Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 12 Aug 2013 15:52

Philip wrote:...Mani Aiyer remains wallowing in the "ebbs and shallows" of political life, booted out as a minister by his own party!


But he has always been welcomed in pakhanistan as a hero.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 12 Aug 2013 16:05

Philip wrote: Mani Aiyer remains wallowing in the "ebbs and shallows" of political life,booted out as a minister by his own party!

Philip, true. But, let's remember that he is close to the real power centre which actually dictates the Indian foreign policy. So, we should pay close attention to what he says and does because those are the policies of GoI.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby sum » 12 Aug 2013 18:42

^^ This guy was actually in the GoI/MEA as a diplomat in the TSP desk. Thats what scares me more when diplomats like MSA/MKB ( BhadraKumar) were our top men in hostile countries.

Wonder how many such scary IFS folk do we currently have in service?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Shanmukh » 12 Aug 2013 18:55

sum wrote:^^ This guy was actually in the GoI/MEA as a diplomat in the TSP desk. Thats what scares me more when diplomats like MSA/MKB ( BhadraKumar) were our top men in hostile countries.

Wonder how many such scary IFS folk do we currently have in service?


According to my dad, who spent ten years auditing MEA (among other things), these opinions are very common among the diplomats. He is of the opinion that the IFS is the most politicised and least professional department in GoI. He also thinks that extreme leftism was inculcated in the 1960s and has remained strongly there ever since (once leftists get their claws into anything, they don't give it up easily). In fact, it was extremely hard for you to get selected into MEA if you were not far to the left.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 12 Aug 2013 20:11

No immediate plan to grant MFN status to India: Pakistan

Very interesting. We go about ignoring the killing of our soldiers. Observe that "It's just 5 soldiers so what, it's not 5000, don't be ridiculous...". We go about granting MFN status to this country. And what do we get? repeated kicks in the nuts, and yet we plead "Thank you sir, can I get one more?, may be this time also poke my eye, not just a kick in my groin". I think we deserve it, how can we expect others to respect us, when we lost our own self esteem?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_23252 » 12 Aug 2013 20:36

GRAPHIC: Pakistan Army caught on video torturing Baloch youth. As soldier crushes man's testicles, others chuckle.


http://vimeo.com/72197882

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby ramana » 12 Aug 2013 20:41

Jhujar wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/588691/afghan-taliban-dismiss-illogical-indian-claim-over-kashmir-clash/
Afghan Taliban dismiss “illogical” Indian claim over Kashmir clash
ISLAMABAD: The Afghan Taliban dismissed claims by Indian security officials that the Afghan fighters were involved in the recent killing of five Indian soldiers along the Line of Control in the disputed Kashmir region as “illogical and baseless” on Saturday.This is the second time Taliban has denied its involvement in the LoC clash that has heightened tensions between Pakistan and India.
“The Islamic Emirate categorically rejects the allegations of its involvement in the killing of Indian soldiers. The Islamic Emirate has repeatedly told the world community that it will neither harm anyone outside Afghanistan nor will tolerate others to harm us,” the Taliban spokesperson, Zabihullah Mujahid said.
“The international community is aware that Afghanistan has been invaded by foreign invaders and we have been engaged in jihad against them for 12 years,” he said in a statement.The spokesperson said in a statement there is no logic in the notion to say that the Taliban will be sending their fighters to Kashmir.“The Islamic Emirate wants to assure the international community once again that we have no intentions to fight outside the borders of Afghanistan,” the Taliban spokesperson said in a Pashto-language statement.He said that the Indian officials had earlier blamed the LoC attack on its neighbouring country but later “repeatedly said that the Islamic Emirate’s Mujahideen had been involved in the attack.”A section of the Indian media had earlier quoted unnamed security officials claiming that Pakistan’s ISI may now try to increasingly push the battle-hardened Afghan Taliban into its part of Kashmir.“The Afghan Taliban dismissed the Indian claims and said that it was not Taliban policy to send its fighters out of Afghanistan.The Indian officials were quoted as saying that the Taliban militants were deployed in its controlled Kashmir to launch attacks on Indian forces.



This is a reply to AKA's misguided description of the Paki attackers as terrorists in TSPA uniforms. Afghan Taliban are replying that their folks are not involved. It does not rule out the hazar terorrists led by #1 group: the TSPA.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_26255 » 12 Aug 2013 20:55

News Flash:Ceasefire violation again by Pakroaches in Samba sector.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_26255 » 12 Aug 2013 20:57

Six bodies recovered from parts of Karachi

KARACHI: Six bodies were recovered from parts of Karachi on Monday, DawnNews reported.

Two bodies in gunny bags were recovered from the city's Gulistan-i-Jauhar area. The bodies found in Pehelwan Goth were of two men who were kidnapped on Sunday.

A body bearing torture marks was found in Karachi's Kharadar neighbourhood and another body was recovered from the Naval Colony in the city's Baldia Town locality.

A woman's body was also found in the Baghdadi area of Lyari Town, whereas, a sixth body was recovered from Gulshan-i-Zia in the city's Orangi Town area.

Karachi, the capital of Sindh province, has been a witness of incidents of terrorism and targeted killings for many years and the situation remains unchanged in several parts of the city.

According to a recent estimate, the number of killings in the city jumped to more than 2,300 in 2012 from 1,700 the previous year. More than 1,400 murders have already been recorded since the start of this year. :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby rsingh » 12 Aug 2013 21:55

nageshks wrote:
sum wrote:^^ This guy was actually in the GoI/MEA as a diplomat in the TSP desk. Thats what scares me more when diplomats like MSA/MKB ( BhadraKumar) were our top men in hostile countries.

Wonder how many such scary IFS folk do we currently have in service?


According to my dad, who spent ten years auditing MEA (among other things), these opinions are very common among the diplomats. He is of the opinion that the IFS is the most politicised and least professional department in GoI. He also thinks that extreme leftism was inculcated in the 1960s and has remained strongly there ever since (once leftists get their claws into anything, they don't give it up easily). In fact, it was extremely hard for you to get selected into MEA if you were not far to the left.


Well I met CDA from Indian Embassy ( in Europe, can't name because guy is still serving) who thought exactly like Brite gurus. This guy was sick about how they have to appease minority community MEA dumbheads. They are fedup with quota postings. They have to close Embassy for muslim holidays but he had worked on Hindu holidays.......just an example.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby krithivas » 12 Aug 2013 23:39

This is a really a very sad day. May God grant us strength to deal with the emotional aftermath (uncontrollable laughter).

No immediate plan to grant most favoured nation status to India: Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/No-immediate-plan-to-grant-most-favoured-nation-status-to-India-Pakistan/articleshow/21782466.cms

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 13 Aug 2013 00:13

I don't even know why we need MFN status from a beggar nation. Do they even have money to do business with us? what do we gain from losers? and I think we too didn't grant them MFN status..yet, did we?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby vishvak » 13 Aug 2013 00:24

Yes pukis are MFN for India. Now 5-star circuit chatters have more on the plate to push files.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Vikas » 13 Aug 2013 01:10

^One more reason for MMS to meet NS and beg for MFN status. After all rise of India is tied to granting of MFN status by TSP.

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 13 Aug 2013 01:51

IMF agrees to allow Pakistan to seek $6.6bn Officials

ISLAMABAD The International Monetary Fund has agreed that Pakistan can seek a loan package worth $6.6 billion, two top finance ministry officials said on Monday, a boost for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as he seeks to fix the moribund economy.

The Fund had settled on an initial package of $5.3 billion after an IMF delegation held weeks of talks in Pakistan in July. Pakistan had requested $7.2 billion.

The Saudi Islamic Development Bank Group Ltd has also pledged a $997 million credit line and a $200 million trade facility for Pakistan to buy petroleum products, said Shafqat Jalil, the Finance Ministry’s spokesperson.

We will end up with a shortfall of $600-700 million, which we will bridge through other donors like the ADB (Asian Development Bank),” Jalil said.

The ADB, one of Pakistan’s major lenders, estimates that Pakistan needs $6 billion to $9 billion to meet its obligations, including about $5 billion in outstanding debt on an earlier $11 billion IMF loan package that was suspended in 2011.


Pakistan needs all the Loans from IMF ADB and Saudi Arabia so that it can buy goods, Refined Petroleum Products, Electricity and Gas from India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby vishvak » 13 Aug 2013 02:06

And Indians have to sweat it out to balance accounting books of pukis as pukis while away all the hard cash and loans too.

Notice how Jalis says "other doners like ADB" - ADB is a bank actually but now pukis claim ADB and other banks are mere donors, not lenders.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby MurthyB » 13 Aug 2013 02:32

Nice, well planned operation this. They systematically go through the residency, break all the pictures, pile up the furniture, set up the gas cylinders, douse everything in kerosene, take down the Paki flag and hoist the Azad Balochistan one, walk away, and watch as the house explodes.

BLA blows up Jinnah Residency

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby ramana » 13 Aug 2013 02:40

The Pakis have no intention to payback. Hence ADB is donor to them.

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 13 Aug 2013 02:41

vishvak wrote:And Indians have to sweat it out to balance accounting books of pukis as pukis while away all the hard cash and loans too.

Notice how Jalis says "other doners like ADB" - ADB is a bank actually but now pukis claim ADB and other banks are mere donors, not lenders.


vishvak Ji :

Actually "Donors" as in one of the recent Hindi Movie "Donor"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Prem » 13 Aug 2013 06:54

Ceasefire: Will it turn 10?

Upper Time Limits For Hudna between Muslim And Kaffirs: Dhimmi Decular Naa Janne

To me, the moral of the story is that India-Pakistan relations “work” when there is a buy-in from Rawalpindi, or better still, Rawalpindi is running the affairs of Pakistan.
The Pakistani leader must also be aware of the implications of the Eid message of Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, who openly called for a jihad to be waged not just in Kashmir, but in Burma (Myanmar) and Palestine.That Saeed was allowed to lead prayers inside the Gaddafi Stadium is the worst possible message that Pakistan could send out at this juncture. This is bound to raise questions about the new civilian government’s intentions of curbing jihadi elements.In a recent opinion piece, military analyst Ayesha Siddiqa wrote, “We also know that there is sufficient infiltration of jihadi networks in the police department and security establishment. There are senior police officers in Punjab (serving and retired) who go around fixing appointments for Hafiz Saeed and other militant leaders.”These are pretty scary words.And, seen along with the ongoing terrorist attacks in Pakistan, including the latest in Quetta, this raises serious questions about the Pakistani State’s desire to deal with terrorist violence.Meanwhile, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who even staked his government to strike a civil nuclear deal with the United States, needs to show some spunk when it comes to dealing with Pakistan.Rather than allow the BJP, large bits of which remain ideologically opposed to Pakistan’s creation, to hijack the bilateral agenda, Dr. Singh needs to show leadership in dealing with Pakistan. :rotfl: He’s allowed India’s Pakistan policy to drift and recent demonstrations by Youth Congress workers in Delhi only go to show that the ruling party is not averse to playing crass notes to a narrow jingoist constituency.While India wasn’t an issue in the recent Pakistan elections, Pakistan certainly will be an issue in the Indian elections if the BJP has its way.Dialogue is not about speaking Punjabi, eating khurchan or even shaking hands. Dialogue is about engaging the other party in serious discussions on areas of difference in the hope of crafting acceptable agreements.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Anujan » 13 Aug 2013 07:20

Even Kargil and 1971 war did not have 5000 casualties. So we should not worry about them too much either?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby svinayak » 13 Aug 2013 07:27

Pakistan certainly will be an issue in the Indian elections if the BJP has its way

This statement has been coming since 2002. THey want to create this impression when Indians dont want to bother

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Re: The MFN Charade comes a full circle

Postby SSridhar » 13 Aug 2013 08:43

krithivas wrote:This is a really a very sad day. May God grant us strength to deal with the emotional aftermath (uncontrollable laughter).
No immediate plan to grant most favoured nation status to India: Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/No-immediate-plan-to-grant-most-favoured-nation-status-to-India-Pakistan/articleshow/21782466.cms

True, the Pakis do not realize that they only favour themselves by giving MFN to India because India is the *only* country that can rescue the Pakistani economy and clean up its morass, not the 'peachier than the peach' friends from the East or the Masters from the West.

Be that as it may, the postponement of the MFN status does not come as a surprise, at least for folks in BRf. On December 6, 2011, I bet both my testimonials that the MFN will not happen and I stand vindicated. The GoI was very buoyed up on this development. Even the Indian media and Pakistani apologists in India made a song-and-dance as though Pakistan had already granted MFN to India and decided to use trade as a tool to develop friendlier relationship with us ! We knew even then that this MFN will be scuttled one way or another. The history of this MFN issue shows that Pakistan would never give us this. First, they had linked Kashmir with it, then the so-called non-tariff trade barriers with it. Then, in c. 2011, Pakistan hit upon a brilliant idea to use the MFN carrot to induce concessions from India as the US and IMF largesse largely dried up and Pakistan was desperate. As the US-Pakistan relationship began to turn around by mid-2012, Pakistan's attitude changed. Then, the Diffa-e-Pakistan was activated to generate opposition to the MFN using which as a ruse, the PPP excused itself to wait until the elections were over. All the while, they were biding their time to consolidate the developments in Afghanistan and see how it was going before deciding on the MFN. But, by that time we had already withdrawn our objection to EU's biased GSP+ concessions to Pakistan, given multiple-entry, anywhere travel, long-term visas to Pakistanis, allowed opening their bank branches here, eased investment avenues etc. The very announcement on this MFN by GoP was shrouded in confusion. It appeared to have granted that status only to clarify later that it was under close consideration.

It was in December 2012 that the Pakistani Foreign Secretary, the India-expelled Jilani, said that Pakistan had reservations on granting MFN to India. He said this on the same day his boss, the Birkin Babe, said the opposite thing. They were playing the familiar good cop-bad cop game. Later, Jilani 'clarified' that he did not mean GoP per se, but some stakeholders had reservations in granting MFN. We know who these stakeholders are, the PA and the LeT. In July 2012, we knew that the Pakistani Foreign office had asked the GoP to 'go slow' on the MFN issue because no serious progress had been achieved in other 'contentious issues' after so many rounds of talks. Since this came from the FO of Pakistan, it was easy to guess that the orders came from the PA since Biirkin Babe Hina Rabbani Khar was a PA appointee. It is also significant to note that by that time, the US had started sending the baksheesh once again to Pakistan. No wonder then, that Nawaz Sharif, who is much closer to the LeT has decided to delay MFN status. Let us not forget that the huge Diffa-e-Pakistan rally in Lahore in December 2011 on the MFN issue had the backing of PML-N. The very nomenclature of 'Most Favoured Nation' to the arch & mortal kafir enemy of Hindustan, invokes so much hatred & anger among Pakistanis that Ms. Hina Khar could not even get herself around to utter that phrase during the Krishna-Khar press meet in September 2012 when SM Krishna went there. She referred to MFN in a convoluted manner. That is the strength of bigotry there

But, this MFN, the beheading, the killing of IA soldiers, the intense shelling have all suddenly spurted and have to be seen in proper context. The context is Pakistan's turn around in relationship with the US and the US' acceptance of the primacy of Pakistan in post-US Afghanistan. With the IMF once again seemingly opening its tap, under US benevolence, Pakistan may not feel compelled to need Indian trade to tide over its difficult situation. A very short-term view, but that is how Pakistan operates. The Pakistani tail is up now and whenever that goes up, India suffers.

From an earlier post in December 2012,

. . .the MFN carrot was dangled by TSP to get concessions from India and it also helped them ward off the intense US pressure to normalize trade with us. Apart from the withdrawal of India's objection to EU's preferential treatment of TSP's textile exports under GSP+, as you said, it served many other purposes for Pakistan.

Pakistan woke up to this [MFN] in October, 2011 ahead of the SAARC summit in Maldives in November. This helped Man Mohan Singh to go easy on Pakistan when he met Gilani in Maldives, hoping trade would eliminate hostility from Pakistan and that 26/11 case would proceed more smoothly there. Now, Pakistan demanded liberalized visa rules, investment by Pakistanis in India, operation of Pakistani banks here, seats for Pakistani students in Indian universities etc. India conceded all of them.

PA waited until the Indian concessions were etched in concrete. Then, they struck. Around July 2012, the TSP Foreign Office stepped in and asked GoP to 'go slow' on this MFN issue. This meant that the orders came directly from Gen. Kayani. PA never wanted a liberalized trade with India for various reasons. Kayani warned PPP government not to go ahead with it even as our Foreign Secreatry was on the Pakistani soil to discuss the issue. The PA instigated simultenaously Diffa-e-Pakistan Council to organize protests. GoP back tracked and spoke of a gradual process towards granting MFN.

Now that PA is firmly back in the saddle with the approval of the US because of the developments in Afghanistan, GoP can no longer decide on the MFN issue. It will be the turn of events in Afghanistan that would decide this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby sum » 13 Aug 2013 08:57

nageshks wrote:According to my dad, who spent ten years auditing MEA (among other things), these opinions are very common among the diplomats. He is of the opinion that the IFS is the most politicised and least professional department in GoI. He also thinks that extreme leftism was inculcated in the 1960s and has remained strongly there ever since (once leftists get their claws into anything, they don't give it up easily). In fact, it was extremely hard for you to get selected into MEA if you were not far to the left.

Has there been no change with the post-independence born folks and non-urban folks joining IFS nowadays?

I shudder to think of list of Indian NOCs/agents in particular countries passing through the hands of folks like MSA/MKB etc etc

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Shanmukh » 13 Aug 2013 09:07

sum wrote:
nageshks wrote:According to my dad, who spent ten years auditing MEA (among other things), these opinions are very common among the diplomats. He is of the opinion that the IFS is the most politicised and least professional department in GoI. He also thinks that extreme leftism was inculcated in the 1960s and has remained strongly there ever since (once leftists get their claws into anything, they don't give it up easily). In fact, it was extremely hard for you to get selected into MEA if you were not far to the left.

Has there been no change with the post-independence born folks and non-urban folks joining IFS nowadays?

I shudder to think of list of Indian NOCs/agents in particular countries passing through the hands of folks like MSA/MKB etc etc


I am not sure of the latest position. My dad's opinion is based on what he saw in the 80s and early 90s. The entire middle and upper level cadre in IFS was tilted far to the left then. Hopefully, things have changed for the better with newer folk. But people who were in the middle level in the 90s would be at the top now. Is this why Indian foreign policy is so supine and pathetic?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Anujan » 13 Aug 2013 09:22

Get out the beer and popcorn.

http://dawn.com/news/1035449/punjabi-taliban-warn-of-reprisal-if-pml-n-govt-hangs-militants

The outlawed Punjabi Taliban, an offshoot terrorist organisation of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), on Monday warned the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government of dire consequences if it carries on with its plan of executing some convicts on death row.

In a pamphlet, distributed in Southern Punjab and South and North Waziristan tribal agencies in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province bordering Afghanistan, the terrorist outfit said that the government will be considered at war with them if it goes on to execute their colleagues currently serving jail terms and are on death row.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Gus » 13 Aug 2013 09:44

nageshks wrote:According to my dad, who spent ten years auditing MEA (among other things), these opinions are very common among the diplomats. He is of the opinion that the IFS is the most politicised and least professional department in GoI. He also thinks that extreme leftism was inculcated in the 1960s and has remained strongly there ever since (once leftists get their claws into anything, they don't give it up easily). In fact, it was extremely hard for you to get selected into MEA if you were not far to the left.


i can't generalise from one case...a roomie of mine did not join the it crowd and became IFS. quite the nationalist and clear headed type. he is doing good.

with the internet and the explosion of information, it is hard to keep young minds in one channel of interpretation. they are bound to know other viewpoints. the problem could be official promotion or suppression of one or other view by the souprears once they get into IFS and hopefully that too should change when the newer people move up the chain.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 13 Aug 2013 10:08

More than the bureaucrats, we should blame the political leaders who set the policies and ask the bureaucrats to simply implement them. The bureaucrats may argue their case but beyond a point, they can do very little. Many bureaucrats do not have it in them to be nay sayers when the situation demands, a common Indian failing. The political interference is more so in the MEA because for a considerable time in Independent India, the MEA had fallen directly under the PM or his/her hand-picked dummy Foreign Minister from behind whom the PMO ruled. What happened at Sharm-el-Sheikh was a shockingly good example of how politicians and bureaucrats work.

At least earlier, it was the independent thinking of the PM that set the vision for foreign relations, whether it was right or wrong. But, since 1999, it has been the US that began to slowly insert itself into our policy-making. It reached alarming proportions in the UPA dispensation, especially in its second outing. It is pathetic today that one-sixth of humanity does not have power to determine its own destiny.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Anujan » 13 Aug 2013 10:23

The man on top never wanted to lead -- He himself is a bureaucrat waiting for political leaders to direct him. That is the main issue.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby ArmenT » 13 Aug 2013 11:22

venug wrote:I don't even know why we need MFN status from a beggar nation. Do they even have money to do business with us? what do we gain from losers? and I think we too didn't grant them MFN status..yet, did we?

Pakis have been granted MFN status from India's side since the 1990s. But I'm not really sure about the implications of this. Granting MFN status to another country means nothing if that country doesn't produce substantial amounts of goods that India needs, at competitive prices. I think the only things India imports from the Pakis are some cement and some veggies. If I recall right, the cement bags from Pakland didn't sell that well in India because they packed them in jute sacks and during the rainy season, a lot of them were spoiled and they also had QC issues. They might have fixed these issues in recent years, but they still don't produce enough to worry any Indian manufacturer.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Gus » 13 Aug 2013 11:39

SSridhar wrote: Many bureaucrats do not have it in them to be nay sayers when the situation demands, a common Indian failing. .


can't blame them..who wants to get into 'thanni illa kaadu' (punishment posting) and keep moving around every other year with family and take ego hits of being overlooked on promotions and having to constantly watch their back for snakes..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 13 Aug 2013 12:24

Anujan wrote:The man on top never wanted to lead -- He himself is a bureaucrat waiting for political leaders to direct him. That is the main issue.

And the Congress President is leading him in the India-Pakistan affairs under the direction of the US.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby habal » 13 Aug 2013 15:11

I doubt, she is dictating him under directions from US, he is well capable of taking these dictations himself directly through PMO. It clearly has been open-season in New Delhi for western and specifically US diplomats for some time now. Totally agree with this point though which is right on target:
With the IMF once again seemingly opening its tap, under US benevolence, Pakistan may not feel compelled to need Indian trade to tide over its difficult situation. A very short-term view, but that is how Pakistan operates. The Pakistani tail is up now and whenever that goes up, India suffers.

India's policy here on should be that whenever Pakistan's tail goes up, India should not have any impact whatsoever, because we are constantly in an up-down cycle. India has managed things in an up cycle well but her true capability should be shown when she is able to manage affairs in a down cycle as well. US & other western interests have been managing these cycles for a long time now. And India shouldn't be held hostage to such cycles, & this is where Manmohan's or any leaders real challenge in Pakistan lies. Instead of looking befuddled & confused, he needs to wake up and take charge because only those leaders who can win a war can hold the keys to peace. Only those who control the hostility can leverage the key to peace. Common my man Manmohan. Time to bite the bullet.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby habal » 13 Aug 2013 16:08

The ability of US to use and abuse Sunni muslims as their personal wardogs, at behest of the Saudis, is the most remarkable feat of the 20th & 21st century. On one hand the US has committed the worst human rights violations against this group, killed their leaders like Saddam & Gaddafi and continues with drone attacks against populations of Afghanistan & Pakistan and yet like attack dogs & cockerels these only turn against each other. It is the ultimate and most successful dumbing down of any human group in history, on the biggest scale.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Atri » 13 Aug 2013 16:37

habal wrote:The ability of US to use and abuse Sunni muslims as their personal wardogs, at behest of the Saudis, is the most remarkable feat of the 20th & 21st century. On one hand the US has committed the worst human rights violations against this group, killed their leaders like Saddam & Gaddafi and continues with drone attacks against populations of Afghanistan & Pakistan and yet like attack dogs & cockerels these only turn against each other. It is the ultimate and most successful dumbing down of any human group in history, on the biggest scale.


very succinctly put. It is English parampara which US inherited after Atlantic charter...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 13 Aug 2013 17:12

PIA Office Vandalized in New Delhi by Shiv Sena - The Hindu
Absolutely unacceptable, IMO. This is the act of cowards. The response to Pakistan must be through our military and our diplomacy. This is cheap gimmickry.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby Shanmukh » 13 Aug 2013 17:31

SSridhar wrote:PIA Office Vandalized in New Delhi by Shiv Sena - The Hindu
Absolutely unacceptable, IMO. This is the act of cowards. The response to Pakistan must be through our military and our diplomacy. This is cheap gimmickry.


SS-ji,
It looks like Chindu is up to its old tricks. The attackers are `suspected' to be a group `owing allegiance to Shiv Sena', No evidence whatsoever. While I agree with you that it is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to be attacking PIA, whatever the sins of Pakistan, it may be the case that the headline is misleading. I think we should wait for more info about who is really attacking PIA offices.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 13 Aug 2013 17:41

Nagesh, to be fair to The Hindu, I added 'Shiv Sena' in the headlines. It is not there in the original. However, the report does talk of 'suspected Delhi Shiv Sena activists' and their warning to Pakistani agencies through pamphlets. Unless it is by a Pakistani tanzeem or its Indian offshoot, the IM, this act is not the way we demonstrate our anger. It is an impotent act.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

Postby James B » 13 Aug 2013 17:47

SSridhar wrote:Nagesh, to be fair to The Hindu, I added 'Shiv Sena' in the headlines. It is not there in the original. However, the report does talk of 'suspected Delhi Shiv Sena activists' and their warning to Pakistani agencies through pamphlets. Unless it is by a Pakistani tanzeem or its Indian offshoot, the IM, this act is not the way we demonstrate our anger. It is an impotent act.


Isn't our govt. impotent?. If govt. fails to act, people will take things into their own hands - not that I'm supporting it but just making an observation.

If not for fear of Shiv Sena, Paki turds would be playing in IPL for past several years.


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