Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby vasu raya » 16 Mar 2014 05:34

from the cnn article,

Because the northern parts of the traffic corridor include some tightly guarded airspace over India, Pakistan, and even some U.S. installations in Afghanistan, U.S. authorities believe it more likely the aircraft crashed into waters outside of the reach of radar south of India, one U.S. official told CNN. If it had flown farther north, it's likely it would have been detected by radar.


they probably did cross the A&N but were probing the coastal radars with those pop-up maneuvers before deciding to not enter the Indian airspace, more than maps, its some sort of electronic equipment picking up radar signals is there onboard, which is the only way they can ensure to be out of radar coverage and try find a opening

why would they expect no radar coverage near Vizag or Kalpakkam? their only chance would have been to make a dash for it breaking off an international route that is the closest

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 05:41

Philip wrote:If in Central Asia,then the aircraft would've flown between the A&N islands and Burma,over BDesh,whose mil radars are most likely primitive,over Nepal and then onto "Weegerland".


In that BDesh-Nepal step, would it have trodden on Indian toes?

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Mar 2014 05:47

If u were the one doing this, and if ur plan went the way of paki plots, would you not at least do a final AoA! b4 diving into the ocean?
Now back to that climb to 45000 ft followed by the supersonic dive to 20,000 feet. HOW did they pull out of that dive? Even if the pull-out around 20K feet didn't break the wings off, the g-loads must have been quite something, hain? Did someone change their minds? Did someone improbably get into the cockpit, knock out the terror pilot(s) and pull the stick back with all their might? I can't imagine the terrified environment on that airliner!

In retrospect, this suggests that there was a struggle for control between the two pilots. The one who wanted to survive won... at least temporarily. Or the whole report about the 45K/20K in 1 minute was BS.

Not at all credible that they went to all this trouble, then just decided: ooops! I see radar beacons from Yindoostan! OK, cancel plan, let's ditch in south IO! No way.
If they have landed, there's a hostage standoff in progress.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby ramana » 16 Mar 2014 05:52

HB, Welcome back.

UB, I find it intriguing that Bay of Bengal is being called Indian Ocean. No one in US officialdom wants to say its in the ocean off south India!!!!
Its always Indian Ocean implying it was not headed for India.

"My Friend" Strobe broke the silence but doesn't have any traction..

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Postby komal » 16 Mar 2014 05:53

vasu raya wrote:
they probably did cross the A&N but were probing the coastal radars with those pop-up maneuvers before deciding to not enter the Indian airspace, more than maps, its some sort of electronic equipment picking up radar signals is there onboard, which is the only way they can ensure to be out of radar coverage and try find a opening

why would they expect no radar coverage near Vizag or Kalpakkam? their only chance would have been to make a dash for it breaking off an international route that is the closest


Perhaps the target was the rocket launching site off the coast of Tamil Nadu.

They might have had intelligence that indicated there would be no evening radar coverage at those points. But their on board detectors showed that radar was active.

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Postby sbangera » 16 Mar 2014 05:54

Not sure if this line of investigation was posted before, how about the investigators look for any other aircrafts, in the suspected flight path/air time, that reported problems with their transponder or dropped out IFF temporarily. I guess this will take massive amount of co-ordination between the various ATCs.

What I am alluding is maybe they had some external help in instilling confusion causing some controller to miss or ignore any anomaly on his radar screen.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 05:55

UlanBatori wrote:Now back to that climb to 45000 ft followed by the supersonic dive to 20,000 feet. HOW did they pull out of that dive?


As I read this, a CNN analyst is saying (paraphrase) ""from each information leak we've had so far, something has proved to be wrong. In this case, this reading of the radar data is likely wrong".

Meanwhile Geoffrey Grey in The New Republic is apparently the front-runner in the competition for the stupidest man alive:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1170 ... retly-hope
.... there’s an undeniable urge for investigators to keep on looking, not find anything, and let the mystery endure.

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Harpal Bector wrote:Has there been any unusual volume transaction or activity on the Bitcoin side?


Doesn't seem to be. But something to watch!
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/

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Postby komal » 16 Mar 2014 06:02

UlanBatori wrote:Not at all credible that they went to all this trouble, then just decided: ooops! I see radar beacons from Yindoostan! OK, cancel plan, let's ditch in south IO! No way.


If they can reach the target in India without radar detection, continue with the plan. If Indian radar active, go to alternative base in Burma and try again for another day.

However one of the pilots wanted to continue the mission and hit evil India, radar be damned and the other wanted to stick to script and land in Burma. A struggle ensued in the cockpit.

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Postby Shreeman » 16 Mar 2014 06:02

ramana wrote:HB, Welcome back.

UB, I find it intriguing that Bay of Bengal is being called Indian Ocean. No one in US officialdom wants to say its in the ocean off south India!!!!
Its always Indian Ocean implying it was not headed for India.

"My Friend" Strobe broke the silence but doesn't have any traction..


I mean, all right, everybody and his uncle talbott has a right to an opinion. But do they really have to mouth it?

In the other theory, whom do secret negotiations benefit, and how? Why secret? Never been secret before. Is it that they have a bum and world has united to keep the first nukular hijacking secret? What else is so valuable?

If not, and its pure recovery, then hand it over to the nordic countries, let them dig it up in pieces when they can find it.

This is why it smells incompetence again and again, and I cant sign on to the CT team. Every minute detail (pilots family was at thee beach saturday!) is becoming public. I mean a simulator with six monitors! How dare a pilot in asia run a game at home. Its just plain silly without facts. The guy may turn out to be a saint with the black boxes.

I would rather believe that an NSA bug thought this was a drone meant for afpak theatre and was taking it there against all human intervention. Resistance is futile style.

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Mar 2014 06:11

ramana, maybe the IO news reports are coming from East Asian sources, not American sources. Anyway, "Bay of Bengal" is too complex for CNN to use.
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from each information leak we've had so far, something has proved to be wrong. In this case, this reading of the radar data is likely wrong
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True, Guptaji, but it's usually been a case of misinterpretation by the media. So far the only one I can't understand is the 45K/20K miracle maneuver. That maneuver as I said, is perfectly OK if they were using max-endurance algorithms, but only if the maneuver was fairly gentle.
Also, I CLEARLY remember that the very first "missing" report said the plane had 7.5 hours of fuel left when it disappeared from ATC radar. Now they are saying it must have flown for 8 to 8.5hrs. Can't understand why they changed it. (As advertised, I believe the very first reports because they have no spin)
Disappearance was at 1:30AM. Last "ping" contact was 8:13AM. That's 6 hours 43 minutes. Why the 8-8.5 hour story? Do they believe that it used endurance-enhancing, lower-speed flight mechanics? Or is there something special about the 8 hour timeline?

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Postby Singha » 16 Mar 2014 06:11

45k to 20k in one minute is the performance of a mirage2k, not 777.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 06:15

^^^ Time for BRFers to put together a timeline?

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Mar 2014 06:17

45K to 20K is the performance of a 777 that has been pointed straight down and the engines set to full power. What I can't understand is the recovery.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 06:24

Here's the beginning of a timeline from ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/mal ... d=22924054

Saturday March 8
(UTC+8:00)
12:41 a.m.: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 takes off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia heading for Beijing, China. The plane shows up on radar two minutes after taking off.

1:07 a.m.: The last automated data transmission is sent from the plane. U.S officials told ABC News they believe that sometime after this transmission the data reporting system was shut down. Sometime after this transmission Kuala Lumpur's air traffic control tells the plane's pilot they are handing off to air traffic control based in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. The pilot responds, "All right. Good night."

1:21 a.m.: The plane's transponder, which transmits location and altitude, shuts down. Sources told ABC News that U.S. officials are “convinced that there was a manual intervention.”

1:22 a.m.: MH370 should have come to the navigational way-point called Igari point. Before it reached this point, Vietnamese air traffic control noticed they had lost contact with MH370, according to the Vietnam’s Civil Aviation Authority.

1:30 a.m.: The last moment that the plane was seen by Malaysian radar.

1:38 a.m.: Air traffic control in Ho Chi Minh City informs Kuala Lumpur air traffic control about the signal loss. Ho Chi Minh City asks two other planes to contact MH370. Neither plane is able to raise the pilot of MH370. At least one of the planes report getting a “buzz signal” and no voices, then losing the signal.

2:15 a.m.: Malaysian military defense radar picks up traces of the plane hundreds of miles west of MH370’s last contact point. The plane crosses over the Peninsular Malaysia and into the Strait of Malacca. The Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that the flight path was “consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.”

Following hours: In the hours after contact was lost MH370 "pings" a satellite several times. It's not clear if those pings include data that could reveal the plane's location. The Malaysian prime minister said Saturday that the satellite data revealed that the plane flew for approximately seven more hours after dropping off of radar.

6:32 a.m.: A broadcast call was made from Kuala Lumpur's air traffic control on emergency frequencies asking MH370 to call them.

6:51 a.m.: A broadcast call was made from Ho Chi Minh City's air traffic control on emergency frequencies asking MH370 to call them.

8:11 a.m.: The fight makes its last communication with a satellite seven hours and 31 minutes after taking off. Due to the amount of time the plane was in the air, officials are now searching an expansive region covering 5,000 miles from Kazakhstan to the South Indian Ocean

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Postby CRamS » 16 Mar 2014 06:32

Guys, take it for its worth. Some mouthpieces on CNN (now they are getting boring with repeating the same crap and somehow filling up time) made the following observations:

1. India TSP equal equal: India snoops on TSP and TSP snoops on India, and China snoops on India, but not the other way around
2. Paraphrasing, but Indian air defenses turn on when IAF perceives a threat, they are not on all the time. And the plane could have flown over Indian air space undetected.

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Mar 2014 06:34

Malaysian military radar showed the plane climbing to 45,000 feet -- which is above its approved altitude limit -- soon after disappearing from civilian radar screens and then dropping to 23,000 feet before climbing again, the official said.


Oh! It was at the very beginning! Much clearer now. Then it happened just as the hijacking was in progress? A battle for the controls? Pilot tried the standard sharp up-down to send anyone not sitting down, bouncing off the ceiling and floor. Poor guy. Didn't work. The hijackers killed him, grabbed the controls, and pulled back with all their might.

So... who shut off the ACARS? Clearly not the Pilot in Command at the time?

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Postby Singha » 16 Mar 2014 06:39

Atc Chennai and Kolkata radars have small bubbles.
if the military does not cover the huge gaps along the coast on its own, there are barn doors 100s of km wide to waltz through.
hope our mainland units don't shut radars at night!

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Postby vasu raya » 16 Mar 2014 06:42

A_Gupta wrote:1:38 a.m.: Air traffic control in Ho Chi Minh City informs Kuala Lumpur air traffic control about the signal loss. Ho Chi Minh City asks two other planes to contact MH370. Neither plane is able to raise the pilot of MH370. At least one of the planes report getting a “buzz signal” and no voices, then losing the signal.


Does this suggest use of a Jammer? before hijacking ensued and sensing trouble the pilots diverted to Penang which is when the physical takeover of the cockpit started happening

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Postby ramana » 16 Mar 2014 06:44

A_Gupta, Thanks for time-line and passenger list.

We also need cargo manifest.

Shreeman, Strobe is a plugged in insider. Also read the tea leaves that NDA will come back to power. So he is signaling massa had no hand in this.

I thought you are more clued in what with NSN etc.
Stay with the program. We need all hands on deck.

All put a filter on CNN's reporting. Filter should be Indian interests. Things will get clear.

Four days before Strobe we had first discussion of possible Indian target.
Some one on twitter thought I was jumping to conclusions.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 06:50

UlanBatori wrote:Also, I CLEARLY remember that the very first "missing" report said the plane had 7.5 hours of fuel left when it disappeared from ATC radar. Now they are saying it must have flown for 8 to 8.5hrs. Can't understand why they changed it. (As advertised, I believe the very first reports because they have no spin)

This March 15 Huffington Post story says "5 hours 50 minutes for the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing plus some reserve".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/1 ... 69855.html

Elsewhere, "aviation fuel expert Chris Yates" is quoted as saying not more fuel than one hour beyond Beijing.

Here is CBC,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-a ... -1.2574012

Airline officials have said the plane had enough fuel to fly for up to about eight hours.


which I translate to meaning "Kuala Lumpur to Beijing plus 2 hours".

So 7.5 hours is probably the upper range.

8-8.5 hours must be MSM nonsense.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 06:54

The New York Times is very cautious about the plane's alleged dive; this from March 14
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world ... radar.html

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show that the missing airliner climbed to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and turned sharply to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, showed that the plane then descended unevenly to 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang.

There, officials believe, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that showed it descended 40,000 feet in the span of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would most likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.

“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines, one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”


About the Malaysian radar data:

Still, Ravi Madavaram, an aerospace engineer at the consulting firm Frost & Sullivan, based in Kuala Lumpur, said the accuracy of ground-based radars in determining a plane’s altitude diminishes the farther away the plane is. When Flight 370 lost contact with ground controllers, it was more than 100 miles from Kota Bharu and 200 miles from Butterworth, distances that he said could degrade accuracy.


The engine data is apparently what shows that devastating dive. The radar data seems to show ascent to 45,000 feet, but whether that steep dive took place is not clear.

PS: Similarly, NYT March 11 casts doubt:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world ... mh370.html
The Malaysian military has not described its radars’ capabilities, so if the plane were recorded at 45,000 feet, what is the range of uncertainty in that measurement?
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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Mar 2014 06:58

See... this does not make sense.

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that showed it descended 40,000 feet in the span of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would most likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.

“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines, one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”


My question is: How did they get any engine data at all, since the ACARS was shut off before the plane reached the Malaysian coast at all (which precedes the disappearance).

The 7.5 hours comes from the FIRST report. I posted that in this thread, still seen at Al Jazeera. The report came 12 hours after disappearance.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 07:18

^^^^ Been trying to find that out. Remember, all of these things were unauthorized leaks - maybe they were simply wrong.

An unpleasant possibility comes to mind though. The plane made an ascent to its rated ceiling (or higher?), after it turned from its scheduled course. If this was done under human direction, why?

Maybe whoever was piloting the plane donned oxygen masks, took the plane up, and asphyxiated the 239 passengers. The fastest way to get rid of them?

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Postby Shreeman » 16 Mar 2014 07:19

ramana wrote:...
Shreeman, Strobe is a plugged in insider. Also read the tea leaves that NDA will come back to power. So he is signaling massa had no hand in this.
I thought you are more clued in what with NSN etc.
Stay with the program. We need all hands on deck.
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Ramana:

There was a time for Strobe. Not so sure about him now, and not sure about jumping then gun on twitter. Smells of wanting to be relevant. But I might be wrong.

Re. clued-in: there too, there was a time. Most recently, the new-format cricket match is more visible/relevant than politics. Hakim understands.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 07:21

If you believe the Malaysians, there is no Rolls Royce data that could show any kind of plane descent.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/catego ... ta-report/

What we have is only the pings from the aircraft to the satellite monitors.

PS: I think it was the Wall Street Journal that first claimed that engine performance data continued being beamed to the satellite; but apparently they later retracted that claim.
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Postby saip » 16 Mar 2014 07:21

To shut the ACARS one has to open a panel using special tools and descend a few steps to reach the circuit panels. Even some pilots r saying they wont be able to do it without consulting some checklist and would take some time. So it is probable the senior pilot went down himself and did it and that way it would not be anything unusual. May be he taught himself how to do it. Surprising thing is that the Malayasians took so long to search the pilots homes.

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Postby Philip » 16 Mar 2014 07:29

What is the regular flight path from Spore,KL,Thailand to Central Asia? the MH flight could've joined this flight path so as not to light up mil. defences of the countries that it was overflying.At least there is now some faint hope for the survival of some of the passengers.It might explain why some cell phones were still working.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 07:31

Here:
http://devel.malaysiandigest.com/news/4 ... hours.html

THE Wall Street Journal has issued a correction on its earlier article alleging that Malaysia Airlines’ missing jetliner had flown for hours after losing vanishing off the grid early Saturday morning.

According to The Washington Post, the Journal’s corrected story sticks with by its claim that the plane continued flying “but bails out on how investigators reached that conclusion”.

WSJ’s original story reported that investigators had secured data — sent every half an hour to the ground — from the Rolls Royce engines on the Boeing 777, although Malaysian authorities said no engine data was received after 1.07am on Saturday.

The data, according to Malaysian officials, yielded no conclusion that the flight had continued for four hours as reported by WSJ.

The Post went on to cite a statement from WSJ spokesman Colleen Schwartz to the paper that read: ”The Wall Street Journal confirms its report that US investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for up to four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location. The Journal has since learned, however, that this belief is based on an analysis of signals sent through the Boeing 777’s satellite-communication link, and not from data sent by the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines to Rolls Royce, as was earlier incorrectly reported. Our report has been corrected.”


Here is the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/eri ... nes-story/

and the WSJ itself (scroll to the bottom)
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... reno64-wsj

(emphasis added)
Corrections & Amplifications
U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article and an accompanying graphic incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process.


PS: so let us discount the alleged steep dive that the plane supposedly took.
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Postby vasu raya » 16 Mar 2014 07:32

From this,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Was-Flight-370-hijacked-for-9/11-type-attack-in-India/articleshow/32106334.cms

Initially they suspected the likely target to be USN,

According to a person who has been briefed on the progress of the investigation, the two "corridors" described by Mr. Najib were derived from calculations made by engineers from the satellite communications company Inmarsat, which were provided to investigators. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because details of the search operation remain confidential.

But based on what is already known about the flight's trajectory, investigators are strongly favouring the southern corridor as the likely flight path, the person said. "The US Navy would not be heading toward Kazakhstan," the person said.

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Postby Singha » 16 Mar 2014 07:36

Spotlight is back on cheen because it could not have crossed the indo pak border easily. Cheen is quiet last two days.

Imo they are as Nanga in Tibet as we are in Deccan, during peacetime. With mig25 retirement we are not even making the occasional darting run to keep them interested, and with mms at helm....no worries there lol.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 07:54

For information's sake, some discussion of communications:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... ng/284414/

PS: what the Malaysian PM's statement actually contained:

According to the new data, the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11 a.m. Malaysian time on Saturday 8th March. The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact.


The plane took off 12:41 am so that makes for a confirmed total flight of 7.5 hours.

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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 08:15

The next round of (mis)info?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-1 ... erted.html

Satellite transmission data analyzed by U.S. investigators showed that the Malaysian Airline (MAS) System Bhd. jetliner’s most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,000 miles (1,609 kilometers) west of Perth, Australia, said two people in the U.S. government who are familiar with the readings.


Mark Dodd, a spokesman for the Australian Defense Ministry, said he hadn’t heard of any trace of the aircraft being picked up by his nation. Australia’s network includes a long-range radar system capable of detecting air targets as small as the BAE Systems Hawk, a single-engine, two-seat jet.

A base station in Laverton, Western Australia state, has a range of about 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles) covering most of the ocean south of Java and west from Perth, he said.

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Postby Shreeman » 16 Mar 2014 08:29

A_Gupta wrote:The next round of (mis)info?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-1 ... erted.html



One imagines this will drive some of the rescue parties insane. They are throwing up theories fastter than UB!

I bet whoever was involved (if its not an accident) is beginning to regret the whole thing. Clouseau couldnt investigate this any better.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby ramana » 16 Mar 2014 08:32

The odd thing is this event defies root cause analysis(RCA) as we don't know the telemetry from the aircraft after the time-line. Until the a/c recorder is found and even then its what US says as only they have the flight recorder decoding capability.


Hence postulating the different scenarios which fit the signature and threat perception. Unless Malaysia comes up with more real data about the passengers and flight crew it becomes difficult to arrive at a conclusion.

But depend on it. Some one somewhere knows what happened and is watching to see the reactions.

So far following scenarios fit the signature: Turning off transponders and ACARs, flying low to avoid radar.
- Flight crew suicide
- Strike at India
- Strike at Diego Garcia
- Embarrass Malaysia for indicting the minister
Discounting the Kazakhstan flight as USN is not chasing mirages among the Cossacks!!!
What else?

Shreeman, Strobe talbott is head of Brookings Institute which is Democratic Party think tank. He still has lot of credibility among desi folks in Delhi.He tweeted as he wants to make sure his signal is noticed among the noise.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Prem » 16 Mar 2014 09:16

I feel bad for passangers who perished at the hands of these religious mass murdering Yahoos.

If the plane is under water near Australia, then these guys must have parachuted out and escaped on boat waiting for them. They must have sent or received some kind of GPS signal for pick up to their Paki comrades.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby shiv » 16 Mar 2014 09:27

Well now we have

Cheen information: rubbish
Malaysian information: misleading/incompetent
US information: unhelpful and useless

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby ldev » 16 Mar 2014 09:30

India puts on hold search for missing plane: Officials

India had been combing two areas, one around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and a second, further west, in the Bay of Bengal. Both operations have been suspended, but may yet resume, defence officials said.

"It's more of a pause," said Commander Babu, a spokesman for the country's Eastern Naval Command.

"The Malaysian authorities are reassessing the situation. They will figure whether they need to shift the area of search."

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Mar 2014 09:31

^^^^ dunno. I can think of reasons for the plane to head north; only one implausible one for the plane to head south. The US is insisting the plane headed south.

Of course, all this is assuming that the people who diverted the plane were rational and remained rational. If they were crazy or flipped their lids midway in the operation, then we can't expect anything to have an explanation, I suppose.


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