Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Apr 2014 08:05

Whythe :(( and :evil: about the Last Communication? What is the difference between the two versions? The real question is whether there were 2 more words at the end, hain?

Other than covering up the fact that nothing has come out of the latest iteration of The Search. They should put PB-ul-Manhattani with one of those SonoBoys to search the cavities of the Indian Ocean.
BTW, how do they know that the dead jellyfish, eels etc did not come from plane's galley? Given where it was going, exactly what was the dinner menu I wonder.. (sorry!!!!)

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20326
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Philip » 01 Apr 2014 08:34

"The Last Supper",Yeah.

Apologies to the families concerned,for being so flippant,but it appears that the truth is not outing from the Malaysians and others in the know.Is there anything that they've said so far one can believe?

There's huge difference in "Goodnight ,Malaysian 370" and "Goodnight Malaysian 370",by the insertion or lack of a sim0le comma! The latter version could be actually a final "goodbye" from a suspected hijacker/crew member.

Oldtimers will remember a film in the late "60s (?) about a plane in which the passengers and crew were taken ill eating contaminated food (fish),and a passenger who knew how to fly a light aircraft and a stewardess saved the day.

habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6821
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby habal » 01 Apr 2014 09:11

What are they going to do with the hostages now that one of them has compromised the entire gameplan ? Hopefully the hostages can make it out safe.

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Singha » 01 Apr 2014 09:22

due to counter clockwise rotation of indian ocean gyre and three weeks passed...

if it crashed near maldives, diego...debris will reach australia soon - this will satisfy the southern arc search party
if it crashed near australia...debris will reach diego, mauritius and maldives soon...this will satisfy the CT crowd

it might even be carried by the SW moonsoon to the coast of india this summer....northern arc theory

so evidence will be found to satisfy all theories.

Shreeman
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3762
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 15:31
Location: bositiveneuj.blogspot.com
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Shreeman » 01 Apr 2014 09:48

Courtesy of daily fail: we had this. And the blame/lost time game is on as well. So down for the count are,

- Malaysia
- Boeing

But they didnt really have a choice once MH370 disappeared. Want to stay in the business, take care of bad things when they happen. Now, why the following joined in is beyond me:

- china: nude. unable to do anything but bully phillipines. all the satterites, and 2 il-76 and xx ships wont do jack. why are their long range aircraft, and subnmarines not venturing out? Good only for taking pictures? Shouting at malaysia wont find the plane. they could have easily appeared generous and cooperative in public.

- australia: ridiculous. Perth or no perth, why did they have to expose their undergarments so badly? Australian politicians have not come off looking any better than malaysians, rather worse. did they really need a PM to comment? shout over every dead jelly fish?

- technology: $10 flight tracking, 1kmph towed ping detector after three weeks? hazy satellite photos?

- media: 4 weeks. Isnt it time to let it go?

What was the point of this exercise and who stands to gain from this? Why has this not fallen from news? Did I miss something?

JE Menon
Forum Moderator
Posts: 7031
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby JE Menon » 01 Apr 2014 10:44

vsunder wrote:The forum moderator who signs off as Shri Olaf Biglund please do allow the liberty
of these very serious posts, after all the rest of the world is even more "selious"( sic).

...


It appears moderators have taken a seat to the rear of the cabin on this one...

More seriously, it only appears a matter of time before the Scandinavians get involved. On one online discussion forum, a certain Bjorn Biglund has indicated that a Norwegian expert on disappearing passenger aircraft widely known in the industry, Dr. Sven Smalgand, will be conducting a parallel investigation based out of Sri Lanka... he will be using the services of school-children at an ad hoc beachfront facility he plans to set up with finances from the estate of the late Arthur C. Clarke, whose inheritors had kindly allowed Smalgand to, as they put it in a statement "carry on the good work of Mr. Clarke in investigating extraordinary science". Dr. Smalgand has pointed out that school-going children "have keener lateral thinking abilities, yes, and you know, there will be plenty of room for that during my investigation"...

In his spare time, Smalgand expects to spend some time negotiating "any more peace that could be possible" between the remnants of the Tamil insurgency and the Sri Lankan government...

sattili
BRFite
Posts: 162
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby sattili » 01 Apr 2014 11:28

Malaysian jet search concludes
https://in.news.yahoo.com/malaysian-jet-search-concludes-182803323.html
Perth, March 31 (IANS) Nothing related to the missing Malaysian jetliner was retrieved Monday as a multilateral air and sea hunt for MH370 concluded in waters about 1,850 km west of Perth.

All aircraft have returned to Perth with nothing significant to report, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA), which oversees the search, said on Twitter, Xinhua reported.

The three-week scouring for trace of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has turned out sightings of hundreds of floating objects from satellites and aircraft, but none has been confirmed as the debris of MH370.

The AMSA Friday shifted the search area about 1,100 km to the northeast based on analysis of satellite and radar data.

The new area is about 319,000 sq km with a depth ranging from 2,000 metres to 4,000 metres.

So that's it?
Or is this a sick April 1st joke played by the news media.

krishnan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7342
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 12:58
Location: 13° 04' N , 80° 17' E

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby krishnan » 01 Apr 2014 12:50

dont think they will play april fool joke here, too sensitive

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11636
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Apr 2014 14:12

Apparently, the Malaysians did not even get the last words from the airplane correct.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/01/world/asi ... nes-plane/

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 01 Apr 2014 17:43

http://www.scribd.com/doc/215667016/Aud ... BIT#page=2

Has the times at which the airplane climbed. These would the times at which the \del(r)/\del(t) would be nonzero and there would be doppler shift due to that upward velocity.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Apr 2014 19:35

Confucius say:

Higher-order theory no better than zeroth-order theory if assumptions are pakistan


Will be reviewed if no results

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 01 Apr 2014 22:22

That seems like a reasonable posture. Although coupled with UKAAIB's unwillingness to come in front of the relatives of the pax - it suggests that neither UKAAIB/Inmarsat nor AMSA completely believes the idea of a southern flight. The Malay Prime Minister's statement was premature.

Shreeman
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3762
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 15:31
Location: bositiveneuj.blogspot.com
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Shreeman » 02 Apr 2014 02:45


ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 53894
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby ramana » 02 Apr 2014 03:04

Maybe the MH-370 never took off and all this was to gauge the emergency/SAR response in Asia and Australia!

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Apr 2014 05:46

I thought of that too, but the grief of the relatives has to be explained then, incl. ppl who have nothing to do with either Malaysia or Pee All See. That's the trouble with all CTs that involve plane returning to base, not taking off etc etc. At this stage, any CT that suggests passengers alive, is waaaay too cruel to the relatives who may see this post. But I don't believe the plane is where they are searching. That whole thing got directed and redirected to ensure total failure in a way that the crime can never be found out.

Bob V
BRFite
Posts: 388
Joined: 26 Jul 2009 04:29
Location: Out at the sea
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Bob V » 02 Apr 2014 09:04

One of the comments in this article.

The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6821
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby habal » 02 Apr 2014 09:40

The CIA base in Australia knows what happened to the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane, says a prominent analyst.

“The CIA base in Alice Springs, Australia, knows precisely what happened to that plane,” said Kevin Barrett in a Press TV interview on Monday, pointing to the base’s access to military radar and satellite coverage in the area.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/01 ... sia-plane/

This one says some factions leaked out the DG hostage text to the net. This CT says plane landed at DG, hostages disembarked and plane then flew to Israel or someplace in Mid-East for use as future false flag using Iran as bogey. This is why 2 passengers were portrayed as Iranian and photoshopped pics floated with same legs. Also to prevent takeover of Freescale Semiconductors by IBM. Freescale owned by Blackstone which is front company for western oligarchs. Phil Wood was basically doing cloud computing which would shift vital networking base to Beijing.

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/spe ... 033114.mp3

johneeG
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3473
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 12:47

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby johneeG » 02 Apr 2014 10:29

^^^
From the above link:
“We have so many parallels between this event and 9/11… So a lot of people are speculating that there was a 9/11-style plan and it may not have gone right,” he said.


He also says that

The American writer added that "the plane turned and flew in a westerly direction and must have been under some kind of control and “yet there was no emergency code, there was no hijack code, nothing like that.”

“This is very, very strange,” Barrett said.

He also dismissed official suggestions that the plane had crashed during its flight, reasoning that “passengers’ cell phones were ringing out days after the plane disappeared, meaning that they were not under water and they were powered on.”


Link

'MH370: 9/11-style false flag gone awry?': Interview with Berett

Lilo wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:On Twitter:

Strobe Talbott ‏@strobetalbott 6h
Malaysian plane mystery: Direction, fuel load & range now lead some to suspect hijackers planned a 9/11-type attack on an Indian city.


Why not Diego Garcia?
Maybe a SAM from a ship or scrambled massa fighters from the zone destroyed the plane .
abhischekcc wrote:
This statement could be a warning, letting India and the rest of the world know who is behind this.


Link to posts

I think the theory is that there was remote hijacking i.e. hijacking through some remote(perhaps electronic/radio means) and it was supposed to be used as 9/11 type attack on Indian city(chennai and vishakapatnam are the major cities on the coast). But, some thing went wrong and the flight went to See Eye A base. That seems to be the theory being speculated.

member_20292
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2059
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby member_20292 » 02 Apr 2014 10:43

UlanBatori wrote:I thought of that too, but the grief of the relatives has to be explained then, incl. ppl who have nothing to do with either Malaysia or Pee All See. That's the trouble with all CTs that involve plane returning to base, not taking off etc etc. At this stage, any CT that suggests passengers alive, is waaaay too cruel to the relatives who may see this post. But I don't believe the plane is where they are searching. That whole thing got directed and redirected to ensure total failure in a way that the crime can never be found out.


In theory , it could have flown on correctly and in a 911 style attack, accidently flown into a remote Chinese mountain, while actually being highjacked to hit a Chinese city.

The CPC then snuffed out the news.
:eek: :eek:

habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6821
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby habal » 02 Apr 2014 10:47

Sarah Bajc?, Philip Wood's girlfriend was Managing Director of Tescom. Israeli Avionics Software company. Affiliated to IAI (Israel Aerospace Industries) and Rafael Aerospace, makes some avoinics suite for Sukhoi MiG 27, MiG 29, Jaguar, SU-30, F-16s, Israeli Drones etc. Was also advisor to US govt on technology previous to that. Ethinicity is Georgian. The 20 guys, freescale engineers, were not only travelling together, they were also taking along with them, the physical product, a microprocessor prototype which they were taking with them to Beijing to further productionize and mass-manufacture. Speculation also is that Sarah Bajc has certain well-wishers in certain agencies who helped leak out Philip Wood's message as a favor.
Last edited by habal on 02 Apr 2014 11:30, edited 1 time in total.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20326
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Philip » 02 Apr 2014 11:06

I asked at the start,what was the aircraft carrying, of great value? Two theories have emerged,a drone command console and the special chip along with the team of experts.Destination for both Beijing.Why the Malaysians haven't handed out the cargo manifest.Objective,stop the deal by any means.Perhaps the hijacking went awry,after DG. A cover-up was put in place,wild goose chases organised to confuse everyone until the cover-up details tallied,the real trail became too cold to detect,and the donkey's searching for the missing plane/debris were also led astray,with promises of carrots where sharks lurk. We can now simply sit back and wait for some "evidence" to wash up on Cottlesloe beach ,Perth,or Bondi Beach,perhaps floating under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.It may even end up in the other direction,Grand Baie Mauritius or even as far off as Madagascar!

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 02 Apr 2014 16:50

Dr. Duncan Steel claims to have a similar analysis as what is presented here (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507) and he feels that the northern route cannot be excluded based on the data presented by INMARSAT.

It could be that there is other data that excludes the northern route or there could be something wrong with the way the Doppler shift is being interpreted by people like us.

I think if one relaxes the assumption that the INMARSAT data is a direct reflection of the flight path, then one is left with nothing to base the intuition on.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Apr 2014 16:56

he feels that the northern route cannot be excluded based on the data presented by INMARSAT.


Nor the eastern or western, because the plane could have executed a spiral path around the center of the PakMarSat ground point.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11636
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Apr 2014 17:30

Either the plane carried something of value (hostages, the value of the plane itself, cargo, defense scientists with valuable secrets, etc.) or else the thing of value is **the method of the hijacking**.

I tend to think that if it is a hijacking, it is the latter. Imagine now the consequences, if someone has a foolproof method of diverting any Boeing 777 (and maybe Boeing 787s) at will.

PS: under the theory that a security hole that can be discovered by one can be discovered and remedied by another, the hijacker(s) would attempt to extort Boeing while they had exclusive knowledge of the security hole. If the newer Boeings can be hack-jacked, imagine the economic losses if most of the world's Boeing fleet had to be grounded while the security hole was found and fixed. The hijacker(s) would have no incentive to reveal publicly the fact of hackjacking, because once that was revealed and the Boeings were grounded, the damage would have been done and Boeing would have no incentive left to pay them off.

So now the question is for the forensic accountants - how does Boeing disguise a billion dollar payoff in its balance sheets? (How's that for a conspiracy theory?)

habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6821
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby habal » 02 Apr 2014 18:12

Philip Woods selfie CT, it would indicate that he had a black hood covering his head in a pitch black cell and his location from exif data of that pic would be 4 kms from DG airport. Now DG airport runway is also 4 kms long, so the plane could be hidden at the farthest end of that runway. And also there are underground hangars there that host B-52s so even a 777 could be hidden.

Then again CNN came in with the report today that the plane passed right besides DG so why couldn't they spot it. But CNN was more focussed on finding fault with the Indonesians and Indians on why they could not find a big commercial airplane with their surveillance systems in the region.

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 02 Apr 2014 19:00

A_Gupta wrote:Either the plane carried something of value (hostages, the value of the plane itself, cargo, defense scientists with valuable secrets, etc.) or else the thing of value is **the method of the hijacking**.

I tend to think that if it is a hijacking, it is the latter. Imagine now the consequences, if someone has a foolproof method of diverting any Boeing 777 (and maybe Boeing 787s) at will.

PS: under the theory that a security hole that can be discovered by one can be discovered and remedied by another, the hijacker(s) would attempt to extort Boeing while they had exclusive knowledge of the security hole. If the newer Boeings can be hack-jacked, imagine the economic losses if most of the world's Boeing fleet had to be grounded while the security hole was found and fixed. The hijacker(s) would have no incentive to reveal publicly the fact of hackjacking, because once that was revealed and the Boeings were grounded, the damage would have been done and Boeing would have no incentive left to pay them off.

So now the question is for the forensic accountants - how does Boeing disguise a billion dollar payoff in its balance sheets? (How's that for a conspiracy theory?)


Actually this is a novel point I have not seen made elsewhere. It is still a CT, but a novel one.

The problem I am facing with the payoff related theories is that ultimately the payoff is large, then it is traceable as some state resource or the other is required to move the money. I feel one simply cannot move money on the 10-20 Million USD scale without setting off a financial tripwire somewhere. That event will be noticed by some state machinery and they will have approve it and that will give them leverage with the hackjackers.

The only place where money on that scale can change hands is a cryptocurrency fluctuation but I am not seeing that in any of the charts. Neither Bitcoin, nor Litecoin nor Dogecoin are showing anything out of the ordinary. Everything is flat. Either I am not looking for the right thing, or it is simply not there.

I suppose something could be changing hands via a derivatives market on cryptocurrency, but I don't know where to go looking for the options side of the cryptocurrency market and that has to be tiny volumes, nothing like what you would expect as payoff for a big job of the MH370 scale.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Apr 2014 20:10

Any announcements on freeing all remaining "guests" at Guantanamo?
Opposition leaders in M'sia?
End PLAF Security Zone? (Scratch that, I don't think anyone can threaten PRC with fewer than 1 billion hostages)
Payment can be in gold, hain? What does $1B weigh these days? Only 24 metric tons. One big container. Maybe not-so-big container, just heavy, because specific gravity of gold is 19350 kilograms per cubic meter. So you don't even need 2 cubic meters.
But if I were the govt being extorted, I would add a few isotopes to the gold. Maybe bury a transponder that beeps location.

Theo_Fidel

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Theo_Fidel » 02 Apr 2014 20:18

The northern route would imply a land crash. The ELT signal would give it away.
In the absence of ELT only option is deep ocean and quickly. No floating around, etc.

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 03 Apr 2014 01:14

With the proliferation of neutron activation analysis forensics, the likelihood of a criminal asking for payment in precious metals is low. The materials would be too easily traceable even if the weight issue was managed.

Gold futures or some derivative like that could be used, but again it is traceable and requires a certain amount of representation in the relevant trade bodies. That would make it traceable.

It used to be that one could ask for cash payments and launder them via underworld banking systems, but there is overhead cost there which one would pay to the people that move the money. Again post 9/11 this is all traceable.

That is why I was looking at cryptocurrency. There was a fluctuation in the LTC market BTC-E but that was attributed to the arrival of fresh mining resources. Beyond that there has not been a lot of sudden activity.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20326
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2014 14:52

Habal,CNN came in with the report that the aircraft passed DG? Amazing,how one of the world's most secret surveillance and commns. Nuclear weapons bases which houses B-52 strat. bombers,B-2 stealth bombers et al,wasn't able to detect the "incoming" bird!

Then nothing more need be said,apart from the fact that it underscores the suspicion that the whole episode is a massive covert op,that perhaps went wrong and has been covered up.

member_28539
BRFite
Posts: 136
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby member_28539 » 03 Apr 2014 15:40

Harpal Bector wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Either the plane carried something of value (hostages, the value of the plane itself, cargo, defense scientists with valuable secrets, etc.) or else the thing of value is **the method of the hijacking**.


So now the question is for the forensic accountants - how does Boeing disguise a billion dollar payoff in its balance sheets? (How's that for a conspiracy theory?)


Indeed Harpal Ji... the money could be easily hidden via a transaction/Donation to any church which in turn is fetched by church into a research or good old real-estate route to swidel the money at its required place. Just that the money will lose some value going by so many levels of transfers & time elapsed will also need to be taken into consideration.

But, it won't matter much as the money is going from one pocket to another.

Regards,
Joshi_Sa

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2014 15:57

how about if the payoff was in highest quality drugs? the culinary agencies through its "contacts" in central america and the golden crescent could easily arrange such a cargo and handover logistics.

drugs are compact, very high value/gm, hard to trace back to any seller , high demand provided one can move them into the right consumer markets and hook into street level retail entrepreneurs :)

they say 1kg of heroin is 150k street. so 6.6 tons of the stuff would compose a $1b shipment. one of the new ER bizjets could take off from site and fly nonstop 10,000 miles for handover.

8000 miles range this puppy has
http://businessaircraft.bombardier.com/ ... l8000.html

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Apr 2014 16:38

I think the payoff was in PeptoBismol. Takes a container, but the density is quite low, TOTALLY untraceable, and extremely high demand in Foggy Bottom where MANY Bottoms are "going" given the events in Putinstan, Berlin, Paris, London (talk about redundancy!), Warsaw, Kiev, Dilli (elekshun time), Islamagood (always!) etc.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13496
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Apr 2014 16:56

Revisiting UBCNews Refined Bayesian Monte Carlo-Schrodinger Al Faisalabadi Analysis (GUESS, for short):

1. Plane hit something sent up by Malay Govt/ relatives of ruling junta, with Phoren Collaborashun. Emergency turn with decompression as pilots passed out (mumbled response), dumped fuel, returned over Malaysian territory and crashed. No survivors, no large fire either (fuel dumped). Wreckage on govt. property or in area immediately sealed off by govt. Dug up and covered over. Total coverup since then.

Conceptual problem: a. INMARSAT claims identified transmission. Many hours later.
Solution: Someone programmed and sent out signals to indicate plane was still in the air. Over time, they refined their calculations to include Doppler Shift etc (not a big deal) with some random wind errors, to suggest that the plane may have gone on to the Antarctic. At this point, this CT explains all known facts. Things like "Malaysian MILITARY radar.." are explained by the word "MILITARY" which means under the thumb of the junta. Thai radar was I think on Thai produce, given that it was Friday night.


2. Plane was hijacked and taken over the Maldives, landed on a South Maldives islet (temporary airstrip), re-fuelled from stored fuel (container ship brought it), passengers and cargo offloaded and put on container ship, taken to Location XXX (the place is due east of Somalia, but that may just be the obvious red herring, it may have gone ANYWHERE). The CT on cellphone transmission, if true, may have been done by the hijackers (most probable) when around DG. Otherwise, only a gora IBM engineer being able to transmit (only musharraf wide enough to accommodate an iphone5??) is rather silly. Malaysian flight, plenty of orthodox Islamic wimmens on board, hiding phone inside burkha is a trivial exercise that is probably a daily routine. THEY would have called their relatives, friends etc with 1-touch calling.

INMARSAT signals true for the first part, spoofed using ground transmitter thereafter. Once the plane landed, they could simply unscrew the gizmo on the plane itself and play with it.

So where is the plane? Maybe rolled it off the runway into the sea? Or flew it to somewhere else with new paint job? Engines dismantled in Chop Shop and replaced with brand new ones, ACARS and all. Maybe the plane is inside a big underground hangar, being converted into something much worse.

Other CTs are simply not worth considering.

UBCNews: Only The Best.

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 03 Apr 2014 17:07

Singha wrote:how about if the payoff was in highest quality drugs? the culinary agencies through its "contacts" in central america and the golden crescent could easily arrange such a cargo and handover logistics.

drugs are compact, very high value/gm, hard to trace back to any seller , high demand provided one can move them into the right consumer markets and hook into street level retail entrepreneurs :)

they say 1kg of heroin is 150k street. so 6.6 tons of the stuff would compose a $1b shipment. one of the new ER bizjets could take off from site and fly nonstop 10,000 miles for handover.

8000 miles range this puppy has
http://businessaircraft.bombardier.com/ ... l8000.html


Yes one could do that, but then the hackjacker would have to make arrangements for moving large quantities of drugs on to the market and realizing the returns from such sales otherwise the drugs are useless. It quickly becomes a difficult logistical problem. The CIA could facilitate such a payment, but then hackjacker would have to receive the shipment somewhere and somehow transport it to an upstream drug trafficker (someone at cartel jefe level). The hackjacker would have to sell the shipment to the upstream trafficker, and accept payment in some currency. Additionally the hackjacker would need leverage to make sure that the upstream trafficker wouldn't just take the shipment and run. Even without the CIA running a recovery operation, this would require the hackjacker to be heavily plugged into the narco world to be able to engage in a such transaction with any degree of confidence. There is simply too much surveillance on such channels and you need to be someone big even to go and talk to a upstream trafficker. The hackjacker could take the shipment and go to a lower level trafficker - someone with more limited plaza rights - but then there will be a major spike in violence at neighboring plaza satraps challenge the situation. It would show up big time.

It doesn't have to be illicit drugs, you could do it with Pepto Bismol as our Mongolian friend suggests, but again, that is a lot of pepto bismol to move.

Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Harpal Bector » 03 Apr 2014 17:10

Joshi_Sa wrote:Indeed Harpal Ji... the money could be easily hidden via a transaction/Donation to any church which in turn is fetched by church into a research or good old real-estate route to swidel the money at its required place. Just that the money will lose some value going by so many levels of transfers & time elapsed will also need to be taken into consideration.

But, it won't matter much as the money is going from one pocket to another.

Regards,
Joshi_Sa


That transaction would be traceable. A hackjacker would want anonymity otherwise the entire enterprise will be very short lived.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20326
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2014 18:16

MH370 Diego Garcia Calls For Empty Cargo Ship For Travel And Relocation. Moving Bodies??
Wednesday, April 2, 2014

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 61392.html

*Check the link for the request details
OK, this is pretty creepy. Normally, Diego Garcia calling for an empty container ship

to move ammo, or whatever, wouldn’t be too alarming.

But notice the classification of the request.

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode ... e&_cview=0

I did some time in the Navy. The wording of the classification makes it sound like they will be transporting

people. Hmm.

Interesting to note, the Ocean Shield, a cargo ship, left port the 31st, the date of the request.

Ocean Shield tracking goes dark.

Edit to add: The TBD (To Be Determined) status on most of the details suggests this contract was done in haste.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20326
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2014 19:39

Even more Qs fired straight from the hip by the Malaysians,for the US to answer.Bio-weapons on board?


By Deborah Dupre (Reporter)
http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2 ... 66278.html
MH370 Hidden Agenda: US Military Tests, ‘Unforgivable,’ Malaysia PM Top Aide Says
Wednesday, April 2, 2014 13:02

Malaysia’s former Prime Minister top aide has exposed why the missing MH370 has not been found: The United States and allies were conducting two massive regional Search and Rescue military tests in which highly classified technology holds the key. The US, however, is refusing to help, partially because in its quest for Full Spectrum Dominance, it’s spying to learn what Chinese intel would provide. Furthermore, Diego Garcia is featured in this ”unforgivable” humanitarian crisis.

“I take comfort that my reservations about the US and its intelligence services as well as other intelligence services closely linked to the US, especially British secret service, have been more than vindicated by Reuters,” said Matthias Chang, a prominent Malaysian lawyer, author, and former Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad’s political secretary and adviser.

Malaysia: Victim whose plane MH 370 was used for hidden agenda

Reuters’ March 28 article, Geopolitical games handicap hunt for flight MH370, paved the way for Chang to provide more details about the search for MH370, that vanished March 8 over the South China Sea. Political analyst Don DeBar’s radio station CPR interviewed Chang, exposing even more of the sordid role the US has played in the missing MH370 Boeing and 239 people.

The search involves over two dozen countries and 60 aircraft and ships that Chang says are “bedevilled by regional rivalries.” Experts, officials, media – and thus the public - have criticized Malaysia. They say no real central coordination existed until Australia largely took charge last week. Part of the problem is that Asia has no NATO-style regional defence structure, Chang said.

“As mystery deepened regarding the missing Boeing 777 and its 239 passengers and crew, most of them Chinese, it became clear that highly classified military technology might hold the key,” Change stated on Global Research. “But the investigation became deadlocked over reluctance of others to share sensitive data, a reticence that appeared to harden as the search area widened.”

“This is turning into a spy novel,” said an envoy from a Southeast Asian country, noting it was turning attention to areas and techniques few countries liked to publicly discuss. Ultimately, however, the only country with technical resources to recover the plane – or at least its black box recorder, that could lie in water several miles deep – might be the United States, Chang says. Reluctance of Malaysia’s neighbors to release sensitive radar data might have obstructed the investigation for days, he says.

At an ambassadorial meeting in an airport hotel crisis center on March 16, Malaysia formally appealed to countries, asking them to reveal the jet’s possible path, a request met with “polite stonewalling.” Some countries even asked Malaysia to put its request in writing, triggering a flurry of diplomatic notes and high-level contacts. ‘It became a game of poker in which Malaysia handed out the cards at the table but couldn’t force others to show their hand,“ commented a person at the meeting.

In the northern Indian Ocean, Chinese forces operate alongside other nations to combat Somali piracy. Officials say all sides are almost certainly quietly spying on and monitoring each other at the same time. (emphasis added)

WantChinaTimes in Taiwan reported and Chang added bold emphasis in the following:

The United States has taken advantage of the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight to test capabilities of China’s satellites and judge the threat of Chinese missiles against its aircraft carriers. Erich Shih, chief reporter at Chinese-language military news monthly Defense International, said the US has more and better satellites but has not taken part in the search for flight MH370, that disappeared about an hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing early hours of March 8 with 239 people on board. Shih claimed the US held back because it wanted to see what information China’s satellites would provide.

“The above is the reality which we have to confront,” asserts Chang. “Therefore, desist any attempt to label the above mainstream media articles as a ‘conspiracy theory.’ Reuters has let the Genie out of the bottle!”

“Malaysia’s Minister of Transport Datuk Seri Hishammuddin gave hints of Malaysia’s difficulties (as his hands were tied by intelligence protocols and or refusal by the relevant foreign intelligence services and diplomatic reluctance) but media failed to appreciate the nuances of his statements by not directing their questions at the parties that have failed Malaysia as their neighbor and in their duties under various defence treaties and arrangements.”

Chang pleads: ”Malaysian media, please read at the minimum three times, the sentences in bold AND WAKE UP TO THE REALITY that our country has been badly treated, even though our country put all its national security cards on the table so that countries whose nationals are passengers on flight MH 370 could come forward with sincerity to assist in resolving this unfortunate tragedy which is not Malaysia’s making. Malaysia is but a victim of this tragedy whose plane, MH 370 was used for a hidden agenda for which only time will reveal.”

On March 27, Chang exposed how Israel is exploiting the missing MH370 crisis to create public opinion for a war against Iran, a Muslim country with close ties with Malaysia.

At the outset of the MH370 SAR Mission, each on the main team stated categorically that every scenario, no matter how unlikely, would be examined critically with no stones left unturned – terrorist hijacking, suicide mission, technical failures, inadequate security, criminal actions of the pilot and or co-pilot etc. Given this premise, families of MH370 passengers and crew have every right to ask the US and other countries with advanced technology questions, such as those below, asseerts Chang.

He adds that these questions should not be shot down by those with “a hidden agenda that such queries amount to ‘conspiracy theories’: “Far from being conspiracy theories, we assert that questions below and rationale for asking them are well founded and must be addressed by relevant parties,” also asserting that failing to answer them is inference showing ”they are complicit in the disappearance of MH 370.”

1) Was the plane ordered to turn back? If so, who ordered that?

2) Was the plane turned back manually or remotely?

3) If the latter, which country or countries have technologies to execute that operation?

4) Was MH370 weaponized before its flight to Beijing?

5) If so, what are likely methods for such a mission – biological weapons, dirty bombs?

6) Was Beijing / China the target? And if so, why?


7) Qui Bono?

8) The time sequence of countries identifying the alleged MH 370 debris in the Indian Ocean was first made by Australia followed by France, Thailand, Japan, and Britain via Immarsat. Why did US not offer any satellite intelligence until today?

9) Before the switch of focus to the Indian Ocean, was the SAR mission in the South China seas a cover for deployment of undersea equipment to track and monitor naval capabilities of all the nations’ navies competing for ownership of disputed territorial waters? Reuters as quoted above seems to have suggested such an outcome.

Diego Garcia

10) Why has no focus, especially by foreign mass media, been on intelligence and surveillance capabilities of Diego Garcia, the US strategic naval and air base?

11) Why were no questions asked whether the flight path of MH 370 (if it crashed in the Indian Ocean) was within geographical parameters of the Intelligence capabilities of Diego Garcia? Why were no planes deployed from Diego Garcia to intercept the “Unidentified” plane that obviously would pose a threat to the Diego Gracia military base?


12) Outdated capabilities of the Hexagon satellite system deployed by the US in the 1970s has a ground resolution of 0.6 meters and latest technologies boast the ability to identify objects much smaller in size. Why have such satellites not provided any images of alleged debris in the Indian Ocean? Were they deliberately withheld?

13) On April 6, 2012, the US launched a mission dubbed “NROL-25” (a spy satellite) from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The NROL-25 satellite was likely rigged with “synthetic aperture radar,” a system capable of observing targets around the globe in daylight and darkness, able to penetrate clouds and identify underground structures such as military bunkers.

(The Navy ha reported: “It will be used to produce high-resolution imagery of military and terrorist facilities around the world,” said Jeffrey Richelson, a space reconnaissance expert with the National Security Archive. Though true capabilities of the satellites are classified top-secret, some analysts claimed the technology allows authorities to zoom in on items as small as a human fist from hundreds of miles away.)

How could there no imagery of MH370 debris forwarded to Malaysia, as this capability is not classified though other technologies might well remain classified? (Slate.com) Answer: “We would like to keep our adversaries guessing on what our capabilities are,” stated Rick Oborn, a spokesman for the intelligence agency National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the U.S. government agency that oversees the nation’s satellites. (Navy statement)

14) Could it be that the above capabilities were not as touted?

15) In Dec. 2013, the USAtlas V rocket was launched carrying the spy satellite NROL-39 for the NRO, often overshadowed by the notorious National Security Agency (NSA), only it scoops data via spy satellites in outer space. The “NROL-39 emblem” is the Octopus — a versatile, adaptive, highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the US can be reached no matter where they choose to hide. The emblem boldly states, “Nothing is beyond our reach.”… tentacles of America’s World Octopus are spreading across the globe to coil around everything within their grasp, which is, well, everything (Voice of Moscow). Yet, the US with such capabilities remained silent. Why?

Paul
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3549
Joined: 25 Jun 1999 11:31
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Paul » 03 Apr 2014 19:43

Shih claimed the US held back because it wanted to see what information China’s satellites would provide.


This was speculated in BRF many days ago.

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2014 20:13

Rejoice heathens and keep quiet.

bartania trafalgar sub hms tireless has arrived to lead the search.


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bart S, saip, suryag, V_Raman and 67 guests