Thailand Asia's only Colonial Holdout in the 19th century

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Thailand Asia's only Colonial Holdout in the 19th century

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Not many people realize that Thailand managed to hold off two colonial powers successfully in the 19th century. The anti govt protests in Thailand are a first step to neutralize the only state in Asia that was not colonized directly in 19th century by Britian and France.

We need to find out why the west is interested in destablizing Thailand by supporting Thaksin (ironically his sister is the PM) who had extensive support from the west during his rule of the state.

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The next high profile targets will most likely be Iran, with the AYM already gearing up, and Thailand. Thailand has balked Western ambitions toward its territory for centuries, not without making concessions, and has already put down 2 staged color revolutions in 2009, and 2010.


Some say the "red shirts" have moved beyond Thaksin - his
monthly call-ins to their rallies, and his lawyer Robert
Amsterdam co-defending them suggests otherwise.

These "red shirt" color revolutions are the work of former Thaksin Shinwatra and a myriad of foreign backers. Thaksin was a former Carlye Group member before taking up the Premiership in 2001. He pursued a campaign of power consolidation, elimination of the nation's checks and balances, and a program of economic liberalization (read: selling out the country to foreigners).

On September 18, 2006, Thaksin was in New York City standing in front of the Council on Foreign Relations giving them a progress report on "democracy" in Thailand. The next day the Thai military staged a coup and swept his treasonous government from power.

It was previously reported that since his ouster from power in 2006, he has been backed by fellow Carlyle man James Baker and his Baker Botts law firm, International Crisis Group's Kenneth Adelman and his Edelman Public Relations firm, and now Robert Amsterdam's Amsterdam & Peroff, a major corporate member of the globocrat Chatham House. His proxy political party maintains the "red shirt" mobs which in turn are supported by several NGOs including the National Endowment for Democracy funded "Prachatai," an "independent media organization" that coordinates the "red shirt" propaganda efforts.

Also interesting to note is that the above mentioned Edelman PR firm is also a sponsor of AYM, and so it should come as to no one's surprise that AYM has been reporting favorably on the globocrats' "red shirts" since 2010, here and here.

The International Crisis Group, upon which Thaksin's former lobbyist Kenneth Adelman sits, has shown its support by issuing a paper on the color revolution, berating the Thai government's handling of the protests. Robert Amsterdam's Chatham House also issued a paper, in an attempt to define the "official" narrative. There are also several statements from Freedom House, a NED clone of which Kenneth Adelman is also a member, all coming to the general and unsurprising consensus that the "red shirts" demands are reasonable and should be met.

Recently the US National Endowment for Democracy funded Prachatai bemoaned the banning of a recent Economist issue in Thailand in what it calls a display of government censorship. When we consider the Economist's corporate membership within the Chatham House, a membership shared with Thaksin's lobbyist Robert Amsterdam, and the Economist's depraved reaction to the military conquest and economic plundering of Iraq in their article "Let's all go to the yard sale," it seems more of a matter of countering overt enemy propaganda than "draconian censorship."

It's these games of calling governments oppressive for reacting to intentional provocations they themselves are a part of, that allows them to then vilify a nation in the eyes of the world, for they control the global mass-media. BBC, also a Chatham House corporate member, illustrates this in their "defense" of the NED funded Prachatai.

Keeping all of this in mind, it is quite clear that the globocrats have an expressed interest in regime change for Thailand and are attempting to accomplish this through Thaksin, his political party and the mobs they command in the streets. Their goal is nothing less than it was in 1855, to turn Thailand, or Egypt, or Iran for that matter, into an extension of their business and banking empires. The only difference is that instead of gunboats, they are using color revolutions to extract concessions. It is an attempt to seal a Bowring Treaty 2.0.

Conclusion

Thailand's institutions, like anywhere on earth are far from perfect, but conditions in Thailand do not justify mobs coming out into the streets, conducting violence and insisting their extra-legal demands be met, especially when those demands come from a deposed traitor, backed in turn by foreign investors. Considering the largest "red shirt" protest to date gathered a mere 100,000 for less than a day, in a nation of over 70 million people (0.1%), it doesn't even intuitively appear legitimate
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As it should have been for Egypt, reform for Thailand must come entirely from within, pursuing pragmatic solutions to address specific problems independently and head-on. This is something politicians in general, worldwide are incapable of doing, and so it must come from real grassroots activism and charity, not street mobs and rigged elections.

Instead of building real schools, Thaksin's
"red shirts" run political indoctrination camps.

Demagogues leading the "red shirts" offer socialist handouts in exchange for servile dependence on their political party instead of empowering people with the education and technical skills needed to solve their own problems indpendently. What's worse is that "red shirt" leaders are not only neglecting to address the ignorance of their followers, but are compounding it by actually conducting political indoctrination camps instead.

The ruling government, for its part, has created this exploitable mass of needy, dependent people in the first place by equally side-stepping their responsibility to provide the proper education necessary for empowering society. It is real empowerment through knowledge and education that defines true freedom and is the very foundation of a sovereign society.

Many people in Thailand realize this, and it is real grassroots activism and charity that is slowly changing and improving society within the status quo and stability afforded to them by the current ruling government and Thailand's traditional institutions. It's these people that stand up for local villagers when their land is being encroached upon by industrial estates, not the ruling government, and certainly not Thaksin's globocrat-backed "red shirts."

Raising awareness of what transpired in Egypt, of what is sure to spread to Iran, Thailand, and beyond, is an essential key to balking the globocrats' plans. For each nation that falls, no matter how far from your own shores it may be, it empowers these already megalithic corporations to become even bigger and more domineering both at home in the West and abroad.
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3. What Does the West Want With Thailand?

For over two decades the United States has expressed throughout a library of policy papers the need to develop and implement an effective "containment" strategy versus China. In 1997, US policy author Robert Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute and the Brookings Institution penned, "What China Knows That We Don't: The Case for a New Strategy of Containment," where he literally states (emphasis added):  
 The present world order serves the needs of the United States and its allies, which constructed it. And it is poorly suited to the needs of a Chinese dictatorship trying to maintain power at home and increase its clout abroad. Chinese leaders chafe at the constraints on them and worry that they must change the rules of the international system before the international system changes them.
He would continue by saying: 
The changes in the external and internal behavior of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s resulted at least in part from an American strategy that might be called "integration through containment and pressure for change."
Such a strategy needs to be applied to China today. As long as China maintains its present form of government, it cannot be peacefully integrated into the international order. For China's current leaders, it is too risky to play by our rules -- yet our unwillingness to force them to play by our rules is too risky for the health of the international order. The United States cannot and should not be willing to upset the international order in the mistaken belief that accommodation is the best way to avoid a confrontation with China.
We should hold the line instead and work for political change in Beijing. That means strengthening our military capabilities in the region, improving our security ties with friends and allies, and making clear that we will respond, with force if necessary, when China uses military intimidation or aggression to achieve its regional ambitions. It also means not trading with the Chinese military or doing business with firms the military owns or operates. And it means imposing stiff sanctions when we catch China engaging in nuclear proliferation.
A successful containment strategy will require increasing, not decreasing, our overall defense capabilities. Eyre Crowe warned in 1907 that "the more we talk of the necessity of economising on our armaments, the more firmly will the Germans believe that we are tiring of the struggle, and that they will win by going on." Today, the perception of our military decline is already shaping Chinese calculations. In 1992, an internal Chinese government document said that America's "strength is in relative decline and that there are limits to what it can do." This perception needs to be dispelled as quickly as possible.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra
Thaksin Shinawatra (Thai: ทักษิณ ชินวัตร; RTGS: Thaksin Chinnawat; Thai pronunciation: [tʰák.sǐn tɕʰīn.nā.wát]; born 26 July 1949) is a Thai business tycoon turned politician. He founded Advanced Info Service, Thailand's most successful mobile phone operator. He founded the Thai Rak Thai (TRT) party in 1998 and became Prime Minister of Thailand from 2001 until 2006 when he was overthrown in a military coup.[3] Thaksin has since lived in exile except for a brief visit to Thailand in 2008. He was convicted by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions of abusing his power to help his wife buy public land at an auction, and was sentenced to two years in jail. Various criminal charges await him if he returns to Thailand. His sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, is the current Prime Minister of Thailand.
Is Thaksin a Sonia Gandhi redux ruling Thailand by proxy through his MMS?

There is also a Islamist insurgency raging in South Thailand. Maybe the west wants to partition Thailand on religious lines and contain a possible Buddhist challenge to it's evangalical projects.
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Gulf of Thailand waters offer an entry into messy Indo-Chinese waters contested by PRC & ASEAN nations, while being free of contesting claims. It provides an ideal platform for any western naval power to tilt the equations in SCS.

Infrastructure wise, the Gulf of Thailand coast including the Cambodian coast is relatively pristine & full of islets which can be used as air-bases & satellite launch stations close to the equator. The West only has the use of French Guinea as of now & Thailand provides an alternative.
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We need to revisit the old Olaf caroe - VSG discussions and see if there is a common link in all these events happening across the Eurasia plate. These revolutions being perpetuated by the west are nothing but a continuation of Olaf Caroe's policies of keeping Asia on it;s back foot though offshore balancing, buffer state, etc.

I think the West is collaborating with Sunni Islam as it's junior partner in all these projects. A new Islamic state in South Thailand is not out of the realm of possibility as Myanmar comes out into the open. Coincidentally there is an Islamic insurgency already raging in South Thailand. Bangladeshis may be the foot soldiers to execute these projects in SE Asia like Pakistan is working on in the Gulf region and worked in the Afghan case 1979-89. That may explain the US support for BNP in Bangladesh.

At some time the neo-cons who still are frustrated at the incomplete initiative to dismantle Russia will compromise with Obama's pivot to Asia as the competition with China heats up. They want a series of compliant states on China's periphery to do it's bidding but will not give them the respect or economic rights given to east european nations in their quest to contain the USSR during the cold war for racial and other reasons.
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By calibrating PRC's response in the provinces of Yunnan & Guangxi, we will get an idea of the friction between the hegemons.

Besides Olaf Caroe, it is also about the Golden Triangle drug trade (Yunnan, Northern Shan in Myanmar, Hong Kong) where the Yanquis are considered hostile intruding strangers. It is still & always has been a silent British game. Asian Great Games have come around full circle!
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Sadly MAP shows us how much India territory is out there to recover. Tibet, Burma, Afghanistan and 1/4 of Iran.
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The only thing khans and Europe wants to see is Christianity. Everything can be managed later. Period.
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. The anti govt protests in Thailand are a first step to neutralize the only state in Asia that was not colonized directly in 19th century by Britian and France
The Red Shirts are not anti government protestors. They represent the groups that support the ousted PM Shinawatra and his sister, the current PM, and do so under the guise that they support democracy. The Anti govt protests are led by yellow shirts who represent mostly urban populations and who are opposed to democratic elections because they believe these will only result in Shinawatra's people coming to power. They prefer a non elected government appointed by the King.

In other words its more like an anti corruption movement gotten so desperate it no longer holds any faith in democracy, while the corrupt villains use it along with votebank politics as a tool to retain power.

The extrapolation that this is a ploy by the west to cut up the country or secure terrirory for air bases is a conspiracy theory, and a stretched one.

On a parallel note, Thailand stayed as the only Southeast Asian state not to come under European colonial rule because the French and the British decided it would be neutral soil to avoid conflicts between their colonies. It is a widely held view in Thailand that the diplomatic skills of it's monarchs, combined with the modernising reforms of the Thai government, made it the only country in Southeast Asia to avoid colonisation.

Some will say that the Burney Treaty with the British in 1826 left Thailand with pretty much the same extent of freedom from colonial rule as any large Indian princely state like Mysore or Hyderabad later on.
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^^Pertinent questions to ask are who benefits from the chaos in Thailand? While at it we must also ask why is that the yellow shirts do not want democracy? Is it because the asians following pagan religions are somehow inferior to white Christian soup-e-rear Oiropeans and Amirkhans and can't simply appreciate democracy? You may have a point. Are these counter colour revolution protests? How do we find out? Is it not a fact that there is a muslim insurgency in south Thailand? Who benefits from this? How are the two linked. Merely dismissing something as a stretch of imagination will not help. One must also provide a follow the money analysis.
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Expansion of Chinese influence

The expansion of chinese infleunce coincides with the moves of the western oligarchy
There is a coordination between the two regarding the control of regions around China - including the South Asia!

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While at it we must also ask why is that the yellow shirts do not want democracy?
The yellow shirts comprose the urban middle class, and holds the support of the Thai aristocracy as well its military. This movement started off somewhat like our own Anna Hazare/IAC movement as a campaign against corruption in Shinawatra's government. The difference from the IAC or AAP is that the yellow shirts are basically right wing liberals and are fighting essentially a left-of-centre government.

Their contention was that left to democracy, the rural majority of the country would continue to swallow populist moves and support corrupt politicians - which reminds me of how colour tvs and free sarees keep politicians in power in places like TN.

In the last protest, the yellow shirt movement had received a shot in the arm when the army had conducted a coup d'etat in its support... And ever since, with the army nodding approvingly in its rear, the yellow shirts have bever looked back. The yellow shirts say that they eventually support a democracy once the rot has been cleaned out, but there are some who prefer a return to army rule.

Which leaves the choice down to a toss between a corrupt populist democracy or military/ military backed authoritarian rule - bleak choices for any country.
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The yellow shirts may be against the current pro US govt of Shinawatra's sister but it may be a stretch to term it as anti democratic. As far as I can tell the protesters are demanding new elections. Thailand shows how an overtly pro-US govt,led by the Shinawatra siblings, that believes in dole, a lot like AAP, can be brought to power and how it may be difficult to get rid of. So in Thailand too we may the effects of the perfidious actions of the US for us to see. First elect a govt that raises issues besides development and then form a govt that believes in dole. Incidentally all of the elite of the present govt are chinese thais i.e. thais with a chinese background.
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Actually think of the Shinawatra as the Jayalalitha of Thailand - a billionaire politician who continually bribes illiterate rural masses with rabid populist policies to hokd on to power. In fact you can draw up a huge list of Indian politicians from all political parties who can be called a parallel to Thaksin Shinawatra.

The yellow shirts who oppose him do not oppose democracy per se, but are wary of having elections where he wibs again on the back of numerical superiority.

And you should follow how this story unfolds in Thailand very very closely. IMHO, unless someone does something to cure our political system of its inherent corruption and criminalization, something similar will happen here too.
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