Positive News from the USA

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Apr 2014 16:42

A Peaceful Weekend in Chiraq

Baghdad will henceforth be named Baghdago, after the home city of President Obama who has brought Peace there.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Apr 2014 22:21

True Devotion

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 23 Apr 2014 22:29

Ubji,

They are now allowing concealed carry permits into bars. Looks like the movies based on OK Corral shooting are not enough and Hollywood wants to make more movies with drunken people in a bar shooting each other with modern weapons instead of a single action Colts and Winchesters. They need drunken gun fights with Uzis and AK47s with grenade launchers attached to it.

Heck I would pay to watch that movie. Who knows if you visit a Georgia bar you might be able to see the shooting live (and hopefully live through it)

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 24 Apr 2014 02:50

Everytime there is massacre in amirkhan, there is a debate about guns and their roles. But, there is something very unique and strange about these massacres. Why would anyone just go on a murderous rampage? Guns were always available in Amirkhan, but the massacres seem to have started from post-1960. So, what changed? Why are these massacres happening?

Must watch video, in my opinion:

The TRUE SOURCE of RANDOM & MASS SHOOTINGS and VIOLENCE

Another Mass Shooting, Another Psychiatric Drug? Federal Investigation Long Overdue

There is overwhelming evidence that psychiatric drugs cause violence. 22 International drug regulatory warnings cite violence, mania, hostility, aggression, psychosis and even homicidal ideation.
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Fact: Despite 22 international drug regulatory warnings on psychiatric drugs citing effects of mania, hostility, violence and even homicidal ideation, and dozens of high profile shootings/killings tied to psychiatric drug use, there has yet to be a federal investigation on the link between psychiatric drugs and acts of senseless violence.

Fact: At least31 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 162 wounded and 72 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs).

Fact: Between 2004 and 2012, there have been 14,773 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system on psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,531 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 3,287 cases of mania & 8,219 cases of aggression. Note: The FDA estimates that less than 1% of all serious events are ever reported to it, so the actual number of side effects occurring are most certainly higher.

Fact: It took months for the release of information showing that police had found psychiatric drugs in the apartment of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter, James Holmes—including the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam and the antidepressant sertraline, the generic version of the antidepressant Zoloft. And despite official, legal requests for the release of Sandy Hook school shooter Adam Lanza’s toxicology reports and medical history to ascertain whether psychiatric drugs played a role in the school massacre, the office of the Connecticut medical examiner has refused to release this crucial information to the public, prompting a parent’s rights organization to take the matter to court.

Colorado shooter James Holmes was under the care of psychiatrist Lynne Fenton prior to the shootings. Police found antidepressant and anti-anxiety drugs in Holmes apartment.
Of the 31 people who committed acts of violence that were documented to be under the influence of psychiatric drugs, ten were seeing either a psychiatrist or psychologist. See the list of school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence by those on psychiatric drugs here.

School-related acts of violence aren’t the only cases commonly found to be under the influence of psychiatric drugs. There are 16 other recent acts of senseless violence committed by individuals taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugsresulting in an additional 61 dead and 32 wounded.

A bill introduced in New York in 2000 proposed police investigate psychiatric drug in all cases of violent crimes and suicides.

The correlation between psychiatric drugs and acts of violence and homicide is well documented – both by international drug regulatory warnings and studies, as well as by hundreds of cases where high profile acts of violence/mass murder were committed by individuals under the influence of psychiatric drugs.

The New York State Senate recognized this as far back as 2000, introducing a bill which would “require police to report to the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS), certain crimes and suicides committed by persons using psychotropic drugs,” citing “a large body of scientific research establishing a connection between violence and suicide and the use of psychotropic drugs.”

22 international drug regulatory warnings have been issued on psychiatric drugs citing effects of mania, hostility, violence and even homicidal ideation.

Unfortunately that bill stalled out in the finance committee. By reviewing the international drug regulatory warnings, studies, and adverse reaction reports submitted to the US FDA below, it is evident that the reintroduction of the New York bill is needed on a federal level in order to determine just how many crimes and acts of violence are being committed by individuals under the influence of drugs documented to induce violence, mania, psychosis, aggression, hostility and homicide.

As the world’s leading mental health watchdog, CCHR has for decades investigated hundreds of acts of senseless violence, working alongside investigative reporters, law enforcement, as well as legislative hearings, such as those held in Colorado following the 1999 Columbine massacre (ringleader Eric Harris was found to be under the influence of the antidepressant Luvox, Dylan Klebold’s autopsy reports were never unsealed).

And while there is never one simple explanation for what drives a human being to commit such unspeakable acts, all too often one common denominator has surfaced in hundreds of cases—prescribed psychiatric drugs which are documented to cause mania, psychosis, violence, suicide and in some cases, homicidal ideation. It is an injustice that the general public are not being informed about the well documented links between psychiatric drugs and violence, and so once again we present the facts:

Click to read MANIA—The shocking link between psychiatric drugs, suicide, violence and mass murder
There have been 22 international drug regulatory warnings issued on psychiatric drugs causing violence, mania, hostility, aggression, psychosis, and other violent type reactions. These warnings have been issued in the United States, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom, Australia and Canada.

In determining what would prompt a person to commit such brutal and senseless crimes, the press must ask the right questions, including: What, if any, prescribed psychotropic drugs the perpetrator may have been on (or in withdrawal from).

Read the international drug regulatory warnings issued on psychiatric drugs causing violence, mania, hostility, aggression, psychosis, and other violent type reactions.

See the recent study from PLoS One hereon psychiatric drugs being linked to violence.

Watch this short interview with Michael Moore, author, director and producer of Bowling for Columbine, where he calls for a federal investigation into the link between prescribed drugs and mass shootings such as the 1999 Columbine massacre.

At least 31 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public.

It took months for the release of information showing that police had found psychiatric drugs in the apartment of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter, James Holmes—including the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam and the antidepressant sertraline, the generic version of the antidepressant Zoloft.

Note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.

Of these 31, ten were seeing either a psychiatrist (8 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the others were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.

St. Louis, Missouri – January 15, 2013: 34-year-old Sean Johnson walked onto the Stevens Institute of Business & Arts campus and shot the school’s financial aid director once in the chest, then shot himself in the torso. Johnson had been taking prescribed drugs for an undisclosed mental illness.
Snohomish County, Washington – October 24, 2011: A 15-year-old girl went to Snohomish High School where police alleged that she stabbed a girl as many as 25 times just before the start of school, and then stabbed another girl who tried to help her injured friend. Prior to the attack the girl had been taking “medication” and seeing a psychiatrist. Court documents said the girl was being treated for depression.
Planoise, France – December 13, 2010: A 17-year-old youth held twenty pre-school children and their teacher hostage for hours at Charles Fourier preschool. The teen was reported to be on “medication for depression”. He took a classroom hostage with two swords. Eventually, all the children and the teacher were released safely.
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina – September 21, 2011: 14-year-old Christian Helms had two pipe bombs in his backpack, when he shot and wounded Socastee High School’s “resource” (police) officer. However the officer was able to stop the student before he could do anything further. Helms had been taking drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and depression.
Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.” He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.
Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.
Fresno, California – April 24, 2008: 17-year-old Jesus “Jesse” Carrizales attacked the Fresno high school’s officer, hitting him in the head with a baseball bat. After knocking the officer down, the officer shot Carrizales in self-defense, killing him. Carrizales had been prescribed Lexapro and Geodon, and his autopsy showed that he had a high dose of the antidepressant Lexapro in his blood that could have caused him to be paranoid, according to the coroner.
Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.
Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
Texas – November 7, 2007: 17-year-old Felicia McMillan returned to her former Robert E. Lee High School campus and stabbed a male student and wounded the principle with a knife. McMillan had been on drugs for depression, and had just taken them the night before the incident.
Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
Sudbury, Massachusetts – January 19, 2007: 16-year-old John Odgren stabbed another student with a large kitchen knife in a boy’s bathroom at Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School. In court his father testified that Odgren was prescribed the drug Ritalin.
North Vernon, Indiana – December 4, 2006: 16-year-old Travis Roberson stabbed another Jennings County High School student in the neck, nearly severing an artery. Roberson was in withdrawal from Wellbutrin, which he had stopped taking days before the attack.
Hillsborough, North Carolina – August 30, 2006: 19-year-old Alvaro Rafael Castillo shot and killed his father, then drove to Orange High School where he opened fire. Two students were injured in the shooting, which ended when school personnel tackled him. His mother said he was on drugs for depression.
Chapel Hill, North Carolina – April 2006: 17-year-old William Barrett Foster took a shotgun to school and took a teacher and a fellow student hostage at East Chapel Hill High School. After being talked out of shooting the hostages, Foster fired two shots through a classroom window before fleeing the school on foot. Foster’s father testified that his son had stopped taking his antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs without telling him.
Red Lake, Minnesota – March 21, 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 5 students, a security guard, and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.
Red Lion, Pennsylvania – February 2, 2001: 56-year-old William Michael Stankewicz entered North Hopewell-Winterstown Elementary School with a machete, leaving three adults and 11 children injured. Stankewicz was taking four different drugs for depression and anxiety weeks before the attacks.
Ikeda, Japan – June 8, 2001: 37-year-old Mamoru Takuma, wielding a 6-inch knife, slipped into an elementary school and stabbed eight first- and second-graders to death while wounding at least 15 other pupils and teachers. He then turned the knife on himself but suffered only superficial wounds. He later told interrogators that before the attack he had taken 10 times his normal dose of antidepressants.
Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
Oxnard, California – January 2001: 17-year-old Richard Lopez went to Hueneme High School with a gun and shot twice at a car in the school’s parking lot before taking a female student hostage. Lopez was eventually killed by a SWAT officer. He had been prescribed Prozac, Paxil and “drugs that helped him go to sleep.”
Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed antidepressant and Ritalin.
Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending “anger control classes” and was under the care of a psychologist.
Blackville, South Carolina – October 12, 1995: 15-year-old Toby R. Sincino slipped into the Blackville-Hilda High School’s rear entrance, where he shot two Blackville-Hilda High School teachers, killing one. Then Toby killed himself moments later. His aunt, Carolyn McCreary, said he had been undergoing counseling with the Department of Mental Health and was taking Zoloft for emotional problems.
Chelsea, Michigan – December 17, 1993: 39-year-old chemistry teacher Stephen Leith, facing a disciplinary matter at Chelsea High School, shot Superintendent Joseph Piasecki to death, shot Principal Ron Mead in the leg, and slightly wounded journalism teacher Phil Jones. Leith was taking Prozac and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
Houston, Texas – September 18, 1992: 44-year-old Calvin Charles Bell, reportedly upset about his second-grader’s progress report, appeared in the principal’s office of Piney Point Elementary School. Bell fired a gun in the school, and eventually wounded two officers before surrendering. Relatives told police on Friday that Bell was an unemployed Vietnam veteran and had been taking anti-depressants.
Winnetka, Illinois – 20 May 1988: 30-year-old Laurie Wasserman Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods School in Winnetka, Illinois carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing an eight-year-old boy, and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself. Dann had been seeing a psychiatrist and subsequent blood tests revealed that at the time of the killings, she was taking the antidepressant Anafranil.

Note: Psychiatric Drugs Can Also Cause Severe Withdrawal Symptoms—Violent and Suicidal Thoughts – Watch This 2 Minute Video

16 additional recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 61 dead and 32 wounded:

Washington, DC – September 17, 2013: Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor, opened fire inside a building at the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12 and wounding eight others before he was killed by police. Alexis had received prescriptions from two Veterans Administration hospitals in August 2013 for the antidepressant Trazodone.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: 30-year-old John Shick, former patient of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and former student at nearby Duquesne University, shot and killed one and injured six inside UPMC’s Western Psychiatrist Institute. Nine antidepressants were identified among the drugs police found in Shick’s apartment.
Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: Scott DeKraai, a harbor tugboat worker, entered the hair salon where his ex-wife worked, killing her and seven others and injuring one. At DeKraai’s initial hearing, his attorney indicated to the judge that DeKraai was prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
Afghanistan – October 17, 2010: Indiana soldier David Lawrence was taking the two antidepressants – Trazodone and Zoloft – when he killed a top Taliban commander by shooting him in the face in a prison cell. During questioning, David said he imagined all the people he knew being blown up and blacked out before the shooting.
Newport, Maine – October 26, 2009: Perley Goodrich Jr. beat his mother and then shot his father dead shortly after being injected with Trazodone in a psychiatric hospital. Goodrich had complained that he didn’t want to take the medication because it made him feel “violent.”
Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: Toxicology test results showed that 34-year-old Troy Bellar was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder,” when he shot and killed his wife and two of his three children in their home before killing himself.
Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: 53-year-old Fred B. Davis shot and killed a police officer and wounded a sheriff’s deputy who had responded to a call that Davis had threatened a neighbor with a gun. Prescription drug bottles found at the scene showed that Davis was prescribed the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife, three small children and himself inside their home. Toxicology test results verified that Wood had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
Concord, California – January 11, 2009: Jason Montes, 33, shot and killed his wife and then himself at home. Montes had earlier begun taking the antidepressant Prozac for depression related to his impending divorce and a recent bankruptcy.
Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: Less than 48 hours after Timothy Johnson shot and killed Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the Little Rock Police declared they were investigating shooter’s use of the antidepressant Effexor, which was found in Johnson’s house. A Little Rock city police report later stated that Johnson “was on an antidepressant and that the drug may have played a part in his ‘irrational and violent behavior.’”
Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
Fallujah, Iraq – December 31, 2006: Marine Lance Cpl. Delano Holmes killed Iraqi soldier Mutather Jasem Muhammed Hassin by stabbing him 40 times with a combat knife, with some of the wounds piercing his spine. Holmes had been prescribed Trazodone (an antidepressant), Ambien and Valium (both anti-anxiety drugs).
North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: Doug Williams killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees before killing himself. Williams was reportedly taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa, for depression after a failed marriage.
Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: 42-year-old computer technician Michael McDermott had been taking three antidepressants when he hunted down employees in the accounting and human resources offices where he worked, killing seven.
Buffalo, New York – May 1, 1998: 37-year-old Juan Roman, an Erie County sheriff’s deputy, pursued his estranged wife into their children’s elementary school and shot her dead, and a school aide was hit in the elbow. Roman was taking antidepressants and seeing a psychiatrist.
St. Petersburg, FL – May 25, 1992: 30-year-old David Doyle Rittenhouse shot and killed a man that went on a date with his wife. Rittenhouse said he was taking a drug somewhat similar to the controversial drug Prozac, and that the drug impeded his perception abilities and he thought the man had raped his wife, though he said “He knows it didn’t happen that way – but he said that is what was in his mind.”

As far back as 1991, CCHR, along with numerous experts brought evidence before the US FDA that antidepressants were causing suicide and violence. The heavily Pharma-funded FDA panel ignored the evidence provided, and it would take 14 years, and a great deal of public pressure, for the FDA to finally issue it’s strongest warning, the black box, on antidepressants inducing suicidal ideation. 21 years later, the FDA has yet to issue a black box warning on antidepressants and other classes of psychiatric drugs documented by international regulatory agencies and studies to cause violence. This is not in the public’s interest, who deserve to be warned, it’s in Big Phama’s interest, upon whose funding the FDA heavily relies on.

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Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 26 Apr 2014 12:09

While you Internet Hindoos have been praying to your 33 million gods about the chances of your right wing Hindoo Nationalist Candidate in elections, the TSA agency of the American have taken up new health responsibilities as well

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 27 Apr 2014 23:47

Massa bolis say truth.... till lawyer plays tape.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 27 Apr 2014 23:51

Brownies no can be home owners

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 28 Apr 2014 10:16

These are some Men of Honor, I Say

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2014 21:29

German teen gets ultimate education in USA

The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.

Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.

But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.

Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws.

"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.

Some parts of the story are charming. Gives you an idea about freedom and all..

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 01 May 2014 22:31

^^^ That happened in my backyard (which happens to be the entire state of Montana and the 20 odd people still living there, moi included). There are not many black people in Montana, but I trust that if it was a black dude (or even a brown dude like myself) there would not have been any charges and the guy would have been let go without even an arrest.

The greatness of America lies in this fact: It does not matter if you are making a 7 figure salary, if you are not white you are gonna get some civilizing education from a burger-flipping gun-trotting mother-phucking hill-billy white sonofabiaatch at one point or the other.

The exceptionalism of America lies in this fact: It does not matter if you are a rich tax paying individual, if you are not white you are gonna get put in your place (and beat up) by a white guy two rungs below you in the social ladder at one point or the other.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 01 May 2014 22:44

LokeshC wrote:^^^ That happened in my backyard (which happens to be the entire state of Montana and the 20 odd people still living there, moi included). There are not many black people in Montana, but I trust that if it was a black dude (or even a brown dude like myself) there would not have been any charges and the guy would have been let go without even an arrest.

The greatness of America lies in this fact: It does not matter if you are making a 7 figure salary, if you are not white you are gonna get some civilizing education from a burger-flipping gun-trotting mother-phucking hill-billy white sonofabiaatch at one point or the other.

The exceptionalism of America lies in this fact: It does not matter if you are a rich tax paying individual, if you are not white you are gonna get put in your place (and beat up) by a white guy two rungs below you in the social ladder at one point or the other.

How many times have you had a gun pointed at you? How many times have you been beat up? Threatened? Please tell us your personal story of woe at the hands of white people in America. You must really hate it here in America having all these problems.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 01 May 2014 23:44

TSJ, This is not a place for personal stories. I have many I can tell including the kind you asked for, but there is a place and time for it and this aint one. This is place where we casteist, unwashed heathen hindoooo funda-mental-ists gather to discuss positive news about the USofA.

And meanwhile please read some posts of Shreeman (especially the FAQs) if you have such an itch as to really understand the reason for this thread. I am willing to bet that if you are white the purpose of this thread will probably go over your head, but that aint my problem.

Sometimes, I do really hate it here but I have my reasons being here (I wish I could discuss them but it wont be appropriate here). it is much like your visit to these forums. Something keeps you here, you must have your reasons

I can tell you what keeps me going though, whenever I start 'hating it here' I imagine what a Native American and African American should feel. The former went through one of the most complete genocides in the history of mankind, the latter went through the biggest trafficking and slavery racket that mankind has ever seen. My miseries are nothing compared to what these folks have been through. If they can survive here after being assaulted harassed and violently attacked (from Jim Crow style segregation to the modern law-enforcement style lynching), then so can I

As they say, the older you get the more you start realizing things and you change. I was a different person when I landed here, now I am a different person all together, for better or for worse. If you are white, you do not have to worry about all this you are not even obliged to think of any of this. Its called white privilege. Learn to see it and it will change you as well.

Glad to know that you visit this thread once in a while to check on how great America is

. Now back to regular programming of positive news.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 01 May 2014 23:59

In 2013 fiscal, 5061 members of the glorious America army (the guys who bring freedom and democracy throughout), stopped being vegetarians, and pledged to stop all sexual assaults committed by vegetarians
Hindoos should learn from this

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2014 02:24

The daily diet: The revelry and lovefest sections are new in every post, courtesy of google uncle, in case you haven't noticed. There is count-down on the completion of the stories, its down to three weeks as of this post. Then, "picking e-cotton" will continue in real earnest.

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Are these image problems? What are you going to do about it, complain that the press reported it? Argue that its biased reporting? Get up and do something about the problem, not the messenger. These numbers are adding faster than we thought, so we will add plane load comparisons to these in the coming future to highlight our "bias".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2014 07:07

TSJones wrote: How many times have you had a gun pointed at you? How many times have you been beat up? Threatened? Please tell us your personal story of woe at the hands of white people in America. You must really hate it here in America having all these problems.

TSJ please try to take this calmly and not like a jingo.

Why would anyone in America have a gun pointed at him? That is because anyone can own a gun to point at anyone else. This is part of America's "freedom". Freedom to own a gun which can be pointed at someone else.

US laws about "self defence" with a firearm would be largely pointless if there were not so many people with firearms.

The US, believe it or not (and I am not saying this to irritate you) is like Pakistan

In Pakistan when things went wrong and others blamed Islamism and Islamist terror, Pakistanis said "It's not Islam. Don't blame Islam. It's misguided people"

In the US when people point out that there are too many guns and too much freedom to possess them, American gun supporters get their knickers in a Pakistani twist and say "It's not guns. It's people"

Yes it's people But try and get a man without a gun to point a gun at you? Have you ever had a gun pointed at you by a man without a gun?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2014 09:13

Freedom of speech. Love and kinship with fellow man. So long as you know exactly who is human and who ain't

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 02 May 2014 11:35

shiv wrote:
TSJones wrote: How many times have you had a gun pointed at you? How many times have you been beat up? Threatened? Please tell us your personal story of woe at the hands of white people in America. You must really hate it here in America having all these problems.
TSJ please try to take this calmly and not like a jingo.

Why would anyone in America have a gun pointed at him? That is because anyone can own a gun to point at anyone else. This is part of America's "freedom". Freedom to own a gun which can be pointed at someone else.

US laws about "self defence" with a firearm would be largely pointless if there were not so many people with firearms.

The US, believe it or not (and I am not saying this to irritate you) is like Pakistan

In Pakistan when things went wrong and others blamed Islamism and Islamist terror, Pakistanis said "It's not Islam. Don't blame Islam. It's misguided people"

In the US when people point out that there are too many guns and too much freedom to possess them, American gun supporters get their knickers in a Pakistani twist and say "It's not guns. It's people"

Yes it's people But try and get a man without a gun to point a gun at you? Have you ever had a gun pointed at you by a man without a gun?

There is irony here that you guys are missing. LokeshC lives in one of the lowest crime states(Montana) in America. Yet I guarantee that practically every white person and their pet Grizzlies in Montana owns a gun. There are probably more murders in the zip code of the city that I live in than occurs in the entire state of Montana. Get beat up? in Montana? Are you kidding me? Not unless it's a domestic dispute. Or in a bar on a Friday night outside of an American Indian reservation or a mining camp and you're looking for trouble. Oh the irony!

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 02 May 2014 13:01

TSJones wrote:There is irony here that you guys are missing. LokeshC lives in one of the lowest crime states(Montana) in America. Yet I guarantee that practically every white person and their pet Grizzlies in Montana owns a gun. There are probably more murders in the zip code of the city that I live in than occurs in the entire state of Montana. Get beat up? in Montana? Are you kidding me? Not unless it's a domestic dispute. Or in a bar on a Friday night outside of an American Indian reservation or a mining camp and you're looking for trouble. Oh the irony!

I agree here with TSJ. Most of the high-publicity shooting crimes in the US are perpetrated by people hooked on psychiatric drugs. The deep penetration of psychiatry and its callous injection of psych drugs into people from the womb to the grave is the real matter of concern that somehow doesn't get half the publicity that gun-ownership gets.

America needs a healthier attitude to dealing with everyday stress to behavioral issues. Some of my friends who are psychiatrists freely admit that 90% of the cases that come to them could be resolved just by learning a few "life skills" - from managing time better, to perhaps adding a little yoga and meditation to their lives. But they dole out pills like candy, because they say their clients want a pill to fix everything from a mood swing to a screwed up sleep cycle. Eventually such cases end up getting hooked more and more to psych drugs and can get pretty wound up.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2014 14:04

TSJones wrote:
There is irony here that you guys are missing.

I believe you are missing the irony too.

A German teenager goes to America for an education and simply gets shot in the "safe", "Low crime rate" state of Montana where a homeowner leaves an open garage as bait and shoots the first person who enters.

There should be a warning given out to all foreigners visiting America about just how bad things can get if they don't know how Americans behave. In most countries of the world (other than Pakistan and parts of America) people generally don't get shot dead for simply turning up at someone's place.

Oh the irony indeed.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 02 May 2014 16:15

shiv wrote:
TSJones wrote:
There is irony here that you guys are missing.
I believe you are missing the irony too.

A German teenager goes to America for an education and simply gets shot in the "safe", "Low crime rate" state of Montana where a homeowner leaves an open garage as bait and shoots the first person who enters.

There should be a warning given out to all foreigners visiting America about just how bad things can get if they don't know how Americans behave. In most countries of the world (other than Pakistan and parts of America) people generally don't get shot dead for simply turning up at someone's place.

Oh the irony indeed.

In the US, don't go into someone's house uninvited. It's considered very impolite and rude to the extreme. Especially in states like Montana, Wyoming, etc. And don't even think about it in Texas. They issue medals for good marksmanship there and make you Grand Marshall of the yearly town's Thanksgiving parade. .

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 02 May 2014 18:28

Laws are equal for all and so says the Justice department, very well, even if it is only "in future".

The legalities of hate crime are too complex for heathen pagan nomad unsaved savages yindoos to understand, even if these yindoos are the very same people targeted! After all, who is the best to post-judge this even after clear recommendation from the the Justice Department!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2014 18:32

TSJones wrote: In the US, don't go into someone's house uninvited. It's considered very impolite and rude to the extreme. Especially in states like Montana, Wyoming, etc. And don't even think about it in Texas. They issue medals for good marksmanship there and make you Grand Marshall of the yearly town's Thanksgiving parade. .

Hospitable country. Hospitable people. Luckily there's no requirement for medals for good sense.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 May 2014 18:43

Police bust a man who nearly drove a stolen car - er the car nearly had the same number as a stolen car

As one of the officers approached Molner's car, Molner noticed that he had his gun out.

"He did not point it at me, but it was definitely out of the holster," he said. "I am guessing that he saw the shock and horror on my face, and realized that I was unlikely to make (more of) a scene."

After a few moments of conferring with the other officer on the scene, the policeman returned to Molner's window and told him that a license plate scanner mounted on his police unit had thrown off an alert that Molner was in a stolen vehicle. As it turned out, though, the license scanner mounted on the car had misread a "7" on Molner's license plate as a "2." The alert the officer received was related to a stolen Oldsmobile. Molner was driving a black BMW. Molner's wife, who is four months pregnant, watched the incident unfolding from her car in the parking lot of Molner's office.

Since Molner's wife wasn't beaten and no dogs were killed, this incident marked an unusual exercise of restraint by the police officers.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 May 2014 21:49

Folks: TSJ/Agnimitra and the like merely want to reduce the impact here. These sympathetic folks don't bother to read any of the news, or worry about the victims, or even that this degradation will sooner or later hit home.

They are only interested in making sure the "positive news" is interrupted. It is no different than the history teacher at AES. We must create a second side to the argument to show how wonderful the US is. Why make up a poster, you are a teacher -- why don't you recreate the event for your students and see how they like it?

Even if it is an entirely indefensible act. Going by the 1-white post equals 10-brown posts rule, a mere post by TSJ here means all the news is now useless. No one will click on the news links. TSJ has spoken, America is good. Come, be a slave.

You see, American officer can use plungers, in a toilet, on a random innocent bystander and there is no rape problem. The french can rape a canadian in their police stations, and there is no rape problem. But you have a rape problem. India == rape is now well and truly established as India == pakistan. You may dispute this, but ask any ignorant teenager on a US street about rape around the world, and see the country they come up with. Do you think it is an accident that in America, rape == "sexual assault". Have you seen an Indian press item reporting "sexual assault"? (PS: and if you dare start using "sexual assault" in your reporting, they will move on to "surprise sex").

Of course, there was a "settlement", so justice was served. In America, justice delivery for you "the brown reader" means getting a settlement. Even judges would be *angry* with you if you do not want a settlement. Try it for yourself, when you get a chance. If you are not white, you are after the white man's money, or god forbid his reputation. As in "See, we gave him some of the white money afterward, so the system works".

This doesn't solve a problem in India, it doesn't solve a problem in the US. But there should be a place to present facts as they are, without intentional interruption. If you don't like it, do something to prevent America degrading into a Pakistan. Don't come to this thread to complain how it makes you look bad. These are not made up stories.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 02 May 2014 22:50

This thread is such a positive education

Even the the likes of Tom, Samty Sam Jerry will learn a new tricks

Sure Yo Man Service

Samity Sam wrote:“All right all right don’t rush me, I’m-a-thinkin’ … and my head hurts”

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 03 May 2014 00:19

Funny how the ones self proclaiming the sole ability for "critical thinking" are the ones measuring up short in that department.

Is there a survey for the number of times people have been shot for being "rude", by nation of course?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 May 2014 01:23

In the US, don't go into someone's house uninvited. It's considered very impolite and rude to the extreme. Especially in states like Montana, Wyoming, etc. And don't even think about it in Texas. They issue medals for good marksmanship there and make you Grand Marshall of the yearly town's Thanksgiving parade. .

In the Lonely Planet on India, there is a description of a group of Brits entering a veranda and seating themselves. They ordered food and were served. Later it transpired the group had mistaken a private residence for a restaurant.

Sometimes things get lost in translation.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 May 2014 01:27

But I do admit, the US is usually benign for most people. I have found black people less friendly than whites. So there.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 May 2014 02:12

TSJones wrote: There is irony here that you guys are missing. LokeshC lives in one of the lowest crime states(Montana) in America. Yet I guarantee that practically every white person and their pet Grizzlies in Montana owns a gun. There are probably more murders in the zip code of the city that I live in than occurs in the entire state of Montana. Get beat up? in Montana? Are you kidding me? Not unless it's a domestic dispute. Or in a bar on a Friday night outside of an American Indian reservation or a mining camp and you're looking for trouble. Oh the irony!

Something we can agree on. Irony, and I think there are enough people who have explained what it means in the above posts so I am not going to spend anymore of my bandwidth on it.

The only reason I brought the place up in Montana was to get away from civilization and the heat. It is my place for 'sanyas' so to speak. I shuttle between SoCal, Georgia and Montana. I have seen enough in all these three regions (and paid enough taxes) to opine on whatever the heck I want to

.

BTW, there might actually be more people in your zip code than the population of the entire state of Montana

One thing you wont get through your head is this: If you are not a white male in the US, you are bound to get screwed at one point or the other.

It is a like a Poisson arrival process, the probability of shit happening to you is proportional to the time you spent here. Well, to be fair shit happens to everyone, but I am talking about situations that are either caused or cause the ugly head of racism to rise up and bite you. I have spent enough time here for a few of these events to occur to me, and enough of them to turn a totally gung-ho-Amerikaaaaa guy to what I am today.

If you thought that Montana does not have its fair share of gun nuts and racist nuts then you are so wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_of_Montana . MOM (lol) is weak now, but all of them have morphed into rancher militias groups which was tapped into by one recently famous Mr. Bundy of Nevada and this is the beautiful child of that union. One need not guess too hard as to what would happen to a brown hispanic American trying to pass through that area.

So spare me the non-sense of Montana being low on crime rates, I would say that Montana is low on opportunities. Bundy and his clan are bound to rise and give them opportunity, sooner or later.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 May 2014 02:17

Shreeman wrote:Folks: TSJ/Agnimitra and the like merely want to reduce the impact here. These sympathetic folks don't bother to read any of the news, or worry about the victims, or even that this degradation will sooner or later hit home.

They are only interested in making sure the "positive news" is interrupted. It is no different than the history teacher at AES. We must create a second side to the argument to show how wonderful the US is.

Er, I'm not sure why I get to be bracketed with the bad guys. I said that the deeper problem was not gun-ownership but the American attitude toward mental health and spirituality. IOW, I supplanted one news item with a deeper malaise - not a "wonderful" news item.

Individual rights to possess and bear arms was conceived in a very healthy and strong mind and spirit. But unfortunately in a mentally and spiritually imbalanced society it is going to be suicidal.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 May 2014 02:29

You see gents and ladies, I am all for using candles. If you hold them here, I will light them for you. I will not stand under them or kiss, but I will light them for you.

Now you understand that kissing is illegal in the land most associated with candle holding. So I am not sure what the purpose of this "moral" candle holding is, and to whom it benefits. This epitomizes the syndrome that is being fought here:

sanjaykumar wrote:But I do admit, the US is usually benign for most people. I have found black people less friendly than whites. So there.

Here are the top two things wrong with it:

1. There are only two colors in America. White or Black. And thus the poster does not recognize that what he has actually said is:

sanjaykumar wrote:But I do admit, the US is usually benign for most people. I have found myself less friendly than whites. So there.

But he did not recognize it. Now, there is a third element -- a slave class called hispanic . But joining them will do you no good either. You a "pretend-black" are not welcome in any of these groupings. But if push comes to shove, it is to the black we go. The immigration history of this country documents this. You have been previously legally classified as black for immigration purposes. And in not so distant past either.

2. We do not say:

BestKoreaWrote wrote: Ours is the best country. There is nothing wrong with it. And we shall not hear anything wrong about it

Clearly even the best korea is not so easily offended, let alone the taller than mountain fliends or even their central asian direct descendents of the arap superior races PFFs. So what is making you so touchy that you can not let it be?

Please come here for the affection and love. Lets the positive news be the moldy squalor of communist hysteria that it is.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 03 May 2014 02:31

LokeshC wrote:
TSJones wrote: There is irony here that you guys are missing. LokeshC lives in one of the lowest crime states(Montana) in America. Yet I guarantee that practically every white person and their pet Grizzlies in Montana owns a gun. There are probably more murders in the zip code of the city that I live in than occurs in the entire state of Montana. Get beat up? in Montana? Are you kidding me? Not unless it's a domestic dispute. Or in a bar on a Friday night outside of an American Indian reservation or a mining camp and you're looking for trouble. Oh the irony!
Something we can agree on. Irony, and I think there are enough people who have explained what it means in the above posts so I am not going to spend anymore of my bandwidth on it.

The only reason I brought the place up in Montana was to get away from civilization and the heat. It is my place for 'sanyas' so to speak. I shuttle between SoCal, Georgia and Montana. I have seen enough in all these three regions (and paid enough taxes) to opine on whatever the heck I want to .

BTW, there might actually be more people in your zip code than the population of the entire state of Montana

One thing you wont get through your head is this: If you are not a white male in the US, you are bound to get screwed at one point or the other.

It is a like a Poisson arrival process, the probability of shit happening to you is proportional to the time you spent here. Well, to be fair shit happens to everyone, but I am talking about situations that are either caused or cause the ugly head of racism to rise up and bite you. I have spent enough time here for a few of these events to occur to me, and enough of them to turn a totally gung-ho-Amerikaaaaa guy to what I am today.

If you thought that Montana does not have its fair share of gun nuts and racist nuts then you are so wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_of_Montana . MOM (lol) is weak now, but all of them have morphed into rancher militias groups which was tapped into by one recently famous Mr. Bundy of Nevada and this is the beautiful child of that union. One need not guess too hard as to what would happen to a brown hispanic American trying to pass through that area.

So spare me the non-sense of Montana being low on crime rates, I would say that Montana is low on opportunities. Bundy and his clan are bound to rise and give them opportunity, sooner or later.

Montana *is* a low crime state according to easily avaiable statistics. In fact since 1960, the murder rate has no risen at all even though the population of Montana has increased from roughly 600,000 to 1,000,000.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 May 2014 02:40

Thread hijack alert (and the last from me on this). There are less number of people in Montana than in a part of Los Angeles. Which means the number of interactions you would have with other human beings is much much lower in Montana. So if you cared to read my last statement, Montana is no different from any other place in Murrica, just low in opportunities for committing a crime.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 May 2014 02:57

Once upon a time in the 'Wild West', neighborly relations were far warmer among frontiersmen - at least among themselves, not always with the 'Indians'. Community spirit was high, people left doors unlocked, left spare firewood at the doorstep in case others had any use for it, were generous to neighbors, hospitable to strangers (at least the white of them) joining the community, etc. The level of security and friendliness in that armed society of frontier settlers was high - unlike the fiction spread by Hollywood spaghetti Westerns. Later only the gun culture remained, and without 'Indians' to shoot at, the camaraderie and friendly neighborhood spirit began to evaporate for some reason.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 03 May 2014 03:09

Shreeman wrote: But he did not recognize it. Now, there is a third element -- a slave class called hispanic . But joining them will do you no good either. You a "pretend-black" are not welcome in any of these groupings. But if push comes to shove, it is to the black we go. The immigration history of this country documents this. You have been previously legally classified as black for immigration purposes. And in not so distant past either.

The rule is this:

If you're white, you are alright!
If you're black, get back!
If you're brown, stick around!

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 03 May 2014 03:35

Agnimitra wrote:Once upon a time in the 'Wild West', neighborly relations were far warmer among frontiersmen - at least among themselves, not always with the 'Indians'. Community spirit was high, people left doors unlocked, left spare firewood at the doorstep in case others had any use for it, were generous to neighbors, hospitable to strangers (at least the white of them) joining the community, etc. The level of security and friendliness in that armed society of frontier settlers was high - unlike the fiction spread by Hollywood spaghetti Westerns. Later only the gun culture remained, and without 'Indians' to shoot at, the camaraderie and friendly neighborhood spirit began to evaporate for some reason.

All season roads were developed. The automobile became popular. It became easy for people to move around. Back in the old days it was much harder to travel. Communities were more close knit and eveerybody knew each by necessity. You relied on your neighbor and your community if something went wrong. Back in the old days you traded labor. You helped your neighbor come round up time and they helped you. Way different circumstances back then. This still exists in parts of Alaska and Canada. Sometimes your life depends upon getting inside a cabin and starting a fire.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 May 2014 03:55

But he did not recognize it. Now, there is a third element -- a slave class called hispanic . But joining them will do you no good either. You a "pretend-black" are not welcome in any of these groupings. But if push comes to shove, it is to the black we go. The immigration history of this country documents this. You have been previously legally classified as black for immigration purposes. And in not so distant past either.

Well, there was a nice cabbie in South Carolina who quite bluntly pointed out a street corner in Columbus and told me that is where they come out at night and did not even need to add any further clarification.

There was that pretty young woman in NYC who came up and stuck a conversation-Ì work at Walter Reed`. Or that bar girl who was dejected that I was more intent on my steak than looking at her. I actually apologised to her and lightly stroked her cheek and she was mollified.

Yep damn racists all. Please Shreeman you may have had some nasty experiences but let us remember our even casual dealings with Americans as deeply human.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 May 2014 04:34

sanjaykumar and co, please please try to understand the purpose of this thread before hijacking it. This is an (admittedly) rather crude form of Purva-Paksha. This thread is not for Americans to understand America. This thread is for us unwashed heathen hindoooos to get an idea of Murrica, in the style of NYTimes understanding of India.

Also please do understand that most white people do not understand racism. They know it exists, but they dont understand it. They might have come across bigotry from a Black Panther, but they would have never been on the other side of racism.

Racism is bigotry plus the power to enforce it. A black person maybe a bigot, but he has far less avenues to enforce his bigotry than a white person can. You will understand it when you are on the other side, for a white person will never have encountered it in his/her life.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 May 2014 04:37

sanjaykumar wrote:But he did not recognize it. Now, there is a third element -- a slave class called hispanic . But joining them will do you no good either. You a "pretend-black" are not welcome in any of these groupings. But if push comes to shove, it is to the black we go. The immigration history of this country documents this. You have been previously legally classified as black for immigration purposes. And in not so distant past either.

Well, there was a nice cabbie in South Carolina who quite bluntly pointed out a street corner in Columbus and told me that is where they come out at night and did not even need to add any further clarification.

There was that pretty young woman in NYC who came up and stuck a conversation-Ì work at Walter Reed`. Or that bar girl who was dejected that I was more intent on my steak than looking at her. I actually apologised to her and lightly stroked her cheek and she was mollified.

Yep damn racists all. Please Shreeman you may have had some nasty experiences but let us remember our even casual dealings with Americans as deeply human.

Sanjay: Proof by example is a waste of time, and then you have not escaped racism even in your own posts. Walter Reed is not unfamiliar to me, by the way. Let us not attribute purpose/intention to people without basis. What you are saying are the classic arguments for "back-channel" diplomacy with Pakistani "people". This is not the place for that.

My purpose here is to keep the thread on topic, and I have tried to do so gently. Please take discussion to strat-e-gic discussion. You are welcome to eulogize there.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 03 May 2014 04:49

How is it with Greeks and Italians today in the US? In the early part of the 20th century they were not considered white people in some parts. Is that still present today? In my stay in the US I dint come across this.

I ask this because recently the new world chess champion Carlsen is on record saying that he did not consider Italy a western nation or a civilized one at that. This brought back memories of how they were treated in the US.