Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Jul 2013 09:28

"muslim world" <--- does not exist anywhere except in the wet dream of a paki

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Jul 2013 09:44

KJoishy wrote:"muslim world" <--- does not exist anywhere except in the wet dream of a paki

It's not just their dreams..the plonkers have this embedded in their very DNA.

As the descendants of the pillaged, the plundered and the violated, Pakis desperately hold onto anything, which they believe will give them even an iota of identity or relevance.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 06 Jul 2013 13:27

Also, a bunch of think tankists have also protested the article (the author list should tell you who the Paki spokespeople in DC are).

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... wMode=HTML

How does Bharath Gopalaswamy know whether ISI has managed to infiltrate or not? His joining this email list says more about this source of funding than he may have wanted people to know.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 06 Jul 2013 14:07

Kashi wrote:AoA, we'll continue to eat grass forever
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/17816 ... s-nuclear/

This Baki sounds like Gollum from Lord of the Rings.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jul 2013 16:33

Beggars Can't be Choosers - edit, DT

Despite all the claims of the new government that it would break the begging bowl, the inevitable has happened as Pakistan seeks help from the IMF yet again.

Finance Minister Ishaq Dar and his team have vehemently tried to portray that the IMF loan is in line with the PML-N government’s homegrown fiscal policies and that the IMF had not dictated its terms in the agreed bailout package. Dar said that the conditions upon which the loan programme is contingent are part of the reforms PML-N had set forth in its party manifesto and which were also evident in the recent budget. This claim is false to the extent that in order to receive money from the IMF, the government has to levy new taxes, a measure that was not in the recent budget’s purview and had been denied until now as a possibility by Mr Dar. Moreover, the government will have to make some other tough decisions such as privatising public sector enterprises and reviving others such as PIA and the Railways that are bleeding heavily. Pakistan has had a long dismal history of borrowing from the IMF. Since 1988, Pakistan has engaged with the IMF in 11 loan programmes, out of which only four were termed successful by the IMF (and that too in terms of repayments made and not in terms of any positive effect on Pakistan’s economy). Considering Pakistan’s track record it comes as no surprise that, regardless of what the government might say, the terms offered by the IMF are harsh. The loan granted to the previous People’s Party government in 2008 was worth nearly $ 11.3 billion, significantly more than the present loan programme.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Jul 2013 16:43

Kashi wrote:
rajanb wrote:Next it will be "More electrifying than electricity".

This is a great one.

Why do I get a feeling that we may see this phrase turn up in official Paki circles, sooner than later...

sweeter than honey taller than mountain is actually a chinese idiom.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jul 2013 17:58

14 killed in train accident near Sheikhupura

SHEIKHUPURA : At least 14 people were killed and one person was injured when a rickshaw collided with a train near Sheikhupura on Saturday, reported Express News.

“There was a board that stated the rule clearly, near the crossing, but sadly, due to illiteracy in the country most people don’t know these simple rules,” he said.

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Jul 2013 18:25

Who is this Bharat Gopalswamy dude? Some lifafa clown? As someone else said, if Ejaz Haider is not an ISI mouthpiece, I don't know how an ISI mouthpiece will sound. This punk, this bloody b@stard said India is milking 26/11 even as Hafeez pig enjoys official patronage. I wonder if such a vile scum bag will be allowed within the borders of USA were he to suggest that USA is milking 9/11.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 06 Jul 2013 18:29

he is a colleague of ram narayan goldstein

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Jul 2013 18:47

So, this paki wants to compare his nation's current HDI ranking (146) with that of Liberia (174) and see if it matches Liberia's growing global status as the world's hot spot. Lets review his checklist.

A trip to Liberia - Yawn!

In 2011 my Canadian company asked me if I was interested in moving to Liberia to work on a large iron-ore mining project. I was curious to see for myself how such a country compared to my homeland Pakistan.

Checklist:

diseases ranging from malaria to diarrhoea, dysentery etc. Check
an airport that had a ... look of a busy railway station ticket counter. I felt very much at home. Check
buildings damaged by the civil war, rusting carcasses of military vehicles, and electric poles with broken power cables Check
not safe to venture out during the evening Check
no electricity supply Check
The country turned into killing fields Check
Almost the entire infrastructure (water, roads, power, telephone networks)...destroyed Check
While a democratically elected government is in place, the country is run by the United Nations(read IMF, PA...) Check
Only shops that have their own small generators stay open after dark Check
There are a few schools run by Western missionaries Check
The lone bookshop in town, when open, sells only books related to religion Check
Rusting, broken, half-sunk ships can still be seen in the harbour.Check
Medical facilities are virtually non-existent Check

But love for madr-e-watan for all mard-e-momeens is strong and, for each paki world traveler, hope lies eternal.

Since my return from Liberia, I am thankful for having Pakistan, but at the same time fearful that civil wars and sectarian conflicts may one day bring us to where Liberia is today.

Inshallah!!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Jul 2013 18:50

Rahul M wrote: sweeter than honey taller than mountain is actually a chinese idiom.

Aren't the Chinese sick and tired of hearing these syrupy platitudes?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Jul 2013 19:05

Peregrine wrote:
“There was a board that stated the rule clearly, near the crossing, but sadly, due to illiteracy in the country most people don’t know these simple rules,” he said.

what do they write on the sign boards? essay? must be a hell of a literature.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Jul 2013 19:13

anupmisra wrote:
Rahul M wrote: sweeter than honey taller than mountain is actually a chinese idiom.
Aren't the Chinese sick and tired of hearing these syrupy platitudes?

they must be ruing the day they introduced the pakis to this expression.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 06 Jul 2013 19:25

Jhujar wrote:With Chinese assistance: ECNEC set to approve three nuclear power plants

http://tribune.com.pk/story/572141/with ... er-plants/

ISLAMBAD:
The highest project approval body is set to approve over Rs1.4 trillion worth of projects today (Thursday), including three nuclear power plants of 2,400 megawatts capacity which will be built in Karachi with Chinese assistance.In total, six projects will be considered by the Executive Committee of National Economic Council (Ecnec) for approval, according to Planning Commission officials. The body is headed by Finance Minister Ishaq Dar.All these projects have one thing in common – Chinese assistance – and are being approved at a time when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is in China to deepen economic relations with the world’s second largest economy.
The body will also consider the Pakistan Remote Sensing Satellite (PRSS) project for approval, which will also be established with Chinese support. The estimated cost of this project is Rs19.7 billion, including a Rs15.8 billion foreign loan component. For the current year, Rs631 million has been allocated for the project.The satellite will be launched in 2015-16 and carry a high-resolution electro-optical payload with designed service life of five years, according to Suparco website.
Ecnec is expected to approve Karachi Coastal Power project, which is sponsored by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC). The estimated cost of this 1,100MW nuclear power plant is Rs958.8 billion including Rs692 billion foreign loan.

This project will also be built with Chinese assistance. For the current year, the government has allocated Rs6 billion in the budget for land acquisition.Karachi Nuclear Power Plant-I (Kanupp-I) and Kanupp-II may also be considered for approval by Ecnec. To keep these projects secret, the government has not added them in the meeting’s agenda, sources said. Kanupp-II will have 1,000MW power generation capacity.The agreements for implementation of these two projects were signed during the tenure of the PPP government, but later on they were put on hold indefinitely, sources said.Ecnec is also taking up for approval the 969MW Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Project with revised cost estimates. Started with an estimated cost of Rs84 billion, the revised cost is now Rs274.9 billion, according to PC officials.China had stopped processing a $448 million loan for this project due to reservations about two other projects – Safe City Islamabad and a communications project. But with the change in government in Pakistan, chances of finalisation of the loan have brightened as premier Sharif is expected to take up this matter with the Chinese authorities during his ongoing trip, sources said.Ecnec will also consider for approval the Nandipur Power Plant of 425MW, which is another case of mismanagement by the last government. Against initial cost of Rs22 billion, the revised cost stands at Rs57.4 billion.The government has added demurrage charges worth Rs1.7 billion to the cost that Chinese contractors will claim from Pakistan.

Got to hand it to the Pakis. After Saudi, UK, and USA it is now the turn of the Chinese to be blackmailed.
They will now milk China by extorting money(Will be called bilateral aid) by controlling the Uighur's and other anti-state movement in Western China.
By building a road/rail/pipeline link to west asia through Gwadar, the Chinese will be handing over their balls on a platter to the shitistanis to be twisted at their will and pleasure.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Jul 2013 19:28

anupmisra wrote:So, this paki wants to compare his nation's current HDI ranking (146) with that of Liberia (174) and see if it matches Liberia's growing global status as the world's hot spot. Lets review his checklist.

A trip to Liberia - Yawn!

The Lebanese and Indians own whatever business there is in Liberia. A shopkeeper who was an Indian Gujrati provided the only lighter moment during my stay. When I asked him how he had ended up in Liberia he told me that he was selected for a job in Libya – or so he thought. When he got off the plane it turned out to be the down and out Liberia and not oil rich Libya! Since he had no money to go back he started working in Buchanan and now owned a shop..

what is it? is the bugger trying to score over Indians?

He dutifully brought me an eraser when I asked for a razor.

a paki making an a$$ of his own accent.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 06 Jul 2013 19:39

"Next it will be "More electrifying than electricity".

sweeter than honey taller than mountain is actually a chinese idiom.

While that idiom may be from the Chinese, the new phrase is a homegrown one for Pakistan!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 06 Jul 2013 19:55

SSridhar wrote:Beggars Can't be Choosers - edit, DT
The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government and the IMF finally came to an agreement over the bailout package that is desperately needed to resuscitate Pakistan’s economy

How come an economy of 200+ million people and area of 700+ thousands sq km can fail if not received 5-6 billion dollars, or to put it right, can be saved by mere 5-6b$ ? Means either so called paki economy does not exist or the figures being reported are terribly misjudged.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jul 2013 20:28

RCase wrote:While that idiom may be from the Chinese, the new phrase is a homegrown one for Pakistan!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jul 2013 21:00

Vipul wrote:
Jhujar wrote:With Chinese assistance: ECNEC set to approve three nuclear power plants

http://tribune.com.pk/story/572141/with ... er-plants/

Got to hand it to the Pakis. After Saudi, UK, and USA it is now the turn of the Chinese to be blackmailed.
They will now milk China by extorting money(Will be called bilateral aid) by controlling the Uighur's and other anti-state movement in Western China.
By building a road/rail/pipeline link to west asia through Gwadar, the Chinese will be handing over their balls on a platter to the shitistanis to be twisted at their will and pleasure.

Vipul Ji :

The Pakistanis proclaim that the Chinese will make Gwadar a multi-faceted huge Port.

They also state that a Pipe Line will carry Persian Gulf Oil and Natural Gas – the Chinese will build an LNG receiving Terminal and Re-gasification Facility. China needs both Oil and Natural Gas for its Industry, which of course is in the Eastern Provinces.

The Chinese are supposed to Transport the Oil and Gas by Pipe Line from Gwadar to Kashgar for onward despatch to Eastern China by Pipelines

Why would China need to transport PG Origin Oil and Natural Gas from Xinjiang to Eastern China? Xinjiang is already sending Oodles of Millions of Barrels of Oil s well as of Billions of Cubic Feet of Natural Gas?

In addition China has nearly completed the Kyaukpyu Deep Sea Port – about 120 KM South East of Sitwe (Old Name Akyab) - to Kunming Oil and Gas Pipe Lines as the Malacca Straits are seemingly controlled by the You Knighted States.

As regards Non-Oil Trade the CARs transport their Trading Requirements by Rail with Europe and China and as such there is not that much scope for using the Marine mode of Transportation for their Trading.

I don’t think that Pakistan or the Islamic Block will do much to help the Uighurs in respect of getting rid of Chinese rule for the simple reason that starting in 1949 the Chinese have encouraged Millions of Han to migrate to Xinjiang there by reducing the Muslim Population content from 90-95 Per Cent in 1949 to 40-45 Per Cent now.

The Chinese will be getting Iranian Oil for many, many years to come as the Chinese Shipyards, to my knowledge, built 12 VLCC Tankers of 300,000 DWT each for the National Iranian Tanker Co. The Iranians will repay the costs of these Vessels by way of Oil AT 2009 Prices.

As such China now seems to be the biggest Oil Importer of Iranian Crude so that the extent of Pakistani “support of Uighurs” will be minimal.

AA : Kyaukpyu – Kunming Pipe Lines

China and Burma Leaders Meet, Oil and Gas Projects Move Forward

BB : Non-viability of Transporting Oil via Pipeline from Pakistan to China as compared with Transporting from PG to Eastern China by Sea.

Still a Pipedream : A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport

CC : Estimated costs of moving oil to Chongqing, China from the Persian Gulf by sea and via Pakistan :

Gwadar anybody?
Cheers

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 06 Jul 2013 22:04

http://www.dawn.com/news/1023261/a-trip ... toryPage=2

I was supposed to stay in Liberia for six months but I could not survive it for more than six weeks. Since my return from Liberia, I am thankful for having Pakistan, but at the same time fearful that civil wars and sectarian conflicts may one day bring us to where Liberia is today.

Inshallah, rare insight and clairvoyance from a Pakistani.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 06 Jul 2013 22:17

LokeshC wrote: http://jaideepprabhu.org/2013/06/26/bew ... ends-tell/
What do you guys think?

This should give you an idea about Jaideep Prabhu: http://centreright.in/2013/07/the-impor ... an-bhagat/

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Jul 2013 23:05

http://www.geo.tv/article-108228-Mumbai ... proceeding

he Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) without any proceeding adjourned the hearing of Mumbai attack case until July 20, as FIA prosecutor Azhar Chaudhry and the witnesses remained absent from the court on Saturday here, Geo News reported.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 06 Jul 2013 23:51

Peregrine wrote:CC : Estimated costs of moving oil to Chongqing, China from the Persian Gulf by sea and via Pakistan :

Gwadar anybody?
Cheers

This is classic panda brilliance. Support the most unstable formation in order to pay zero when they could pay a reasonable price and ship it through India for far cheaper cost and stability. This is the same panda brilliance that ended with China being surrounded by nuclear armed countries and NoKo turning into a belligerent nuclear armed state on its border.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Jul 2013 01:43

^^^
unlikely that "Panda brilliance" in the above context had anything to do with nuclear armed countries around Panda. Rus was going to get nuclear anyway once USA turned. Panda couldn't have stopped that if they voluntarily disbanded the PLA. Pak has 3.5 fathers, and Panda is simply one of the 3 major ones who collaborated in making Pak a nuke "power". India would have opted for nukes even if Pak wasn't. Panda being belligerent or otherwise. NoKo is a Panda munna who is playing with Japan. all other voices notwithstanding.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jul 2013 03:46

Peregrine wrote:the Chinese will build an LNG receiving Terminal and Re-gasification Facility. China needs both Oil and Natural Gas for its Industry, which of course is in the Eastern Provinces. The Chinese are supposed to Transport the Oil and Gas by Pipe Line from Gwadar to Kashgar for onward despatch to Eastern China by Pipelines.

I am pretty sure that Gwadar was and will never be a logical and economical substitute for maritime transport of essential commodities for the Chinese. Maritime law is clear on theft and piracy in international waters. Whereas, anything transported by land through a violent and ungovernable land like pa'astan must conform to its (paki) laws whatever they may be. Have they even discussed transit fees? Wait till they get to that part. The Baloch will be pissed, of course. Loans do not substitute investments. The pakis, as always, are being taken for a ride. That "taller and deeper than..." phrase will soon have a different meaning.

I think Gwadar was always meant to be a military and naval base for the Chinese to control the gulf and poke a finger in the US and Indian eyes. The rest of the reasons (oil and gas transport, import/export goods transit and container storage facility) are just a façade to placate the pakis into believing that they are just about to become the center of world trade. Best of all, the pakis are paying for it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jul 2013 04:33

Bombing in Lahore: 4 dead
While the CM of Punjab is away at China where Xi said he was 'having a liking' for both Nawaz and Shahbaz ? This is certainly the work of 'bad Taliban'.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jul 2013 07:03

The Chinese are really worried about Malaca. They want to diversify into multiple paths and modes of transportation for energy security. Pipelines from Russia, CAR and Gwadar.

Peregrine ji, in your map, you are showing a route through Palk Straits. This may not happen. It has to be around Sri Lanka.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jul 2013 07:54

Blast in Lahore's old Anarkali area kills five, 50 injured- Source: Yawn!

The Punjab capital had so far remained immune to the wave of bombings that has terrorised the three other provincial headquarters over the past four years.

What is that saying about the chickens coming home to roost?

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jul 2013 09:52

Apparently it is not the Hanood, Yehudi, Nasara trio of RAW, Mossad, and CIA out to nobble the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. It is apparently the Hanood, Yehudi, Momin trio of Mossad, RAW and “brotherly” Afghanistan’s NDS which is out to nobble the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Raw, Mossad, NDS behind terrorism in Pakistan

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 07 Jul 2013 10:25

^^^^From the above article.

RAW and Mossad are also preparing plans against the nuclear installations of Pakistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jul 2013 11:13

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan botches its polio vaccination programme:

Over half million children again miss polio vaccines in Pakistan

That is not the only botched child vaccination programme in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A few days ago there was this news item on measles which laid the blame for the present epidemic on a botched routine vaccination programme:

Pakistan’s Measles Problem

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jul 2013 11:18

Pakistan Movement: myth or reality? — 1I — Vaqar Ahmed
Jinnah"s Paki Babby was unwanted, Still Born and Retarded on Count of Incestuos Pregnancy

The League went into the elections with a clear message to the Muslim voters: “Islam is in danger if you do not have Pakistan. If you want Pakistan, vote for the Muslim League.” What Pakistan meant in terms of physical boundaries and the form of government was left vague and open-ended. This broad vision was a tactics to garner support of a large number of Muslims with differing views on what rights and concessions they wanted in the power sharing of India by invoking a perceived threat to their religious faith.Both the British and Congress could have debunked this position of the League by pointing out the real consequences, like the division of Punjab and Bengal, if the Muslims voted for a separate country. The British stayed on the sidelines, perhaps to assert their neutrality, and the Congress may have thought of ‘good riddance’ from the Muslims in the Muslim majority provinces.
Using the ‘Islam under threat’ card, the League won over the religious leaders, pirs and clerics who held sway in the rural areas of Punjab. These religious figures, in turn, issued fatwas that went to the extent of warning the Muslims that if they did not vote for Pakistan they would cease being Muslims, their marriages would be annulled and they would not be buried in Muslim graveyards. Voters were told by the pirs that they had to choose between ‘Pakistan’ and ‘Kufiristan’.
The result of the 1946 elections was a significant victory and the watershed in Muslim League’s claim of being the sole representatives of the Muslims of India. In Punjab, the League won 33 percent of the Muslim votes polled and won 75 of the 175 seats. In Bengal, the League won 95 percent and 84.6 percent of the urban and rural Muslim votes respectively and 115 of the total of 250 seats. In Sind it won 46.3 percent of the Muslim vote, while in the NWFP it secured 41 percent of those Muslims who voted. Overall, the League won 74.7 percent of the total Muslim votes at the provincial level. At the centre, the League won all the seats reserved for Muslims.
While the vote for the Muslim League, and by corollary, the mandate to create Pakistan had been obtained, there were a number of spoilers to League’s victory. First, the League’s organisation in the Muslim majority provinces was very poor and victory was achieved by breaking into the vote bank of the existing social order that could easily switch allegiance when a good opportunity beckoned. Second, the influence and power attained by the communalist Muslim pirs and clerics was bound to raise its ugly head since these pirs and clerics were not under the control of the League leadership. Nevertheless, Jinnah was satisfied with the opportunity provided by the results and as pointed out by Ayesha Jalal, “He calculated that there would be time later to impose effective control over Muslim India once the more urgent battle with Congress and the British had been won.” As Jalal goes on to point out, this was a “miscalculation” on his part. The events moved in a way that left Jinnah holding a baby with vague features that he never wanted in the first place.

Following the elections of 1946 Jinnah had expected that with his mandate from the Muslims he could now negotiate a good deal to safeguard their interests. However, what followed the elections of 1946 was a roller coaster ride that seemed in no one’s control. The British were in a rush to leave as they had concluded that it was not possible for them to exercise colonial rule over India anymore. The Cabinet Mission Plan was a last ditch initiative by the British to agree on the features of an independent India. This was the end game in a long contested match of chess, but it did not end the way Jinnah had planned it. Jinnah was ready to accept a form of government in which there would be a weak centre-controlling defence, foreign affairs and communications, and two federating units: one for the Muslims and the second for the Hindus. This solution, to quote, Jalal, “By letting the Mission know that he envisaged some form of a union government once power was transferred, Jinnah for the first time had come out with his real strategy.” But Jinnah had played his cards too close to his chest and now it was too late. The British were in a rush to pack up from India, the Muslim provinces were squabbling among themselves over their own demand, and Congress proved inflexible to accommodate Jinnah’s solution within the framework of a united India.Without caring for the consequences, a criminal omission, the colonial masters decided to divide India. A man called Radcliffe, a lawyer, came over and drew lines over the map of India to carve out two countries in the five-week time he was stipulated by his employers. What was let loose in 1940, by way of the Pakistan Resolution, as a tactics to gain power at the centre, ended up in creating two warring countries.The rest, as they say, is history, and a bloody one at that.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jul 2013 11:25

A journey across Maharashtra

Another Poaqjourney

Wherever we drove I could see the Muslim presence. Their shops with Islamic names, green banners, mosques, shrines, women in burqa and men with typical Islamic beards, was indicative of the fact that they were an integral part of Indian life. And, of course, the azan could be heard wherever we went. Some nasty communal rioting wrecked peace in Maharashtra’s main city, Mumbai in the 1990s and the late Bal Thackeray was notorious for Pakistan bashing, but the wisdom of the sufis and sages is too deeply rooted in Indian soil to spread such communal poison too deeply.
Dr Anwar remembered seeing me flying kites from our house top. I too could recall him, though the last time we saw each other from roof tops must have been at least 50 years ago. Courtesy the communication revolution and the good offices of a fine Maharashtrian, we conversed for quite some time. We also exchanged notes on India-Pakistan relations and what we could do as concerned and responsible academics to help normalise them. It was a very pleasant exchange of views.At Aurangabad, which was roughly halfway to Nagpur, we broke journey for the night. Next morning we first went to the tomb of the last Great Moghul, Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir (1616-1707). It was the simplest of constructions, not at all in the style of his predecessors. The guide told us that Aurangzeb had left instructions that no fancy edifice was to be constructed over his grave and that had been respected. I was, however, surprised to find out that a shrine next to his grave belonged to a Qadri sufi who I was told was his spiritual guide. I would have thought his spiritual guide would be from the Naqshbandi order, which is famous for its strict adherence to the Sharia. We know that his rival and elder brother, Dara Shikoh, belonged to the Qadri order and was a disciple of Mian Meer of Lahore. However, it seems both had their sufi orientation in the Qadri order.

As I stood there I thought of the Badshahi Mosque of Lahore, the biggest open mosque in the world, I believe, that Aurangzeb had built. Once upon a time the Mughal Empire over which this man ruled extended from Aurangabad in the south to Lahore and beyond in the north-west. In Pakistan he is celebrated as a hero and the real founder of the Two Nation Theory. In India he is not remembered kindly though and my friend Aakar Patel told me that Aurangzeb was an extremely competent administrator and general.Aurangabad had another connection with Pakistan and Lahore. The founder of the Jama’at-e-Islami Syed Abul Ala Maududi was born in Aurangabad and began his journalistic career in Hyderabad State to which Aurangabad belonged before the princely states were abolished in 1956 when linguistic units replaced the existing boundaries that existed between the Indian Union and the princely states. Nobody can doubt that Maududi attained the status of Pakistan’s undisputed ideologue of Islamic fundamentalism. Did he do it by undermining, what some maintain was Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s secular vision of Pakistan, or, he extended the underlying logic of the Two Nation Theory to its ultimate, though arguably from Jinnah’s point of view, unintended limit? This we can discuss another time.Aurangabad has a strong Muslim presence; 38 percent of the population is Muslim and many famous historical mosques are to be found there. Green flags were flying all around.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Jul 2013 11:43

Jhujar wrote:With Chinese assistance: ECNEC set to approve three nuclear power plants

http://tribune.com.pk/story/572141/with ... er-plants/

ISLAMBAD:
...
This project will also be built with Chinese assistance. For the current year, the government has allocated Rs6 billion in the budget for land acquisition.Karachi Nuclear Power Plant-I (Kanupp-I) and Kanupp-II may also be considered for approval by Ecnec. To keep these projects secret, the government has not added them in the meeting’s agenda, sources said. Kanupp-II will have 1,000MW power generation capacity. The agreements for implementation of these two projects were signed during the tenure of the PPP government, but later on they were put on hold indefinitely, sources said. ...The government has added demurrage charges worth Rs1.7 billion to the cost that Chinese contractors will claim from Pakistan.

I never understood bakis. If it is a *secret* project., why is it in the news in first place but not in front of the committee that approves it! Also the demurage - that is the government will ask the chinese contractors to claim demurage from pakistan to be paid to whom? Bakis., will they do "badbaki" (also known as division) from their own "demurages" (read it like division from their own musharrafs).

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 07 Jul 2013 13:08

Jhujar wrote:A journey across Maharashtra

Another Poaqjourney
my friend Aakar Patel told me that Aurangzeb was an extremely competent administrator and general.

So according to this Bekaar Patel Aurangzeb was "an extremely competent administrator and general", but Modi is "Maut ka saudagar".

Showing his true colors - green.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 07 Jul 2013 13:16

Aakar Patel tried to dawn a facade of an impartial intellectual, who only had "honest" opinion about NM.He has realized that grass is greener if one is green-opinion-friendly. A a decade of such service will ensure a job in the NAC 2020 to secure retirement.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Jul 2013 15:23

SSridhar Guru Ji :

SSridhar wrote:The Chinese are really worried about Malaca. They want to diversify into multiple paths and modes of transportation for energy security. Pipelines from Russia, CAR and Gwadar.

Peregrine ji, in your map, you are showing a route through Palk Straits. This may not happen. It has to be around Sri Lanka.

I refer you to my message Posted: 07 Jul 2013 07:03 wherein I have stated as follows :

1. Why would China need to transport PG Origin Oil and Natural Gas from Xinjiang to Eastern China? Xinjiang is already sending Oodles of Millions of Barrels of Oil as well as of Billions of Cubic Feet of Natural Gas?

2.In addition China has nearly completed the Kyaukpyu Deep Sea Port – about 120 KM South East of Sitwe (Old Name Akyab) - to Kunming Oil and Gas Pipe Lines as the Malacca Straits are seemingly controlled by the You Knighted States.

3. Still a Pipedream : A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport

The Authors of the Article seem to have been convinced by the Tamil Nadu Government that the Channel through the Palk Straits will be able to permit the passage of Loaded VLCCs basis a Channel Depth of 25 Metres. God help Tamil Nadu!

As such the Chinese will be importing their PG Origin – and possibly the West & North African Oil and Natural Gas - via the Port of Kyaukpyu thereby not only avoiding the Malacca Straits having Oil and Natural Gas Pipelines of about 1500 KM for the Oil and about 1700 KM for the Gas instead of 4000 – 5000 KM via Gwadar. Please note the Gwadar to Kashgar and thence to Shanghai is an Air Distance. The Kyaukpyu-Kunming distance is the actual Distance.

A word to the wise : Methinks the Iranians would Export their Crude of Caspian Oil Origin to China if not through the same Pipe Line then one which follows the same route. The Kazakhstan-China Oil Pipe Line is about 2300 KM.

anupmisra wrote:I am pretty sure that Gwadar was and will never be a logical and economical substitute for maritime transport of essential commodities for the Chinese. Maritime law is clear on theft and piracy in international waters. Whereas, anything transported by land through a violent and ungovernable land like pa'astan must conform to its (paki) laws whatever they may be. Have they even discussed transit fees? Wait till they get to that part. The Baloch will be pissed, of course. Loans do not substitute investments. The pakis, as always, are being taken for a ride. That "taller and deeper than..." phrase will soon have a different meaning.

I think Gwadar was always meant to be a military and naval base for the Chinese to control the gulf and poke a finger in the US and Indian eyes. The rest of the reasons (oil and gas transport, import/export goods transit and container storage facility) are just a façade to placate the pakis into believing that they are just about to become the center of world trade. Best of all, the pakis are paying for it.

anupmisra Ji :

I abso the lutely and entir the ely agree with your Analysis. One day – may be just one day – Terroristanis will realise that “the tallel than the Himalayas ad Deepel than the Ocean Fliend has taken them for the Lide of theil Life”. But, by then – as usual - it will be too late!

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Jul 2013 15:24

Abu Qatada Leaves UK And Arrives In Jordan

Today Abu Qatada - slowly the rest - especially if India has an Extradition Treaty with UK.

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Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Jul 2013 21:38

http://tribune.com.pk/story/573637/hala ... -launches/

Halalgoogling’ fetches results from leading search engines such as Google and Bing and has a built-in “advanced special filtering system that blocks Haram content according to the Law of Islam”, the press release said.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Jul 2013 00:01

This is becoming a trend - what are the implications of this?

Pak-born cricketer Sikander Raza in Zimbabwe squad for India series