Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 28 Aug 2013 11:31

Anujan wrote:uote="anupmisra"]quote="Vinit"]From NBC News:
"From global bad boy to regional good guy: Pakistan overhauls its image" http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/25/20135965-from-global-bad-boy-to-regional-good-guy-pakistan-overhauls-its-image?lite[/Co-authored by everyone's favorite paki scribe - Wajahat S. Khan[/e]
akistan has turned a new leaf. It is a responsible country now. Pakistan has put 6 decades of bad behavior behind it and has been acting responsibly for the past day and a half. Is Pakistan the most responsible country in south Asia now?

So Pakistan have morph from Pig Embryo to Chicken Embryo. This indeed is improvement from Jinnah's days. What's next, being born as Goat to keep enjoying the old habbies.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby RCase » 28 Aug 2013 11:35

10% with H&D is a good bargain!

“I’ve no regrets. I’m exiting the Presidency with honour and dignity.”


AAZ must be satisfied. No fauji coup, meeting of the lamp post, sunroof lever, high vacuum bulb blast, IED mubaraks, mango crates etc. He enjoyed 5 years as El Presidente with fully paid trips to his chateaux in France and mansion in UK, while enjoying judicial immunity. Added bonus was trips with his family to meet sweeter than honey fliend and Visit India visa!

True to Paki form ... obsession with H&D! :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Aug 2013 11:38

^^^ i wonder if that is a jibe aimed at mushy?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby kish » 28 Aug 2013 11:59

One more reason for pakis to call for Armed Jihad. :mrgreen:

There sorry a$$es has been whooped by Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe won by 7 wicket

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 28 Aug 2013 16:48

rajanb wrote:Saw this in:

Code: Select all

http://paktribune.com/news/Rockets-fired-on-security-checkpost-in-Kohlu-262572.html


Good find. Very indicative of what pakis with internet connections think of themselves or where they want to be. In two words: Overwhelmingly Islamic. Here are the results so far:



Opinion Poll

"Which one do you approve as Pakistan's Common Identity:"

Poll Results

Pakistani (for all Pakistanis) Pakistan 769

Muslim (for Muslims of) Pakistan 9275

Islamic (Shariah) Pakistan 23430

Pluralist Pakistan 227

Secular Pakistan 7516

Language-based Pakistan 113

South-Asian Pakistan 299

Arab Pakistan 113

Central-Asian Pakistan 167

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Philip » 28 Aug 2013 17:25

The gloves are off,open challenge to India by Paki terror groups.Now what will our great Solomon say and PM-in-absentia do?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/

Pakistani militants promise surge in attacks on Indian forces in Kashmir
Pakistani militants say they are preparing to launch a fresh wave of attacks on Indian targets in Kashmir when Jihadi groups leave Afghanistan with the withdrawal of Nato troops next year.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby CRamS » 28 Aug 2013 18:05

Anujan wrote:Pakistan has turned a new leaf. It is a responsible country now. Pakistan has put 6 decades of bad behavior behind it and has been acting responsibly for the past day and a half. Is Pakistan the most responsible country in south Asia now?


Indeed, recall Uneven types declared soon after MushRat's Gubo post 9/11, that it is quite ironic that in "South Asia", TSP is "secular" who chose to align TSP with the west to take on Islamic militants while India has a Hindu nationalist" govt.

TSP's new image make over of course does not include attacks against India of course (Wajahat S. Khan didn't touch that). Routine bombing of Indian embassies in Afghanistan, or attacks along LoC, or in J&K don't matter. Its big bad India's rivalry with TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 28 Aug 2013 18:18

CRS, did Uneven respond to you ?

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 28 Aug 2013 23:59

X-Posted on the Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad

Mosques declared terrorism organisations by NYPD : Report

NEW YORK : The New York Police Department (NYPD) has secretly label entire mosques as terrorism organisations, the Associated Press reported on Wednesday.

The label has allowed the department to spy on imams and record sermons without having specific evidence of criminal activities.

This means that anyone attending the prayer service is part of organisation and can potentially be investigated and go under surveillance.

As per confidential police documents and interviews, NYPD has initiated more than a dozen “terrorism enterprise investigations” into mosques following the terror attacks on World Trade Centers (WTC) in New York.

Although mosques have never been charged for a criminal activity in New York, many TEIs have expanded to continue the on-going surveillance. The TEI, as it is known, is a police tool intended to help investigate terrorist cells and the like.

The confidential document also reveals that NYPD investigated numerous innocent Muslims and kept their information in secret files. According to interviews with federal law enforcement officials, as NYPD conducts at least a dozen enterprise investigations, FBI never did one.

Following the strategy, NYPD has also sent numerous undercover officers into mosques in order to plant informants in the Islamic institutions.

The documents were disclosed in a lawsuit against NYPD accusing the department over racial profiling while combating crime. Earlier this month, a judge ruled that the department’s use of the stop-and-frisk tactic was unconstitutional.

Two groups in the US, including the American Civil Liberties Union, have sued NYPD stating that the investigation programs are unlawful and an obstacle for Muslims to practice their faith with freedom.

These accusations have been denied by the Police Commissioner and Mayor Mike Bloomberg stating that the police do not target people without a lead.

The NYPD spokesman also refused to comment on the matter.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Aug 2013 00:23

Following the strategy, NYPD has also sent numerous undercover officers into mosques in order to plant informants in the Islamic institutions.


As I predicted in September 2001. Civil liberties or no.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby KJo » 29 Aug 2013 01:00

That's a Paki link. Are there any other news links about this? They might be fear mongering.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby member_22872 » 29 Aug 2013 01:15

Are there any other news links about this? They might be fear mongering.

Few months back there were reports of NYPD snooping on conversations inside mosques while acting as guys/contractors working on sewage lines etc., near the mosques. They also bribed or arranged guys from Paki neighbourhoods to play cricket and they hired few to act as informants.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 29 Aug 2013 01:33

First-ever Pakistan-Russia Strategic Dialogue begins in Moscow today
Poaql Ki Yeh Arzoo,Ek Owrr Fourfather Milleh

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan and Russia are all set for the first ever Strategic Dialogue that is aimed at upgrading political, diplomatic, economic and defence relations. The inaugural session of the Dialogue begins in Moscow today (Wednesday) with Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani leading the Pakistan side. The decision to have this dialogue at foreign secretary-level was taken by the two countries last year. The dialogue could subsequently be upgraded to the level of foreign ministers, just like the Pakistan-US strategic dialogue. Diplomatic sources told The Nation that the two sides will discuss bilateral economic, political, defence and security cooperation. Regional and global issues of mutual interests will also figure in the dialogue, including the Afghanistan situation. Notably both the countries have general convergence of views on key international issues including Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, Iran and Iraq. Disarmament, counter-terrorism, drug-trafficking and global security are also among the key areas of convergence between the two countries at bilateral and multilateral levels.For Islamabad the initiation of a strategic dialogue with Moscow assumes special significance as Russia is a major global power and is now effectively asserting itself as one of the five veto-wielding members of the UN Security Council.
Pakistan has ongoing defence cooperation with Russia and prospects of it bolstering are evident by recent exchange of visits by the military top brass on both sides. In a significant development military Chiefs of both the countries exchanged visits for the first time recently. Pakistan’s army chief Gen Ashfaq Kiyani visited Moscow last year and the Russian Air chief visited here earlier this month. Diplomatic sources refer to the exchange of visits as a signal of mutual interest in augmenting collaboration in the key areas of defence and security.
Pakistan and Russia have been exploring the prospects of enhanced bilateral cooperation through joint economic projects in the areas such as energy, power, railways, telecommunications and IT. Russia, which is one of the world’s leading energy producers, has offered Pakistan collaboration in oil exploration and its major transportation projects. The two countries have had collaboration in the area of space and satellite technology and in the aviation field. :rotfl: At present the two-way trade between Pakistan and Russia stands at almost US $542 million with the balance tilting in favour of Russia. The numbers are considered far low and the potential of increased trade is estimated in vicinity of US $4 billion. Russia has been supportive of Pakistan becoming full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). Pakistan has also shown its eagerness to develop strong political ties with Russia. In June 2005 Pakistan supported Russia’s bid for observer status in the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) and in turn Russia helped Pakistan obtain the observer status in the SCO.
Pakistan’s relations with Russia have been growing over the past decade with top-level political and diplomatic engagement. Pakistan’s Parliament and its envoys have repeatedly advocated the need for stronger ties with Russia during debate and discussions on Pakistan’s foreign policy priorities. Think tanks and former diplomats also appear to agree to this view. Moscow re-established a political dialogue with Islamabad in February 2003 when President Musharraf visited Russia. However, due to Russia’s active engagement with India not much headway could be made on this front at that time. President Musharraf blamed Moscow’s pro-India policy as an obstacle in the qualitative development of Pakistan-Russia relations in the post-Cold war world.
However, Russia is now no longer fixated on India and does not look at its relations through the prism of India. It is beginning to look in other directions too. The emerging global scenario and new strategic alliances including the Indo-US nuclear deal have made it accelerate engagement with more countries in the region. Moscow and Islamabad have been cooperating in the UN and on key international issues. Both share the view on the need for a multi-polar world and the centrality of the UN role in the world affairs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Prem » 29 Aug 2013 01:58

http://www.dawn.com/news/1038948/keepin ... y-in-check

Keeping Pakistan’s high Breeding in check
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Being the sixth most populous nation in the world, Pakistanis are also exposed to disease, violence, and natural disasters, which increase the odds of losing children to accidents or disease. At the same time, many consider the use of contraceptives to be un-Islamic. In addition, the preference for a male offspring is also widespread. As a result, Pakistani parents are inclined to have several children. The immediate task for the governments in Pakistan is to ensure that the rate of decline in vreeding rates observed over the past two decades continues. At the same time, the governments in Pakistan should learn from Bangladesh that has made significant progress in stemming the population tide.

Getting down to two children per family may seem an elusive target, however, Pakistanis have made huge dents in the alarmingly high fertility rates, despite the widespread opposition to family planning. Since 1988, the fertility rate in Pakistan has declined from 6.2 births per woman to 3.5 in 2009. In a country where the religious and other conservatives oppose all forms of family planning, a decline of 44 per cent in fertility rate is nothing short of a miracle.
(Many here at BRF , Inc Old Doctor have always maintained Poaqroachiegglaying rate 3.5 to3.75. By 2030, Poaqkeeras will number close to 400 Millions and leaving stain marks all over the Pavitar Indus Soil)
Meanwhile, demographic and socio-economic factors reported strong correlation with the fertility outcomes. Women who were at least 19 years old at marriage were much less likely to have four or more births than those who were younger at the time of marriage. Similarly, those who gave birth before they turned 19 were much more likely to have four or more births.The underlying variable that defines literacy and the prevalence of contraceptives in Pakistan is the economic status of the households. The survey revealed that 32 per cent of women from poor households reported six or more births compared to 21 per cent of those who were from affluent households.“The religious fundamentalists in Pakistan will continue to oppose family planning programs. They cannot, however, oppose the education of young women. The results presented here suggest that high fertility rates could be checked effectively by improving young women’s access to education. At the same time, educated mothers are the best resource for raising an educated nation.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Cosmo_R » 29 Aug 2013 02:21

KJoishy wrote:That's a Paki link. Are there any other news links about this? They might be fear mongering.


This is from Time only a step up from paki rag but still:

http://nation.time.com/2013/08/28/nypd- ... nizations/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Aug 2013 08:00

The terror with no name: Khaled Ahmed

Sectarian violence within Pakistan is related to its policy towards India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby anupmisra » 29 Aug 2013 08:08

Jhujar wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1038948/keeping-pakistans-high-fertility-in-check

Keeping Pakistan’s high Breeding in check

3.5 in 2009


3.5, eh? Lets see. 2.0 to maintain the status quo, 1.0 (if male) to donate to the jihadi cause and to perish as a martyr or (if female) for $exual jihad. What's the remaining 0.5 for?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Brad Goodman » 29 Aug 2013 08:21

Pakistan's chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry suffers public backlash
An unprecedented surge of criticism directed at Pakistan's chief justice by lawyers, politicians and even sections of a once-fawning media threatens to bring to a close years of interference in government affairs by the country's top judges.


"He's a dictator! A judicial tyrant!" said Abid Saqi, the president of Lahore's high court bar association, a powerful body representing 20,000 lawyers that in July called for the chief justice and two other judges to be charged with misconduct.

Saqi added: "He has destroyed the judiciary as an institution and destroyed the constitutions as a sacred document for his own personal aggrandisement."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Baikul » 29 Aug 2013 08:23

anupmisra wrote:
Jhujar wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1038948/keeping-pakistans-high-fertility-in-check

Keeping Pakistan’s high Breeding in check

3.5 in 2009


3.5, eh? Lets see. 2.0 to maintain the status quo, 1.0 (if male) to donate to the jihadi cause and to perish as a martyr or (if female) for $exual jihad. What's the remaining 0.5 for?


3.5 children, 3.5 friends....obviously every patriotic Baki woman is emulating the nation and with 3.5 children from her 3.5 yaars?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

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Jhujar wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1038948/keeping-pakistans-high-fertility-in-check

Keeping Pakistan’s high Breeding in check
Motta Taza HaiDeer
...The religious fundamentalists in Pakistan will continue to oppose family planning programs. They cannot, however, oppose the education of young women....

Yeah, right. We believe you.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2013 09:57

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan's chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry suffers public backlash
. . . Saqi added: "He has destroyed the judiciary as an institution and destroyed the constitutions . . ."

I was about to write, "Which Constitution" because Pakistan has many, 1956, 1961, 1962, 1970, 1971, 1973 or the 2010 constitution (which amended wholesale 102 of the 272 articles of the 1973 constitution thus qualifying to be called an entirely new one). In between, there have been Provisional Constitutions whenever a military coup took place, which I have generously not counted in.

But, then I carefully re-read what Saqi said above. He himself says ". . .and destroyed the Constitutions . . .". Well said, Saqi sir, well said. Pakistan Paindabaad.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Anujan » 29 Aug 2013 10:46

Some good news guys:

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1881375/report-indian-mujahideen-mastermind-yasin-bhatkal-arrested-near-indo-nepal-border

Indian Mujahideen founder Yasin Bhatkal was arrested near Indo-Nepal border by National Investigation Agency on Thursday.

He was reportedly arrested in a joint operation of the Delhi and Karnataka police. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies will now decide where to keep Bhatkal.


No points for guessing where he was cooling his heels for some good R&R. His brother and others are still reported to be holed up in Karachi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby sum » 29 Aug 2013 10:49

^^ Seems to be another "push-back" operation, either from Gulf or TSP?

Cant believe why this big fish should be roaming inside India when his brothers are enjoying kebabs in Karachi.

Would assume even this scum was picked up few days back and given some loving R&R by friendly IB/RAW folks in some Nepali safehouse before being "arrested" on Thursday at the border

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby chetak » 29 Aug 2013 10:57

sum wrote:^^ Seems to be another "push-back" operation, either from Gulf or TSP?

Cant believe why this big fish should be roaming inside India when his brothers are enjoying kebabs in Karachi.

Would assume even this scum was picked up few days back and given some loving R&R by friendly IB/RAW folks in some Nepali safehouse before being "arrested" on Thursday at the border


Too good to be true........

Such things are never a coincidence.

Something very funny seems to be happening.......

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Joseph » 29 Aug 2013 13:35

Anujan wrote:
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1881375/report-indian-mujahideen-mastermind-yasin-bhatkal-arrested-near-indo-nepal-border

Indian Mujahideen founder Yasin Bhatkal was arrested near Indo-Nepal border by National Investigation Agency on Thursday.

He was reportedly arrested in a joint operation of the Delhi and Karnataka police. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies will now decide where to keep Bhatkal.



After Tunda was picked up a few weeks ago, my expectation was that those wanted by India would be cautioned by the ISI to be extra careful with their movements. It appears that either the ISI didn't warn them to be extra careful or India is doing much better than the ISI expected in locating those types of people.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby sum » 29 Aug 2013 13:59

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sum wrote:Yasin Bhatkal’s arrest isn’t the end of the Indian Mujahideen

The interesting point was:
There was a long list of men, though, who evaded police, and are still at large—among them Azamgarh’s Mirza Shadab Beg, Shahnawaz Alam, and Muhammad ‘Bada’ Sajid, Gujarat’s Alamzeb Afridi, Mahrashtra’s Zulfikar Fayyaz ‘Kagazi’ and Rahil Sheikh, and Asadullah Akhtar’s own alleged co-conspirator in the Hyderabad bombings, Uttar Pradesh resident Ariz Khan.

Key leaders, more important, also escaped the police: operational commander Riyaz Shahbandri, his brother and top ideologue Iqbal Shahbandri, and the man who liaised between the network’s various cells, Abdul Subhan Qureshi. The ganglord who financed them all, Bihar’s Amir Raza Khan, is also still at large.


Each of these men could be—and perhaps already is—the next Yasin Bhatkal.


Lots of pigs still to be hunted down.

Only hope that the IB officers who did this operation aren't mercilessly hounded by a future "uber-secular" govt like how the Ishrat Jahan folks were victimised

Lots of scum still sipping zam-zam in TSP

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Deans » 29 Aug 2013 14:14

Looks to me like a push back op by the Gulf. Would be interesting if 1 of the 3.5 has ditched TSP.
Could it be that Unkil initiated this and leaned on Gulf, so that UPA gets some brownie points ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby kish » 29 Aug 2013 14:18

7 got Ijlamic death (Mujlim violently killing fellow mujlim), few bullets were wasted because 3 were just injured.

Seven killed and three injured in Karachi violence

Earlier, a body was found in Karachi’s Jamia Millia area. The victim had been shot dead.

In a separate incident, two persons were killed due to firing in Korangi Crossing and near Wireless Gate on Shahrah-e-Faisal.


This 'Korangi' & 'Jamia Millia' are like flea trap for mujlims. They get hallal deaths in these areas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby sum » 29 Aug 2013 14:22

Deans wrote:Looks to me like a push back op by the Gulf. Would be interesting if 1 of the 3.5 has ditched TSP.
Could it be that Unkil initiated this and leaned on Gulf, so that UPA gets some brownie points ?

Almost seems like it, going by timing and sudden surge of ghar-vaapsi of old scum.

Anyways, nothing to take away from our agencies for keeping track of these folk in different lands despite pressure from various "secular" netas

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Joseph » 29 Aug 2013 14:50

Deans wrote:Looks to me like a push back op by the Gulf. Would be interesting if 1 of the 3.5 has ditched TSP.
Could it be that Unkil initiated this and leaned on Gulf, so that UPA gets some brownie points ?



Could it be that Pakistan was out of step with some of the Gulf countries in regards to Morsi and the MB?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2013 16:09

Fully Posted on the “Secularism in India - Boon or Bane” Thread

1. What India's secularists can learn from south-east Asia

2. 'Indonesia challenges notion that Hindu-Muslim conflict is hardwired into our genes'

3. Remarkable to see Indonesia preserve its ancient Hindu Buddhist heritage'

4. 'So called secularists carry the greater guilt for dividing society'

Since this is the essence of Indic civilisation, is it any wonder that the largest number of visitors to holy sites of Muslims, Christians or Sikhs, are not followers of those faiths but Hindus. Mark Tully in his book No Full stops In India has aptly said that India is a Hindu nation forced to wear the ugly formless garb of Western secularism.

Hindu nationalism is a backlash against this pedantic Nehruvian aspiration, the 50-year-old soulless construct that sunders religion from its natural place in Indian public life.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby James B » 29 Aug 2013 17:12

Shakil Afridi’s 33-year jail sentence overturned

A judicial official on Thursday overturned the 33-year jail sentence of Shakil Afridi, the doctor who helped the CIA track down former al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.


dawn.com/news/1039185/shakil-afridis-33-year-jail-sentence-overturned

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Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2013 17:15

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan's chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry suffers public backlash
An unprecedented surge of criticism directed at Pakistan's chief justice by lawyers, politicians and even sections of a once-fawning media threatens to bring to a close years of interference in government affairs by the country's top judges.


"He's a dictator! A judicial tyrant!" said Abid Saqi, the president of Lahore's high court bar association, a powerful body representing 20,000 lawyers that in July called for the chief justice and two other judges to be charged with misconduct.

Saqi added: "He has destroyed the judiciary as an institution and destroyed the constitutions as a sacred document for his own personal aggrandisement."


Brad Goodman Ji :

For Many Moons Ifty the Shifty went Full Steam Ahead - of course the Army backed or shall we say "allowed" him.

What has Ifty the Shifty done to Earn the Pakistani Army's Wrath that firstly he had to let Im the Dim "Off" and now the Pakistani "Liars" want to send his hide to the Tanners in Sialkot?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2013 17:19

James B wrote:Shakil Afridi’s 33-year jail sentence overturned

A judicial official on Thursday overturned the 33-year jail sentence of Shakil Afridi, the doctor who helped the CIA track down former al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.


dawn.com/news/1039185/shakil-afridis-33-year-jail-sentence-overturned


James B :

One of the conditions to get IMF and WB "Dinero"!

The Man from U. N. C. L. E. always gets his "Man".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2013 17:24

From the Khaled Ahmed article, Terror with no name posted earlier here, the last paragraph reads
Why should the army allow Nawaz Sharif to change the India policy? Because it wants to distance itself from the non-state actors who attack the army chief every time he looks like hurting their corporate interests by switching off the conflict across the LoC. Only the radicals inside the army can reconcile the wisdom of using non-state actors with its declared objectives of national security. That is why the army chief has advised Nawaz Sharif to brandish the gun instead of the olive branch at the Taliban.


I have a lot of respect for Khaled Ahmed for his extraordinary knowledge and the steadfastness with which he has been calling the Pakistani bluff and advising them to correct their course. He has been a fearless warrior against the Pakistani state in spite of being the cousin of jihadi Islamist, Imran Khan.

However, for two reasons, I do not quite agree with his conclusion underlined above.

I, for one, had always believed that the jihadists who have been attacking India across the LoC have been the handmaiden of the PA/ISI. These are the members of the UJC (of Syed Salahuddin) and LeT and JeM, all owing allegiance to the PA/ISI. The 'bad Taliban' did issue some threats to India but their focus is elsewhere. The 'good Taliban' attack India in Afghanistan, not across the LoC. Besides, Kayani had not switched off the conflict with India at all. He was the architect of 26/11 and his Army has been killing and beheading Indian soldiers at regular intervals. There has been no let up of bomb attacks, by PA's proxies, within India or no letup in PA's support to cross-border intrusions by jihadists either.

Strangely, the last paragraph quoted above goes completely against the grain of the entire article, unless I am misreading it. Therefore, I am unable to agree with Khaled Ahmed's conclusion that somehow PA has turned around and wants to distance itself from non-state actors.

Also, when KA says, 'brandish the gun against the Taliban', he is vague. Which Taliban ? One assumes it is the 'bad Taliban'. The PA has been alternately entering into 'peace deals' with the bad Taliban, or surrendering to them, or suffering humiliating defeats or pretending to act against them or at some rare times hitting them like in South Waziristan against Mehsud or in Swat against Mullah FM or in Bajaur. The PA (or Kayani, to be more specific) seems to have suggested to Nawaz Sharif not to have a dialogue with the bad Taliban. The bad Taliban have vowed to take a revenge on the PA and the Government after Shaykh Wali-ur-Rehman was killed recently, which act the TTP blames on the PA for its collaboration with the CIA.

There has been some suggestion that the PA feels that the 'bad Taliban' phase has been eclipsed somehow or the PA is more confident of tackling the 'bad Taliban' after c. 2014. Both are extremely wrong assumptions to make, if indeed they are PA's assumptions. This might be a miscalculated reason if Kayani has advised NS to eschew dialogue with them and use force instead.

The PA's game plan here is not what is suggested by Khaled Ahmed that somehow the folly of non-state actors has been realized by the PA. The game plan is that the PA does not want a destabilizing 'bad Taliban' when the painful decade is coming to an end after all, the tide is seemingly turning in its favour both with respect to Afghanistan and the relationship with the US, and a sense of deja vu is all over the place. The PA wants a laser-like focus on India as soon as possible and wants to get rid of 'Dennes the Menace', the distractive 'bad Taliban'.

The turning over of disgruntled and hence unreliable elements such as Tunda (and possibly Yasin Bhatkal ?) could be linked to the game plan to gain the purity in its upcoming intensified phase of asymmetrical warfare with India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby CRamS » 29 Aug 2013 18:05

SSridhar wrote:CRS, did Uneven respond to you ?


Oh yes he did. He is in India now peddling his book getting a royal ass licking by the NDTV types. He said he is on some panel this Sunday.

Except for our BP raising, he offers me no insight. Like RudraJi said, don't know much influence he has but his views certainly reflect establishment thinking. He drives me furious with his "both sides" equal equal crap. At one point he mentioned that India made up the soldier be-heading claim. And for evidence he cites some leftist Tehelka chutiya. He mentioned that India has no choice but to talk or risk nuke annihilation (and of course he does the equal equal by saying TSP has no choice either). But he does agree that US didn't stop from TSP acquiring nukes for its interests, the Zia era when Soviets in Afghanistan. He is steadfast in endorsing white Moghul's fraud about India TSP rivalry in Afghanistan. And finally, the ultimate equal equal, when I mentioned US military aid to TSP, he asked what about US military cooperation with India. In short, as RudraJi mentioned, its a waste of time talking to him because he is not willing to change his mind, he has his own personal interests like peddling his book, probably looking for support to sponsor his research etc. But that he is worshiped in India tells you how much of any abyss India is in.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2013 18:19

CRS, thanks.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Postby CRamS » 29 Aug 2013 18:51

SSridhar wrote:CRS, thanks.


SS, its nothing new, but as I have been repeatedly mentioning on this forum, much to the chagrin and mockery of our forumites like R-ManJi (where is he these days), most westerners like Uneven do not see India and TSP like we do, they look at us from a colonial angle, namely, how can we be useful to their interests. And when you do that, its obvious that TSP terror against India is not even a consideration, and becomes one only if US interests with India are hurt. Now, TSP has been adept at harnessing this to its advantage even though its a terrorist cesspool. And the colonial angle also explains how the AfPak end game is being played out. Only a colonial racist will make a moral equivalence between TSP bombing Indian embassy and India helping Afghans as "rivalry".

I am not saying India prostitute itself too (in many ways it has especially under this MMS/Sonia combine, and even Vajapyee/Jassu with their "India & US are natural allies" and "my friend Strobe" crap), but at least there must be an awareness. As our good friend DocJi famously said, TSP will go down only when US goes down. BTW, Uneven does confirm one hunch that I had, and that is, BJP did feel let down big time when US refused Indian help to fight in Afghanistan and instead was out maneuvered by TSP. As much as many TSPians are braying for MushRat's blood, by that decision, he and TSPA & ISI saved TSP to live on to fight India for another day. Uneven's latest book title: "shooting for a century" (which he is talking me into buying & reading :-)) actually centers on this.

At the end of the day, boss, its survival of fittest. Post 9/11, US took care of its interests, TSP took care of its, but India missed the boat. I know India has very little leverage over US, and US was on opium high after 9/11 wanting to shoot and kill any Muslim deemed associated with mighty "Al Queda", and any of India's concerns would have been brazenly brushed aside, but maybe, just maybe, India should have taken a hard-nosed position. Namely, while India appreciates US decision to ally with a terrorist abomination to take on terrorists of interest to it, India also has been a victim of terror, and Indian interests cannot be compromised. Remember the whole f$cking post 9/11 condescending talk by US about both India & TSP are US allies in taking on Al Queda and hence should not fight each other and US will facilitate talks yada yada. This disgusting stance was taken even after TSP attacked India's parliament on 12/13/01. How could a Hindu nationalist BJP govt take this lying down without at least making some noise, I don't know. Perhaps they did, and as I said, India is just to weak to be heard.


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