Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 19 Jun 2014 10:54

Agnimitra wrote:What is the origin of the "ram holding serpent" in the ISI logo above?

That is a Markhor, which is the National animal of Pakistan and which they are doing their best to exterminate within their territory. There is a common belief that they eat snakes and the name "mar khor" is itself a persian translation of "snake eater". See the wiki link I posted for details. Apparently, the drippings from chewing its cud are in great demand by people because it is believed to be an anti-venom.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 19 Jun 2014 12:05

Hey, is it just me or does the lower half of the snake in that logo have an Indian Tricolor scheme?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jun 2014 12:22

Agnimitra wrote:What is the origin of the "ram holding serpent" in the ISI logo above?

I thought it is a goat eating Chinese noodles. Maybe it is a play on the theme of "We will all eat grass"

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 19 Jun 2014 13:11

Poor Markhors must be wishing extinction than to be associated with ISI.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2014 14:08

Jhujar wrote:Track Too Or Thirkee Thoo
Relations with India — the next five years
The second and most extreme scenario is a conflict brewing in the subcontinent due to some crisis in India. The fact that leaders of militant outfits are roaming freely and setting foreign policy agenda for the government does not encourage many. Modi’s government walks a tight rope where it ought to appreciate the need to focus on improving communal relations in the country which militant non-state actors could manipulate to their advantage. All it needs is a few sparks for someone to light a fire out of it.

Interestingly, even Sidiqa Agha - a supposedly "sane" Pakistani is full of Paki thoughts in her head. She speaks of "leaders of militant outfits are roaming freely" and fails to point out that they are all Pakistani. There are no Indian militant outfits setting a foreign policy agenda and then as pointed out by Arun Gupta she believes that such groups will light a fire that will make Indians want to destroy India the way Pakis have destroyed Pakistan.

Forget about Hindus - Pakistan have always assumed that Indian Muslims will simply rise up and destroy their own lives and homes and businesses simply because Pakistanis have urged them to do that from 1947.

Agha worries that a spark may set off a fire between the two neighbours and I sincerely hope that any Indians in positions of power understand this statement. the statement is that Pakistanis who are out of control will continue to provoke at the border or in other parts. Pakis seem to be hoping that India simply continues to ignore this while mending relations with a broken and delusional state next door with no clear leadership or ambition other than to break apart.

If Paki groups provoke - India really should hit back. I suggest an artillery barrage to lay waste to anything within 15 km of the border. Let them pull out their forces from Waziristan and attack us then. War has been threatening to come from 2002 so if it comes, it comes.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2014 16:13

Anand K wrote:Hey, is it just me or does the lower half of the snake in that logo have an Indian Tricolor scheme?

One half of the snake (the bottom half) does have the Indian flag tri-colors. What about the second half? What do those colors represent? Time to open my handy dandy Encyclopedia-Al-Britannica.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2014 16:24

More on gullu's butt saga. Gullu's Butt thrashed on court premises

Gullu Butt, the baton-wielding man seen damaging vehicles in Lahore, fell unconscious on Thursday after being mobbed and assaulted in police custody by a crowd outside a Lahore court

Butt, also known as Sher-i-Lahore, came into the limelight after he was caught on cameras brazenly damaging several vehicles in the presence of police, during the clash between Pakistan Awami Tehreek workers and police in Lahore's Model Town on Tuesday

Police say he was kept at an undisclosed location for people might have attacked him in the lockup

Attacked and thrashed by PAT touts, I guess.

Added later: Apparently GB was beaten by pakjabi lawyers. Paki "civil society" has finally reached a point of no return.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 19 Jun 2014 16:27

The snake has white and blue of Israel, red white and blue of Amrika, and saffron white and green of India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2014 16:28

More pojitive news for bakistan. Coca-Cola plans expansion in Pakistan

Coca-Cola Co expects to start production in five new factories in Egypt and Pakistan over the next 18 months

three new plants open in the next 18 months in Karachi, Multan and Islamabad

That's right. Pakis need more sugar, caffeine, and narcotics.

vanand · Post by **vanand** » 19 Jun 2014 16:41

Nandu wrote:The snake has white and blue of Israel, red white and blue of Amrika, and saffron white and green of India.

what about Russia, the super power they defeated

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2014 17:13

MQM woman MNA shot at in Lahore

A member of the National Assembly (MNA) from Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) was shot at and injured by unidentified motorcyclists in Iqbal Town area in Lahore on Wednesday.

Begum Tahira Asif left her house in Wafaqi Colony along with her 20-year-old daughter on a car. Two masked men on a motorcycle chased and intercepted her car near Moon Market in Allama Iqbal Town. As she came out of the car, the culprits opened fire on her, wounding her critically. She was taken to a hospital for treatment, where her condition is reported to be critical.

The MNA received four bullets in her legs and ribs. According to doctors, dozens of blood bags were injected to her due to excessive bleeding after one of the bullets ruptured her main artery. Police did not register the case till the filing of this report.
The MNA’s husband, FIA Assistant Director Mian Asif, said that his wife had been receiving life threats for some time. He said they formally informed the former CCPO some four months back but police did not take any serious action.
Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has taken notice of the firing and sought report from the IG.

Is this some local dispute ?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jun 2014 17:22

Are there many Mohajirs in Lahore for Mqm to be present? Intresting, thee cultural capital of Pakjab.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2014 19:13

SSridhar wrote:MQM woman MNA shot at in Lahore
A member of the National Assembly (MNA) from Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) was shot at and injured by unidentified motorcyclists in Iqbal Town area in Lahore on Wednesday.....
Is this some local dispute ?

The MNA’s husband, FIA Assistant Director Mian Asif...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2014 19:17

Next stop - china. Exporting pakistaniyat

Persecuted Ahmadis seek shelter in China

Fleeing discrimination and violence, members of the Ahmadiyya community have abandoned their homes in Pakistan to find an unlikely refuge in China

He is one of hundreds of people who have sought asylum in China in recent years

The Ahmadi refugees in Sanhe said they paid middle-men up to $3,000 each for Chinese visas – more than twice the average yearly income in Pakistan.

How desperate does a paki have to be to seek asylum in china, hain?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 19 Jun 2014 19:37

anupmisra wrote:Next stop - china. Exporting pakistaniyat

Persecuted Ahmadis seek shelter in China

How desperate does a paki have to be to seek asylum in china, hain?

Wonder if they ever thought of getting back into Qadian region of Punjab. Now that would be interesting, to put it very mildly!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jun 2014 20:34

Jhujar wrote:Let them figure out for themselves that rope they are holding tight is the tail of Cobra while Mamba is smiling ,sliding slowly toward them and light they are seeing at the end of Tunnel is TTP Train.

Some one send this to Manjul or other cartoonists to convert it into an image.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2014 20:56

Thousands flee Pakistan's North Waziristan to escape ground offensive

More than 10,000 Pakistanis are fleeing to neighboring Afghanistan, and tens of thousands to Bannu, Pakistan. A ground offensive against the Pakistani Taliban is expected any day.

Some of the displaced people said the most feared militants had disappeared overnight as soon as the army offensive was announced.

"It's very strange that those Taliban considered as anti-state disappeared mysteriously, but security forces continued to conduct raids on our houses and harass innocent people," said bank manager Wali Khan, 47.

"Why didn't they come out of their walled (army) compounds when the Taliban fighters were still in the town?"

The army has launched daily air strikes in North Waziristan but a full-scale ground offensive has yet to start.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 19 Jun 2014 23:23

The Waziristan offensive have met its objective. See ya next time it is announced.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Jun 2014 02:49

shiv wrote: A much milder comment was not allowed - or maybe they will appear tomorrow because I can't believe that no one has commented yet.

As a test case, ~~somebody put a single word comment! and that seems to have appeared~~. Looks like it is gone but there are two comments there now both small two or three line comments one praising the article and another mildly critical. Looks they allowed two comments which are as worthless as the article itself.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Jun 2014 04:33

Federal government seeks extension for loan repayments

ISLAMABAD: In a move to transfer responsibility of retiring Rs2.6 trillion debt obtained for budget financing on the shoulders of next political setup, the federal government is seeking to extend the statutory deadline by another four years, to 2023.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jun 2014 08:58

http://tribune.com.pk/story/724417/paki ... fazlullah/

Pakistan seeks extradition of TTP supremo Mullah FazFazlullah from Afghanistan

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has sought extradition of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Mullah Fazlullah from Afghanistan and dismantlement of the militant outfit’s longstanding hideouts in Kunar and Nooristan provinces, The Express Tribune has learnt.But a government official familiar with the development told The Express Tribune that Pakistan had requested Karzai Administration to stop supporting the TTP and seek extradition of its fugitive chief, who is believed to be hiding in Afghanistan.The official, who asked to remain anonymous, said Pakistan had compelling evidence suggesting that Mullah Fazlullah and other TTP commanders were enjoying ‘patronage’ of Afghanistan’s intelligence agency.“Afghanistan’s support is very crucial for the success of operation in North Waziristan. They need to dismantle TTP’s sanctuaries on their soil. They must stop supporting Fazlullah,” said a security official.
During the weekly briefing at the Foreign office on Thursday, spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told reporters that Afghan authorities had assured their cooperation to Pakistan.It was decided that an Afghan delegation would also soon visit Islamabad to carry a special letter from President Karzai that would list some proposals and would also discuss future plans with Pakistani side.President Karzai also underscored the need to coordinate with the anti-terror war strategy with all key regional players, the statement said, adding: “the Afghan President also called for extra care to avoid civilian casualties during the war on terror.However, it was not clear whether the Karzai administration was willing to extradite Mullah Fazlullah and destroy TTP hideouts on the Afghan side.Afghan intelligence agency is believed to be providing refugee to TTP in an effort to use them as a bargaining chip with Pakistan over the issue of Afghan Taliban as well as Haqqani network, which allegedly has safe heavens in Waziristan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jun 2014 09:03

http://tribune.com.pk/story/724176/paki ... dp-figure/
Pakistan’s fudged GDP figure

( Baki DekhoDeDokuschmoneyBegonomy is between 180-185 Billion)

It seems fudging has become an official habituation. The PML-N government had no reasons to do wonders in its very first year. But it began with the fudging of GDP data by claiming over five per cent growth in the first quarter of 2013-14. . Deformation thus built into the series has been carried into the estimation of the annual number. A good and much-needed initiative lost credibility from day one.On the budgetary side, the fiscal deficit continues to be the Achilles’ heel. When the IMF is looking over the shoulder of the government, it becomes the centre point of policy. In the absence of meaningful tax reform and expenditure management, all kinds of tricks are played to show it at the targeted level. Shahbaz Rana has stolen the gimmickry of treating the Saudi grant and the other development expenditure in a way that scales down the fiscal deficit. What is more worrying, however, is the massive surplus imposed on the provincial budgets. In the last budget, this surplus was only Rs23 billion. The revised figure, not given in the budget, is around Rs200 billion. In the budget for 2014-15, the provincial surplus is pitched even higher at Rs289 billion. As the increase in the provincial share in the National Finance Commission resources is Rs218 billion, the practice means that the federal government will take back from the provinces more than what it gave as additionality. It works to cover up the federal government’s inability to restrain its current spending and development enthusiasm despite the devolution of most development activity to the provinces. Also, it enables continued bestowing of exemptions and exceptions in the tax structure to vested interests. For the provinces, this back-hand deal involves development expenditures lower than what they would have been. Social sector and agriculture, the sectors that relate to the poor most, fall wholly in the provincial domain.The icing on the fudged cake is the poverty data. Although Pakistan is seriously lagging behind on most MDG targets, the one related to reducing poverty to 13 per cent by 2015 was achieved in 2010-11! At least that is what the latest Economic Survey claims by estimating the headcount ratio at 12.4 per cent. At his post-budget press conference, the finance minister placed over 50 per cent of Pakistanis below the poverty line. He was referring to the $2 a day poverty estimates by the World Bank. Who does one believe? Kis ka yaqeen ki jeeaye kis ka na ki jeeaye (Who should be believe, who should we not believe).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jun 2014 10:47

Pashto Singer Shot Dead in Peshawar by gunmen - PTI

A popular woman Pashto singer has been shot dead by unidentified gunmen in northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar, capital of restive Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province.

Gulnar alias Muskan (38), was targeted by four gunmen in the upscale Gulburg area of the city on Wednesday. A police official said that four gunmen entered the house of the singer and shot her dead last evening.

The singer originally hailed from Par Hoti area of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Mardan district, but had settled in Peshawar.

Artists in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa are often targeted by the Taliban militants as well as relatives some of whom consider singing and dancing as against the family honour. Taliban consider music and dancing as anti-Islamic. They frequently attack music shops in the province and ask artists to stop singing. — PTI

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Jun 2014 10:56

Jhujar wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/724417/paki ... extradite-

All the while my kaffir brain kept thinking this is a search and replace operation.

Try this for effect:

Mullah Fazalluah > Hafeez Pig
Afghanistan > Pakistan
North Waziristan > PoK
TTP > LeT
Karzai > Nawaz Sharief
Pakistan > India

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 20 Jun 2014 12:37

Nine Year old Tortured by Tuition Teacher being late

Hamza said the teacher beat him and then asked her husband to hang him upside down from a ceiling fan. “I was crying and promising that I would never be late again but they kept beating me,” the nine-year-old said."

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Jun 2014 15:33

anupmisra wrote:More pojitive news for bakistan. Coca-Cola plans expansion in Pakistan

Coca-Cola Co expects to start production in five new factories in Egypt and Pakistan over the next 18 months
three new plants open in the next 18 months in Karachi, Multan and Islamabad
That's right. Pakis need more sugar, caffeine, and narcotics.

“We watch the needle in Pakistan and almost every month we red-line on what our capacity is,” Curt Ferguson said, adding that he expected sales growth of around 20 per cent in Pakistan this year. “We’re just scratching the surface there.”

Something is going on. Why are Pakistanis drinking more Coke?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Jun 2014 16:27

Your nextgen hybrid car will be purely Pakistani

Yet it won’t be a typical solar-driven car too. The next generation hybrid can consume an assortment of energies, some which you won’t even be able to name. Besides solar, the long list of its fuels includes kinetic, organic cell, pneumatic, magnetic generator and even external electrical or battery charging. The man behind the idea is no MIT-graduate but an engineer with no fancy degree or alumni. Aslam Azad has made his name in the field of air conditioning. Sans an elaborate marketing team, the Shaikhupura native has pioneered in designing and manufacturing of energy saving central heating system since 1997 using brand name ‘Economia’.

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Jun 2014 17:56

I must admit that I didn't read this in detail because it didn't look promising, but any guide to "global Jihadis" without mentioning pigLeTs including support extended to them by TSPA/ISI is not worth the piece of paper it is written on

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27930414

I don't understand why some pipsqueak rag tag Somali Islamic terrorist is a "global terrorist", while Hafeez pig who attacks India under the cover of nukes is not.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jun 2014 18:10

CRS, LeT, HuJI, JeM have all taken part in global jihad and BBC lists only 'Taliban'. What Taliban in Pakistan are they referring to? They seem to be thoroughly confused. Hafiz Saeed is a proclaimed terrorist and LeT is a proclaimed terrorist organization under UNSC's Taliban and Al Qaeda Sanction's Committee as it added both LeT & JuD on 10th Dec. 2008 after the 26/11 Mumbai attack to its list and declared Hafiz Saeed as their leader. The US has a USD 10 M bounty on Hafiz Saeed.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 20 Jun 2014 19:30

JE Menon wrote:What Pakistan needs is more Islam, not less.

+ 1. All Islam, all the time.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 20 Jun 2014 19:37

A_Gupta wrote:More pojitive news for bakistan. Coca-Cola plans expansion in Pakistan

Coca-Cola Co expects to start production in five new factories in Egypt and Pakistan over the next 18 months three new plants open in the next 18 months in Karachi, Multan and Islamabad

That's right. Pakis need more sugar, caffeine, and narcotics.

“We watch the needle in Pakistan and almost every month we red-line on what our capacity is,” Curt Ferguson said, adding that he expected sales growth of around 20 per cent in Pakistan this year. “We’re just scratching the surface there.”

Something is going on. Why are Pakistanis drinking more Coke?

Probably because the yindoo baniyas steal their water or maybe its a TFTA thing...

-M

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 20 Jun 2014 19:43

Peregrine wrote:Your nextgen hybrid car will be purely Pakistani
Yet it won’t be a typical solar-driven car too. The next generation hybrid can consume an assortment of energies, some which you won’t even be able to name. Besides solar, the long list of its fuels includes kinetic, organic cell, pneumatic, magnetic generator and even external electrical or battery charging. The man behind the idea is no MIT-graduate but an engineer with no fancy degree or alumni. Aslam Azad has made his name in the field of air conditioning. Sans an elaborate marketing team, the Shaikhupura native has pioneered in designing and manufacturing of energy saving central heating system since 1997 using brand name ‘Economia’.
Cheers

Economia really !!

Aslam Mia creates Econo Mia which runs with the help of Sooraj Mia

-M

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jun 2014 21:01

People - I am having some thoughts about this entire "Paki army action in Waziristan" matter. I am unable to put my finger on it but let me simply put my thoughts down here - maybe my thoughts will clear or someone else will see something.

It's like this:

The people of Waziristan have been living alongside the Taliban (in their villages) . They know that and they admit that.

So why didn't they run away?

Either
1. They had no specific problems having the Taliban there - the presence of the Taliban did not affect their lives greatly
or
2. There were some issues but they were under threat not to leave.

But if they were under threat, surely a few would have escaped and gone to Shitland authorities and the story of how much Waziris are suffering under the Taliban would have been out by now. So that is unlikely.

More likely that life was as expected with the Taliban living alongside.

Now the news says that thousands of Waziris are fleeing their homes in anticipation of a Paki ground offensive. Some people have even reported that the Taliban have disappeared but the villages are still being attacked by the Shitistan army/air force.

Why should Waziris, who were living alongside the Taliban want to flee if the Pakistan army is attacking in order to defeat/displace the Taliban?

The only reason I can think of is that living alongside the Taliban is not a threat, but an advancing Pakistani army puts Waziri lives at enough risk for them to want to leave their homes and go live as refugees in a camp. In other words it is the Pakistan army/air force offensive that is creating refugees, not the Taliban themselves.

Odd, isn't it?

I mean, for example, take a village where the Taliban were reported to have "disappeared overnight". Now why would anyone want to leave the village. Surely, they should stay on, now that the pesky Taliban are gone and welcome, as heroes, the gentle Pakistani army to come and occupy the area and never allow the Taliban to return.

Looks like that is not what is expected, and that is not what happens. The Pakistan army attacks with artillery and air force and destroys villages and resorts to scorched earth tactics. These are not the tactics of a force that is looking to stay. A force that is looking to stay would preserve infrastructure for their own use and strengthen defences. Scorched earth tactics are for forces that destroy everything because they are not planning to stay and they do not want the Taliban to come back and stay either.

i won't even bother to go into detail about how different Indian army methods are in insurgent ridden areas.

I suspect that the Pakistani army does not want direct contact with the Taliban because the ideological similarities would cause desertions and revolts in the Paki forces. They just do things from a distance- artillery, tanks and air bombardment.

is this sad? No. It's great news. It is a pointer to how successful the Paki will be in the long term.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Jun 2014 21:07

Hakim sahib,
great post.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Jun 2014 21:20

majorlyp wrote:How do I get into India-Pak track 2? Apparently the job entails going to nice places and not doing anything. I would love to contribute.

Ramesh · Post by **Ramesh** » 20 Jun 2014 21:30

^ Hakim saheb,
Look at this from point of view of Jihad fistula army.... Once they reach there they will be looking for maal-e-ganimat. Now talibs have only goats, they have taken nanhas with them. So only wimen left and guess which women were left?
The brave army has to show some bodies when the ground fighting starts.. With the talibs gone, guess who is left to be the part of line up of bodies...

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 20 Jun 2014 21:33

Shiv
I am no expert on Pakistani affairs. As you rightly said they didnt seem to have any problem living with Talibans by their side. That leaves us with only one conclusion. That the news reports of Waziristani folks leaving in droves must be false. Or the impending army action is a non starter. With such experience as I have of the media this is entirely possible.
Nandakumar

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 20 Jun 2014 21:45

shiv wrote:People - I am having some thoughts about this entire "Paki army action in Waziristan" matter. I am unable to put my finger on it but let me simply put my thoughts down here - maybe my thoughts will clear or someone else will see something.

It's like this:

The people of Waziristan have been living alongside the Taliban (in their villages) . They know that and they admit that.

So why didn't they run away?

Either
1. They had no specific problems having the Taliban there - the presence of the Taliban did not affect their lives greatly
or
2. There were some issues but they were under threat not to leave.

.

There's an old video on youtube where a gora sahib visits Waziristan and talks to the locals. He asks the very question you are asking. "Are you afraid of telebunnies ? " and the overwhelming answer was "No. Why should we be ? They are the same people who grew up here. They are locals". So it is (1), they had no problems with taliban. And the refugee crisis / displacement is because of TSPA carpet bombing the area.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 20 Jun 2014 23:50

Blast at Islamabad shrine wounds at least 39

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jun 2014 23:56

Why is Pakistan all self righteous and asking for Fazlullahs extradition? Did they extradite mullah Omar or OBL?