operating from Pakistan to ensure that the mobile phone of the target displays the incoming call to be originating from a “spoofed” Indian number.

Though these VoIP calls originate outside India, they reflect an Indian-specific CLI (caller line identification). Referring to a recent incident of espionage, the IB note points out that, in February this year, it had sounded an alert regarding possible “contamination of BSNL systems” by the ISI. “This stratagem now appears to have been successfully used by them for a cyber offensive against the subscriber database and communication links of BSNL,” it adds.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 07 Aug 2013 13:16

SSridhar wrote:We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.

Escalation of intrusions and interference by China going hand-in-hand with escalation by TSP, as Unkil withdraws from Afghanistan. There have been projections for joint Pak-China war with India by 2017/2019. China needs to re-make parts of Asia in order to continue its rise as an alternative pole to the US, this side of the globe. Its going to be a tough decade for India to manage - We have to first replace those policy people who see everything from the US/Western perspective, instead of thinking more independently, including w.r.t. a temporary India-China condominium in parts of Asia. At the same time, we have to consolidate nationally, economically and security-wise, and show preparedness and willingness to fight hard and respond zealously.

IOW, a Modi-like admin is required urgently. For at least one of the reasons above, the US still tries to treat Modi like a pariah.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 07 Aug 2013 13:40

Even Modi will have to tow US line, but given his stronger mass base, can bargain better. SG MMS et al know that they are in place because the international powers are helping them maintain power in India. Whenever our leaders tried to break out, they have been removed (either physically - LBS, IG, RG or politically - ABV).

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 07 Aug 2013 15:09

prahaar wrote:Even Modi will have to tow US line, but given his stronger mass base, can bargain better. SG MMS et al know that they are in place because the international powers are helping them maintain power in India. Whenever our leaders tried to break out, they have been removed (either physically - LBS, IG, RG or politically - ABV).

I agree that Modi (or anyone similarly oriented) would certainly have to 'negotiate' with Almighty Unkil. But in Modi's case, he is practiced in being 'aabhaari' to China, too. It is a changing geostrategic chessboard compared to even a decade ago. So, different possibilities may be there.

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Aug 2013 18:37

A comment in Firstpost on a article regarding Tourism:

I'ld rather tour Pakistan for the adventure.

"Have a blast till you last"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Aug 2013 18:39

SSridhar wrote:We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.

SS, I am not fully convinced that this latest TSP attack was just some random act to highlight the "core issue". While thats always the center piece of TSP strategy, I think the latest has got to do with some form of revenge or some form of pre-emption on TSP's part, warning India (Indian army that is), don't dare taking any action across the LoC.

As much as I cannot stand that puke Praveen Swami, but given his close contacts with Indian govt officials, there may be something to his claim that a lot of action was taking place on the LoC as a prelude to this attack. My own reading is that TSP's "status quo" is that pigLeTs must be allowed to create enough mayhem in the valley for TSP claim that Kashmir is on the boil, "indigenous struggle". And when India attempts to disrupt that, they consider it a violation of "status quo". As does US because India gaining ascendancy in the valley creates kujli to TSP which means they don't make US's life easy in Afghanistan, which obviously US does not like.

Basically, what it all comes down to is TSP (and US) wanting rest of India to allow MMS's to pursue "serious talks" with TSP on Kashmir to implement his ardent desire to have breakfast in Kabul, lunch in Lahore, and dinner in India (as anointed CEO of India, Inc). In other words, what US & TSP wants is for India to treat TSP as an equal, forget about terror being the center pieces, and discuss all issues of relevance to TSP including Kashmir, India's role in Afghanistan etc, which according to US, its concerns visa vi India are not "groundless" (because TSP is US's pet munna terrorist after all, so all all its pigLeT actions arise due to legitimate concerns about India)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23598521

But from a strategic stand point, I have a question. Why would Indian army, instead of pursuing this strategy of quiet attack, quiet revenge, chose to bring this out in the open. I mean, every life is precious, and TSP animals cannot be allowed to get away with their butchery of our soldiers, but if Indian army can quietly take out TSP troops too and signal revenge, whats the need to go public? Could it be because if Indian army does not go public, it will signal to MMS that everything is hunky dory, and his can pursue his wet dreams with his TSP cousins?

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 07 Aug 2013 19:21

Two killed, 15 injured in Mastung blast

http://www.geo.tv/article-112776-Two-ki ... ung-blast-

MASTUNG: At least two people were killed and 15 others injured in an explosion near a shopping centre of a local market in Mastung, Geo News reported.

Police have confirmed the blast, however, the nature of the blast was yet to be ascertained.

Several shops were also damaged in the explosion.

Police and Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) have rushed to the site of the blast.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Aug 2013 19:37

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hafi ... 98452.html

Hafiz Saeed visited Pakistani outpost days before Poonch ambush

attack carried out by same militants who were involved in Jan attack.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2013 19:55

CRamS wrote:
SSridhar wrote:We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.
SS, I am not fully convinced that this latest TSP attack was just some random act to highlight the "core issue". While thats always the center piece of TSP strategy, I think the latest has got to do with some form of revenge or some form of pre-emption on TSP's part, warning India (Indian army that is), don't dare taking any action across the LoC.

CRS, I didn't say that either. It is all related to Afghanistan. Today, PigLeT is integrated with the PA. We do not need to distinguish between the two. The latest incident has also to be seen in the context of the Jalalabad attack, again by PigLeT, Haqqani and the PA.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 07 Aug 2013 20:20

Jyothi Malhotra missed her medications again....

Stop talking to Pakistan? Ask Karachi kids

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 07 Aug 2013 21:07

LoC attack: Martyr's wife refuses compensation, seeks action against Pak

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 07 Aug 2013 21:24

Colonel, captain, Diamer SSP killed in Chilas firing

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... las-firing

CHILAS: Unknown armed assailants shot dead three security officers and injured another early Tuesday morning.

The incident took place in Chilas city, the headquarters of district Diamer of Gilgit-Baltistan (GB), where terrorists ambushed the security officials.

As a result of firing, two Pakistan Army officers – Colonel Ghulam Mustafa and Captain Ashfaq – and SSP Diamer Hilal Ahmed were killed on the spot while a cop sustained injuries. The police and Army officers were investigating the massacre of foreign climbers.

“Though no major arrests have been made so far related to the June 23 shooting of foreigners, these officials were investigating the case,” a senior security official told Reuters.Police said that the officials were attacked when they were going to Deputy Commissioner House in Chilas to attend a meeting.

The officers were critically injured in the attack and were taken to the Chilas District Headquarters (DHQ) Hospital where they died during treatment. Chilas DCO Ajmal Bhatti said these officers were hit by the assailants hiding in the mountains.

He said the area was cordoned off and an investigation had been initiated. He said he could not confirm identity of the killers at this stage. A case has been registered against the attackers and police have started investigations.

The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) issued a statement acknowledging that their subsidiary group Janood-e-Hafsa conducted this attack to bring international attention towards the drone attacks

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Aug 2013 21:49

Arjun Gupta wrote:I think Manmohan Singh's response would be to stop playing cricket with Pakistan for a few months!

Too late. Apparently the blind cricket team is scheduled to play the pakis.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Aug 2013 21:57

It's rather pointless to use the talks as some sort of leverage on Pakistan. IMHO, keep talking to Sharif and co everywhere, anytime about anything. Gives Micky the flying Sikh, something to and somewhere to go. And, it cuts off the Kerrys and Hague's from shuttle diplomacy to get talks going.

Simultaneously implement a low intensity, highly targeted, plausibly deniable campaign to target the PA (where they live, work and travel to and from). Use local assets who'll do anything for money—heck!, I would not be surprised to see an existing, well oiled souk system where you can buy a soosai bummer. Ratchet up support to the BLA and TTP who hold the PA responsible for drone strikes.

There's a lot that can be done undercover. As long as you don't break it to Micky.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Aug 2013 21:58

anupmisra wrote:
Arjun Gupta wrote:I think Manmohan Singh's response would be to stop playing cricket with Pakistan for a few months!
Too late. Apparently the blind cricket team is scheduled to play the pakis.

Their political counterparts are scheduled to play the pakis in September.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2013 22:11

SSridhar wrote:
CRamS wrote: -------------------------
quote="SSridhar"

We can shout at Antony or Kurshid or MSA for their words and actions or inactions. Ultimately, it is Ms. Antinio Maino and the US who are the puppeteers. I do not believe that the situation would change with a change of governments either. It will then be somebody else and the US. We used to mock at Pakistan for being a faithful servant to the Master. It has devolved on us too. We defer to US wishes. A time may come when we will also end up as a GUBO partner. That would be the next stage in this evolutionary relationship.

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SS, I am not fully convinced that this latest TSP attack was just some random act to highlight the "core issue". While thats always the center piece of TSP strategy, I think the latest has got to do with some form of revenge or some form of pre-emption on TSP's part, warning India (Indian army that is), don't dare taking any action across the LoC.
CRS, I didn't say that either. It is all related to Afghanistan. Today, PigLeT is integrated with the PA. We do not need to distinguish between the two. The latest incident has also to be seen in the context of the Jalalabad attack, again by PigLeT, Haqqani and the PA.

There are multiple levels of lapses in these repeat killings on the Indian side of LOC :Indian Army, MoD, MEA, PM, press hangers on of the ruling party (eg. Jyoti Malhotra) and loose mouth idiots who are given more hawa then they deserve eg. Mani Shankar Aiyar etc..

Need to understand some of these could also be batting for the US which wants to have a piss ful exit without a flag tearing exit from Kabul.

- Just as at Kargil, the IA local area commanders need to ensure they have active patrols in strength. They don't need orders for this from Headquarters. How do they expect Area domination patrols of six soldiers to dominate? Wasn't Lt Saurabh Kalia and his troop of six ambushed and tortured to death and same palusible deniablity from TSP at work? So IA needs to be learning organization and not repeat the same mistake like a dinosaur and get its honored troops murdered. Its not a killing but a murder. After the beheadings to send same six troop strength is idiocy if not moronic.

- Its very clear that TSP has non-state actors as part of their troop formations. So its stupid to point that out. Its a given. In fact the non state actors have a battalion number which shows they are part of the TSP Army order of Battle. Just because they dont have spit and polish parade ground uniforms doesnt make them irregualrs. So stop characteriizing them as non-soldiers. they might not have graduated from Kakul PMA but are soldiers trained in a some camp or the other by the TSP Army. This is the standard modus operandi since 1947 and yet IAndina Army doesnt want to recognize the problem and keeps giving press releases and leaks to dubious journalists who turn around and support TSP. Eg. Pravin Swami.

- Indian Army should stop building up the image of cowardly border raiding razakars by calling them BAT and other honorifics.
They are just plain terrorists in or out of uniform.

- Big picture issues. By giving unattributable briefings to idiot desi journalists all this appears to be local and confined and masks the real intent of the TSP. It might feel good to tell them about what India did or not do but it will make it look like a riot with guns. So dont tell them but do what isnecessary. The country is behind the forces even if termagant politicans and their ilk are not

-The big picture is TSP wants Indian Army to commit more troops at the border to prevent such pin-prick raids. Its not like India has a massive resources of trained soldiers for this and will have to dip into other fronts and or raise more troops eventually. In the short term they have to come from acclimatised troops facing the PRC in the Northern-Eastern borders at the LAC and relieve the pressure. What we are seeing is the defacto or virtual two front war with coordination between the snake and the dragon. Recall the numerous logisitics generals exchanging visits to PRC and TSP?

- If this is correct the right strategy is to keep the troops at the PRC borders and increase the patrol strength from six to what ever the local commander feels is necessary within his resources.

- MEA and their bag holders in media should shut up. They have no bone in this fight. Afghanistan etc are secondary red herrings.

- Also TSP always conducts terrorist attacks on India whenever they are in good books of US. So here the MEA can help by alerting the MoD whenevr they feel the US is more amenable to the TSP which is a definite indicator of past TSP behavior.

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2013 22:12

anupmisra wrote:
Arjun Gupta wrote:I think Manmohan Singh's response would be to stop playing cricket with Pakistan for a few months!
Too late. Apparently the blind cricket team is scheduled to play the pakis.

You mean led by ManMohan Singh in New York?

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 07 Aug 2013 23:36

Seems after all Agent vinod is not fictional character.

RAW duped jihadis into killing Hafiz Saeed’s security chief

Intelligence sources told Pakistan Today that the plot to assassinate Saeed and his close aides was hatched in Dubai allegedly by a RAW agent identified only by one name – Vinod.
The sources said that RAW engaged two local jihadi activists through an unidentified Pakistani handler for the job. “On May 15, 2013, Khalid Bashir, a 42-year-old father of seven, was abducted from Lahore by Zafar Qayyum and Bilal Ahmed Cheema, both of whom were enlisted by RAW during their jihadi operations in Afghanistan. Bashir’s body was later found from the Upper Chenab Canal in Sheikhupura on May 17. The body bore multiple torture marks and bullet wounds,” said the sources.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 07 Aug 2013 23:38

Manmohan invites BJP for consultations

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The Prime Minister is understood to have called the top BJP leadership including Parliamentary Party chairman L K Advani, Party President Rajnath Singh and Leaders of Opposition in both Houses Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley for the meeting

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid and National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon will be among those from the Government side who will explain the current state of play on the LoC where brief but gory incidents such as the beheading in January or the killings on Monday night (or the tit-for-tat killings of prisoners in each other’s jails) have the potential to put Indo-Pak ties in deep freeze for a couple of months.

Mr. Khurshid and Mr. Menon are expected to put the proposed meeting between Dr. Singh and Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in the context of the importance to remain engaged with Islamabad at a time when a new Government is in place and the end game in Afghanistan is playing out.

They would also point out that the LoC has seen less violence than earlier as also clarify Mr. Sharif’s Foreign Relations Advisor Sartaz Aziz’s recent comment about New Delhi agreeing not to make speedy prosecution of Mumbai attack accused a precondition for talks. Sources here wonder whether Mr. Aziz’s remarks were as reported because Mr. Sharif’s Special Envoy Shahryar Khan was categorically told about the need for proactive steps by the new Government to curb attacks from its side of the border.

While the proposed meeting between the two Prime Ministers is scheduled for the end of next month by when a lot of water would have flowed, sources here expressed doubts about plans to hold official level meetings over the next one month on the Tulbul navigation project and Sir Creek dispute where a recent brief disagreement between the two countries was sidestepped by the Indian media.

Meanwhile the US has also weighed in on the killings but kept away from commenting on the Kashmir dispute. Commenting on Indian charges of its troops having been ambushed by Pakistanis, a US State Department spokesperson said they were aware of these “unconfirmed reports’’ but their policy on the long standing Kashmir dispute has not changed.

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2013 23:55

A_Rai wrote:Seems after all Agent vinod is not fictional character.
RAW duped jihadis into killing Hafiz Saeed’s security chief

Intelligence sources told Pakistan Today that the plot to assassinate Saeed and his close aides was hatched in Dubai allegedly by a RAW agent identified only by one name – Vinod.
The sources said that RAW engaged two local jihadi activists through an unidentified Pakistani handler for the job. “On May 15, 2013, Khalid Bashir, a 42-year-old father of seven, was abducted from Lahore by Zafar Qayyum and Bilal Ahmed Cheema, both of whom were enlisted by RAW during their jihadi operations in Afghanistan. Bashir’s body was later found from the Upper Chenab Canal in Sheikhupura on May 17. The body bore multiple torture marks and bullet wounds,” said the sources.

Looks like a composite of Bollywood fillums. The truth is ISI killed poor Bashir on suspicion and is blaming the 'film character' Vinod. BTW wasn't the role it played by Pataudi's son Saif Ali Khan, whose uncle is a high-up in ISI?
Its a plot to discredt the uncle.