Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

[disha]

^^^ Guys what is wrong with doing pappi-jhappis with ayeshas., as long as ayeshas are free and fair?

[harbans]

Ref the pappi jhappi's and tear jerk videos's that play on emotions of normal folks. There can be no peace if any sect/ religion/ orthodoxy has no respect for the tenets of Dharma. It's not possible. It's always a slide down. Sampradayic plurality and freedom of spiritual choice can only flow through respect for Dharmic tenets. The biggest mistake that well meaning individuals make is thinking that peace can flow solely from good nice emotion. No it cannot.

[anupmisra]

Ref the pappi jhappi's and tear jerk videos's that play on emotions of normal folks. There can be no peace if any sect/ religion/ orthodoxy has no respect for the tenets of Dharma. It's not possible. It's always a slide down. Sampradayic plurality and freedom of spiritual choice can only flow through respect for Dharmic tenets. The biggest mistake that well meaning individuals make is thinking that peace can flow solely from good nice emotion. No it cannot.

I wonder what "Yusufbhai's" dad was doing when rest of the lahoris were burning and looting Hindus and Sikhs homes. I have a well-to-do paki friend whose family is originally from Old Delhi. His dad, who is now probably in the '80s said to me that he wishes to be buried in Delhi. I asked him just one question "why?". He said "Behek gaye. Jald-baazi mein galti ho gayi".

[svenkat]

Lot of paki pasand pappi jhappi happening in comment section - many of them are not even Indians (goras , Pakis , BDs etc aplenty )
Anyway this interference by google into indopak equation and funneling pakipasand psyops targeted at Indian youth is unprecedented and again reveals unkils dirty hand acting behind the scenes - prepping the Indians for a tame giveaway of indian territory of Kashmir , Siachen,Sir creek and what not to the tunes of pakipasand pappi jhappi.

[Paul]

^^^^ For a minute I was expecting the ending to be the girl marrying the Paki's grandson. True Paki Pasand pappi jhappi.

[vishvak]

Or may be Indians on Gogol+ etc can convince pakis to let go of occupied J&K and also let peace loving and freedom fighters of Balochistan declare independence and join India.

[r_subramanian]

Rawalpindi clashes: Riot leaves 7 dead, dozens injured at Ashura procession

Sectarian clashes erupted at a Muharram 10 procession near Fawara Chowk in Rawalpindi that left at least seven people dead and over 50 injured, with numbers likely to go further up.
...
“The clashes started when a sermon was being delivered from a Sunni mosque on the way of the procession route. The infuriated Shias attacked the mosque and also put a cloth market at fire,” police official Waseem Ahmed claimed.
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link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/632366/rawa ... rocession/

[Nandu]

^^^^ For a minute I was expecting the ending to be the girl marrying the Paki's grandson. True Paki Pasand pappi jhappi.

Oh, it is there. See the rest of the series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lzSb0m ... Fu&index=4


BTW, as I said in Nukkad, this is not isolated. Coke did similar pappi jhappi few months ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts_4vOUDImE

[member_22872]

May be India should sponsor some of these ashuras, shia gatherings, MQM meetings etc...seems like a good investment...

[Paul]

^^^^^^It is supposed to be understood when the Paki tells his grandson "Kuch Seekh ise"!!!

[fanne]

Something is going on, 2009 election, Pepsi and Coke were into promoting youths to come out and vote (had Dhoni etc.). Itself a laudable concept. But at that time the surveys were saying that this section would vote overwhelmingly Con.
There is a plan this time. As always it is very sophisticated. Probably (and me humble guy no super psychic guy) the plot is promote these love fest (and how did they determine that this love fest will work - These MNC does humongous surveys (that seldom see the light, on teen trends etc etc). Someone collated that data and determined this kind of Ad will help a certain group in election and hurt some other (no price for guessing who). All MNCs from a particular country are on boarded (if you think, it is one hell of a coincidence that all these companies have similar ideas during election time).

[Anujan]

Apparently some random mullah was preaching on loudspeakers that Shias are bull cutlet. A ashura procession was passing by. The shias in the procession bull cutletted the talibs in the madrassa and for a good measure burned down the mosque, the madrassa, a cloth market and everything near it.

[jamwal]

[Philip]

"Peace loving Islam".Unfortunately,the followers of the religion worldwide in general have done precious little to justify that phrase.Several Islamic nations and their religio-political leadership prefer to follow the extreme ,harsh nature of the faith,sending "peace" into the dustbin.The Saudis are prime offenders for promoting Wahabi fundamentalism worldwide and in India huge covert and overt support in attempts to indoctrinate young Indian Muslims to tread the path of extremism and fundamentalism,rssulting in terrorism..

Here is a piece on how Christian minorities in Islamic nations in particular, including Pakistan are being exterminated.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/n ... rity-warsi

Christianity at risk of extinction in areas of persecution, says Warsi

UK government minister Lady Warsi says Christians are being driven out of regions around the world where they are a minority
theguardian.com, Friday 15 November 2013 09.30 GMT

Lady Warsi, who called on politicians to set the tone for religious tolerance
Faith and communities minister Lady Warsi called on politicians to set the tone for tolerance of religious minorities.
Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA

Christianity is in danger of extinction in some countries because of persecution in areas where its followers are in the minority, a British government minister has said.

Christians were being driven out of regions in countries such as Syria and Iraq, where the religion first took root, said Lady Warsi, who has responsibility for faith communities.

She raised her concerns in a speech at Georgetown University in Washington DC in which she called on politicians in countries such as Pakistan to "set the tone" for tolerance of religious minorities.

Lady Warsi told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I'm concerned that the birthplace of Christianity, the parts of the world where Christianity first spread, is now seeing large sections of the Christian community leaving, and those that are remaining feeling persecuted.

"There are huge advantages to having pluralistic societies – everything from the economy to the way people develop educationally, and therefore we all have an interest in making sure that Christian communities do continue to feel that they belong and are not persecuted in the places where this religion was born.

"One in 10 Christians live in a minority situation and large numbers of those who live in a minority situation around the world are persecuted."

In some cases, Christians were targeted for "collective punishment" by majority groups in retaliation for what they perceived as the injustices committed by western powers, she said.

"Tragically, what's happening is they are being seen as newcomers, being portrayed as an 'other' within that society, even though they have existed there for many, many centuries.

"What we are seeing, sadly, is a sense of collective punishment meted out by local groups – sometimes states, sometimes extremists. [Christians] are seen as legitimate targets for what they perceive as actions of their co-religionists. This concept of collective punishment and them being seen as agents of the west or agents of regimes is wrong. We need to speak out and raise this with the countries where this is happening."

The Foreign Office minister said she had already had "very frank conversations" with ministers in Pakistan, telling them that senior politicians had a duty to speak out against persecution and set a standard for tolerance.

She said 83% of countries had constitutions guaranteeing freedom of religion, but did not implement those provisions.

"There's an international consensus, in the form of a Human Rights Council resolution on the treatment of minorities and tolerance towards other faiths. But we need to build political will behind that.

"There was some interesting research in the US which said that the way in which a minority community is treated after an extremist incident is very much dependent on the tone that politicians set. Politicians do have a responsibility to set the tone, to mark out legal parameters as to what will and will not be tolerated."

Asked whether Lady Warsi's warning of the possible extinction of some Christian communities was correct, the leader of Catholics in England and Wales, the archbishop of Westminster, Vincent Nichols, told Today: "I think in some parts of the Middle East that is probably true.

"There are real challenges for Christians in this part of the world to support and get alongside them and also for politicians to understand that the presence of Christians is a great mediating factor, often for example between different segments of Islam.

"It's a mix that has lasted for 1,000 years and no western government should promote a course of action in the Middle East which would end with a new government which was intolerant to its historical neighbours and colleagues within the territory."

[anupmisra]

Apparently some random mullah was preaching on loudspeakers that Shias are bull cutlet. A ashura procession was passing by. The shias in the procession bull cutletted the talibs in the madrassa and for a good measure burned down the mosque, the madrassa, a cloth market and everything near it.

Makes sense. No need for half measures. Go the full monty. After all, its Fridin.

[Anindya]

Openly supporting secession-ism within India, and in the Indian capital - and we have no ability to even respond...

Will continue to back J&K rebels, Pakistan tells Hurriyat

[Nandu]

This Lady Warsi herself is a Paki, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayeeda_Wa ... ness_Warsi

[member_22872]

Openly supporting secession-ism within India, and in the Indian capital - and we have no ability to even respond...

Will continue to back J&K rebels, Pakistan tells Hurriyat

No, we are supporting the rebels, our own gov. We are the facilitators.

[g.sarkar]

This Lady Warsi herself is a Paki, right?

If she is Indian, one writes Indian, if she is Paki, politically correct is South Asian/Asian.
So, she is Asian.
Gautam

[SSridhar]

I was plainly surprised and intrigued by the following article by Ms. Radha Kumar in The Hindu today.

Renewing an India-Pakistan Peace Process ?

It is very different from her usual stance of blaming India for everything wrong between us and them.

[SSridhar]

Quickly extend MFN status: India tells Pak - Economic Times

[SSridhar]

Violence claims 8 lives in Rawalpindi - DAWN

A curfew was imposed in Rawalpindi after eight persons were killed and a market was burnt on Friday during a clash between two groups in relation to the harassment of an Ashura procession in Rawalpindi's Raja Bazar area, DawnNews reported.

[SSridhar]

Taliban Uvacha

“Those who forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan are capable of breaking up Pakistan,”

[ashish raval]

^^ don't know what Talibs consider themselves ? Modern day Spartans ! Lol. They have not faced Russian army might by any means, ask this to Chechens or Goergia which became flat in matter of months. Or may be ask Nazi soldiers of WW-II. It was CIA tactics, NATO/EU alliance, US advanced weapons and puki tactical support which meant that Russia retreated coupled. Russia today is not Soviet Union of past and has learned hard lessons in international strategic Warcraft.

Soviet Union was an unfortunate victim of what we term in finance as Crash Metrics where it everything falls and there are limited means to hedge a crash. It simply collapsed and it takes at least one generation, read twenty years, for any nation to get back on feet (on lighter note slow moving nation like India, which were denied technology typically takes three generation to get upto speed while normally they should take less than two generations, read China)

[CRamS]

I was plainly surprised and intrigued by the following article by Ms. Radha Kumar in The Hindu today.

Renewing an India-Pakistan Peace Process ?

It is very different from her usual stance of blaming India for everything wrong between us and them.

I am sorry to say so, but I was not. She may not explicitly blame India, but overall, her article mostly smacks of equal equal and she talks of some kind a "piss process" where both India's and TSP's concerns are to be met. Especially her last part. This is the fatal flaw. There can be no "piss" process until and unless TSP renounces terror as an instrument of state policy, and a good benchmark for that would be handing over 26/11 suspects and other terrorist scum. Short of this, addressing TSP's concerns as Radha Kumar puts it means handing over Kashmir to TSP which is their brazen demand for even considering movement on terror. You get the drift. Any piss process will involve compromises. TSP has not budged one inch in its obsession to wrest Kashmir, and therein lies the rub.

[abhijitm]

^^ don't know what Talibs consider themselves ? Modern day Spartans ! Lol. They have not faced Russian army might by any means, ask this to Chechens or Goergia which became flat in matter of months. Or may be ask Nazi soldiers of WW-II. It was CIA tactics, NATO/EU alliance, US advanced weapons and puki tactical support which meant that Russia retreated coupled. Russia today is not Soviet Union of past and has learned hard lessons in international strategic Warcraft.

Soviet Union was an unfortunate victim of what we term in finance as Crash Metrics where it everything falls and there are limited means to hedge a crash. It simply collapsed and it takes at least one generation, read twenty years, for any nation to get back on feet (on lighter note slow moving nation like India, which were denied technology typically takes three generation to get upto speed while normally they should take less than two generations, read China)

Talibs are simply stealing paki thunder. So far pakis were claiming that they defeated USSR. But now Talibs are claiming their rightful claim.

Even both are wrong, still enjoy

[Baikul]

Violence claims 8 lives in Rawalpindi - DAWN

A curfew was imposed in Rawalpindi after eight persons were killed and a market was burnt on Friday during a clash between two groups in relation to the harassment of an Ashura procession in Rawalpindi's Raja Bazar area, DawnNews reported.

This is turning out to be incendiary- twitter is abuzz with rumours of a very high death count, Sunnis teens with their throats slit, a burnt down mosque, and massive retaliations expected on the Shia community who appear to be the perpetrators of this incident (under provocation).

Rawalpindi is under curfew and the tension seems to be spreading.

I'm expecting that the Sunni community will not take this challenge lying down.....

[vishvak]

Sadly peaceful country has no secular media to point out color of terror and campaigns to show root cause in unjahiliya lands. The media in India only is full of such who aren't bluff masters. This is how it is willed by the most benevolent which is not secular irony but truth and peace for lesser mortals like heathens and pagaans and other such low life kufr to see and get convinced.

[anupmisra]

This is turning out to be incendiary....I'm expecting that the Sunni community will not take this challenge lying down.....

Prophetic. Pakistan imposes curfew in city after clashes

In the wake of Friday's clashes, residents of Rawalpindi, a city next to the capital that is home to a large military presence, were ordered to stay in their homes until further notice

The Sunnis who were killed were from an Islamic seminary affiliated with an anti-Shiite group, Ahle Sunnat Waljamaat.

Oneeb Anis, a spokesman for Ahle Sunnat Waljamaat, claimed 11 seminary students were killed and many more were still missing. Ahle Sunnat Waljamaat is believed to be a front for Sipah-e-Sahaba, an anti-Shiite militant group that has been banned by the Pakistani government.

Some of the Shiites snatched rifles from policemen

Shiites dragged Sunnis out of the seminary, and shot and stabbed them

So, what will the sunnys do?

A meeting of Sunni scholars is scheduled to be held later Saturday to decide on a future course of action

I bet it will not be to show the other cheek.

[anupmisra]

One of the comments to the article on Yahoo! (see above)

“What are you going to do today daddy?
“Today after breakfast, I’m going to become a martyr.”
“What’s that daddy?”
“A martyr is a great person, I’m going to blow myself up in the name of Islam.”
“Ohhh. How are you going to do that daddy?”
“I’m going to steal a van, load it with all the explosives and the C4 we have in the spare room, and then drive into the marketplace and blow up the van.”
“Wouldn’t that hurt daddy?”
“No, I’ll become a martyr and everyone will love me and respect me.”
“What about the people in the marketplace daddy?”
“Their not like us son, they deserve to die.”
“Aren’t they Pakistani too, daddy?”
“Yes they are, but their not like us.”
“Don’t they follow Mohammed like we do?”
“Yes, they do, but their not like us.”
“They don’t read the Koran?”
“Of course they read the Koran, their Islamic too.”
“I don’t understand, daddy.”
“Their not like us, that’s all. They wear brown belts and we wear black belts, that makes them different, so it’s OK, to blow them up.”
“Oh, what if you blow up someone wearing a black belt?”
“That’s OK too, because Allah wants them to be blown up, otherwise they wouldn’t be at the market today.”
“Oh, what about mommy, me and my sisters?”
“You’ll be OK, you see, Mullah Nutjobbie will pay mommy lots of money after I become a martyr for Islam.”
“Oh, OK daddy. Have fun slaughtering everyone in the marketplace.”
“Thanks son, by the way, next Tuesday is your turn.”
“But I’m only six years old.”
“Doesn’t matter, Islam wants you to become a martyr.”
“Oh, OK. I didn’t want to become a doctor anyway.”

[Baikul]

..........

So, what will the sunnys do?

A meeting of Sunni scholars is scheduled to be held later Saturday to decide on a future course of action

.....

I dunno but it is (or should be) always Sunni in Pakistaniya.

[Lalmohan]

to paraphrase another saying - "everyday is a sunni day in southern caliphate-nia"

[Prem]

..........

So, what will the sunnys do?
meeting of Sunni scholars is scheduled to be held later Saturday to decide on a future course of action

I dunno but it is (or should be) always Sunni in Pakistaniya.

Did Sunni word come out of Shunya or Shakuni ?

[Anujan]

http://dawn.com/news/1055531/clerics-ask-mullah-umar-to-help-stop-attacks

Over 100 clerics associated with the Sunni Ittehad Council have sought Afghan Taliban supremo Mullah Umar’s help to stop TTP’s terrorist activities in Pakistan. “We appeal to Mullah Umar to use his influence and order Pakistani Taliban to stop terrorism activities in the country besides making them agree to accept the constitution of an Islamic state,” the clerics said in a joint statement issued by the Council on Sunday.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/632529/joining-the-munazara/

The TTP has challenged the Sunni Ittehad Council to a ‘munazara’ (debate), and the Sunni Ittehad Council has picked up the gauntlet with minor objections on venue, time, etc. The ostensible topic for the debate is whether the attacks carried out by the TTP are truly Islamic or not.

Debate on who is the right shade of green.

[Cosmo_R]

to paraphrase another saying - "everyday is a sunni day in southern caliphate-nia"

Musically, Sunni(y) one so true

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/bobby_hebb/sunny.html

[Singha]

There are around forty million shias in tsp. too many to cleanse by the sunnis just by periodic attacks and bombs. Neither is anyone capable or willing to accept millions of shias. South afghanistan is taliban badlands and iran is a closed border.

Smaller leftover minorities like christians and hindus are being coerced and converted.

Can shias convert to sunnis? I dont think so...so we have a long term problem there. I suspect it will only get hotter as the khujli for purity leads to more and more attacks leading the shias to organize and arm themselves better.

[pgbhat]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/632529/joining-the-munazara/

The TTP has challenged the Sunni Ittehad Council to a ‘munazara’ (debate), and the Sunni Ittehad Council has picked up the gauntlet with minor objections on venue, time, etc. The ostensible topic for the debate is whether the attacks carried out by the TTP are truly Islamic or not.

Debate on who is the right shade of green.

Hmm..AK firing and bum blasts at the venue should settle that fast.

[Baikul]

The more I read about it, the more it appears that the incidents in Rawalpindi could have a significant long term impact. The killing of Sunnis by a Shia crowd has raised hackles all over that misbegotten state (only Sunnis have the right to murder, of-course), and could widen fault lines within Pakistani institutions, law and order agencies and on the street.

Have the Shia started to bare their teeth once again, or it this an isolated incident? Will Sunni led attacks on Shias intensify? This tinder box only needs a few sparks to build a heck of a fire.

Also, I couldn't help but post (keeping one eye on bredators) from a forum-across-the-border, on the Pakistan Army's attempts to maintain law and order:

Looks like Marshallah by army

Took me a while to figure out what was meant.

Pakistani 'Core' Commander: Abdul, we are imposing Marshallah.
Abdul: Marshallah, imposing? I agree that you are very imposing indeed, marshallah!
Pakistani 'Core' Commander: Not marshallah you fool, but marshallah!
Abdul: That's what I said sirjee, marshallah...

Sounds of gunfire.

[partha]

It's mid November and the name of next army chief is yet to be announced. It's only a matter of days before Kayani retires. I wonder what's happening?

Here Zaid Hamid warning (or threatening?) Nawaz Sharif to appoint a Pashtun army chief. He warns that if Nawaz Shariff takes a wrong decision in this regard he might be killed.

Watch from 23:30



It is possible that it is actually Pashtun faction of the PA that is speaking through Zaid Hamid.

[Anujan]

The Sunni-Shia kerfuffle is partially Saudis and Iranians jockeying for influence. Saudis are terrified that Iranians will patch up with US and get to keep their nukes. They have warned US to not support Muslim brotherhood (Sunni but anti-monarchy), act on Syria (Shias) which US is waffling about.

Remember that Nawaz was the guest of the Saudis and Pakis have nukes.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/16/prince-bandar-bin-sultan-saudi-arabia-s-gatsby-master-spy.html

Bandar’s goal is to undermine Iranian power: strip away Tehran’s allies like Assad and Hezbollah; stop the Shiite mullahs from acquiring nuclear weapons; roll back their regional designs; and push them out of office if there’s any way to do that.

The recently elected prime minister there, Nawaz Sharif, lived under royal protection in Saudi Arabia for much of the last decade. Journalist and scholar David Ottaway, author of the up-close Bandar biography The King's Messenger, predicted in 2009 that “if Iran did become a nuclear power and threatened the Kingdom, Pakistan could well become its principal defender rather than the United States.” In October, Yezid Sayigh of the Carnegie Middle East Center reported that the Saudis have been trying to coax the Pakistanis into a major training program for Syrian rebels.

Note that Pakis training "Syrian rebels" means that more Shias get killed in Syria. Wouldnt sit well with the local Shia population and they are likely to get enraged.