Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Dilbu » 03 Feb 2014 16:52

Imran Khan will not be a part of TTP peace talks: PTI core committee
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairperson Imran Khan will not be a part of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) peace talks, the party’s core committee decided on Monday, Express News reported.
Though Imran Khan won’t be a part of the talks, it was announced that the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) government will provide full cooperation in carrying out the talks peacefully.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Dilbu » 03 Feb 2014 16:56

India ready to export power from Amritsar to Lahore
BANGALORE: While India faces energy shortage, its state of Punjab will soon be surplus, technically ready to export electricity from Amritsar to Lahore.

“This can increase if more infrastructure is added. There will be third party assurance and presently the method of payment and trying to involve the private sector are being looked into,” says Manish Mohan, Director Confederation of Indian Industry, who says he has also worked with Aman Ki Asha. :evil:

However, one view heard everywhere is why Nawaz Sharif suddenly had cold feet after initially he was so enthusiastic about importing Indian electricity. Fingers point in a familiar direction as in all matters concerning India. Initially, 259MW can be provided to Lahore.

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Postby Lalmohan » 03 Feb 2014 16:58

i guess the bijli will be saffron and not work so well in pure green djin machines...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby SSridhar » 03 Feb 2014 17:16

Sharif Wants to Settle Issues with India Through Talks

Which only means that TSP is planning a terror strike soon.

As the Pakistan government and the outlawed Taliban prepare for peace talks, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday said he wants to overcome both terrorism within the country and outstanding issues with India through dialogue as peace is vital for reviving the country’s economy.

“My only wish and prayer is that this process (talks with the Taliban) should move forward successfully, and whatever issues Pakistan faces, they should be solved through dialogue,” Mr. Sharif told the media.

“I also want Pakistan’s external issues (with) India, Afghanistan to be resolved through dialogue. There are so many issues pending for long on which we can move forward through dialogue,” he said.

Mr. Sharif, whose government has named a four-member committee for talks with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), said restoring peace through dialogue is the best option. He added peace is vital for reviving Pakistan’s economy.

He welcomed the team nominated by the Taliban to hold talks with the government’s committee.

Expressing satisfaction at the ongoing dialogue process with the Taliban, Mr. Sharif said he hoped both the committees will move forward in a positive direction to bring peace to the country.

He said he was supervising the dialogue process and Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan was in touch with the government committee to assist it in efforts to reach a positive outcome.

Meanwhile, the Taliban promised to provide security and protection to members of the negotiating committees in areas under its control.

In a statement issued to the media, TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said the Taliban’s political ‘shura’ or council would guide its committee. He said the Taliban sincerely want peace talks with the government.

One of the carrots that would be dangled in front of TTP during the 'peace talks' would be Ghazwa-e-Hind.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby SSridhar » 03 Feb 2014 17:22

Taliban's Peace Committee Meets - Dawn
The meeting, chaired by Maulana Samiul Haq, was attended by Professor Ibrahim and Maulana Abdul Aziz.

Mufti Kifayatullah could not partake in the meeting whereas [Imran] Khan was chairing a meeting of his party's core committee.

All members of the Taliban committee are eminently eligible for cutlet, more so Immy. They should not take it as a high honour to represent the TTP. The TTP is just using them for the moment and would soon make an example of them like how they did it with the Great Col. Imam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby kish » 03 Feb 2014 21:14

As usual, the land of milk & honey is flowing with blood(according to the map cited below). Arrah, the most merciful should bless whole of pakisatan painted with blood red dots.

Its Incredible to note the birth place of malsi do not have any significant terror attacks, its the hindu converts who kill the kufrs & some believers more often than not.

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Source: All terror attacks worldwide in 2012

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Postby Prasad » 04 Feb 2014 00:31

Dilbu wrote:India ready to export power from Amritsar to Lahore
BANGALORE: While India faces energy shortage, its state of Punjab will soon be surplus, technically ready to export electricity from Amritsar to Lahore.

“This can increase if more infrastructure is added. There will be third party assurance and presently the method of payment and trying to involve the private sector are being looked into,” says Manish Mohan, Director Confederation of Indian Industry, who says he has also worked with Aman Ki Asha. :evil:

However, one view heard everywhere is why Nawaz Sharif suddenly had cold feet after initially he was so enthusiastic about importing Indian electricity. Fingers point in a familiar direction as in all matters concerning India. Initially, 259MW can be provided to Lahore.

Its still a puki farticle with the associated worth. Take it with a ton of salt onlee

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby SBajwa » 04 Feb 2014 01:04

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1. “Our relationship should be strategic rather than transactional.”

Nonsense and here’s why. For the U.S.-Pakistan relationship to be “strategic,” there should be a modicum of convergence of interests in the region if not beyond. Yet, there is no evidence that this is the case. In fact, Pakistan seems most vested in undermining U.S. interests in the region. In the name of the conflict formerly known as the Global War on Terror (GWOT), the United States has given Pakistan some $27 billion in military and financial aid as well as lucrative reimbursements. However, during these same years, Pakistan has continued to aid and abet the Afghan Taliban and allied militant groups such as the Haqqani Network. These organizations are the very organizations that have killed American military and civilian personnel in Afghanistan along with those of our allies in the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and countless more Afghans, in and out of uniform. This is in addition to the flotilla of Islamist militant groups that Pakistan uses as tools of foreign policy in India. Foremost among them is the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is proscribed by the United States and which is responsible for the most lethal terror operations in India and, since 2006, has openly operated against Americans in Afghanistan.

2. “The United States has been an unreliable ally.”

Rubbish. Pakistani officials enjoy invoking the two treaties, the Central Treaty Organization (CENTO) and the Southeast Treaty Organization (SEATO) through which the United States and Pakistan ostensibly were allies. They lament that despite these partnerships and commitments, the United States did not help Pakistan in its wars with India (1965 and 1971) and even aided non-aligned India in its 1962 war with Communist China. It should be noted that Americans were never party to CENTO; rather, they maintained an observer status, and Americans were leery of letting the Pakistanis join SEATO, fearing that it was a ruse to suck the alliance into the intractable Indo-Pakistan dispute. In point of fact, Pakistani officials beginning with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Liaquat Ali Khan, and General Ayub Khan repeatedly sought to join American military alliances in exchange for money and war materiel.

While Pakistan professed a commitment to America’s anti-Communist agenda, it sought these partnerships to build its military capabilities to continue challenging India. Until the 1950s, the United States had no such interest in Pakistan.

When the United States finally embraced such partnerships, the treaties were specifically designed to combat Communist aggression ensuring that the United States had no obligation to support Pakistan in its wars with India. The United States certainly had no obligation to support Pakistan in the 1965 war with India, which it started. Pakistan’s grouses about the American position during the 1971 war is particularly disingenuous. As Gary Bass has detailed, President Nixon violated numerous American laws to continue providing military support to the abusive West Pakistani regime as it prosecuted a genocidal campaign against the Bengalis in East Pakistan.

3. “The United States used Pakistan for its anti-Soviet jihad.”

More fiction. Pakistan and Afghanistan came into conflict immediately after Pakistan’s independence because Afghanistan rejected Pakistan’s membership in the United Nations and laid claim to large swaths of Pakistani territory in Balochistan, the tribal areas, and in the then-Northwest Frontier Province. As such, Pakistan began instrumentalizing Islamists in Afghanistan as early as the 1950s. Following the ouster of King Zahir Shah by Mohammed Daoud Khan in 1973, Daoud began prosecuting Afghanistan’s Islamists who opposed his modernizing policies. Shia Islamists fled to Iran and Sunni Islamists generally fled to Pakistan. In 1974, then-civilian Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto established a cell within Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence Directorate (ISI) to mobilize these exiled dissidents for anti-regime operations in Afghanistan. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq continued the nascent “Afghan jihad” after seizing power from Bhutto in 1977.

Despite Zia’s numerous pleas for support, the Carter administration had no interest in supporting Pakistan’s jihad in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion. In fact, in April of 1979, the administration sanctioned Pakistan for violating U.S. law with respect to progress on its nuclear weapons program. The United States did not begin overtly funding Zia’s “Afghan jihad” until 1982, only after the pro-Zia Reagan government was able to secure waivers for such aid due to the 1979 sanctions. Needless to say, the Reagan administration fully supported the “jihad” in Afghanistan. However, it is important to note that Pakistan funded its own Afghan policy out of its own resources well before the first American dollar entered the fray.

4. “The United States is responsible for the development of al Qaeda and Islamist militancy.”

Not entirely a pack of lies. It was not the United States that conceived of the struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan as a “jihad.” That was Pakistan’s own invention. Pakistan was very distrustful of Pashtun nationalism and feared that an ethnic mobilization in Afghanistan would give a fillip to Pakistan’s own restless Pashtuns. Pakistan insisted upon a jihad and the Reagan Administration vigorously supported the operation, with Saudi assistance. The ISI insisted that it receive the funds from the CIA and run the jihadi groups. The ISI sought to limit the CIA’s access to the jihadi organizations and to the ISI. These fire walls remained intact, despite the CIA’s efforts to subvert them.

Owing to the ISI cell established by Z.A. Bhutto and subsequently maintained by Zia, the main militant groups were established and in place before the Soviets crossed the Amu Darya on Christmas Day 1979. That anti-Soviet jihad surely was the crucible that gave birth to the global Islamist militancy that mobilized under the banner of al-Qaeda. It is difficult to imagine the existence of al-Qaeda had the United States supported the insurgency in Afghanistan on ethnic rather than jihadist terms.

5. “The United States created the Taliban.”

Nonsense. This assertion deliberately conflates the so-called Afghan jihadi organizations from the 1970s and 1980s with the Taliban movement that emerged after 1994. Curiously, the former tended to be associated with the Jamaat-e-Islami variety of South Asian Islam while the latter are nearly exclusively Deobandi in orientation.

While the United States, along with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, heavily funded the Islamist militants fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, the United States left the region in 1989. Pakistan remained engaged. General Zia was nonplussed that the Geneva Accords were signed to end the conflict in Afghanistan without an explicit statement that an Islamist government would be ensconced in Kabul. Pakistan continued to support the various Islamist militants, hoping that one would be able to stabilize Afghanistan and would act on Pakistan’s interests. First, the Pakistanis supported the Pashtun Islamist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. When he failed to bring a pro-Pakistan, stable government, Pakistan switched support to the Taliban under the watch of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. The Taliban emerged from an archipelago of Deobandi madrassahs in Pakistan who coalesced to challenge the predations of the jihad-era warlords who were ravaging Afghanistan. While the ISI did not create the Taliban, it did provide all the necessary support that enabled the organization to control most of Afghanistan by 1998. The United States at times flirted with recognizing the Taliban, but it did not create—much less facilitate—its rise.

6. “Pakistan has lost more due to its participation in the Global War on Terrorism than it has gained in U.S. assistance.”

Depends upon who is counting and what is counted. This claim has two components: economic and human.

With respect to the first, American and Pakistani interlocutors disagree on the actual amount of funding Pakistan has received and where that money went once it arrived in Pakistan. Much ($10.7 billion) of the American cash flowing to Pakistan has been in the form of Coalition Support Funds, which were intended to reimburse Pakistan’s military for the marginal costs associated with supporting the GWOT. Americans note that the terms of reimbursement were lucrative and lament there was little oversight of the program. That is the fault of the United States for poor scrutiny as much as it is Pakistan’s for submitting bogus or inflated claims. Pakistan’s military has complained that it has seen only a portion of this amount as the Pakistan government took a share first. The army grouses that it has become an “army for rent” in the eyes of Pakistanis and has suffered considerable losses while being deprived its economic dues.

So Pakistan is right to question the degree of American generosity and it is right to question whether payments for “services rendered” is even generosity. However, Pakistan is one of the biggest reasons why we are fighting the GWOT in the first place. The Pakistanis made the Taliban the effective force that they were on September 10, 2001, and Pakistan continues to undermine U.S. efforts to retard the Taliban’s efforts to retake power in Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden was safely ensconced in Abbottabad despite ten years of Pakistan assurances that he was not in Pakistan. And apart from the Taliban, Pakistan is responsible for much of the Islamist terrorism in India.

With respect to the second consideration, Pakistan asserts that it has been a victim of terror since 2001. Pakistanis claim that this is due to militant anger with Pakistan’s support of the United States and its various war efforts. There is some truth to this claim. However, the very militants savaging Pakistan are offshoots of the same militants that the state has long nurtured. Whose fault is this?

In fact, there is a strong case to be made that Pakistan owes India and the West generally, and the United States in particular, because of the enormous human and financial costs these states have had to undertake to manage a terrorism problem, much of which has a Pakistani “return address.”

7. “We care about Usama Bin Laden as much as you.”

Prove it. Pakistan’s government undertook a “comprehensive” examination of how it is that the world’s most wanted terrorist was found a stone’s throw from Pakistan’s premier military academy. The leaked report from the so-called Abbottabad Commission details Herculean incompetence and ineptitude. However, no one has been arrested for harboring Bin Laden. In fact, the only person that Pakistan has arrested was the doctor, Shakil Afridi, who cooperated with the CIA‘s efforts to locate him. If Pakistan’s military and intelligence agency seriously understood the gravity of the problem associated with Mr. Bin Laden’s lengthy sanctuary in an important cantonment town, someone should have been sacked (for example, the Intelligence Chief, the Army Chief, police and/or ministry of interior officials). And, if Pakistan was as serious about the “UBL” problem as it claims, it certainly should have identified and arrested collaborators who facilitated Bin Laden’s peri-urban redoubt.

8. “Pakistan has an enduring interest with peace with India.”

Really? Tell me more. Pakistan has started every war with India over Kashmir and then failed to win any of them. Pakistan continues to sustain a flotilla of militant groups whose stated objectives are to coerce India to make some concession to Pakistan on Kashmir and generally to foment communal violence between India’s Hindu and Muslim communities. These groups now operate throughout India. Under Pakistan’s expanding nuclear umbrella, these groups have been able to undertake attacks far beyond Kashmir including the 2001 attack on India’s parliament, the 2006 attack on Mumbai’s commuter rail system and the 2008 multi-day siege of Mumbai among numerous other lesser known rampages. While it is true that Pakistan must implement a defense policy based on India’s defense capabilities rather than assumptions about India’s most magnanimous intentions, it is also true that India would have no interest in Pakistan if it were not for the numerous terrorist groups that Pakistan supports.

9. “Pakistan wants a stable Afghanistan.”

Maybe. Pakistan does want a stable Afghanistan provided that it is hostile to India and amenable to Pakistan. Pakistan has never accepted Afghanistan as a neighbor and insists upon it being a client state. If Pakistan cannot create an Islamist, pro-Pakistan regime in Kabul that is inhospitable to India, it would prefer chaos that it can manage.

Pakistan is seeking to calibrate many different developments in Afghanistan. First, it wants the United States to retain some presence such that it can continue marketing its relevance to Washington. Second, it wants some degree of Taliban representation in the Afghan government. However, it is not in Pakistan’s interests that the Taliban reconquer Afghanistan. After all, some Talibs hate Pakistan as much if not more than they hate the United States. An anti-Pakistan Taliban government could even offer reverse sanctuary to the Pakistani Taliban who fight the Pakistani state. This means that the Pakistanis prefer that the United States prop up a weak regime in Kabul. This will ensure permanent Pakistani relevance to Washington (and a concomitant stream of revenue) and it will encourage the Afghan Taliban to remain focused on Afghanistan—not Pakistan. As the U.S. security umbrella retracts, Pakistan can be sure that India will make a hasty retreat from the areas most important to Pakistan in the south and east of Afghanistan.

10. “The biggest hindrance to U.S.-Pakistan relations is a ‘trust deficit.’”

Is it Ground Hog Day? Pakistan has long marshalled a highly stylized history of American perfidy such that it can guilt the Americans into continued support. However, as the above shows, the problem is not a deficit of trust, but rather, a surplus of certitude. Both sides fully understand that America’s allies such as India are Pakistan’s enemies and Pakistan’s allies, such as the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba, are the enemies of the United States. Both sides are certain that they want fundamentally different futures in Afghanistan and in India. Thus the biggest hindrance is the obfuscated reality that, in many ways, the United States and Pakistan are more enemies than they are allies.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Peregrine » 04 Feb 2014 03:19

kish wrote:As usual, the land of milk & honey is flowing with blood(according to the map cited below). Arrah, the most merciful should bless whole of pakisatan painted with blood red dots.

Its Incredible to note the birth place of malsi do not have any significant terror attacks, its the hindu converts who kill the kufrs & some believers more often than not.

Source: All terror attacks worldwide in 2012

kish Ji :

Elementary my Dear Watson. The Minkey controls the Terrorist - be they Al Qaeda or Taliban or other Islamic Based Terrorists.

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Postby Peregrine » 04 Feb 2014 03:33


Aditya_V wrote:Does that mean lots of parts in the JF-17 are Yehudi??

Aditya_V Ji :

The Yehudis do have "Defence Production" relations with Panda.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Dilbu » 04 Feb 2014 11:32

Now newspapers have started calling him Mush, Mushy etc. :lol:
Mush served arrest warrants
RAWALPINDI - Former President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf on Monday handed over the surety bonds worth Rs 2.5 million to the Islamabad police at his VVIP ward in Armed Forces Institute of Cardiology (AFIC) where he was admitted after pain in his chest.
“This act of Musharraf has reduced the chances of his arrest in the high treason case being heard by a special court,” an Islamabad police official, requesting anonymity, told The Nation on Monday. “Police have took the surety bonds and will submit their reply on Tuesday,” he added.

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Postby Dilbu » 04 Feb 2014 11:34

4 policemen die in attack
Karachi: In the second major attack targeting law enforcement officials in less than two weeks, at least four policemen were killed when their patrol van came under fire in Karachi’s Ibrahim Hyderi on Monday evening.
A police patrolling officer, head constable and two constables were attacked by armed assailants while they were on a routine patrol mission in the area.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby wig » 04 Feb 2014 17:05

meanwhile in ukistan
a former Ukip spokesman who represented the party in TV and radio appearances used to be the “boss” of a kidnapping gang in Pakistan, it has been reported.

Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto, who was identified as the party’s Commonwealth spokesman between March and December 2013, first flew to Manchester to take payment of a £56,000 ransom for a high-profile 2004 kidnapping, according to an investigation by BBC’s Newsnight programme.

While other members of Bhutto’s gang were sentenced to the death penalty for their convictions in 2005, he admitted to being the “boss” at Manchester Crown Court and was sentenced to seven years at a UK jail.

In 2011 he became a member of Ukip, the BBC reported. He went on to appear as a spokesman for the party on the BBC debating show The Big Questions, and organised a trip to a mosque in Leeds for the party leader Nigel Farage.

Bhutto, who is still a wanted man in Pakistan, has claimed the charges against him were “simply because of political rivalry”. He told Newsnight he admitted to leading the kidnapping gang in 2005 to avoid the risk of deportation and being hanged.

A Ukip spokesperson told the BBC that Bhutto, 35, had recently resigned as a member of the party. “When we recently became aware of possible issues relating to his past and raised the matter with him, he resigned his membership,” the spokesperson said.

Bhutto, who said in a TV appearance last year that Ukip want “controlled immigration where we know who’s coming in, who’s going out”, is the latest in a string of party members to be involved in controversy in recent months.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 06226.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Brad Goodman » 04 Feb 2014 17:37

Pakistan Has A Month’s Worth Of Water Left — And 5 Percent Of Its Tree Cover

Pakistan is one of the most vulnerable countries in the world to the impacts of climate change due to its location, population and environmental degradation. According to a 2013 report from the Asian Development Bank, Pakistan has one month of water supply on hand. The recommended amount is 1,000 days. 80 percent of Pakistan’s agriculture relies on irrigation from the overstressed water system.

Pakistan’s average temperature is expected to increase around 3 degrees Celsius within the next 50 years — this will make food and water challenges even more taxing. A new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change concludes that people are already migrating out of the Pakistan for just these reasons.


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Postby Peregrine » 04 Feb 2014 21:37

Suicide bomber kills 8 in Peshawar

PESHAWAR : At least eight people have been killed and many others including children and women injured when a blast took place here on Tuesday, Geo News reported.

According to police, the blast took place in Koocha Risaldar area of Qissa Khawani Bazaar near a restaurant, ,killing eight and injuring 40 others.

Shafqat Malik, AIG Bomb Disposal Squad, said a suicide bomber blew himself up in the area. The blast damaged many shops and residential compounds.

Geo's correspondent says the bomb went off near the restaurant, sending of plumes of smoke.

The injured were taken to hospitals where some of them having multiple injuries were in critical condition.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby ArmenT » 04 Feb 2014 22:08

Dilbu wrote:Now newspapers have started calling him Mush, Mushy etc. :lol:
Mush served arrest warrants

That fact is now in the dictionary under the Jarnail's entry.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Prem » 04 Feb 2014 22:14

Congratulations to South Asianas, Satya Nadella is nou Microsoft CEO!! Special Thanks to Paki for not putting up their special talent to compete with him.

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Postby Peregrine » 04 Feb 2014 22:19

Posting in full :

Let the closet and open fundos now deliver – Ayaz Amir

Criticism is useless and it should be kept on hold. The dialogue process with the Taliban is firmly in the hands of fundos and open or covert sympathisers of the Taliban. To Rahimullah, our respected colleague, this does not apply but the other three members nominated by the government – Allama Irfan Siddiqui, Major Amir and Rustam Shah – are all Taliban sympathisers. There is nothing wrong with this…this circumstance just has to be noted.

About the team selected by the Taliban – from Imran Khan downwards – no apology or qualification is necessary. They are all dyed-in-the-wool religious rightists and Taliban sympathisers. Again this is just to note the fact and not to be critical of them. But for lifting the cloak from Imran Khan’s back the Taliban deserve our thanks. There was no shroud of ambiguity regarding Imran’s leanings but the fig-leaf that remained even that has been rent asunder.

But, as I say, let criticism cease. The initiative is in their hands. Not just the ball but the entire cricket pitch is in their court. So let our carping or whining not matter. Let the fundos from both sides, birds of a feather, now deliver and if they do at least I – who have no wish to be foolhardy when appeasement and kowtowing before the inevitable are the flavours of not just the season but the times – will apply for membership in the holy ranks of the Taliban, in their media section if it comes to that.

The first peace deal with Commander Nek Muhammad added to his legitimacy in tribal eyes and turned him into a powerful warlord. After his death (in a drone strike) the second peace deal with Baitullah Mehsud helped Baitullah to become the chief of the Pakistani Taliban. The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) was formally announced and Baitullah Mehsud proceeded to eliminate the entire old tribal leadership across the seven agencies of Fata. The way the talks offer now has been made to the Taliban makes them, in the public eye, equal interlocutors with the state of Pakistan, their standing immeasurably enhanced.

At Tashkent and Shimla Pakistan negotiated with India. Somewhere around Peshawar Pakistan will now be negotiating with the Taliban. Again, nothing wrong with this…this is the new reality and we have brought it upon ourselves. We sowed the wind; it stands to reason that we should reap the whirlwind. As the Lord Buddha says, effects happen because of causes.

The Taliban must be chuckling to themselves. But it’s not all their doing. They haven’t made monkeys of the state of Pakistan. Pakistan has done this to itself: through dithering, confusion and lack of spine. Circumstances also have something to do with this. After all, this is a government, a governing dispensation, not imposed from above but chosen by us, or chosen by Punjab for itself and the rest of Pakistan. Again, logical effects must flow from this cause.

But as we await events, let us not be taken in by our own cleverness. If these moves come to nothing, if the Taliban remain intransigent, let no one think that the onus of failure will fall on the Taliban. With Taliban apologists and sympathisers packing the negotiating table, it is the government or the army which will be blamed. The Taliban will be painted as innocent shepherds from the desert. And army morale, already not very high, will plummet further. Any recourse to arms then far from being smooth will be tougher. And the Taliban apologists will keep drumming the theme that the government is to blame or that ‘hidden hands’ did not allow the talks to succeed.

But one excuse, to our chagrin, we will be without. The Americans, I can almost bet on this, are not going to oblige us by carrying out any drone attack during the duration of this drama. As we twist in the wind they will not come to our rescue by providing us and Chaudhry Nisar any excuse for the failure of the talks. Cruel fate: when we need a drone attack the most we won’t get one.

In any event, this much should be clear even to minds not of the clearest, that the Taliban are gunning for victory not surrender. They are not about to lay down their arms and beg forgiveness for their transgressions. What then are we ready to concede to them to bring them to the path of peace and coexistence? They won’t be satisfied with homilies or appeals to patriotism and reason. Their understanding of patriotism is different from ours; their valuation of reason different.

We are for letting things be as they are. They are for accepting peace on their terms. They talk about Shariah and Islam but these are vague terms, vague in the sense that anyone can put what meaning is desired on them. So these talks will come down to what the state of Pakistan is willing to concede. How much then are we willing to surrender?

Or are these peace talks just a ploy to prepare for decisive military action? But can any of our geniuses tell us what we will gain by this subterfuge, if that is what it is? In what way will this prepare us better for war? Our bonzes and leading lights have sowed enough confusion and division and if they are hoping that from this will arise greater unity of purpose they are living in a world of their own. The Taliban apologists, the religious parties, muftis and divines, and their drumbeaters in the media, will keep saying that peace was not given a fair chance and denounce the government and the army. What will we have gained then by this roundabout route across the mountains?

It’s a mug’s game going on and unless our collective understanding is completely frozen we should try to grasp the essentials of it. The present rulers are not the idiots or bholas (simpletons) we may make them out to be. About the Taliban and the threat from that quarter they may hem and haw and dither and outsource the whole issue of talks to Taliban sympathisers but that is because this whole shadow play of war and peace doesn’t really strike any resonant chord in their hearts.

What does strike a chord are different issues and when it comes to them it is all purpose and decisiveness and no dithering whatsoever: the heaping of quiet, covert favours on fellow capitalists like power producers and the like; pushing towards the loot sale of state assets in the name of efficiency and the cutting of losses; and visible gimmicks such as elevated metro-bus services.

And there are well-meaning souls, bleeding-heart patriots, who genuinely call this development. There was plenty that happened during the Musharraf era: cheap consumer finance, cars on roads, money pouring into real estate, useless expressways in Islamabad, too many of them, to the point where the city looks gridlocked. Would anyone call this ‘development’?

There are so many other things to attend to: law and order, resourcing the police and courts, strengthening public services, government schools and hospitals. But no, even as the basics of economic policy are geared towards the further empowerment of different industrial mafias, there must be some showy endeavours to convey the idea of development. The Lahore metro bus is the biggest aesthetic calamity to hit Lahore since the invasions of Nadir Shah and Ahmed Shah Abdali. But we are to have more of these disasters in other cities, even as public services deteriorate and perish.

Meanwhile, attracting all the band-playing is the drama of talks with the Taliban. Six months – from now until July – is what we have for these games. Then with the Americans speeding up their departure from Afghanistan a different reality will start setting in, a time when the kind of cleverness at which we are good will be of not much use. Phir hum aur uss bewafa ka shehr… but let us enjoy the present spectacle while it lasts. And here’s to all the muftis and divines: may their pious expressions pull some rabbit out of the hat which is the mess of our circumstances.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby arun » 04 Feb 2014 22:53

Peregrine wrote:Suicide bomber kills 8 in Peshawar

PESHAWAR : At least eight people have been killed and many others including children and women injured when a blast took place here on Tuesday, Geo News reported.

According to police, the blast took place in Koocha Risaldar area of Qissa Khawani Bazaar near a restaurant, ,killing eight and injuring 40 others.

Shafqat Malik, AIG Bomb Disposal Squad, said a suicide bomber blew himself up in the area. The blast damaged many shops and residential compounds.

Geo's correspondent says the bomb went off near the restaurant, sending of plumes of smoke.

The injured were taken to hospitals where some of them having multiple injuries were in critical condition.
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After that demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan in Peshawar, a plain vanilla demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan in Karachi.

Are these incidents a case of green on green Intra-Mohammadden violence or would they be the exception to Pakistani formulation that since Islam is the Religion of Peace no Mohammadden can kill another Mohammadden making these incidents a Hindu, Christian and Jewish plot orchestrated by RAW, CIA and Mossad to malign Pakistan and Mohammaddenism?

Blast derails Shalimar Express outside Karachi, 30 injured

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Yogi_G » 04 Feb 2014 23:01

Lalmohan wrote:i guess the bijli will be saffron and not work so well in pure green djin machines...


ju kaffir, its technically Pakistani current...all the current being given by India was originally taken from the waters of the rivers running from India into Pakistan. Now the water in Pakistan doesnt have kurrent, India is repaying the losses just like Amrika is repaying for "waar on terror"...

See Paki is so intelligent, making both yindoo and yankee pay to them for what is rightfull theirs.

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Peregrine » 05 Feb 2014 02:37

‘Jail’ operations: Musharraf’s security has cost national kitty Rs100 million
ISLAMABAD : Expenditure on security for former president Pervez Musharraf have crossed the Rs100 million threshold in just nine months. Over 400 police and rangers personnel are guarding the former dictator.

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Postby Peregrine » 05 Feb 2014 02:40

IP pipeline : Govt cannot undertake project as sanctions loom

ISLAMABAD : Pakistan has formally conveyed to Iran that the gas pipeline project could not be pushed ahead because of the threat of US sanctions and sought an extension in the project deadline in a last-ditch attempt to avoid penalty. However, it has received no immediate assurances.

A Pakistani team met officials in Tehran recently, where it called for extending the deadline for completing the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project. Under the schedule, first flow of gas must start in December 2014. In case of failure, Pakistan will have to pay a penalty of $3 million per day under the Gas Sale and Purchase Agreement (GSPA).

According to sources, during recent talks in Tehran, the Pakistani delegation stressed that they were sincere about executing the project but they had not been able to raise funds and even bring equipment for the pipeline.

They further said two companies – Germany-based Siemens and US-based General Electric – had expertise in manufacturing compressors to pump gas into the pipeline, but Pakistan would not be able to purchase from these companies due to US opposition.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby RCase » 05 Feb 2014 03:33

Jhujar wrote:Congratulations to South Asianas, Satya Nadella is nou Microsoft CEO!! Special Thanks to Paki for not putting up their special talent to compete with him.


This is grave injustice to Pakistan. How come Pakistan did not protest in the UN, ICJ or Microsoft board against evil Yindian hegemonic designs? Not taking into account Pakistan's sensitivities will only strengthen the hands of the militants. :((

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Jhujar wrote:Congratulations to South Asianas, Satya Nadella is nou Microsoft CEO!! Special Thanks to Paki for not putting up their special talent to compete with him.


RCase wrote:This is grave injustice to Pakistan. How come Pakistan did not protest in the UN, ICJ or Microsoft board against evil Yindian hegemonic designs? Not taking into account Pakistan's sensitivities will only strengthen the hands of the militants. :((


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Anujan » 05 Feb 2014 05:05



This very same fella was singing praises of the "Mujahideen" in kargil and Jihad in Kashmir and wondering why the middle and upper classes aren't doing more to fight in the path of Allah.

Everyone becomes a liberal secular when they are asked to bend over.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1074319/the-great-divide

SETTING aside the threat of war, it is instructive and not a little inspiring to consider the courage and skill of the fighters who are challenging the might of the Indian army and air force along the cruel heights of Drass and Kargil in Indian-held Kashmir. Risking a battle in which the chances of death outweigh those of remaining alive requires motivation of a high order. Whatever the Indian side may say, these fighters have a better right than most to call themselves mujahideen, those who fight in the way of Allah.

Whether any or most of these fighters acquired their combat skills in Afghanistan is a matter of detail. What is important is that their spiritual outlook has been shaped by the Afghan experience which they, and a goodly part of the religious and military establishment in Pakistan, considers to have been a true jehad. It was the spirit of jehad which drove the Soviet army from Afghanistan. It is the spirit of jehad which can drive the Indian army from Kashmir.

But it does mean that if we are to sustain this policy it must become the common property not only of madrassa students, great as their contribution is, but of all Pakistanis, including those from the affluent classes. Why must only the poor go to Kargil? Why not others? Who provides the volunteers for such organizations as Lashkar-I-Tayyaba, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, etc? Is mainstream Pakistan represented in them?


Why is he resisting the magnificent mujahideen who want to purify all of Pakistani society first and then recruit all of them to free the oppressed worldwide?

He wanted the spiritual and combat skills learned in Afghanistan to spread all over Pakistan. Why this sudden change of heart now?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Lilo » 05 Feb 2014 06:49

^ Because the kind of thought reproaching Islamic fundoos is fashionable to do so (since 2001 and possibly ending in 2014) in RAPE(local and forrin) circles , at whom the English language Yawn is targeted.
As opposed to the Mujahadein urf Freedom fighters urf Terrorists urf NonState actors (but actually Mercenaries paid in Virgins after death) hero worshipping which was fashionable in the 90s Kashmiri "freedom struggle" phase.

Ergo these gasbags in Yawn are not the ones who determine what's fashionable or not and are just hollow placeholders filling opinion columns (using various column generators) in Yawn and other "liberal" rags of pakiland and the major fashion setters in Pind may still explicitly revert back to the old fashions when the expected opportunity in Kashmir and or Afghanistan presents itself with the premise of ineffective internal Paki Jihad as long as the home grown Jihads are directed externally.

Above all else is Western MSM and periodic Rambo movies as specified by Al-Ciada et al which set the absolute Haute fashion standards from DC (as it did in Afghan jihad of 80s and further) for the rest of the "civilized" world - including the RAPE and WKK s infesting various drawing rooms in pakilands scattered across the worlds.

The X factor in all above is the Islamic fashion symbolized by White Silken thobes covering black panties and pantyhoses perpetually emanating from the pissful sands of Saudi Barbaria.

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Postby anupmisra » 05 Feb 2014 06:49



Just to be clear, subsequent news reports admit that this was a sectarian attack on a shia-masjid.

Suicide blast near Imambargah...in Peshawar

a powerful bomb blast ripped through a local hotel frequented mostly by Shias
Most of the dead and wounded were Shias

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Prem » 05 Feb 2014 06:59

RCase wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Congratulations to South Asianas, Satya Nadella is nou Microsoft CEO!! Special Thanks to Paki for not putting up their special talent to compete with him.


This is grave injustice to Pakistan. How come Pakistan did not protest in the UN, ICJ or Microsoft board against evil Yindian hegemonic designs? Not taking into account Pakistan's sensitivities will only strengthen the hands of the militants. :((


GOI & JNU other Secular parties have asked Nadella to donate half the pay to Bakistan to show the solidarity as South Asian.

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Postby anupmisra » 05 Feb 2014 07:23



There! Corrected it. By the way, here's a bunch of loyal arap-pakis singing their hearts out "waaanting to beee more daisert". PAK IS DA FILAWER THE WAAATER THE PARUK IN THE DAISERT
That tune, now I can't get it out of my head. Damn you pakis!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby partha » 05 Feb 2014 08:38



A typical Paki comment to the article -

source of the problem lies with the corrupt Politicians, Bureaucrats and Generals.

Those of you in the west who want the international community to help just force your governments to return all the ill gotten money and stop harboring these thieves for future political games, but that wont happen!


So the root cause is people in western countries not forcing their Govts not to give money to Pakistan.

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Postby svenkat » 05 Feb 2014 11:05

anupmisra wrote:
There! Corrected it. By the way, here's a bunch of loyal arap-pakis singing their hearts out "waaanting to beee more daisert". PAK IS DA FILAWER THE WAAATER THE PARUK IN THE DAISERT
That tune, now I can't get it out of my head. Damn you pakis!


Sir,you deserve a hilal-e-BRF for that discovery.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Narad » 05 Feb 2014 12:25

^^^ Sorry cant resist :mrgreen:
But what harm the King had done to them, which they avenged so brutally, is unclear

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Postby pralay » 05 Feb 2014 12:42

bliss to tell how many dayj of air ij left for us. :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby svenkat » 05 Feb 2014 12:44

Narad wrote:But what harm the King had done to them, which they avenged so brutally, is unclear

:rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby svinayak » 05 Feb 2014 12:46

http://www.icfj.org/our-work/us-pakista ... journalism
U.S.- Pakistan Professional Partnership in Journalism


A three-year, multi-phase program run by ICFJ will bring 160 Pakistani media professionals to the United States and send 30 U.S. journalists to Pakistan, building long-term partnerships between news organizations.
"This program is possibly the most important we have in Pakistan, really interesting to see America through their eyes, makes me proud to be an American and hopeful about Pakistan." -- Dr. Stephen P. Cohen; Sr. Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies Program, The Brookings Institution

A four-year, multi-phase program will bring 160 Pakistani media professionals to the United States and send 30 U.S. journalists to Pakistan. Journalists will study each others' cultures as they are immersed in newsrooms in each country.

English-speaking Pakistanis will receive four-week internships at U.S. media organizations, and non-English speakers will spend half that time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby arun » 05 Feb 2014 13:44

Very disturbing that our Non Mohammadden fellow Indian’s, Sikh in this case, seem to have been intimidated during their illegal captivity in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to praise Mohammadden God by chanting “Nara-e-Takbeer Allah-o-Akbar” :x .

Just think of the fuss that would have been kicked up if Mohammadden drivers of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in Indian captivity went about chanting “Ganapati Bapa Morea” !

I hope our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh will stand up for the religious rights of our fellow Indian’s and his Sikh co-relgionist that are in the illegal captivity of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and ensure that those who are not Mohammadden are not intimidated into praising the Mohammadden God.

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Postby anupmisra » 05 Feb 2014 17:24

A Bridge Too Far

A farce gone too far.

The government has walked straight into a trap with the Taliban dictating the rules of the game.
The team he (Nawaz " What-Am-I -Doing-Here" Sharief) chose is an interesting mix of a highly controversial ex-intelligence officer, a retired diplomat, a senior journalist and one of his special assistants.
It was a masterstroke to include Imran Khan in the team along with hard-core clerics known for their close ties with militant groups.
Not only has Imran -ImTheDim- Khan been one of the most ardent supporters of talks, but to some extent he also owes his party’s victory in the general elections in KP to the militant group... the TTP can always rely on his support.
Surrendering to terrorists never brings peace.


Surrendering to terrorists never brings peace. That's right, dear enlightened paki. What about the ideological supporters, trainers and financiers of terrorists/terrorism? Do they count too?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby Brad Goodman » 05 Feb 2014 17:41

Pakistan’s drift towards isolation

The article seems plain vanilla but the comments are interesting

We’re reaping the inevitable fruits of decades of terrible decisions and twisted logic on behalf of our leaders (both civilian and armed forces), starting from Muhammad Ali Jinnah to Ayub Khan to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to Zia ul Haq, various incompetent democratic setups that followed and (most recently) PTI. Name one other nation on earth, besides Israel, that was founded on the basis that people of one religion can’t coexist with others and deserve a separate nation of their own. It’s clear that we can’t coexist with the rest of the world until we completely purge our national psyche from ‘the Pakistan ideology’ or redefine it.


I am a Indian Muslim Kasmiri passed out from NIT Srinagar and IIFT MBA Graduate presently working in Deloitte Gurgaon.Since I am an Educated guy and understand what is better for kashmiri i.e. pakistan or India…religion or education…freedom or India….

Let me get this straight………..how u guys twist the facts..

It has eight of the world’s 10 highest mountains, including the second-highest breathtaking K-2; and the Northern Areas

Firstly why double standard..when u consider kashmir as disputed area..how can u consider it as your own..India has intact jammu and kashmir…then why u guys have kept GB and So called azad kashmir seperated……

and is gifted with the unsurpassable relics of Moenjo Daro and Taxila.

Thats India’s civilisation and culture and is part of hindu history..what it has to do with pakistan…

I hope ET publish my facts…….if not..then sorry to all pakistanis for such undemocractic comemnts……….



Strategic depth turning out to be Strategic death

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby kish » 05 Feb 2014 18:06

So, people are going to see extensive use of taqiyya by pakis in US immigration forms.
There only 2 sets of people in pakisatan, one who do terrorism & one who support and enable terrorism.

Citizenship form to add questions on terrorism, genocide, military training

US Federal immigration authorities announced that they are scrapping the current form for immigrants to apply for US citizenship and replacing it in 90 days with a longer and more complex form that includes numerous new questions about the applicant’s links to terrorist groups, genocide, militias, prisons and military training.
Immigration officials said the changes were made partly to comply with new US laws aimed at combating terrorism and child soldiers, and partly to make the form more efficient and easier to process. Although it is now 21 pages long instead of 10, the officials noted that considerable space is now taken up by thick bar codes on every page.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Postby anupmisra » 05 Feb 2014 18:21

Watch this space, ladies and gentlemen. Taliban fighting war for implementation of constitution. That's right. You heard it here, loud and clear. Tellibunnies are the real constitutionalists. Sami said so. He, however, did not clarify which "constitution" he was referring to. The one with the pearly gates on its front cover and a section on how to handle 72 virgins at the same time?

Maulana Samiul Haq claimed the Taliban are fighting the war for the implementation of the constitution which has been violated by Pakistan's leadership

By the way, the good Sami is the same malsi moderate who will represent the tellibunnies' (the good ones, of course) viewpoint at their annual jamboree with the clueless paki gober-men. These guys refused to show up on their first day of orientation. Watch the real Sochi winter Olympics unfold (replete with downhill and slalom skiing).


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